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Carlos Delgado has struck out in all five at-bats since returning to action on Monday.
He has one hit in 11 at-bats during four games this spring.
…i have no idea how to evaluate him…again, like most of last year, he still looks over-matched on inside fastballs…for all the talk from him and the team about self-realization, evolving, adjusting his swing, etc, he still looks like the same delgado who hit .258 last season…
Willie Randolph told reporters after yesterday’s game that it is still too early to be concerned with Delgado, “There’s a lot of guys who aren’t real good spring-training players, and he’s one of those guys.”
…this is true…to his credit, he is still working his way back from the hip situation that sidelined him a bit last year, and for several games this spring…but, is that the problem…
…is he too brittle to allow himself time to get in a groove…if he’s always returning from injury, will he ever allow himself the chance to adjust…that’s my fear, at this point…i’m comfortable with the idea of delgado batting fifth, hitting around .270 and knocking 25 home runs or so…i actually think that stat line will be more than fine, assuming every one else is doing their job…
…however, if he’s in a perpetual state of recovery, i worry he’ll be unable to hit even that well…
In an effort to acquire a temporary replacement for Moises Alou, and a back-up first baseman to Delgado, Jeff Moore at Dugout Central suggests the Mets trade RHP Ambiorix Burgos, 2B Ruben Gotay and RHP Robert Parnell to the Orioles for 1B-OF Kevin Millar and OF Jay Payton.
that trade is insane.
Agreed. Forget that trade. As for when to worry about Delgado… as my Dad always says: No time like the present!
Thirded. That trade is a joke. We’re gonna trade a flamethrowing reliever, a very solid infielder, and a pitching prospect for washed-up Kevin Millar and never-good Jay Payton? Pure insanity. Much better to do the Jorge Sosa-Marcus Thames deal, since Thames can play OF and 1B, and hits righthanded with a little power.
i agree that the trade is a bit of a reach.
but “a very solid infielder”??? come one!
gotay has been serviceable at the plate and barely marginal in the field. they’re always talking about his lack of range at second
Why would anyone trade for a pitcher slated to miss the entire season?
Hey, Jim Carrey sold a dead parakeet with no head to a blind kid in Dumb and Dumber…
will the orioles make such a trade…i think we are panicking…but…as a mets fan this is a familiar feeling…
Jay Payton and Kevin Millar? *Grabs a paper bag to vomit in*
Pass
We certainly have huge concerns right now with Alou, Delgado, and El Duque, but Millar and Payton would add nothing to the team, I too would rather ride out the youth and see what they can do, more upside and risk, but this game is a gamble. I would even prefer the Coco deal, as he is still only like 27 and has potential to improve, is a great glove, and can bat at top or bottom of the order.
Yup. No more old hurt guys please.
Ugh. That trade is awful. First of all, no one is going to trade for Burgos since he’s fresh off of TJ surgery. Second, been there done that with Payton. He’s a little bit of a whiner, has an average bat, and has poor instincts in the OF and on the basepaths.
Payton is also 35 and last year had a lower OPS+ than Pagan.
delgado is done. he is mo vaughnn at a lower weight. his bat is insane slow. he is done.
the problem is the mets are forced to let this disaster play out until july. and their are no good replacement options.
his perfromance could literally torpedo ‘08.
Yes! I agree 100%. I heard that Nick Johnson might be up for grabs. What do you all think about that?
How bad do you expect it to be? I would think at worst .250 with 25 HR. That will not kill our season.
i think the 25 dingers may be a bit of a stretch, take it tho
Ahh…the post I’ve been waiting for….
Matt….dude…..280 and 25?!?….Thats laughable. DelCrapo is done in more than just the ‘not able to perform the way he used to’ kinda way. He. Is. FINISHED. Look at him. Hes a shell of what he was(not in appearance that much maybe, but his body is breaking down physically). I’m not gonna point an accusitory finger, cause you’re innocent until proven guilty, but you all know what I’m getting at. Plus it may just legitimately be that time has caught up with him. Irrevelant either way. Every other issue this team has is addressable. Omar has re-proven himself to me with his quality off-season. I really dont know what we are gonna do if our 5-6 hitter cannot hit the damn ball into fair territory or field his position, or even stay healthy to provide a power pinch hitter off the bench at the bargain cost of $10 Mil. He scares me, and to make matters worse I really dont think he cares anymore. Maybe I’m wrong. I pray I’m wrong. I’ll take a strictly defensive 1st baseman over DearGODo right now. He will be a cancer for this team….
