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According to Adam Rubin, at his blog for the Daily News, Ruben Gotay was told by the Mets that he has been put on waivers.
To hear from Gotay, who says his sprained ankle is fine, check out Rubin’s report.
Gotay, with tears in his eyes, as quoted by Newsday:
“I did a good job and didn’t deserve this.”
…this stinks, because i like gotay…sure, he is not the best defensive player in the league, far from it, but he can hit…
In 190 at-bats for the Mets last season, Gotay hit .290 with 16 extra base hits.
However, he hit just .194 in 36 at-bats against left-handed pitchers, compared to hitting .318 against righties.
…this, plus the ankle, plus being out of options, plus his defense, is why gotay may end up on another team…which is a real shame…especially since Fernando Tatis will likely make the squad instead…which is not to say tatis is a bad player, it’s just that gotay is young, and a strong hitter, with an upside…whereas, tatis is what he is…
…hopefully, ruben clears waivers - for much of the same reasons he was put on waivers - and ends up back with the Mets…
For what it’s worth, Gotay was designated for assignment in February, 2007, and cleared waivers.
He was acquired from the Royals during 2006 for 2B Jeff Keppinger, who was cut by the Royals, and then hit .332 in 67 games for the Reds.
It would be a shame to lose this guy. Before they re-upped Castillo I was all for starting him at 2B and letting Easley caddy him. His glove needs work, no doubt, but I like his swing. Hopefully he makes it through waivers.
excuse me everyone…
Fernando Tatis better be a gold glover defensive player after all this nonsense
Tatis plays first, second, third and the outfield. He’s an average fielder, but his versatility makes him more valuable than Gotay (so the argument goes).
Tatis does not play all of those positions. He’s a career third baseman. Look at the numbers.
He is a career 3B, but he’s at least been tried at the ML level in LF, RF, 2B, SS and 1B. Granted, I’m talking about a total of 70 innings or so combined, but obviously someone thinks he’s versatile enough to man those spots. Didn’t we even hear Minaya say yesterday that he liked Tatis because of his pop and his versatility?
Yeah, Minaya said that. But i think he’s full of crap. Tatis isn’t a particularly gifted athlete, his best days are behind him, and yet he’s going to learn a bunch of new positions on the fly and be productive at the same time?
Someone like Easley is a much better athlete and much better suited to take on a utility role later in his career. Tatis is portly and not that productive anymore.
I don’t necessarily disagree that a versatile RH with some pop off the bench is probably more valuable than Gotay. If Easley can play SS, then yeah, I would love to have that player on the bench.
The problem is, Tatis is not that player. He’s not even close. It’s not worth the cost of carrying him. And we just got older, yet again.
Did you think that Valentin was that player when we signed him? Give Tatis a chance.
The older part has got to stop. Tatis is not that old and what does it matter if your bench is old? They don’t have a future with the team either way. Every teams bench changes year to year. It’s not like we are grooming him to take someone’s spot.
Valentin was a MUCH better player than Tatis over his career. And he’s a MUCH better athlete than Tatis. It’s not a good comparison.
Career OPS+:
Tatis: 99
Valentin: 96
It seems reasonable to me.
More than 20% of Tatis’ career OPS is generated from his 1999 season at the age of 24. He posted a 139 OPS+ that year. He’s been legitimately awful besides that.
And he’s a prime suspect for juicing.
Agreed in general.
Does not have to be because he adds other things to the team. He can play more than one position including 3B/1B and OF well. He can hit RH. Those are 2 things the Mets need that Gotay can’t do.
if he cleared waivers…could he come up and down between AAA all year or would he have to pass waivers again or simply must stay in either AAA or at the big league level.
Im confused
he would just need to pass through waivers once.
after which he could then be jockeyed up and down between AAA and ML if need be?
yep, just once per year and then it is as if he still has options remaining. I also think that it would make him eligible to be traded after 7/31, but I am not positive if he would have to pass through again for that.
your the best. Thanks for educating me
Not quite – he can be moved about until the end of the “waiver period”
Looks like that ends on the trade deadline – July 31st
OK, I just double checked the official rule-
There are 3 different time periods during the season for waivers: 11/11 through the 30th day of the season, 31st day of the season through 7/31, and 8/1 through 11/10.
