News: Mets seek Outfielder-1B

March 19, 2008 at 9:45 am · 119 comments

by Matthew Cerrone

In the Daily News, citing ‘scouts,’ Adam Rubin reports that the Mets are looking to acquire a right-handed bat for the outfielder who can also play first base

Rubin continues on to explain why acquiring Angels OF-1B Juan Rivera is ‘unlikely.’

i have a feeling this exact same justification can be transposed on to any attractive player you would like to see acquired by the Mets…remember, a) nothing is free, and b) if there is a player on your roster that you don’t want, odds are good that the other team has no interest in him as well…

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stickguy March 19, 2008 at 10:06 am

IMO, they need to stay away from the “name” guys that will cost some fairly serious prospects or players to get.

This is a situation where Omar should look to snag a minor league guy (maybe one of the infamous AAAA ones), that is maybe blocked elsewhere.

They need someone with some pop and versatility, and hopefully a younger body that can stay healthy! And they need to be cheap, and prepared to spend time on the bench if/when Alou comes back.

Linden was mentioned earlier, and while you may not like him, he is a perfect example of the type of guy that could help out.

Or, maybe Pagan/Clark gives them enough, and Clark can handle 1B in an emergency?

The Mets actually had a good candidate last year that left over the winter. Was it Harper? Big dude that played 1B and OF.

elonmet March 19, 2008 at 10:15 am

what about Jay gibbons from the O’s. He plays both and don’t think they have any room for him. I think he is coming of injury but looked good against us last week.

domosnacks5 March 19, 2008 at 10:20 am

Well, he has that 15 game steroid suspension to start the year. That might be an issue as we might need whoever we get right away

dawhizz March 19, 2008 at 11:46 am

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Justin Huber. Former Met prospect getting squeezed out of a roster spot. RH bat. Plays 1B & the corner OF spots. Hitting .316 with slug % of .632 this Spring. And yes, it does sound like he won’t make the team:

http://www.khqa.com/sports/sports_story.aspx?id=109968

guierllNO MOta March 19, 2008 at 10:20 am

Thank you Adam Rubin, maybe some fans could read B. over and over and over and over and over and over again until they finally understand that if there is player that we are willing to trade because they dont have value and/or we dont want them on our roster why would anyone else want them?!?!?!?!?!?! the only way would be a salary dump and there are no salary dump candidates out there currently.

Also, Gibbons is/was a roider and the Orioles will want more than the usual mention of Ruben Gotay…who fite the perfect example as Adam Rubin’s B. Also isnt Gibbons a lefty? isnt the last thing we need on this team another lefty?

Rndng3rd March 19, 2008 at 10:25 am

If we’re going to rummage the scrap heaps, what about a guy like, say, Brady Clark?

Oh, wait ….

jere March 19, 2008 at 10:27 am

As far as I can tell, Juan Rivera has never played 1b, so I don’t see him as the answer.

ArmandoReynoso March 19, 2008 at 11:27 am

Actually, he’s been playing 1B in spring training (they’re trying him out there, to get him more playing time)

Nate W. March 19, 2008 at 10:30 am

to be fair, the Angels are facing a bit of a roster crunch. They have 16 position players who are big league players, and if they dont trade anyone it looks like they will send Reggie Williets, Kendry Morales, and maybe Erick Aybar to AAA. Thats a lot of more versitile players to ship to AAA to keep Juan Rivera who likely wont play more than once a week at 1B.

If the Angels want to keep Rivera and Morales, would they’re be any interest in Robb Quinlan as a 1B/3B/LF/RHPH ?

He’s put up solid numbers in AAA and has played all of those positions for significant amounts of time. He’s 31 and out of options, so he should come cheap.

Another Matt March 19, 2008 at 11:10 am

Geeze… the Halos sure are well stocked with guys who can play.

Quinlan might be perfect for the Mets this season – a 1B who can also play outfield and cover 3B, righty with some pop, and seemingly OK with not playing every day.

crapple March 19, 2008 at 12:18 pm

Quinlan seems like a good option to me. Guy can play mult positions, bats R, and is relatively young. Lets see what happens at the final roster cuts. I’ll bet Omar makes a “nice little” move for a guy like this.

