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According to WFAN’s Ed Coleman, the Mets have placed Ruben Gotay on waivers.
Meanwhile, According to the Daily News and the Bergen Record, the Mets have also placed RHP Steven Register on waivers.
…i believe gotay will clear waivers, and be returned to the Mets, who like his bat, but worry about his defense…and now with the ankle injury, plus being out of options, i just can’t see how another team will pick him up…
…i’m worried, though, because i like gotay a lot…yes, i understand he has struggled on defense…but his bat is hard to deny, and too good to just throw away…
In seven appearances this spring for the Mets, Register has allowed four runs, no walks and 12 hits while striking out six in eight innings.
…from what i can gather, here’s how this will work…if register is not claimed in the next two days, he must be offered back to the Rockies…if the Rockies pass, he returns to the Mets and can be put in their minor-league system…however, if the Rockies accept him back, he’s on the Rockies, but can go back to the Mets if the two sides can work out a trade…lastly, if he is claimed off waivers, the team who claims register will get him…
…man, Brian Stokes and Joe Smith are really surging towards the 25–man roster it appears…so, if the Mets prefer stokes, with only one open slot in the pen, the move to put register on waivers was really their only option i guess…good luck…
Somebody explain the Register move. Anybody???
When you have a Rule V guy who you’re not keeping on your roster, you first put him on waivers and see if another team will claim him, and then offer him back to the original team. If no one else takes him, you get to keep him.
I’m much more concerned that they’re putting Gotay on waivers. That dude can flat-out hit, and the fact that they’re trotting out Luis Castillo every day this year instead of him makes me miserable. Castillo’s defense is not what it was — it’s okay, not better than that — and his bat leaves much to be desired.
I get all that – but why not keep him on roster – he’s been very good this spring – and they likely will be leaving Dirty behind to continue his rehab for awhile.
Eh, I haven’t seen him pitch, but 4 runs in 8 IP with 6 Ks is not special numbers. Maybe they want to carry Figueroa?
What is this team doing putting Gotay on waivers? If the Mets didn’t like his defense then why trade Jeff Keppinger for him? I know Gotay’s defense is below average, but he’s still fairly young and the kid can hit.
For all the good Omar has done, it’s like we just throw away players like Heath Bell, Brian Bannister and now Gotay. I don’t get it??
From what I can understand, if someone bites on the waivers, the Mets can still say ‘we changed our mind, we’ll keep him on the 25′, so they might just be testing whether he’ll clear waivers.
Another possibility would be they’re seeing whether the Cubs express interest in which case they could pull him off waivers, and ask about a deal for Murton. Just a thought.
I don’t like the Gotay move either. I thought he showed enough when he was playing last year to get a shot.
Castillo is a lot like Paul lo Duca at the plate. Slap hitter, bunch of singles. I don’t like the Mets philosophy the past few years that Reyes as leadoff means you can give away outs to move him to second. Gotay is a lot more likely to smack a double which will score Reyes from first.
Somebody (I think Cerrone, forgive me if it was someone else) compared Gotay to Melvin Mora yesterday. I think that is an apt comparison. Management never gave Mora respect or a shot when he was here and look what he’s done in an O’s uniform.
Castillo’s defense is like Delgado’s offense. A memory of what once was. I don’t think Gotay is really much worse in the field than Castillo and he’s much better at the plate. He may be a bit fragile though. That’s my biggest worry with him. I don’t see how another team doesn’t give him a shot.
I would assume there is some deal that if he clears waivers he doesn’t have the Rule V Draft restriction of having to be on the major league roster for the entire season. That is just a guess. It is better to put him on waivers now in order to keep him then to let him pitch the first 2 weeks, be great, then put him on waivers when Duaner is ready.
that sounds right. If you want any chance of keeping him around in the chance he pitches well but you don’t have the space for him, you put him on waivers now, before he’s impressed other teams. That’s the only logic I see in making the move now, so it makes some sense, rather then waiting and letting other teams get a look at him. I also don’t think the Mets want to be forced to keep a guy in fear of losing him, better to figure out now if anyone else wants him. I guess that might be what they’re thinking.
Ok so I read a little on wikipedia about the Rule 5 draft. If Register clears waivers he must be offered back to the Rockies. What the page doesn’t tell is what happens if the Rockies decline to take him back.
If they decline to take him back, he’s still a Met.
The only Register loses the Rule V restrictions is if he clears waivers. Then either the Rockies take him back (and I don’t see why they wouldn’t, they don’t have to make room on their roster to reclaim him) or he becomes a Met.
If someone claims him off waivers, the Rule V obligation transfers to the new team.