I think this means that in order to send down a player without options like Gotay within the first month of the season, he would need to clear waivers now. If he opens the year on the ML roster and they want to send him down after the first month, he would need to clear again, and if they want to trade him after 7/31 he would need to clear at that time.
If anyone else knows if I am right or not, please let us know, but that is the best I can interpret.
Donald Fehr working his magic. What a piece of sht that guy is.
This is a bad move IMO.
Start Gotay on the DL… See what develops… Tatis doesn’t do anything for me…
Unless the Dodgers announce Chan Ho Park is on their team. Then Tatis is the best player in the world for that one day.
Heh put him in the clean up spot then.
You know..this is a very good point. He’s got a sprained ankle or whatever, claim it’s worse than it is, put him on the DL..it’s a lot safer. But of course, there is something deeper going on, and him opening his mouth is not a good thing in this place.
I like Gotay, but I don’t see it as a great loss.
He’s a good hitter in short work, but put him there for 600 ABs, i think he’d be exposed….
What does that have to do with keeping Tatis over him? Tatis sucks and has no upside.
“Sucks” is a terrific argument…
How about the split stats Matt posted? under .200 as a righty hitter for a heavy lefty team?! I think THAT is the common sense needed here…not some forlorn feelings for a young kid doesn’t light it up from the side of the plate we would need him for.
And PLEASE, EWM, save that horsesh*t with scneider and church (granted, you may have a point with Pagan, but he is needed more than Gotay).
Schneider has been a starter for years and he put up comparable (important) offensive numbers to the hero Paul Lo Duca.
Ryan Church is a solid hitter with much more service time than Gotay, so, your argument here is (again) weak.
Boo-hoo, a marginal player is put on waivers (not yet cut)…Omar is so stupid and i am so smart..WAAAAAA
Hmm.. a hitter being exposed when they get 600 ABs? Kinda like Schnieder? Or Church? Or Angel Freakin Pagan???
This team needs a VP of Common Sense to borrow from Bill Simmons.. countless stupid acts lead up to Gotay having no choice but to be on waivers…
Who’se gonna play SS if Reyes goes down mid game? Tatis??
It would not be Gotay any way. Easley and Tatis have as many or more innings there than Gotay.
it wouldn’t have been gotay so your argument is moot. when was the last time he played short? he can’t hit lefties which is what the mets needed.
Gotay played 5 games at short last season and started 2.
And when Gotay was healthy this spring all he played was 2nd base. The Mets do not think he is capable of being a utility player and has more value in a trade as a 2B.
I’m pretty sure I can play short if Reyes goes down mid game. Consider my services on the table. And I’ll take merely half of what Jose gets.
Hell, I’ll do it for half of what Gotay gets!
Gotay played short when Reyes came out yesterday. Also does anybody else want to tell us what Omar and the rest of the FO thinks about him or other players? I mean you guys must be the ones they call for input since you say things like they were fact. ” It would not be Gotay anyway.” “The Mets do not think he is capable of being a utility player and has more value in a trade as a 2B.” You get that from Omar himself? Willie give you a call and said this to you? Or is this all speculation like FMart has to be included in the trade for Santana? Believing something said by some sports writer or sports analyst. How about just typing “IMO” before you make such statements. Because IMO, if Gotay was able to hit right-handed as well as he does left-handed, this conversation wouldn’t be going on. He’d be the IF utility guy. But he doesn’t so that is the reason he’s on waivers, the fact he cant hit right-handed and they need the right-handed bat. Not for any reason other than that.
There we go, they got what they wanted (WR and Minaya) which was Gotay off the Mets, they were obviously going to go with anyone but Gotay.
Good luck with Tatis Willie.
Stupid stupid stupid vet bias once again.
Why don’t we look at this a little more rationally. It’s not a vet vs. young player issue . Gotay can’t hit lefties and is, at best, a questionable glove in the field. He doesn’t provide balance in the line-up and he hurts you in the field. It’s about having the 25 players who are most suited in helping you to win everyday. It’s not about age, ego or anything else you care to contrive.