Another Matt March 19, 2008 at 12:45 pm

Haha… tells you alot about the Mets that Robb Quinlan could be described “relatively young” at 31 :P

Hit The Weights Zeile March 19, 2008 at 10:34 am

youre telling me the cardinals wont do a pujols for pagan straight up deal? what is the world coming to.

ArmandoReynoso March 19, 2008 at 11:28 am

throw in Gotay, and I think you have a done deal!

guierllNO MOta March 19, 2008 at 10:35 am

I would trade Pagan straight up for Pujols, actually they should through in Wainwright too….

Bobby Bones in SC March 19, 2008 at 10:47 am

Convince Shawn Green to come out of retirment for a little while. I know he is not a stud, but he sure did perform well for the Mets last year.

Plays OF and is a decent glove at 1st.

cuervo March 19, 2008 at 10:50 am

they dont need a LH OF/1B.. if they get anyone.. its a RH OF/1B.

ASod1975 March 19, 2008 at 11:25 am

A guy I’d like the Mets to pursue is Melvin Mora. He basically can play anywhere, and would be a better backup shortstop option for Reyes than Easley. He probably could step in and be the everyday leftfielder while Alou is out. The O’s seem to be in full-bore rebuilding mode, it would be an avenue worth checking out.

ArmandoReynoso March 19, 2008 at 11:34 am

I’ve always liked Mora, but he’s 36, and hasn’t played SS or any OF position since 2003 (ok, he played 1 inning at SS in 2004). Other than that 1 inning, he’s played nothing but 3B in ‘04, ‘05, ‘06 and ‘07.

And I seem to remember they shifted him to full-time 3B b/c he complained about having to move around too much (but I could be wrong about that)?

ExileInLA March 19, 2008 at 11:01 am

I posted this in the Delgado thread yesterday, but it got buried…

My suggestion for a pickup 1B is WES HELMS.

Righty bat; plays 1B & 3B, with a bit of OF. Career 265 hitter, coming off a down year. Turns 32 in May.

It’ll be hard (maybe impossible) to get him from Phila in a direct trade, but if they cut him, maybe the Mets can have a ready-to-go waiver/trade deal with a club who’s at the bottom of the heap? Or, one of the Philly papers said that SF might want him (in exchange for Steve Klein – LH reliever); so if that deal can be done, then maybe the Mets send Sosa (and $$), or Joe Smith, to SF for Helms.

Mister Koo March 19, 2008 at 11:11 am

Wes Helms plays dreadful defense and is easier to strike out than Billy Crystal. I’d rather have Delgado in there whiffing.

Slob March 19, 2008 at 11:50 am

Wes Helms has an .835 OPS against LHP for his career. That tells me more about what he can do than his strikeouts.

Nate W. March 19, 2008 at 11:11 am

Steve Klein on the phillies?

yes please! make that happen, asap!

ArmandoReynoso March 19, 2008 at 11:36 am

Yeah, I’m friends with a Phillies fan and he HATES Wes Helms… says he’s just an awful, awful player.

ExileInLA March 19, 2008 at 2:05 pm

Well, I was thinking of trading Reyes or Santana to get a backup 1B, but I decided against it…

c’mon, people — if these guys were great, they’d be starters, not backups…of course they’re flawed.

GuruMets March 19, 2008 at 11:02 am

Since this seems to be an issue why are we not looking at the players from other teams who are out of options, and are not likely to make their current team?

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/02/out-of-options.html

It may not be best case, because I do not know the ability of these players defensively (for the most part)
How about Dan Johnson from the A’s?
Andy Marte from the Indians?
Mike Morse from the Mariners?
Mike Hessmen from the Tigers? (I remember him playing 1st w/Braves)

Players like this could help, and also be cheap… thoughts?

ASod1975 March 19, 2008 at 2:18 pm

Marte would be interesting, if for nothing else it would be great to see a former ‘can’t miss’ Braves prospect blossom for the Mets. Of course, he’s obviously regressed a lot if he’s no longer viewed as a prospect, but you never know. He can play first and third, and I believe they’ve tried him in left if I’m not mistaken….