Have you looked at his 2nd half stats last season? Or if you take out April of last season? His numbers were right at his career averages.
I have looked at HIM with my own two eyes. C’MON dude. I am REALLY trying to be objective. The common sentiment(and the reality) is that he cannot hit (high) fastballs anymore. You have to know that in MLB when you have a weakness that you cannot address everyone and their mother is gonna keep working that angle over and over again until you prove you have adjusted. Does it look to you he has? At ALL? You do not regain the ability to hit high fastball. It just does not happen. Pitchers that used to be flame throwers can adapt, like Pedro. Power hitters that cant get around on the pitch that used to be their bread and butter are useless. Mind you, the word ‘defense’ wasn’t even part of this argument.
well, the adjustment first (that he seemed to improve on last year) was to not swing at the high FB in the first place! If they want to keep throwing pitches out of the zone, keep walking. A nice .400+ OBP will help the team too.
Delgado is toast, nice guy, gave us many solid games over the years, but I expect him to hit around .240 this year, with about 20 homeruns if he played the majority of the season, and a ton of strikeouts…it’s going to get ugly for him at Shea unless he’s either hurt for most of the time or we make a trade. He cannot seem to lay off anything low and inside, and he was swinging at absolute unhittable crap, over and over again…as a Mets fan, I really hope I’m wrong, and I’d love for him to put up a great year, but I’m very, very doubtful.
The irony this year is that our offense could be the problem – outside of Reyes and Wright, I don’t see many guys I can feel comfortable relying on for consistent offense…Beltran is streaky, and everyone else is either unproven (Church, he had a solid year last season, but until he does it in NY, he’s unproven), a major injury risk (Alou) or punchless (Castillo, Schneider).
My god, our problem is not a lack of bodies, we have Abreu, Carp, Easly, Pagan, Clark, etc. (Delgado) – we have a bunch of guys who can fill lockers and uniforms.
Why would we want to add two more scrubs to the bunch?
And to give up some of our scarce young talent to do so – some people have too much time and too little judgment.
Someone teach Church first base. He can handle it. It’s not like we would lose his stellar speed in the outfield… Anybody see how Valentin did at first last week? I missed it
valentin looked positively slick over there and i am presonally holding out hope he plays 100 games there this year.
which may sound not to appealing, but that is how down i am on delgado.
if delgado was a stock i would sell, sell, sell….
How would Valentin’s numbers be even as good as Delgado?
grass is always greener on the other side real…
Why couldn’t Valentin put up better #s than Delgado this year?
Shawn Green had a better year than Delgado last year, and everyone thought Green was garbage. Why couldn’t Valentin do the same?
Delgado is done, blah blah blah, Mets are in trouble, blah blah blah, Mets need to make a trade, blah blah blah, Mets fans are panicking, blah blah blah, Alou will give us nothing, blah blah blah, El Duque is finished, blah blah blah, it’s March 13th…
18 days is nothing…this team plays its first game in 18 days, man. remember what happened last year in just 17 games?
We used to never agree on here but know you are one of the more sane posters on here. Delgado is not done, he is nearing the end of his career and can still hit in the .255-.265 range and hit 25 HR with 80+ RBI. There are players right now that are subject to trade talk as pieces to a puzzle that don’t hit that well. Look at Millar’s numbers, as a backup he would be fine but he’s not as good as Delgado so I guess he is done too?
Alou will give the Mets exactly what they expected from him. Great hitting when he is here and a hole when he is not.
Elduque will be Elduque and when pitching is the best #5 in baseball and when not then that is why we still have Pelfrey.
the time is NOW to worry. delgado is most likely done. just look at him. last year, now, same story. can’t hit the fastball in side. period, end of story. the guy is not a good fielder and now he’s not a good hitter. we need a replacement and we need it soon.