Tatis provides right-handed pop, can play the infield corners as well as outfield corners. He has more value to the team than Gotay does.
Thank you, voice of reason.
I’ve always been a Gotay supporter, but Tatis makes more sense. I advocated for him getting a shot on the bench last season, where he was productive at AAA.
A voice of reason??? A guy who hasn’t played in the majors in how long has more upside then a guy who proved he could hit pitching last year???
You are crazy…. and we have no backup for Reyes now… we already have marlon and damon easly for the corner spots.. we don’t need Tatis…
It’s not a question of who has more upside, it’s a question of who helps us win now. There’s a strong case to be made that Tatis’ ability to hit lefties far exceeds Gotay’s, and that Tatis is more versatile than Gotay.
And really… Gotay is a below-average defensive second baseman, and you want to play him at short if Jose goes down? Tatis is just as capable of being a crappy defensive backup at SS as Gotay.
Even with Gotay we don’t have a back up SS. How many innings has he played there this season?
All I want to know is.. if Reyes goes down mid game… and we don’t have the day to get a-hear up.. whose playing SS?
Thats all I wanna know… our payroll is what in the 150 range? We have a roster with no depth at the SS position?
That’s horrible!
since when is the 25th man about upside? The 25th man is about providing the manager late inning flexibility in the line-up and on the field.
And Gotay hitting? The only thing he could hit is right hand pitching. Adding another left-handed hitter with Marlon Anderson and Endy Chavez significantly limits PH flexibility from the right side. I like Gotay, but in reality he’s a one trick poney. He hits right handed pitching and that’s about it.
Are you seriously knocking Gotay because he only hits right handed pitching?? Like Church?? Like half of our lineup???
i bet easly could play ss, or marlon…
or move wright over and let one of them play 3b.
honestly, if reyes goes down mid-game, the last thing on my mind would be who is going to replace him on the field for 3 innings. It wouldnt matter anyway, because no met fan would see the replacement play…. we would all have our faces buried in our hands.
Reyes plays more than anyone, we have aging players at LF and 1B and injuries. Why carry someone just to play SS. You mean that a guy like Easley who has played 100+ games there can’t do it for a few innings?
He’s talking about the versatility of the bench, not the starting lineup… Two different things.
EXACTLY, Extra!
Like all of the guys in our line-up, Gotay only hits righties well….WE NEED MORE BALANCE!
Why can’t you understand that?
It’s too bad that we can’t morph Gotay and A-Hern into one player…
I agree with Gotay on this one, he didn’t deserve this. Fernando friggin Tatis. You can keep him and his low .200 avg in the minors.
His lifetime ML batting average is .260. His last season in the majors, he hit .250 with a 107 OPS+ (better than Gotay’s last year, 103). Tatis’ last two seasons at AAA he hit .298 and .276. Where are you getting this “low .200 average” stuff?
Dude it’s AAA.. which means.. I’m not good enough to be on the roster…
Gotay put up comparable numbers ( are you really resting yor arguement on a .004 OPS difference).. when one player produced IN THE MAJORS in 07.. and one was in the minors??
This argument is laughable
Um, I was just pointing out that Tatis doesn’t hit for a “low .200 average” as the above poster stated.
and his last season in the majors was when?
tatis is a laughable option.
Okay, so laugh at it. People laughed at the idea of having Endy Chavez and Jose Valentin on the roster as well, and how did that work out?
endy and stache had more than 56 major league ABs in the preceding four seasons.
I understand that. My point is that just because a player is deemed washed up or over-the-hill, doesn’t mean that he is.
People said that Endy was a AAAA outfielder at best, and he’s an integral part of our bench. People said that Valentin was worthless and a waste of a roster spot after hitting .170 in 50+ games for the Dodgers before we signed him. And yet, he became our starting 2B and did a solid job for us.
I understand that people want Gotay over Tatis. I get that. But it’s silly to hammer Tatis before we’ve even given him a chance to help us, when we’ve seen in years past that Minaya has done a solid job identifying otherwise unwanted parts and turning them into contributors.