ASod1975 March 19, 2008 at 2:25 pm

Actually, he’s only ever played third at the major or minor-league level, but the Indians are trying him at first and outfield this spring to improve his versatility. I was just reading an article that the Indians are leaning toward keeping Marte on their opening roster over Josh Barfield and Ben Francisco, who have performed better this spring but still have minor-league options remaining.

wrightnow5 March 19, 2008 at 11:11 am

What happened to the Marcus Thames chatter? Aren’t the Tigers still desparate for bullpen arms ith Rodney and Zumaya hurt? Along those same lines, can Brandon Inge play 1B or OF?

Another Matt March 19, 2008 at 11:28 am

I’d rather have Inge than Thames, but I’d rather have Clark than either. Neither offers much value over Clark, and both would cost way more than that differential.

ASod1975 March 19, 2008 at 11:29 am

Inge has played all three outfield positions, third base and catcher during his career. A guy like Inge or Mora would be good options, since they add versatility. The only thing with Inge is he wants to play every day, and the Mets won’t be able to accomodate him there (although with all the injuries, he’d play quite a bit, especially if he could work first base into his repertoire).

Jayperez March 19, 2008 at 11:17 am

This is the worst part of the season. Every teams weakness is glaring and everyones hand is on the panic button and none of the games even matter yet. I think we should see how Clark/Pagan/Endy work out for alous absence. If they cant handle it THEN lets see about trade. Who knows they might be enough to cover alou’s time on the DL. We cannot afford to just give away prospects for someone who really is not going to make a big impact in the lineup. We are basically trading away prospects for a bench guy. Cannot wait till the regular season starts so we can put all this speculation to rest.

Saltzy23 March 19, 2008 at 12:24 pm

This is a very good post. I agree, eh…95%. Its hard not to look at the Sox with 2 SP’s on the DL and not agree. I think that you can address(or at lease prepare for what you expect will be issues).

crapple March 19, 2008 at 12:33 pm

But speculation is FUN. They don’t actually have to make a move!

therealsince86 March 19, 2008 at 11:21 am

We don’t need helms. No way I would trade sosa for helms. I would rather have clark. I still think the angels would be good partners or the os.
Iwould wou

ASod1975 March 19, 2008 at 11:39 am

Right now, it’s probably not too good an idea of trading Sosa for anyone. He’s throwing the ball well this spring, and with El Duque a question mark and Pelfrey still up and down, the Mets may turn to Sosa to start at some point this season. At the very least, he will be needed in the pen until Duaner proves he’s healthy.

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 11:30 am

Hi, everybody, I’m back!

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 11:33 am

I’m just thinking, the new Mets stadium, is sponsered by Citi Bank, there is a high chance of them filing for Bankrupcy. Imagine a stadium with a “out of business” sponser!?! COOL!

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 11:35 am

COOL as is “interesting”, not in a positive way, don’t wish anyone to go out of business, especially a sponser of ours.

ArmandoReynoso March 19, 2008 at 11:38 am

Houston’s park started as ENRON field

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 11:40 am

True too, people must have the creeps walking into there. I’m not a lawer, but they probably have the right to change the name.

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 11:41 am

and did, thankfully

Saltzy23 March 19, 2008 at 12:06 pm

I post a lot(maybe too much)…but isn’t one post announcing your triumphant return, followed by 4 replies to your own post a tad much?

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 12:25 pm

I guess that’s the effects of a slow work day. Hello to you too :)

bxsci insight March 19, 2008 at 11:42 am

Jaun Rivera is a perfect fit, who could hit 280 with 23 HRs

therealsince86 March 19, 2008 at 11:48 am

Rivera would cost too much. They will make room for him if they don’t get what they want. Morales would be a better fit and should be cheaper.

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 11:51 am

What are his numbers and why do you think he’ll be easier to get?

Another Matt March 19, 2008 at 12:13 pm

One thing that might make Morales more expensive… I think he might be eligable for a 4th option year, since his first ML appearances were in his 2nd pro year.