“…as for register, this is confusing…”
that’s for sure.
I thought he had to go back to Colorado if the Mets didn’t keep him in the majors.
As for Gotay, I’m guessing they will pull him back off waivers if someone claims him. They could then DL him for the start of the season.
While I love rooting for young players (and had a great time pulling for Gotay last year), his 2007 was probably a bit flukey. Nothing in his minor-league career suggests that he’s a hitting maching like he was before the Castillo trade.
If Gotay is claimed and lost, it wouldn’t be a big deal in the big picture. If he’s going to amount to anything at the major-league level, he needs to play semi-regularly—for a team like the Royals, the Giants, the Pirates, etc. Right now, he’d just languish on the bench—Reyes, Wright, and Castillo are everyday players.
Players do get hurt…who backs up Reyes and Wright? Is there anyone besides Anderson Hernandez in the minors that could play SS for an extended period? I think I’d rather keep Gotay.
Gotay would be no better at short or third defensively then Damien Easley or Marlon Anderson would be…..possibly the Stache too depending on his health. Tatis is an option at third as well.
yeah, i looked at his minor league record…he really doesn’t have much time on the left side of the infield.
Maybe you should look harder at Gotay’s numbers.
2002, A-ball, age 19: .285/.377.456 with 42 doubles
2004, AA, 21: .290/.373/.441
Basically, the Royals rushed him to the majors and hurt his development a lot.
When you can only come up with 2 examples of him hitting well in the minors, none of which were in the last 3 years. There’s a problem.
He hit .256 in AAA last year, .265 the year before, .245 in AA the year before that. His history indicates he’s nothing special offensively and that last year was likely a fluke, and adding in bad defense to that he is a fringe ML’er.
‘04 doesn’t look too bad…an OPS over .800 is pretty decent…plus he is only 25.
When you can only come up with 3 examples of Castillo hitting well in the majors, none of which are in the last 2 years, then there’s a problem.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/castilu01.shtml
Let’s face it. He’s getting old. He’s nothing special defensively. At least give Gotay the chance to play. He won’t be significantly worse than Castillo, chances are he’ll be better, and there’s a chance he’ll be much better.
adropofvenom: The dude was rushed to the majors at age 21 before he was ready, and that hurt his development. Even so, he put up okay numbers in his first year in the majors. Those numbers I posted earlier showed that the guy could hit, and hit well, before the Royals screwed him up, as they’ve screwed up many of their prospects over the past decade. As a Met, he showed some pop and I saw him have a lot of quality at-bats where he worked deep counts.
“if he is claimed off waivers, the team who claims register will get him”
that’s interesting…i would have thought Colorado had first dibs, but ok. Maybe the claiming team is under the same Rule V restrictions as the Mets were – keep him in the majors or offer back to Colorado…I guess that would make sense.
Yes, the claiming team would inherit the Rule V restrictions.
So in effect, Register’s clearing waivers removes his Rule V pick status and all of those roster rules that pertain to him?
Clearing waivers would trigger the Rule V, not remove it.
That’s the point at which the Rockies would choose whether to pay the $25k and put him anywhere in their organization, or let the Mets keep him.
I can’t imagine him staying a Met.
I just hope they know what they are doing. I would like to keep register.
On a side note anybody read the Nydailynews article that says arod regrets not signing with the mets in 2000. Anybody has any thoughts on that
conseco says he introduced arod to a roids dealer at one of his parties
O…so basically we traded Brian Bannister for Ambiorix Burgos…how’s Burgos doing anyway i havent seen him in almost a year…
bannister will get lit up this year. he was incredibly lucky last year.
We’ll see. Please come back and visit us if you are wrong about that.
Burgos is recovering from Tommy John, that’s why you haven’t heard about him. I wouldn’t count on seeing him until 2009.
Basically? We straight-up traded Bannister for Burgos. Gotay was acquired for Jeff Keppinger.
Ha!!!!! That’s a point that is difficult to argue.
santana, pedro, maine, ollie, pelfrey or el duque
wagner, sanchez, heilman, feliciano, sosa, schoeneweis
that’s 11 pitchers with pelfrey going to the minors. how was register going to make the roster? smith, figueroa (maybe 5th starter), stokes are in the running too.
mets had no choice.
Sanchez was going to start the year in extended spring training. Register was supposed to take his place. I don’t know about this move.
I would hope that it means that they think Sanchez is capable of starting the year in the Major Leagues. Either that or Joe Smith or Nelson Figueroa would have made the roster over him anyways.
register doesn’t just have to make the roster…the mets would be required to keep him in the majors all year. not going to happen unless sanchez is toast
Wouldn’t have to keep him all year, it’s just that if he ever clears waivers, Colorado gets dibs on him.
