Comments on: Note: The 2008 New York Mets http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:48:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: TilMetsDoUsPart http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120436 TilMetsDoUsPart Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:12:07 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120436 Pagan has spent his whole career on the bench. Let him temperature control it once more!!!! Pagan has spent his whole career on the bench. Let him temperature control it once more!!!!

]]> By: Necciai27 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120417 Necciai27 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 01:02:24 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120417 Correction, Osteen was traded to the Senators, put it together there, then went to LA. Correction, Osteen was traded to the Senators, put it together there, then went to LA.

]]> By: Necciai27 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120416 Necciai27 Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:58:18 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120416 Carpenter is a good comp, but I thought of two that go back a bit further: Claude Osteen and Jim Kaat. Osteen was never really given the shots he deserved with Cincinnati, pitched like crap there, and got traded to the Dodgers, where he turned into a what today would be an ace caliber pitcher (having Koufax and Drysdale ahead of you in the rotation kinda has a tendency to make people forget you). Jim Kaat was a borderline Hall of Fame caliber pitcher. He was given shot after shot and failed three seasons in a row pretty miserably (well, kinda...he was dreadful the first half of 1961, but then pitched well down the stretch). He finally put it together in his third season after controlling his two breaking pitches (12-to-6 curve and slider). Also, unlike Osteen, Kaat put it together with the same team and same pitching coach (though his manager changed from Cookie Lavagetto to Sam Mele in mid 1961). Carpenter is a good comp, but I thought of two that go back a bit further: Claude Osteen and Jim Kaat. Osteen was never really given the shots he deserved with Cincinnati, pitched like crap there, and got traded to the Dodgers, where he turned into a what today would be an ace caliber pitcher (having Koufax and Drysdale ahead of you in the rotation kinda has a tendency to make people forget you).

Jim Kaat was a borderline Hall of Fame caliber pitcher. He was given shot after shot and failed three seasons in a row pretty miserably (well, kinda…he was dreadful the first half of 1961, but then pitched well down the stretch). He finally put it together in his third season after controlling his two breaking pitches (12-to-6 curve and slider). Also, unlike Osteen, Kaat put it together with the same team and same pitching coach (though his manager changed from Cookie Lavagetto to Sam Mele in mid 1961).

]]> By: RIPmurph http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120401 RIPmurph Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:39:25 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120401 I don't disagree. It remains to be seen, of course, but I think time will prove Humber to be a significantly better major league pitcher than Pelfrey, if Pelfrey is even able to be a major league pitcher, which is highly questionable. I don’t disagree. It remains to be seen, of course, but I think time will prove Humber to be a significantly better major league pitcher than Pelfrey, if Pelfrey is even able to be a major league pitcher, which is highly questionable.

]]> By: RIPmurph http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120400 RIPmurph Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:28:13 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120400 Listen, I like the idea. I'm a National League guy, and I think the pitcher should hit. I also agree that it would help the pitching situation overall in baseball. But I disagree about the union's position on the DH. The union is concerned first and foremost with money. It's not interested in protecting guys like Damion Easley. Whether the guys who become DH's later in their careers are cash-strapped or not is irrelevant. Obviously they're not. But they want to continue to play, they are star names, and they demand publicity and big bucks. I don't see the DH going anywhere. Listen, I like the idea. I’m a National League guy, and I think the pitcher should hit. I also agree that it would help the pitching situation overall in baseball. But I disagree about the union’s position on the DH. The union is concerned first and foremost with money. It’s not interested in protecting guys like Damion Easley. Whether the guys who become DH’s later in their careers are cash-strapped or not is irrelevant. Obviously they’re not. But they want to continue to play, they are star names, and they demand publicity and big bucks. I don’t see the DH going anywhere.

]]> By: RIPmurph http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120393 RIPmurph Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:19:34 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120393 We didn't have a down <i>year</i> from Reyes, he gave us a bad couple of months, perhaps a down second half if you want to extend it to that. Beltran had a typical year, not a down year. As I said, Delgado's not going to match his production of a couple years ago. What do you expect out of Schneider, better numbers than LoDuca, even in a down year? Look, they're going to pile up runs against the crappy pitching of teams like the Nationals and Marlins, among many. How will they do against more formidable teams? As I said, I think they'll do well against the Phils, whose pitching is suspect. I'm not sure about the Braves. We'll see. I hope I'm wrong. I'm just not sure what to expect out of these guys heading into the season. But that's why they play the games. We didn’t have a down year from Reyes, he gave us a bad couple of months, perhaps a down second half if you want to extend it to that. Beltran had a typical year, not a down year. As I said, Delgado’s not going to match his production of a couple years ago. What do you expect out of Schneider, better numbers than LoDuca, even in a down year?

Look, they’re going to pile up runs against the crappy pitching of teams like the Nationals and Marlins, among many. How will they do against more formidable teams? As I said, I think they’ll do well against the Phils, whose pitching is suspect. I’m not sure about the Braves. We’ll see. I hope I’m wrong. I’m just not sure what to expect out of these guys heading into the season. But that’s why they play the games.

]]> By: cyclone http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120387 cyclone Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:12:13 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120387 zzzz @ crappings milledge.... he will be exposed soon enough. zzzz @ crappings milledge…. he will be exposed soon enough.

]]> By: Another Matt http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120385 Another Matt Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:09:53 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120385 We probably won't get to keep Rincon - he probably has an opt-out to try to make it with another club if he's not on our roster by May 1st or May 15th. It's probably more likely that Tatis will stick around in NO than Clark - I think Clark has an opt-out and intended to use it, whereas Tatis played for the Zephyrs all of last season. We probably won’t get to keep Rincon – he probably has an opt-out to try to make it with another club if he’s not on our roster by May 1st or May 15th.

It’s probably more likely that Tatis will stick around in NO than Clark – I think Clark has an opt-out and intended to use it, whereas Tatis played for the Zephyrs all of last season.

]]> By: Another Matt http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120384 Another Matt Sun, 30 Mar 2008 23:07:42 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120384 And only a half year of Alou, with the likes of Ben Johnson, Rickey Ledee and David Newhan filling in for him. I don't see our offense being worse this year than last, but our pitching looks way better. And only a half year of Alou, with the likes of Ben Johnson, Rickey Ledee and David Newhan filling in for him.

I don’t see our offense being worse this year than last, but our pitching looks way better.

]]> By: Another Matt http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120382 Another Matt Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:54:58 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/03/30/note-the-2008-new-york-mets/#comment-120382 I don't think the players' union would be concerned about losing the DH. The players whose careers would be shortened by removing DHs are not cash-strapped, they're already ridiculously rich. The union only cares about the top players' salary because there's something of a trickledown effect to their rank and file. If anything, you'd expect them to support losing DHs because it would extend the careers of guys like Damion Easley. If you added extra roster spots though, they'd definitely go to pitchers - especially if you also removed the DH. I think it'd have the unintended consequence of further reducing the number of innings thrown by starting pitchers. In fact, I'm pretty sure it would. I don’t think the players’ union would be concerned about losing the DH. The players whose careers would be shortened by removing DHs are not cash-strapped, they’re already ridiculously rich. The union only cares about the top players’ salary because there’s something of a trickledown effect to their rank and file. If anything, you’d expect them to support losing DHs because it would extend the careers of guys like Damion Easley.

If you added extra roster spots though, they’d definitely go to pitchers – especially if you also removed the DH. I think it’d have the unintended consequence of further reducing the number of innings thrown by starting pitchers. In fact, I’m pretty sure it would.

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