What might make him cheaper though is that the Angels currently appear to consider him their 3rd 1B, with Casey Kotchman looking set to block him for a long time.

Last year he hit .294/.333/.479 in 119 ML ABs. His OPS for AAA was .879 in ‘06 and .871 in ‘07.

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 12:23 pm

sounds good

bxsci insight March 19, 2008 at 12:06 pm

He shouldn’t cost that much. The angels have 4 outfields better then him, and he is coming off of an injury.

Jayperez March 19, 2008 at 1:27 pm

His numbers are good and he’s young. The mets should keep an eye on him. Again always depends on what we have to give up to get him

dawhizz March 19, 2008 at 11:53 am

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Jusin Huber. Former Met prospect. RH bat. Plays 1b & the corner OF. Still young, so he could develop. Hitting .316 with .632 sluffing percentage this spring. And all indications are that he’ll be squeezed out of a spot in KC because they have a lot of young talent at 1b & OF (according to recent news out of KC camp), so he probably won’t cost much, as KC will be happy to get someone for him instead of just releasing him (he’s out of options and would have to be put on waivers).

stickguy March 19, 2008 at 11:58 am

wasn’t he a atcher at one point too?

Always nice to have an emergency catcher that can actually do the job.

As I said ealier on, this is the (conceptual) type of guy that they should be looking at right now.

ArmandoReynoso March 19, 2008 at 12:13 pm

KC is one of the most pathetic teams in MLB, and Justin Huber has managed just 98 ABs in the past 3 seasons combined (with a .204 avg). And it’s not like they’re loaded with all stars at 1B, OF, or C.

You have to assume if they thought he was worth playing, he’d be playing. And he turns 26 this July.

I fail to see how he would be an upgrade over Pagan/Clark (and probably even a downgrade).

Another Matt March 19, 2008 at 12:39 pm

Could be that KC suck because they’re badly managed.

Kinda looks like they wrote him off because he didn’t do all that good in 78 ABs as a 22-year-old. His minor league numbers look like they deserve way more than the 10 ABs he’s had in each of the last two years, especially given the guy they started last year had a .318 OBP

Huber had a .853 OPS at AAA last year, and a .864 career minor league OPS. That’s not too bad, and considerably better than Pagan can boast.

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 11:55 am

What about Mike Jacobs?

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 11:56 am

1st base and catcher, still young and can develop. I understand he’s a lefty, but so is Delgado.

guierllNO MOta March 19, 2008 at 12:15 pm

could you please send me a package of whatever you are smoking, yikes.

guierllNO MOta March 19, 2008 at 12:16 pm

seriously what part of RIGHT HANDED dont you get, and oh yeah Mike jacobs wont cost a top prospect that….wait for it….we dont have!!!

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 12:21 pm

What I’m saying, is to trade Decrapo (who is a lfty) and to recieve Mike Jacobs (who’s also a lefty). Not streight up, but around that.

guierllNO MOta March 19, 2008 at 1:03 pm

you mean trade Delgado who makes 16MM to the marlins for Mike Jacobs??? you are fully aware that the Marlins traded Delgado to the Mets for Jacobs right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you should absolutely positively be banned from posting on this site, what is wrong with you?

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 2:47 pm

Thats why i wrote “NOT STREIGHT UP”. A three way deal would be more like it. There are plenty of teams who would want Delgado and would give something th the Marlins.

Saltzy23 March 19, 2008 at 3:01 pm

No one wants Delgado this year at $10 mil…and $16 Mil overall. YOU having issues with reality?!?…I’m shocked….

BTW, the hypothetical Pujols trade post on this thread is a joke. I just wanna make sure you understand that, cause knowing you I thought maybe you took it seriously.

guierllNO MOta March 19, 2008 at 5:08 pm

thank you saltzy…yikes with this guy

Brandon Webb striaght up for Joe Smith…whatdya think? If I’m Omar I at least consider it.

