I’m not even making a reference to your post really, just commenting the idea that the mets build their team to be old.

I’m surprised he’s gone but I wish him well.
I think he’s going to be good. But then, I thought
Mo Vaughn was going to be good.

Gotay is an absolutely horrible, horrible defensive player. He might be decent enough against righties, but he would never crack our regular lineup with his horrid defense. Anybody who thinks we’re losing some future star should get a grip. If he played 160 games at 2B he’d probably make at least 30 errors.

So while it be nice to have a young guy with some pop just in case, with him having no options it wasn’t going to happen.

There’s a reason the Royals gave up on him.

future star, no. but a good bench guy.

To whoever wrote Gotay would have 30 errors: Why would you expect his number of errors to be higher in the majors leagues that it was in the minors? In any case Tatis’ fielding percentage throughout his career has been worse than Gotay’s. I’d much rather have the young guy who will improve than an older AAA player who is getting worse.

whynot
Actually KC gave up on him cause they thought he would never hit in the big leagues. They, as well as other scouts, actually liked his glove. If you look at the numbers, they’re not great but they’re not as bad as everyone is making them out to be.

Tatis is not taking over a middle infield slot, so his fielding compared to Gotay’s is not relevant. As others have pointed out below, Gotay was beaten out for a roster spot by Easley, not Tatis. You’re comparing the wrong players.

Gotay may have the skill set to be a good glove man, he’s never been one. I’m not saying the Royals gave up on him b/c his glove was so bad, just b/c he wasn’t very good.

The Mets were never going to trust this guy with 2B, b/c his defense is poor. His range is average, and his arm erratic. If we were a 2nd division club who could afford to break in a young 2B and allow him to learn on the job Gotay is just fine. But we’re not, and having a young player manning a bench spot is not optimal.

I don’t like Tatis, but we need a RH bat until Alou is ready. Gotay, w/o options left just wasn’t an option. The 25th spot probably is worth maybe, maybe 1 win a year. All this crying for Gotay is silly. I imagine as rosters are trimmed there will be another serviceable guy or two available.

All I want is a middle IF backup that can actually play defense. I know and understand why Gotay was waived, but dont say it was because Easley beat him out for it (the others you were talking about said it was Marlon). Gotay had already beaten him out for the secondbase job last year. But Tatis is the one the Mets say they want because of his ability to play all the infield positions as well as the corner OF positions, so to me it looks like it’s him that they want to backup the middle infield. Big mistake.

To add on: i just looked at some scouting reports on Gotay from a few years back and mudvillenine, you are mistaken in how he was viewed by scouts.

It was: solid bat from the left side, needs work on the right side and his glove is below average with poor range.

Having seen him field, below average is complimentary and is arm is erratic enough to make DW’s look like a fountain of consistency.

All totaled, for a team that stresses pitching and defense, Gotay was never a good fit.

good points

I guess any 24 yr. old who hits .194 PINCH-HITTING (considered the hardest thing to do in baseball) should be discarded along with the rest of the leftover tuna…

Your statistic should be coupled with the fact he hit .310+ before we got Castillo…

santana they traded for after he has 2 cy youngs…maine and perez were THROW IN’S WITH DEALS…the mets expected nothing from those 2 in 2006, they had no other choice but to stick with them, oh wait, and look what happened when you stick with players…

look…gotay wasn’t making or breaking this team, we all know that…the point is…you have to give young players room for error, they are still developing, look at reyes! i mean, if you trade everyone in AA or AAA or after a half a season with the big league team b/c they didnt succeed right away, that is a poor philosophy…i’m so sick of this veteran presence…young guys can have just as much presence and have a freaking upside…

whatever…you know gotay is going to do something against the mets now…i am sick of old players, they have players in the minors who deserve more of a shot at the bench than freaking fernando tatis…that’s all i am saying

My problem is that outside of 1999, Fernando Tatis has proved himself to be awful. And at 33, he’s not going to get better. You can’t say with certainty that Gotay would improve or even maintain his solid 2007 production, but at least there was a chance.

Maine and Perez were not throw ins. That is what people think because they hadn’t heard of Maine before we got him and Ollie was making money and losing games.

Omar first approached Pittsburgh (when Sanchez was healthy) about aquiring Ollie. Pitt asked for Nady. That was too much for the mets to give up, but once Sanchez got hurt they worked the deal with Hernandez coming back as well.

Maine was the centerpiece of the Benson deal with the mets taking Julio’s salary (who omar then turned into duque) in return.

Umm guys.

The reason he was put on waivers:

1) He had no options left. Had he did, he would certainly be kept.
2) While he is a switch hitter, he is not a true switch hitter like Beltran. He is essentially a Left hand hitter. He hit .194 vs. Lefties last year and struck out 42 times in 190 Ab’s. They need a Right Handed bat for the bench, and this above all reasons is why I think he was expendable.
3) His services would be needed more at 2nd base, a position his defense was far below average.
4) He got hurt during spring training and did not get to show that he could hit lefties.

While I would have chosen Clark over Tatis, he is right handed, his role will be primarily that of a pinch hitter and he plays almost every position thereby making him more valuable than either Gotay or Clark….IF HE CAN HIT. If he doesn’t, I expect clark to be brought up.

NOW OF COURSE THIS WHOLE SITUATION COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED HAD THEY ONLY WENT WITH A 4 MAN ROTATION FOR THE FIRST TWO WEEKS. THEY COULD HAVE KEPT GOTAY & TATIS AND AT LEAST DELAYED THE DECISION.

not to mention he passed through 15 teams on the waiver wire… that means there are 15 other teams that would rather have nobody than have gotay… what does that say about how great this guy is? I trust scouts over fans reading stats.

no. it is not a bad comparison. the quote specifically said that this would come back to bite us THIS year. the comparison fits.

Oh please. You’re comparing a 50 year old has been with a developing player half his age. Bad comparison.