The guy that can’t hit the fastball hit close to .300 in the 2nd half and had 25 HR and 80+ RBI’s last year.
he hit .285 with 10 homers while striking out 47 times in 240 PA in the second half last year. 41 of his 59 hits were singles. so, yes, while his average was decent, he was not the delgado the team needed. he was a singles hitter who plays poor defense.
now, i’m not sure what to make of this start to spring training, but i will reiterate what matt said, whether it’s injuries or decline or both, he may not ever get to where we need him to be.
if you want to label me a worrier (as mrose did) for saying that, that’s okay.
are you people serious??? its 5 at bats!!! im not going to proclaim that he is going to return to all-star form, but at least give him a few more plate appearances. He can hit 2 homeruns in the next game and people will be predicting an MVP. Everyone relax
i won’t. he can’t turn on the inside fastball.
charlie, you are officially a nervous nelly….
well, i was also one of the few guys on here during june/july/aug worrying about the team while everyone else was sounding like willie clones. just saying.
ok, your allowed…
you are just a nervous nelly, just saying
you may be right by the way…just saying.
dp
i have no problem getting a guy like Kevin Millar, as long as the cost is Ruben Gotay or less, honesly, we have 3248239847 second basemen…and it is more important to have a backup 1B for Delgado who will miss atleast 30 games this year as opposed to having a backup SS for Reyes who will miss 3 games…I would also rather see Damion Easley play short than play first
Other than that, add Millar and that is it, our OF is fine and Easley, Chavez and Pagan can all play LF until Moises comes back…in July.
Look, I have a distaste for the whole mets fan state of panic/negative and cynical thing, but unfortunately the team is built for a win now mode of being. With the huge ???’s of Delgado, El Duque, and the outfield, the likelihood of of blowing the win now window is very real. I do think we should let the OF situation work itself out from the inside, we got young kids who could impress and even be a sparkplug, but Delgado may very well barely play 100 games, and I think we are sunk without a VERY serviceable 1st base option (Not converted outfielders or middle infielders who could be best serve at their own positions). Our division is too tough to overlook this. I think the Mo Vaughn comparison may be a bit much, but he and Alomar did much to sink the ship back then.
But they were the best players on the team and counted on. Delgado is not even counted on that much now. If he can give us .250-.260 with 20-25 HR that’s fine. Wille can bat him 7th and Church 5/6th if he needs to.
Besides if Delgado goes on the DL all these trade options will still be there and we can make the trade then.
they are not “win now”. The core is young still, and the team can easily have a sustained run of success.
Even if every 35+ guy on the team leaves after this year (other than Pedro, I want him back!) the mets can still win a bunch of games and easily make the playoffs in 2009.
They will find a LF and 1B for 2009. They aren’t the hardest positions to fill. Hopefully Martinez takes LF, and omar can certainly find a 1B.
So, if Pedro re ups, the rest of the old guys are Easley, Anderson, Alou, Delgado, El Duque. All are likely to be gone, and frankly they probably won’t really miss them.
Oh, I forgot about Wagner, who is 35+ and will be back. So it is him and Pedro.
Now, if Reyes, Wright and Santana were gone in 2009, then I would agree that 2008 is “win now”!
It’s 5 at bats yes…. but it’s also 5 strikeouts… because they’re all pitching him fast and in. And he can’t do anything about it. His bat speed is gone. Yeah he’ll probably hit 2 home runs, but those will be off guys who miss their placement and throw it over the plate. Most pitchers have to go through sequences with batters, Delgado’s too easy though… inside…inside…inside. And yea… the only reason he got those 5 strike outs is because he’s working on hitting inside, but right now… not seeing any progress
THANK. YOU…..
Keiths right. Its a timing issue. As in, his time was about 5 years ago, and its time for him to GO…(and yes I know, hes still our best option, so please spare me the ‘who else tough guy’ speech. Just cause hes our best option right now does not mean he doesnt suck…
so why do you keep posting the same thing over and over and over and over again? We know how you feel about it, and your posts aren’t going to change anything. State what you feel once, and let it go. You coming on here everyday posting 20+ times about how Delgado is done doesn’t change that he IS our best option, and that yes, he isn’t the player he used to be.
Sorry. Im just a tad concerned hes gonna cost us games. Games that may or not cost us the division or playoff spot. Seems kinda relevant on a ‘When to worry about Delgado’ thread. I dont discuss it unless its part of the ongoing conversation, and my points are valid. I like the makeup of the entire team, sans Delgado. I really think they can go far this year. The thought of him destroying all thats right with this team now due to his laskidasical attitude(’Sometimes we’re bored’), inability to stay healthy, or produce offensively or defensively out of an everyday player at an important position terrifies me.
The other day, Salty23 admitted to watching “The View” everyday.
So perhaps that helps put things in perspective for you a bit more……
LOL….hey, if it prevents me from having to spend $4,300 to get laid….
As Omar would say…’Know what I’m sayin?….’
I would rather have Mora from the O’s. I am sure they would love to unload his contract. He can play every position but catcher and still hits well enough. He would be a great supersub.