Lastly, lets go mets, once again read the original post, read b) if you have someone on your team you dont want (aka who you called Decrapo) WHY WOULD ANYONE ELSE WANT HIM….

therealsince86 March 19, 2008 at 12:04 pm

Morales is not even a primaru backup and does not have dominant numbersm I don’t think they are vey high on him and have not given him the right chance. Rivera you here a lot about. The angels need a starter bullpen guy so Sosa and a prospect shoul work.

Nate W. March 19, 2008 at 1:15 pm

Morales is more of a guy who can be the Mets 1B for 2009-2012 than a LF, but he can fill in there this year. The advantage of Morales is that you get a ready made, bargain replacement for Delgado next year.

Given his hitting in AAA I would think he would make an ideal first baseman on the Mets going forward. A righty bat to slot in between of Church and Schneider at the bottom of the order.

Another Matt March 19, 2008 at 1:37 pm

This is the beauty of Morales, and why he’s one of the very few names being floated that the Mets would be justified in giving up a useful piece for. He can contribute now, he’d be the starting 1B as soon as Delgado’s gone, and he’s under contract for a good while yet.

icedrake523 March 19, 2008 at 12:04 pm

They should trade for Rivera. Let’s not delude ourselves into thinking buys like Niese and Parnell will be anything worth keeping in the future. The Mets have talent but are atrocious when it comes to developing them (they rush them horribly which seriously hampers their development). Until they learn to stop, no matter who they sign/draft will not meet expectations simply because the Mets do not develop talent correctly. Before you bring up Wright and Reyes, both of them were rushed and the Mets lucked out that they were able to play at a ML level early on. Teams get one of these players a decade. The Mets are extremely lucky they have two.

Juan Rivera is an excellent option for LF/1B. The Mets should trade for him (I don’t think it’d cost as much as Rubin is thinking because Rivera is in his walk year, off a 17-game season, and the Angels have about 5 OFs without him).

ArmandoReynoso March 19, 2008 at 12:26 pm

I have to disagree with the “rushing the development” theory… b/c it certainly doesn’t hurt the guys that are REAL prospects. Most great players start very young (Wright, Reyes, Pujols, Miguel Cabrera, Hanley Ramirez, ARod, Griffey, adn I could go on & on).

I don’t hear anyone complaining that the Yankees are rushing Phil Hughes…

It’s the inferior prospects (like Alex Escobar, and Justin Huber, and an endless line of guys we’ve seen thru the years) that were overhyped/overvalued b/c they were top propects in a weaker farm system, that can’t handle promotions (and chances are, they never would have handled it). They shouldn’t have been major leaguers in the 1st place.

The mets farm system (I believe) often drafts the wrong players (though baseball moreso than other sports is harder to project future potential), but I don’t think they screw up the development of major talents/stud prospects. I just think they don’t manage to get those guys in the 1st place (aside from Reyes/Wright/FMart, etc).

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 12:31 pm

Who said F-Mart will be good in the Majors, don’t jump to conclusions.

ArmandoReynoso March 19, 2008 at 3:16 pm

the guy that wants to trade Delgado for Mike Jacobs is telling me I’m jumping to conclusions???

I didn’t say he was going to be good in the majors — I said he was an elite PROSPECT.

VCarver March 19, 2008 at 12:56 pm

Agree entirely with what AR said.

Further, I think that in some cases, the Mets don’t promote their prospects early enough and give them chances.

When Santana came up, his first two years with the Twins pitching both as a starter and in the pen were just horrible. Worse than Pelfrey’s numbers the last two years. Yet he turned out just fine.

It would be hard to find a pitcher who struggled as much as Santana did when he broke into the majors. And there are many similar instances with other players such as Smoltz and Glavine. So this idea that kids are harmed by being promoted too early doesn’t seem to fit reality. Maybe some of the kids that never turn out well after being promoted early would never have made it regardless of when they were brought up.

Another Matt March 19, 2008 at 1:00 pm

Every single one of your examples of ‘great players who start young’ is a position player. The complaint was about the organization rushing pitchers, who are generally considered to need more development.

Now, Phil Hughes may be a different case. We’ll see shortly whether he’s been rushed – and you can bet the skank fans will be complaining about it if he’s not lights out like everyone’s been conditioned to expect and demand from him.