Tatis is this years Ben Johnson.
We gave up all star bull pen talent for Tatis??? :-)
Did anyone see that play he made yesterday at third? Charging in on a weird hop grounder. His glove ain’t that bad.
When Tatis was younger and a good player, he was a very good defensive 3B.
Funny how I saw Gotay charge that tough hop and make the play at shortstop yesterday, but I forgot, someone said he hasn’t played there yet this spring.
This seems idiotic. As I wrote yesterday, I might be missing something here, but as I’ve seen many times over the years, I might well not be missing anything. I don’t think he will clear waivers. This is just the kind of kid that Tony La Russa, the A’s, Giants or somebody will jump right on. If he is weak defensively, which I’m not even totally convinced of, it is a bad reflection of the Mets coaching, particularly Willie Randolph a former 2B himself, that they couldn’t help him improve – or is it a claim that he is genetically not capable of playing solid ML defense. This guy was terrific. Yes, if he’s hurt, put him on the DL, I say. Too late now. Yes, if we get him back and don’t have to worry about the “options” issue, then it will have worked out well, but it wasn’t worth the gamble, I’d say.
They can pull him back if he is claimed or ask for something in return, just wait and see what happens.
They can pull him back if he is claimed? Is That True?
As far as I know, is that not how these waivers work? The Mets can ask for something in return and if they don’t get it then the claim is dead. Only problem is that if they put him on waivers again after that they can’t pull him back. I think.>???? Maybe someone can help us out on this.
I believe you are correct. If he were on “irrevocable waivers”, then if a team claimed him the Mets could do nothing. In this case, he can be pulled back by the Mets if claimed.
you’re righ therealsince86, but hey, let’s have a freak out party over a marginal major leaguer anyway!
I wonder if people realize how many players are put on waivers each year. Manny is every year it seems like.
I would not be surprised if Delgado, Alou, and Elduque are all on waivers this season. If anyone claims them then you just pull them back. Its all about options.
that it is, and even more so, its about options with Gotay, which he is out of, which is probably why no team will pick him up, because no one can commit to keeping Gotay on their 25 man roster.
Well, Manny and the star-caliber players are put on waivers to gauge interest from other teams. Placing Gotay on waivers may be to gauge interest to a degree, but it’s also to see if we can stick him in AAA.
Darkstar, according to Evan Roberts, he’s the next Melvin Mora :)
yeah, of course he thinks that, like many Mets fans on this board, they want to make something of everything, every move is a potential disaster, every player we may lose is a potential star.
Roberts and Benigno also though that Victor Diaz was the next Manny Ramirez a few years ago? Where is Diaz now? A career minor league player trtying to be the 25th man on the roster. Their ability to scout and project a player and build a 25 man roster is laughable. Their knowledge doesn’t add up to the ego.
WFAN should be embarrassed by their interview with Omar last Friday. It was just awful.
OK; thanks to all of you. I obviously needed a lesson on this. So, unless it is irrevocable waivers, then we can pull him back. So, I’ll calm down and hope that we can keep him and get some more options on him or however it works.
Bat’s good, but his fielding is not. I forget, why can’t he spend the year in AAA?
Been on the 40 man roster to open up the season too many times.
This is such a stupid move. For many, many reasons. I can’t rationally discuss it.
Calm down, Gotay will most likely pass through waivers. Not many teams will want a player that has to stay on the roster, can’t play defense and can’t hit lefties and is still not completely healthy. Try and get him through waivers now so that later when he is healthy you don’t have to worry about it.
Many players are put on waivers.
The Mets can let him go for almost nothing.
They can pull him back
They can ask the claiming team for a player in return that actually fits what we need. It’s not a big deal.
If I have read the waiver rules correctly, if he passes through he would have more trade value than before because the acquiring team can send him down with out losing him. Maybe they swing him to the Cubs for Murtton then.
Just wait and see how this plays out before you start.
“I might be missing something here, but as I’ve seen many times over the years, I might well not be missing anything.”