Moving past the moronic trade – who thinks that this may be a post that we look at in 7 months with happy laughter – after Delgado returns to old form and carries this team? I don’t think it’s possible, but I did say the following:
“Giants are a 5-11 team this year. They will never win with Manning and Coughlin there” – me, September 2007 (as I was booking my trip to Shea for Game 1).
that’s a terrible idea…..terrible
I don’t think anyone will try to make the argument that Delgado is not on the decline — and hey, maybe he is washed up — but it is way — WAY — too early to pass judgement on him and panic. Kevin Millar?! F*+^&%$ no.
The guy has had 11 AB — ELEVEN — and it’s not even the middle of March yet. How many times have we watched guys like him hit .200 in April and then tear it up the rest of the year? Happens all the time.
It’s not a sprint — it’s a marathon, and right now, we all just have to calm down and let the man get his work in.
I agree that if that trade proposal was made, it should be for Mora and Millar, not Payton and Millar. Mora could start in left while Alou recovers, and then he becomes a bit of a super-sub after that, capable of backing up Wright and Reyes, as well as all three outfield positions. You’d also get a righty bat/backup 1B/OF in Millar, so the versatility of the team is improved. Payton does nothing for me, nothing at all, especially if you’re giving up young players for him.
You don’t need Mora and Millar just Mora. Mora can play 1B too.
Yeah, very true. Millar doesn’t have much value anymore, although he’s always been a pretty good clubhouse guy.
Kevin Millar is the most annoying d-bag on the plantet.
Seriously…on this list….it’s Ashton Kutcher, Chris Rose, Carrot-Top, with Millar batting cleanup.
And Gilbert Godfried hitting 5th.
Gilbert Gottfried has got to be on that list somewhere….
Yea I live in Boston, Kevin Millar is the most annyoing dude ever. hearing obnoxious red sox fans yelling MILLLAAAAHHH is about the worst thing you could ever hear.
Also he threw out the first pitch in Fenway when he is still under contract with the Orioles.
Screw him
Dude….I have never seen anyone milk celebrity status after a Championship too the extreme level that Kevin Millar did. It’s even worse than Mike Eruzione, who is at least likable and did something far more worthy of attention.
Seriously…in 20 years you’re going to see Kevin Millar on the NorthEast Barmitzfa circuit with his RedSox uni and wearing clown make-up.
I wish there was a betting line on such a thing.
chris I was totally with you on the Giants outlook. Not sure even now if I would call Eli a franchise QB. He didnt single handedly win the game. If they continue to win and at least go beyond the 1st round in the playoffs I will likely warm to him. IMO it is still too easy to think of all the picks we gave up for him and see how often his line is 6 for 13, 103 yds, 1 td, 2 int’s.
RE: Carlos D – it may be early to completely give up on him, but scouring other teams’ rosters & AAA rosters should be a priority so that if we need to bring someone else in 2 mths from now, we have a plan in place… Millar might be an improvement over our 3 headed 2b’man manning 1st, but I doubt he’s a FT’r anymore.. The Moran suggestion is interesting, definitely more so than Jay, who is a powerless younger version of Moises.
Manning’s line has never been 6 for 13, 103 yards, 1 td, 2 ints.
Now it has been 6 for 33, 103 yards, 1 td, 2 ints. But that’s a whole other issue.
A franchise QB is not supposed to win you a game single-handedly. Any offense that solely relies on that factor is an extremely flawed offense, and that’s the exact philosophy that got Eli and Gilbride into trouble most of the regular season. It wasn’t until Gilbride stopped calling for Eli to pass on first down and stopped scripting up to 35 pass attempts per game, and started running the ball, that the GMEN and Eli really arrived.
The guy just won a Super Bowl and is the only other QB not named Montana to throw for 2 TDs in the 4th QTR in the Super Bowl. Lay off him.
With all due respect, your first paragraph is the truest display of a spoiled fan I can imagine. That’s why I felt the need to go on a football rant on a baseball blog.
Sorry to do the same thing…football rant on a baseball blog….but Eli for all his faults is now NY royalty. HE will always be remembered fondly.
Maybe in the Phil Simms mold…Maybe in the Jeff Hostetler mold. But either way…a NY Giant Superbowl winning QB. Give the guy some space. He is not a finished product yet and he has already done what Danny Kannell and Dave Brown and way too many other NY QBs have not
Did Jeff Moore write this while riding the short bus on his way to school this morning?
as i’ve been suggesting since September of last year, i expect at best .250 24 HRs. from Delgado in 2007. That is if he can get a good amount of AB’s.