Ultimately I suspect the ‘rushed’ issue is mis-cast. I don’t see that it will make a major difference to anyone’s ultimate achievement, as long as we’re willing to accept that if you bring someone up quick, they’re gonna start slow. The problem is twofold: (1) it’s tough to project prospects, especially pitchers, so we have to accept that a lot of supposed studs turn out to be duds, and (2) you have to have patience to accept some failures when you bring a young player up to the majors, and give them a chance to fully develop before you write them off.

bxsci insight March 19, 2008 at 12:06 pm

Agree

mrose March 19, 2008 at 12:18 pm

offtopic…
anyone see what the Red sox are doing right now?

Saltzy23 March 19, 2008 at 12:30 pm

You mean boycotting the fact they are shafting their coaches a measley $40k to make the trip to Japan? Good for them. InCREDIble….just pay them. Do you really not expect them to be infuriated that guys who make millions get it, and the coaches that could really use a bonus like that get the shaft….maybe THIS will convince those of you that dont understand this is a BUSINESS. They screw themselves like snakes eating their own tail….You think they care about YOU?!?….haha….only your money….

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 12:34 pm

Again, fountains of wisdom pouring out of you.

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 12:39 pm

You definitely are the Joe B. of this blog, always with something encouraging to say.

Saltzy23 March 19, 2008 at 12:39 pm

This is not a counter argument. It’s an observation. I’m not exactlly sure what it accomplishes either, but thanks for the compliment. (sarcasm dripping)

Saltzy23 March 19, 2008 at 12:43 pm

Damn…making me reply to my own post. I hate that. Anyway, I assume you mean Joe Benningo? I’m ok with that comparison, although I dont agree with him on many topics. If you can point out what is wrong with truth and fact over emotions and hope, then Ill stop commenting.

I’m sure the Sox coaches getting screwed really appreciate your empathy and encouragment though….

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 12:57 pm

There’s nothing wrong with you truth and fact, it’s just that you always manage to find the truth of the pessimistic side of things.

likeitoughttabe29 March 19, 2008 at 1:01 pm

Im still trying to figure out your point. Is it that why should we care about the red sox boycotting going to Japan becuase their coaches aren’t getting a promised stipened since the coaches dont care about us? if thats your point why do you even bother coming on a blog about a major league baseball team when they dont care about you?

It should actually be the otherway around for you its about a team sticking together against MLB to show their support for everyone on their staff. Its not just about the coaches but the trainers, assistants, equipment managers who really do not get paid much at all and alot of income and their living is based on travel stipends and tips from the players at the end of the year.

it feels good to read that if you have ever been a part of a team, knowing that you have 25 or 30 people standing behind you and the big guys are sticking up for the little guys.

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 1:08 pm

Very well said, I agree with you %100. If baseball would’ve only been to make money, tax money wouldn’t pay for a new stadium. It’s a business but it’s to create leisure. Not all teams make money.

Saltzy23 March 19, 2008 at 1:15 pm

I’ll be clearer. What is shows to me is that management only cares about the bottom line. Period. Winning obviously makes turning a profit easier. I’m sure they wanna win, but I’d like to meet the owner that would take a championship over being in the black.

What is shows to me is that even members of the organization itself are sacrificed in the name of a few bucks if possible. Its why I completely seperate the ‘game’, which I love(anything that happens between the lines), from the ‘Sport of baseball’(basically anything else). Otherwise I would go crazy.

I think the players sticking up for the coaches is great. They are about the only people in the world that actually hold some leverage in the situation. They control profits.

Jayperez March 19, 2008 at 1:20 pm

well said and this is the whole point of that story

Red Sox hitting coach Dave Magadan was touched by the support from the players.

“To see how the players backed us and how they feel about the work that we do, that meant a lot,” Magadan said. “It means a lot. Sometimes we feel like you can have a thankless job, but when things like that are done, you really appreciate and get a feeling for how the players feel about us.”

