Comments on: Buzz: El Duque leads Pelfrey http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 22:48:01 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: mikey_FF http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-119112 mikey_FF Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:39:55 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-119112 Absolutely, Gina. You've been paying attention. The Twins scouts preferred Humber. It was stated in more than one media outlet. Absolutely, Gina. You’ve been paying attention. The Twins scouts preferred Humber. It was stated in more than one media outlet.

]]> By: Gina http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-119107 Gina Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:33:11 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-119107 The Mets never offered Martinez either but the twins made it clear they would prefer a deal with him. As far as I understand the twins scouts valued Humber over Pelfrey. The Mets never offered Martinez either but the twins made it clear they would prefer a deal with him. As far as I understand the twins scouts valued Humber over Pelfrey.

]]> By: jdon http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-119044 jdon Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:41:18 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-119044 for now, okay. but if this team had any brains they would try to get something for him and quick. he is 50 years old, will break down for a third year in september. how many kicks in the face do you take before you do something about it? for now, okay. but if this team had any brains they would try to get something for him and quick. he is 50 years old, will break down for a third year in september. how many kicks in the face do you take before you do something about it?

]]> By: jdon http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-119039 jdon Fri, 28 Mar 2008 14:38:43 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-119039 i would even take weaver. i have actually seen him pitch well at times. as long as it is not vargas. i ave seen him suck too many times. omar and his former amigos. i am sick of it. i would even take weaver. i have actually seen him pitch well at times. as long as it is not vargas. i ave seen him suck too many times. omar and his former amigos. i am sick of it.

]]> By: stickguy http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-118960 stickguy Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:47:51 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-118960 the only problem is, you can't really let a young guy "take his lumps" on a conteder, since you might risk missing the post season. Much easier on a crappy team like the Pirates, that isn't winning anything anyway! So it will always be a balancing act between getting the young guys the experience they need in the show, vs. winning games. That's why a run away year like 2006 is nice, you can experiment more. Finally, Duque is getting paid, and I think they want to run his carcass out there until he breaks down, to try and get some use out of him. Best case, he pitches OK until say end of June, with Plef dominating AAA, and then when Duque finally falls apart for the year, Pelf is ready to step in. the only problem is, you can’t really let a young guy “take his lumps” on a conteder, since you might risk missing the post season. Much easier on a crappy team like the Pirates, that isn’t winning anything anyway!

So it will always be a balancing act between getting the young guys the experience they need in the show, vs. winning games. That’s why a run away year like 2006 is nice, you can experiment more.

Finally, Duque is getting paid, and I think they want to run his carcass out there until he breaks down, to try and get some use out of him.

Best case, he pitches OK until say end of June, with Plef dominating AAA, and then when Duque finally falls apart for the year, Pelf is ready to step in.

]]> By: stickguy http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-118958 stickguy Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:41:10 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-118958 20 games is still not a lot for a SP to prove anything. There have been plenty of guys that have had very good careers that have stunk up the joint in their first year, and 20 games is about 2/3 of a full year. I can't get to stats from here, but Glavine for one was horrific. Even Maine took a few tries before he got it right! ANd, he is NOT the same pticher as he was then, so how can you assume that 20 iffy games (OK, 19 iffy, one great) 5-6 years ago means that he couldn't start today? 20 games is still not a lot for a SP to prove anything. There have been plenty of guys that have had very good careers that have stunk up the joint in their first year, and 20 games is about 2/3 of a full year.

I can’t get to stats from here, but Glavine for one was horrific. Even Maine took a few tries before he got it right!

ANd, he is NOT the same pticher as he was then, so how can you assume that 20 iffy games (OK, 19 iffy, one great) 5-6 years ago means that he couldn’t start today?

]]> By: andyglass1 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-118955 andyglass1 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:22:23 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-118955 FireIsiah - your comments are beyond well said - you absolutely hit it on the head. FireIsiah – your comments are beyond well said – you absolutely hit it on the head.

]]> By: theCoop http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-118952 theCoop Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:32:17 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-118952 Sorry Matt, you know I totally respect your opinion but how anyone would be happy for Duque to be the 5th man in the rotation is out of his freaking gourd dude! Pelfrey is the future - sending him to AAA to work on his "stuff" isn't going to do anything but damage his head, which is basically the only thing keeping him away from the majors. let him take his licks with the big boys. Last year he was thrust into a lose-lose situation, with no Pedro, an aging Glavine, not to mention Duque not being able to stay healthy and a young Maine and Pea. who were the saving grace. This just perpetuates the myth about this team not caring about young guys. Duque is lucky he has a contract with any team. I think he should just man up and retire already, the dude is already like 73. NEXT! Sorry Matt, you know I totally respect your opinion but how anyone would be happy for Duque to be the 5th man in the rotation is out of his freaking gourd dude! Pelfrey is the future – sending him to AAA to work on his “stuff” isn’t going to do anything but damage his head, which is basically the only thing keeping him away from the majors. let him take his licks with the big boys. Last year he was thrust into a lose-lose situation, with no Pedro, an aging Glavine, not to mention Duque not being able to stay healthy and a young Maine and Pea. who were the saving grace. This just perpetuates the myth about this team not caring about young guys. Duque is lucky he has a contract with any team. I think he should just man up and retire already, the dude is already like 73. NEXT!

]]> By: sincekindergarten http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-118951 sincekindergarten Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:18:51 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-118951 I wouldn't be surprised if El Duque gets up near 87 or so today. He'll be closer to 90 than 80. Also, I seem to remember that Tom Glavine got by with a fastball that was closer to 80 than 90 for a while. Yeah, he's a lefty, and he was harder-headed than Hernandez, but he survived. I wouldn’t be surprised if El Duque gets up near 87 or so today. He’ll be closer to 90 than 80.

Also, I seem to remember that Tom Glavine got by with a fastball that was closer to 80 than 90 for a while. Yeah, he’s a lefty, and he was harder-headed than Hernandez, but he survived.

]]> By: UpperDeck4Life http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-118946 UpperDeck4Life Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:53:39 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/27/buzz-el-duque-leads-pelfrey/#comment-118946 BTW, we had NONE in 80-82. 79-83 was a rough time, man! BTW, we had NONE in 80-82. 79-83 was a rough time, man!

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