I’m slightly surprised as I don’t see the harm in letting him fill in until Dirty’s arm is fully up to strength and then DFAing him.
My head hurts
Very surprising. With teams needing so much bullpen help, I will be shocked if he doesn’t get picked up. I would have kept him at least into April and see how he performs in real games. Smith and Stokes have options and could have been sent to N.O. Puzzled to say the least.
Exactly. Unless the Mets have some deal in the works with Colorado for some IF/OF righty utility player for Register.
Smith has options,Stokes does not. I would have liked to see them keep Register to but one way or another they were going to lose one of their spare arms
If Stokes throws one pitch this year for the Mets I will eat my own shoes, I saw him pitch a couple times when I was in Port St lucie. He is terrible, he threw meatballs the size of my head.
how long will it take them to clear waivers, if they do
the braves or phils will pick him up, watch…
and i know i’m in the minority here, but joe smith stinks. I like the guy, i jocked him at the beginning of last year, but he has gotten his tits lit virtually every time he’s been out there….before u jump down my throat i KNOW he’s had some 1-2-3 innings, but I don’t think this kid is ready to contribute at the ML level just yet.
What does this all mean? I woulda kept register…but then again, a good point was brought up about puttin him on waiver when duaner comes back and what if register is kickin ars and takin names….
all i know is im going with 50 people to the mets phils april 19th in philly…fired upppp
I agree with you that Smith isn’t as good as advertised. I think you saw his pinnacle last year because the league had not seen him before. Now, they’ve adjusted and in the second half of the season fatigue set in on him. I like Register a lot more.
Now, with that said, it’s not the end for Register. If he clears waivers, he’s good, basically. But if not they have to get a deal together, if they want to keep him.
how does it work if gotay is claimed, can the mets pull him back or will they have to part with him.
he’s gone if claimed. there is no pulling back for no option guys like this.
This is not true.
The first time a player hits the waiver wire in the season, it’s revocable.
If the player has options, they don’t hit the waiver wire at all.
If they want him back they have to offer something back to the that specific team.
thanks, im not afraid to admit that ive never fully understood the process with options and waivers.
Yeah, it makes my head hurt all the time.
In most cases, if claimed, the Mets can either pull them back and work out a trade or let him go just to clear salary. I would assume they would try to work out a trade.
bigchart333,
don’t give up on Joe! look at his game logs from last year. you will notice that Willie used him for something like 4 out of 6 days in early May last season. Then you will notice that he was useless from that point onward last year.
Willie mismanaged poor young Joe last year and it hurt him big time.
Smith could be a fine ML caliber reliever, he just needs to be used a little more judiciously
None of these stories mention Gotay. What is the source that verifies that the Mets have put him on waivers as well?
Omar traded Keppinger for Gotay and knew what he was getting (good bat/avg glove). Why would he now give up on Gotay when he knew what he was getting in the first place?
Meanwhile the farm system gets more and more depleted.
Eventually, something’s going to have to give with Gotay. When Alou returns to the 25-man roster, and the Mets go with 12 pitchers (which by May is likely), the five bench players are going to be Castro, Anderson, Easley, Chavez, and probably a fifth outfielder (Pagan, Clark, or someone else like Reed Johnson whom Omar may try to pick up). Even if that last bench player is not a fifth outfielder, I’m sure the Mets would like it it to be a player who can hit left-handed pitching, which Gotay can’t. If Gotay’s long-term fate with the Mets is pretty much sealed, the question then becomes when is the right time to put him on waivers. It may be that now is the time because of the ankle injury — most teams don’t want to sign a guy without options, with an injury to boot, at this point in ST. I don’t know all the rules, but I’m assuming that if Gotay gets through waivers now, the Mets can then send him to AAA without losing him?
Also, aren’t these revocable waivers? Isn’t the idea that if someone claims Gotay, the Mets could either pull him back or work out a deal with that team so that they wouldn’t have to lose him for nothing?
This is another example of why the Players’ Association has got to start insisting that rosters be increased to 26 players per team. 25 was fine when everyone kept only 9 or 10 pitchers, but now that everyone seems to keep 12, the five man bench is ridiculous and must be adjusted.
That’s crazy! Nobody puts a gun to anyone’s head and says, “carry 12 pitchers.” If rosters were upped to 26, teams would carry 13, and in 5 years you’d want a roster of 27.
so true
I don’t want Brian Stokes on this team.. He stinks, and he’s not getting any better. If he couldn’t cut it with Tampa Bay, than what is he doing in NY? Register has been much better, but I understand the waiver situation because it seems increasingly likely that Nelson Figueroa makes the team as the 5th Starter. Maybe lightning in a bottle, but more likely, old urine in a bottle.