Saltzy23 March 19, 2008 at 1:37 pm

Wait wait….when did I say anything to the contrary? I LOVE the fact that the Red Sox players are making a stand. My point(poorly worded maybe), was that OWNERSHIP/MANAGEMENT only cares about money. Winning is just a vehicle for that. The players are the only ones whos voices actually make a lick of difference, cause they are the ones that generate profits. If they sit, no money. If fans decide not to go to the park, someone will take their seat. I know that every owner wants to see their team succeed, but more so they want to finish the year in the black. Show me one owner that would take a championship over a nice bottom line. Its why I seperate the ‘game’ that I love(what happens between the lines), from the ‘Sport of Baseball’(basically anything else), which is a business, and has teams screwing their own employees. Otherwise I would go crazy.

likeitoughttabe29 March 19, 2008 at 1:57 pm

Ok my fault I read the comment about “do you think they care about you” and “the coaches are happy to have your empathy” as you saying the coaches and players dont care about fans.

My mistake

Saltzy23 March 19, 2008 at 1:58 pm

Damn…I’ve been replying to my own posts all day, but I think Matt was testing some ‘Share’ thing and it looked like my original reply was screened cause it wasnt there when I hit submit. Either way, you get my point.

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 2:00 pm

Ask George S. if he would rather want a championship or a bigger profit. I think the answer is pretty clear. I’m sure the owner of the Washington Nationals are making a ton of money just about now and the Devil Rays, there a fortune 500 company.

Saltzy23 March 19, 2008 at 2:15 pm

Honestly, I know you are well intentioned but you are a really bad debater. First off, never use the polar ends of an example when making an argument. It makes it way to easy to find holes I could drive a truck through.

A. Lets not compare the most free spending owner in the HISTORY of sports to owners on the whole. Secondly, he owns a a team that CANNOT turn a profit(or at least bring people to the park) unless they win or at the minimumn put themselves in a position to win before the season.

B. If you think the owners of the Nationals and DBacks bought their teams cause they wanna win, this argument is over. First off, its the PERSUIT of profits. You cannot use the example of someone losing money on a business to illustrate their want to win. They have teams in crappy markets. If you own a bagel shop in midtown NYC, you will make more than if you own one in Wisconsin(assuming you have a good business plan). Not to mention the fact that if the Nats owners just wanted to win thet would have stayed in Montreal. Why move and build a brand new stadium? For the fans sake? Bwahahaha….Rightm they just wanted to put a smile on the face of some people in a city 500 miles away, just to be nice….Yeesh…I really hope you took alot of Sociology and Psychology classes in college, cause your business sense sucks….

likeitoughttabe29 March 19, 2008 at 2:15 pm

Can you please you their proper name It is the Rays now. The Rays are a Fortune 500 company.

I think they should change their logo to just be a picture of Ray Charles and Ray Liotta

Saltzy23 March 19, 2008 at 2:24 pm

I meant the DRays….or ‘Rays’ to be up to completely accurate….

VCarver March 19, 2008 at 12:38 pm

It’s admirable what the Red Sox players are doing. MLB can certainly afford to give the coaches the same money that they are giving the players for this trip. Why is MLB being so stingy when they are flush with record revenues? They can give Selig $14 million a year but refuse to give some coaches $40,000 each?

It’s just too bad baseball players didn’t show this same type of resolve in the past when it came to implementing steroids testing. The record books would be a lot cleaner today if they had.

mex84 March 19, 2008 at 12:39 pm

Oh where have you gone Justin Huber…………

Agee's Catch March 19, 2008 at 12:59 pm

or Jason Phillips…

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 1:00 pm

That guy couldn’t run out a home run.

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 1:01 pm

I sense that you liked the guy.

mex84 March 19, 2008 at 1:29 pm

Mancrush. Seriously, he is a young, cheap potential replacment to either Delgado or Alou. He is out of options with the Royals and has never been given a shot like dawhizz stated a few posts back. Good numbers down on the farm. Do it Omar!

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 1:36 pm

I like anything that is young, wont have to give up a lot for and has potential. He fits the bracket if he’ll come cheap which I’m not sure about.

davey_and_themets March 19, 2008 at 1:03 pm

dimitri young??

likeitoughttabe29 March 19, 2008 at 1:06 pm

For what to raise the teams combined blood sugar level?

davey_and_themets March 19, 2008 at 1:45 pm

haha good one

boozermetsfan March 19, 2008 at 1:11 pm

todd zeile?