You’re not missing anything, if you are a reader between the basball lines – which i’m sure you are you will have noticed that, Randolph especially does not want this kid on the team, never did, he and Omar’s dreamboat bench player is the ancient, bent and toothless Javier Valentin – but he’s too banged up (seemingly) for even thier taste.
So, another solution has to be found, although of course with Gotay never in the mix, it now has to be Tatis.
Tatis will give Mets fans another reason to give WR a hard time.
Another club will be over Gotay like a cheap suit.
Well this sucks….
First and foremost, I think we can all agree that we would love to see Ruben clear waivers and remain with the organization. But in truth, his loss won’t be all too significant for us. I think we all fell in love with the kid when he stepped up last year and assumed the starting spot for a good amount of time, and exceeded all expectations. It was the first time since Fonzie back in the day that Mets fans really felt like they had someone with a little pizzazz at that spot, albeit for a brief time. Valentin held his own a couple years ago and was great on defense, but he totally sucked from the right side (like Ruben, who wasn’t overly exposed to LHP last year) and in general gave off a very blahhh feeling, at least to me personally, when he was up at bat. And we all know how Mr Alomar worked out for us… Anyhow, when Minaya swung the deal for Castillo at the deadline that was pretty much the beginning of the end for Gotay, concluding with the ridiculous four year deal (speaking of which, why aren’t El Duque and Alou locked up past this year? What is Minaya thinking?!) At the end of the day, Gotay really has no spot here, at least for the time being. Assuming Castillo stays healthy, and can play 145 games this year, which I think at least in year 1 of the contract should be reasonable, Gotay’s role is what exactly? #2 lefty PH? Anderson far and away deserves first dibs in a big time spot, and Easley will serve as the primary IF/OF backup from the right side. Endy needs no explanation really, and outperforms Gotay in all aspects but power. Pagan has earned the right to start the season off in LF (we’ll see how long this holds up until Moises’s return), so it really comes down to Clark/Tatis vs Gotay. Being that the other two play OF and can bat from the right side (Gotay can’t, period), Ruben really doesn’t have a spot, especially with Easley and Anderson as very capable backups at 2b (can’t imagine DWRIGHTMVP getting too many days off this year, though we know Reyes will get the occassional spell, I’m not sure it will happen as often as Willie is planning unless we’re running away with the division). Of course, if Castillo goes down in a month (or God forbid David/Jose do) and we have lost Gotay, there will be a TON of second-guessing. But for right now, it makes sense. My only question now is, considering Gotay’s mediocre at best defensive ability, and the Mets willingness to convert players like Marlon and Easley to OF (not to mention Tatis), why was a move to the OF never even mentioned with Ruben???
I think it was and even tried a little but it did not work. I remember some reports about it. If I were Gotay I would have had the OF glove and 1B mitt ready to go this season. If he had spent the entire offseason getting ready to be the super sub he may have had a spot but right now he’s just another 2B man.
what is wrong with people? losing Gotay is not exactly hurting the future success of this team.
this is purely a business decision. I’d be surprised if anyone claims him. he’s out of options. I just don;t see anyone willing to keep him on a roster spot.
he feels like he didn;t deserve this. well, he didn;t deserve a roster spot either on a tema competing for a championship.
I think he will clear waivers and be back with the Mets.
Wow…you people are crazy!!! It’s Ruben “friggin” Gotay!! Is he the one player to get them to the World Series?? NO!! Let this play out!! Jeez!!
It seems idiotic to me to risk losing Gotay–who, for all of his deficiencies, is young and has upside–for the sake of Tatis, who spent all of last year at triple-A and has not been a viable major leaguer for several years.
If Gotay sticks around and winds up playing in New Orleans, then I suppose that’s better than having him rot on the bench. And maybe there are personality issues here we don’t know about. But the Mets desperately need to get younger, and hanging on to has-beens and retreads like Tatis at the expense of guys like Gotay is exactly what they should not be doing.
It really does not matter if your bench is young or not. Gotay has no future spot on the team. You can always find veterans to be on the bench that can do as well as Gotay.
last time we got rid of a 2nd baseman that cried oover it he ended up being arguably the best hitting 2nd baseman of our generation (jeff kent). hopefully that doesnt happen again.