I think the thing working in favor of Stokes is his age and his power arm. Nothing else.
…man, Brian Stokes and Joe Smith are really surging towards the 25–man roster it appears…
Ew! I hope not!
Bummer on Gotay but kind of thought that may happen………….hopefully he clears and hits AAA for some depth. God knows they need it……Hernandez SS, Tatis 3B, Abreau 1B, Casaova C,
I guess this means Clark makes the team and Easley is the back up IF?…….Anderson in a pinch
Or maybe just maybe this clears the way for them to sign Reed Johnson which I would be thrilled
too bad for Register………Is Stokes in the same boat?………….Sanchez will likely get DL’d …….I like Joe Smith too……..but we shall see
Really not sure why people flip out about this Register move…..had to happen as he wasnt going to occupy a spot. They are packed already
Figuerroa, Smith and Stokes are going to the minors now or real soon anyways
It’s a #’s game
with healthy bodies the staff was already set and these guys are just fill ins right now
Our 12 are obviously:
Santana
Martinez
Perez
Maine
Hernandez
Wagner
Feliciano
Schoenweiss
Heilman
Sanchez
Sosa
Wise
Then it’s
Pelfrey
Vargas
Armas Jr
Figueroa
Smith
Stokes
Padilla
Burgos,etc
The only thing Matt Stokes is good for is for the pupose he has served to date, an extra arm to eat up innings in Spring Training. By no means is he a member of a championship bullpen. I would much rather keep a youngster with potential or someone such as Figueroa who can be a swing man if we ever need an emergency start. Keeping Matt Stokes makes no sense at all.
Padilla and Burgos are hurt so they aren’t in the equation. pelfrey isn’t ready, Armas Jr. has been here a few days, Vargas is probably a AAAA Pitcher and Joe Smith while good versus righties is a luxury we probably cannot afford.
it’ll be a mistake if they lose gotay. easley is a big asset off the bench. without gotay, they’ve got no one else to rest castillo and his knees.
the mets consistently choose veterans passed their prime to serve as back up. they need to give young guys like gotay a chance to keep the team energized and fresh. otherwise they are going to wear out reyes and castillo by late august.
it’ll be a mistake.
I agree , I liked Gotay cause he could sub for Castillo who will need it ………now it’s Easley and Anderson (and they complain about Gotays D?)
This means Clark makes the team to play vs some Lefties to start the yr…….barring a deal for a Matt Murton type……………….ALSO rotowire.com confirms REED JOHNSON IS A CUB
makes sense since he can platoon with Felix Pie
Gotay is playing right now…
Yeah I would have to think that the Gotay report is false….especially since he has a legitimate injury and the Mets could just put him on the DL and then bring him up through a rehab assignment…..
No reason to put him on waivers….that just wouldnt make sense….
And on RotoWorld they are saying Register, but nothing about Gotay.
Cerrone didn’t actually hear anything about Gotay on WFAN, he stole the story from a poster on a Mets message board (which he has done several times in the past). The problem was, the original poster misheard the information, WFAN at no time reported that Gotay was placed on waivers, and so Cerrone comes out of this looking like the jackass he is.
Well if you think that, why are you here reading?
I am not a Metsblog reader, I was referred here for this story when somebody claimed that Gotay was, indeed, placed on waivers and felt like I should try to set the record straight.
So in your mind if Matt did make an error, that makes him a “JackAss”? Every Newspaper in America has retractions everyday due to sources who provide incorrect information. Until YOU can do as Good of a Job at running a Blog such as this, as Matt does everyday, then you should keep your small minded comments to yourself. To come on here and berate Matt over a mistake pretty much makes YOU the JackAss!
I’m berating Matt because he steals information that other people find and posts it as his own, and this time he got caught in the lie.
MrMetsLuvChild,
Just to be clear…
Cerrone doesnt post retractions….
He hardly ever says “I made a mistake”…
He simply goes in, changes the information (with no time-stamped edit), and deletes user posts that call him out on his misinformation….
So the life of our posts here is winding down, as I am sure he will delete them and make an edit to the Gotay post once he notices what is going on….problem is, he doesnt have as much time to devote to the blog anymore since Metsblog became affiliated with SNY
I might be missing something here, but I don’t see how you can’t keep a guy as good as Gotay protected, especially considering his salary, years of service and the old aging players we have. I would have a harder time understanding one of the other 29 teams not scooping him up. And if we do, I believe we will regret it.
Right now Gotay is playing and on the team………….things can change and trades can happen
we shall see if their is any fine tuning