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 1:14 pm

he’s retired two years already, get real. What are you gonna tell me next, Keith Hernandez?!?

likeitoughttabe29 March 19, 2008 at 1:18 pm

Mark Carreon?

dcmetsfan March 19, 2008 at 2:59 pm

Naw, I’m thinking Dave Magaden.

Charlie March 19, 2008 at 1:28 pm

What Endy, Pagan, Easley, Anderson, and Clark don’t make you feel comfortable?

(Sarcasm, people, sarcasm.)

easymethod March 19, 2008 at 1:49 pm

What are the chances of Nick Johnson coming back to NYC. I think he would be a great fit and was on a tear before his big leg injury.

I haven’t been too up on his recent play, but how much of a price tag would he fetch? I would be willing to part with a Scott Schoeneweis and few of our other clowns.

KinersKornerman March 19, 2008 at 7:32 pm

He’s ok if he isn’t hurt, but his numbers are not any better than Delgado’s.

zen March 19, 2008 at 1:49 pm

every team has weakness going into the season. it’s impossible to address all of them. the mets are banking on excellent starting pitching together with an improved bullpen and very good defense.

they will need big years from reyes, wright, and beltran. if that happens they’ll be fine. that’s not too much to ask for offensively especially since the bench is light years ahead of last year which featured julio franco and newhan

the nl east will be close btw the braves, phils, and mets. mets are likely to make the playoffs then anything can happen

Jayperez March 19, 2008 at 1:58 pm

well said. I believe the mets have the ability and resources to make the playoffs. We have upgraded out starting pitching and bullpen. Given a bill of health the mets should do very well this year. Offensivly it is fair to expect the same output from reyes/wright. I think beltran will have a good season similar to 06. It is going to be a tight race the whole year because the braves/phillies(offense) have improved. I dont know who else from the NL that will make the playoffs because alot of teams have improved as well. Its gonna be a bumpy ride but i think we should come out on top

Shaolin LoRD March 19, 2008 at 1:55 pm

Well, I for one think we should stick with what he have between Pagan, Endy and Clark.

Jayperez March 19, 2008 at 2:00 pm

I agree. Lets try them out see what they got to offer.

likeitoughttabe29 March 19, 2008 at 2:00 pm

Thats tough thou because you wanna make your 3 replacements for a position out of 2 unproven players and endy who was hurt most of last year.

Jayperez March 19, 2008 at 2:15 pm

well this would be the perfect oppurtunity to give them a chance to prove themselves and see where they can fit in(long term-give fmart some time to polish himself for 09 and fill in for alou when he goes on the DL again sometime this year/ short term-plug in the 41 game hole that alous going to give us and then look for help outside to cover his next DL stint). Dont get me wrong im not a pagan fan or anything im just saying lets see what the kid has to offer. He’s had a torrid ST and is obviously making a case for himself. Id say give it to him. Im sure Omar/Willie will go with that notion before Omar gives away yet another prospect for outside help when maybe we will not need.

Nate W. March 19, 2008 at 2:45 pm

There is a decent enough track record on part time play for all three that they arent unknowns or unproven. None has been an everyday player in the last two seasons and I dont think any of them would be asked to be an everyday player.

Lets go Mets March 19, 2008 at 2:03 pm

I’m petrified of the Braves, they got Glavine (20 game winner) back….:(

guierllNO MOta March 19, 2008 at 5:13 pm

Lets go Mets….either you are so friggin sarcastic that it is going even above the heads of the rest of us sarcastic jag-ons or else you have got to hold the spot for the top 17 most moronic comments on one post thread

I am done with this clown, I hope you are at least younger than 17 then I’ll give you a break for not having a full developed mind.

Lastly, if my name gets kicked off for this comment for being too mean, I will return with the name “Ruben Gotay straight up for Ryan Howard, do it Omar” unless that name is already taken.

KinersKornerman March 19, 2008 at 7:33 pm

Excellent name. Almost as good as Client 9.

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