Jeff Kent had spent four seasons as a ML regular and produced very well before we moved him. You’re comparing Kent, and his 1700 ML ABs pre-trade, to Gotay and his 600 (with an OPS of 81 to boot)???
i guess i really need to start labeling my serious comments and my joke comments.
If Tatis is so valuable, why wasn’t he called up in September when the team clearly could have used another righty bat on the bench (especially since Conine provided nothing after being traded)? Tatis was coming off a pretty good AAA season and the Mets didn’t even give him a look.
Maybe they like what he did this spring, they need an OF and a backup IF and wanted to let Conine play.
I was just putting it out there. I don’t think Tatis could have magically improved that much this spring to warrant a roster spot now, when he wasn’t even called upon when you can expand the rosters in September. I’m thinking this is a smokescreen and the Mets are about to acquire another bench player.
If we get Ruben back, send him down to the minors and teach him to play 1b. We may need him at that spot sooner then we’d like.
Delgado on an off year will put up better numbers than Gotay’s career year.
I meant if he got hurt. Fat chance Delgarbage ever gets benched with his salary.
It’s not about his salary. Look at his production last year in his worst year ever. It is much more than Gotay could give us.
Of course, you’d disparage Delgado–MORON!
He practically has HOF #s. What’s up w/ the friggin’ hostility towards one of the game’s very best power hitters?!
In the words of Parcells: “STUPID! STUPID! STUPID!”
I’d actually try him out all over the place. Play him some at short, some in the outfield. At this point, he needs to become more versatile if he’s going to have a spot on the team (assuming he clears waivers).
If the team thinks he can’t handle 2B, there’s no chance they let him play SS. Also, Anderson Hernandez is a lock for our AAA SS spot.
I will just dream that he goes in a deal for Murton. Now that would really help the team IMO.
Well, the Cubs are loaded with righty bats, and with the Roberts deal being pulled off the table for now, they’re probably looking to acquire another infielder, if only to back up DeRosa (who’s had a rough spring health-wise). That might not be a far-fetched idea.
I would guess the Cubs would ask for more than Gotay. Reading the Chicago papers, you get the sense that they like Murton, and would just as soon keep him at AAA as insurance.
I think if Gotay had options they would do the deal for him and Smith. However, they don’t want to just lose him if they have to send him down. Thus, if Gotay can clear waivers then he becomes more valuable.
The nostalgia is very touching. However, the Mets are in a position where they do not have roster spots to play with. We aren’t the Nationals, or the Royals. We are a legitimate WS contender. I really enjoy Gotay, and I hope that he clears waivers. But, until we make a move to get a Murton-type player, we need to have Tatis over Gotay purely because of the makeup of our team.
It’s not so much that the Mets do not like him, but they have to make the most of what they have, or should i say, are allowed to have (25 man roster).
Hey, wait are you using logic? That is rare when it comes to fan favorites,
I’m not lamenting the loss of Gotay. I like the guy, but his lack of versatility, defensive ability and the inability to hit lefties doesn’t make him a good fit for the opening day roster. It’s strange, but the guy we traded Gotay for (Keppinger) would be far more valuable right now to this team, as currently constituted.
I guess I am the only one that doesn’t see the overwhelming need for another RH hitter off the bench. I’d rather have the better player.
Well, if you’re someone that thinks we DO need another RH bat off the bench, the Tatis is the better player.
But if that better player can only play 1 position and is not the backup at it, then you have to have versatility.
Mets are stupid. This guy has value, maybe not a lot but he’s more than a fat slog like Tatis (Minaya must have some good dope if he thinks Tatis could play every IF position except SS).
This isn’t just about poor defense and inability to hit lefties. If it was, then Delgado should be packing his bags, too (which I hope we see). It is about being a veteran.
The Mets aren’t going to win anything if they keep using old, ailing, stiff veterans. For once, inject some youth into this team.
Maybe Gotay does have value and we can get something for him in return. You do realize there is a big difference in waiving and releasing right?