2008 of course, is what i meant
Delgado is Done-gado. We better recognize this now and make the necessary provisions or will we be in big trouble down the road this season.
Hey, let’s be fair to Delgado.
How can we expect him to hit a high and tight fastball when he has that enormous fork stuck in his back?
Let’s face facts this guy is done. He could never field his position and now he can’t hit much more than a replacement level 1B. Good thing DelCrapo is going to cost over $12M this year and next (when you consider his buyout).
I predict 40 jacks for D-Gado, but even when he launches them off the scoreboard these still won’t prevent us from enduring this level of semi-literate and disloyal MetsBlog commentary.
It’s not disloyal to see the team do what it has to do with a crucial position in the line-up in order to improve it’s chances of making it to the World Series . . . is it?
Semi-Literate, huh? Are you Delgado’s agent? Is that why you are acting all snarky defending your aging client?
I don’t get it? Am I supposed to be a blindly loyal fan that supports every Met player?
gottabelieve, were you one of the “fans” telling people to stop booing t** gl****e as he pissed away the season on Sept. 30th?
I bet you want ol’ T** back?
I guess life would be better if I was delusional like you are. 40 HRs from Delgado? Are you talking about his next three seasons combined? Did you watch the Mets last year? Did Delgado show you anything promising? I remember Delgado looking alot like Cliff Floyd in his last season as a Met. Slow, broken down and incapable of making contact on anything inside.
At least Cliff was an all around good guy. Delgado is just a jerk. He had the temerity to insist that since he had a good 10 ABs in Cinn. late in the 2007 season, we (Mets fans) shouldn’t worry about him. Who says that?? For the record, Delgado went 5-10 in that stretch, 4 singles and a 9th inn HR in a 10-3 Met win and the HR was off Dave Weathers pitching in his 4th consecutive game.
A bit rough with the comments..but you are right. Delgado is done and why is this thread of all places not the one to share commentary on what his poor performance can ultimately mean to the team. Read the damn title to the thread Gottabelieve
40hrs….that was funny man.
Cliff Floyd…tell me how many career HRs does he have in comparison to Delgado?
Delgado’s a terrific person, too, but I see you judge him based on a remark from last season, not for the total generous person who he is. Yeah, you guessed it, I’m his agent.
Because he’s being idiotically misjudged by you and and typically negative a-analytical turkeys on this thread isn’t my problem.
He was hobbled by injuries last year, and still had a good second half, but, yeah, he must have been single-handedly responsible for the collapse.
Your disloyalty will prove punishment enough before long.
I pity you.
P.S. Oh, yeah, dying for Glavine to return–LOL
Hey gottabelieve, I never said Delgado was soley responsible for the collapse, he was barely playing in Sept anyway (only, what, 15 games?).
Why is it so crazy to suggest that a 36 year old power hitter could be done?
Could it be that we have been watching roided up sluggers for so long that we forgot that most ballplayers are useless by their mid 30s?
Yes, he had some injuries last year
Yes, he missed the beginning of spring training last year
Yes, there are a whole slew of excuses you can make for Delgado.
Personally, he looked finished to me last year, he couldn’t catch up to ANYTHING fast on the inner half of the plate last year. I am not foolishly basing this on a handful of spring ABs, like maybe some others are.
The Mets are in a tough spot. Can the Mets get by with Delgado hitting .250 with 25 mostly meaningless HRs, I think so. The rest of the team, when healthy, is strong enough to overcome him. It’s just a shame that a championship caliber team has to go through the season with a HUGE disadvantage at 1B.
Go Mets!
And hey, sorry about the Glavine thing, that was just low.
Seriously…in 20 years you’re going to see Kevin Millar on the NorthEast Barmitzfa circuit with his RedSox uni and wearing clown make-up. LMFAO !!!!!
Please show some luv for Danny Bonnaducci (fat ass Partridge-boy), Donny Osmond, his sister marie (who I expect to morph into Tammy Faye) Barry Manilow, Marilyn Manson, Boy George & Lionel Richie. No list of the most annoying is complete w/o these #$%@’rs.
throw in Jimm Fallon, and put a bow on it. DOne.
[for the recrod, I am doing 50 push-ups for initially leaving JImmy Fallon of the list. I find it mindboggling that I did such a thing.
Fire Willie
Sit Delgado (he’s done)
Put Valentin/Abreu on First
Get Rid of El Duque (he’s done)
There!