Can Joe and Evan shut up already? This is all they have talked about the past 3 days! He’s a backup infielder! Castillo is the starter and just signed a long term contract.
trs86 you and i are both on board for trading gotay for something of value to us (murton) but i thought if gotay is claimed we pretty much have to trade him to that team for something or just simply give him to them.
I think we can pull him back if we don’t like what they offer.
nope… this is the first time Gotay’s been waived during this waiver period, so the Mets have 48 hours after a team claims him to negotiate a deal, take him back, or give him away for nothing.
yes, send Delgado packing, now that makes for a sane point…why don’t we just trade for Mark Teixeira to replace him? And while we’re at it, Prince Fielder too, so we can stick someone in the minors for back up.
I wouldn’t be shocked if Manny Acta goes after him for the Nats.
If they did not already have a log jam at 2B.
I don’t think this is a good move, but I could see why the Mets are trying to do it. Ideally, the best scenario for the Mets is that he clears waivers, but I don’t know how likely that is.
1. How many games would Gotay potential start in 2008? +/- 15
2. How many PH PAs would Gotay get? +/- 50 (assuming he was the #1 option)
3. Can the PH PAs be replaced by a similar or better hitter and, if so, how many PH PAs would he then get as a second or third option? Yes, Easley or Anderson are better options of the bench. He would be left with 25 PH PAs
4. Is Gotay a future starter (menaing in the next 2-3 years) for this team? No.
We all have to keep this in perspective. He is the 26th man at best, considering when Alou comes back, Pagan will stay up. Whether it is Tatis, Clark, or Gotay, they will be sent down in May.
I like Gotay, but this is not signigicant. Besides, it does not mean he will not make the team, it is giving the Mets flexibility over the next 3-5 days to make a decision. Clark and Tatis have not had their contrats purchased yet.
Right, lets say that when Alou comes back we want to keep Pagan up for a little while to rest Alou and want to send Gotay down. Well we can’t so we have to send Easley down, can’t do that either. Anderson? Nope? Chavez uh nope. So then our hands are tied. However, if Gotay clears waivers, which he has a better chance right now because of his injury, he can go down for a couple of weeks.
Why can’t people understand its about flexibility?
very nice explanation there therealsince86, however, most fans don’t care for rational thought and reality, they prefer to be irrational, and think every potential move is a disaster waiting to happen, just because…well there is no good reason. Maybe it’s because they think only the Mets send away players that become good players elsewhere, and every other major league team keeps all their good players, and only gets rid of bad ones, and therefore all teams except the Mets have a bunch of home grown rosters full of stars. Melvin Mora? A guy improving down the line? Never! Either way, my guess is in 3 days, Gotay is in our minor league system.
That’s a good question, how long does the waiver period last? Are they on waivers for a week or what?
it’s within 3 business days if no team claims him, if a team claims him, the two teams can have 2 days to work out a trade, if not, they can either rescind or let him go.
I thought it was 24 hours, but I could be wrong.
This is what I found on wikipedia:
Any player under contract may be placed on waivers at any time. If a player is waived, any team may claim him. If more than one team claims the player from waivers, the team with the lowest record in the player’s league gets preference. If no team in the player’s league claims him, the claiming team with the lowest record in the other league gets preference. In the first month of the season, preference is determined using the previous year’s standings.
If a team claims a player off waivers and has the viable claim as described above, his current team (the “waiving team”) may choose one of the following options:
arrange a trade with the claiming team for that player within two business days of the claim; or
rescind the request and keep the player on its major league roster, effectively canceling the waiver; or
do nothing and allow the claiming team to (1) assume the player’s existing contract, (2) pay the waiving team a waiver fee, and (3) place the player on its active major league roster.
If a player is claimed and the waiving team exercises its rescission option, the waiving team may not use the option again for that player in that season. If no team claims a player from waivers in three business days, the player has cleared waivers and may be assigned to a minor league team, traded, or released outright.
The waiver “wire” is a secret within the personnel of the Major League Baseball clubs; no announcement of a waiver is made until a transaction actually occurs. Many players are often quietly waived during the August “waiver-required” trading period to gauge trade interest in a particular player. Usually, when the player is claimed, the waiving team will rescind the waiver to avoid losing the player unless a trade can be worked out with the claiming team.
1. Under
2. Over
3. Yes, less than 50
4. No
Good work!
Very good points, some which I’ve overlooked. But I agree with you on this. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more I think it could be a win-win for the Mets. I know they have a log-jam at second, and offering Gotay straight up doesn’t generate that much interest. If he’s claimed, the Mets can make a deal, and if not he becomes insurance in the minors. So this move could make a lot of sense.
I’m so glad I read through this whole column before being irrational like most people have. This move makes great sense for a bunch of different reasons that people have been logically stating in here.
This move only makes “great sense” if Gotay clears waivers. If another team snatches him up for nothing, and all we have to show for it is FERNANDO-FREAKIN-TATIS, it will be a very sad day for true Mets fans.
A sad day for true Mets fans? True Mets fans value team success over an attachment to one backup-caliber infielder, IMO.
It’s fine that you’re upset about possibly losing Gotay, but I don’t get what being a “true” Mets fan has to do with any of this.
I’m pretty sure that overall team success and keeping FERNANDO-FREAKIN-TATIS on the roster are inversely proportional.
That being said, I went a bit overboard with the true Met fan statement. But please understand:
If Keppinger continues to produce the way he did last season for the Reds, and Gotay is picked up by another team and thrives there (which I have faith he will, I don’t think his bat is a fluke) and, as stated earlier, as we have to show for it is the roster spot being taken up by a one-season-wonder, it will be a disaster.
I hear ya and agree.
Metszelaar, what don’t you get. If he is claimed we can simply pull him back and be in the EXACT SAME POSITION we are at with Gotay right now. We can put him on the DL to start the season or keep him on the 25 man roster.
This is a smart move so that we can still start him on the DL (because the 48 hour window will elapse before monday)
I’ll preface my remarks with this: I have been an unconditional supporter of Minaya, after he took a team in utter disarray and brought, if not into the playoffs, at least into the discussion, and for that I am grateful….but…
I’m in agreement with Ruben on this one, He didn’t deserve this. I recall several occasions last year, when I shuddered at the memory of Julio Franco, bouncing predictably to second, and thought to myself how very fortunate the Mets were to have Gotay and Marlon Anderson to pick up a bat in a critical situation. They both came through time and again.
I lay this at Omar’s feet, not just because he makes the ultimate personnel decisions, for if I truly believed that he felt that Tatis would become more valuable, I would bite my tongue and trust his judgment, for the reasons I’ve already stated…but…
I honestly believe that the GM’s judgment is being clouded by the fact that he was the scout (for Texas, I believe) who originally signed Tatis in the late 90’s. I think he is being stubborn and wants to try to prove that his assessment of this player was correct, after all. He’s letting his ego interfere with what is best for the club.
Endy singled, Pagan walked, 2-run double Marlon Anderson, RBI single Church.
Uh, sorry, wrong thread, LOL.
he cannot be pulled back, and if he clears waivers, he is a free agent, able to sign wherever
I doubt we will see Gotay again
Uh, what? He can be pulled back and he’s not a free agent if he clears.
there are 2 types of waivers
irrevocable waivers means he is being released from his contract….he can’t be pulled back and if no one claims him he is a free agent and can sign with any team, even his old one
I get that. No one has said though that he’s been put on irrevoacble waivers. Did I miss that somewhere?
this is a crime.
- tatis hasn’t hit over .250 since 2001!
- he’s had 56 at bats in the past 4 years!
- 17 errors in 2002-3 and 148 games!
gotay played hard. hit well off the bench or starting. and wasn’t a disaster in the field.
What will happen if Easley and Castillo are tired and injured at the same time?
The Mets consistently choose older mediocre players to fill their bench over young guys with potential.
it’s a crime!!
i dont understand the mets sometimes. they seem to form these negative perceptions of people and then it becomes impossible to change that perception. i wonder if it’s a character issue, u know how the mets can be overly concerned wit that crap
this is stupid. i hope this non-sense comes back and bite omar’s dumb-ass down the line