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The Marlins beat the Mets with a walk-off home run in the 10th inning tonight in Miami, winning 5 to 4.
For a complete boxscore, read the reliable Associated Press.
…well, it only took four innings for Pedro Martinez to hurt himself…honestly, i thought all of the talk about him being injury-prone was all a bit overblown…guess not…in the bottom of the fourth inning, he tossed a pitch, then hopped up and immediately grabbed the back of his left leg, indicating a hamstring injury…he limped in to the dugout…ugh…
…up until that point, he looked okay…he hit Hanley Ramirez to lead off the game, which was followed by a home run by Dan Uggla…and then another home run by Luis Gonzalez…just as he was getting in to a groove, he hurt his leg…ugh, again…
…fortunately, Jorge Sosa looked solid in relief, allowing no runs through 2.2 innings…
…hey, did Hanley Ramirez mock Jose Reyes, while getting up following a slide in to third on a triple…he he did the exact same, exaggerated hand slap that jose does when he gets a bit hit…hmmm…
…Angel Pagan is very patient at the plate…again, he drove in the team’s first run with an RBI single during the third inning…the Mets tacked on two more runs in the same inning, including an RBI single by Brian Schneider while facing a left-handed pitcher…
…pagan then tied the game in the fifth, with a sacrifice fly…he continues to impress…he wants it…you can tell…go angel…
…the bullpen really stepped in after pedro’s injury, to throw seven scoreless innings before the walk-off home run…again, Willie Randolph used Scott Schoenweiss for one batter, and he looked great…Aaron Heilman looked even better…his change-up was wicked…Billy Wagner may be right, maybe heilman can be a closer one day…
…nice hustle by Carlos Beltran, who charged hard on a bloop single by Dan Uggla, who he threw out trying to extend in to a double…credit Luis Castillo for the nice catch and tag, too…
…David Wright hit a bomb to deep, deep center field in the ninth inning, which should have put the Mets ahead…but, because the Marlins play in Yellowstone Park, the ball was caught on the warning track…ugh…
…the thing is, Robert Andino’s walk-off home run could not be contained…that thing was clobbered…
…tough night…the Mets lose the game, and they lose pedro…this is like the total opposite from yesterday’s experience…oh, the ups and downs of the baseball season…get used to it, folks…
We’ll get ‘em tomorrow!
Come back soon, Petey!
The loss is something I can get past. Its the injury that makes it sting. =/
After rewatching the Ramirez triple, there is NO DOUBT that he was mocking Reyes with the exaggerated clap. Reyes should be embarrassed that he let the teams he ran all over the past three years tame him. It’s not his skills I question. It’s his gut and heart. If anything, he should be louder and even more brash than he already was. it’s sad.
I know what will make us feel better…an easy win tomorrow.
I realize that won’t make it any easier to sleep tonight, but that’s all we’ve got.
Winning tomorrow and taking 2 of 3 from atlanta would make us feel good. Let’s tell the truth here….the mets have to make a statement early this season.
Well, hopefully this is our worst loss of the year.
But, god, I can’t believe he threw that looping changeup right down the middle twice
Keith said it like 2 seconds before it happened. “You can’t keep throwing that change….” And right before Keith finished his statement Wise’s changeup ended up in the seats
When I saw that pitch come out of his hand it was like slow motion, I knew it was going to be out. It just sat up there.
Gonna be a rollercoaster season, I guess. Goodnite everybody.
I know there are 160 games left, but no hits since the 5th inning?? How anemic did their offense look?? Scary!!
Why are you surprised? I mean, did we not realize that this lineup is basically weak after Beltran? Unless Delgado can get back into form, and there is no reason to believe he will, the Mets are basically very top heavy. And before you mention Alou, a player actually has to stay on the field to have an impact. Wanna bet Alou will be back on the DL once he comes off.
Wright and Beltran and Reyes are going to have to have career seasons to offset 5 through 8 in the lineup.
Yep, I made this point the other day and got taken to task for it. I’ll say it again: This offense is scaring no one.
Who even knows what to expect out of Reyes. I have a funny feeling that what we saw last year in the second half is more of what Reyes is really about than what we had seen previously. Don’t get me wrong, he’s not as bad as he played down the stretch, but he’s well-scouted now, pitchers know his tendencies, and he just doesn’t look as formidable at the plate. Of course his speed will always be there, but I worry about lack of patience and bad at-bats, particularly those unsightly upper cut swings he seems to fly out on with more and more regularity.
Beltran is always maddeningly inconsistent: he gets his numbers by the end of the year, but he has such peaks and valleys to his season. A more stable lineup can absorb that, but not this one.
Delgado may be better than last year, but he’s not going to be as good as two years ago, and they need him to be at least that good given the other deficiencies in the lineup.
Who knows what Church will bring -hopefully he builds on his production of last year. Wright will be Wright, and Castillo is a professional hitter who is nice to have in the 2-hole, but the whole thing may actually hinge on how many games Alou can play. He is really the difference between this being an average to above average offense versus a juggernaut. And based on his age and injury history, that’s not too promising at all.
Bullpen was solid tonight despite that homerun, the offense just couldn’t get it done.
It’s just the second game of the season so I’ll sleep easy tonight.
I had a bad feeling about that Andino at bat. The ump squeezed Wise on the first pitch. The 2-0 pitch was a lob. He comes back w/ another get me over off speed pitch and boom. Just throw your best pitch to a scrub like that. I didn’t like the pitch selection.
Perhaps that was his best pitch. :)
I would love to know if Brian called that pitch, and if so, what his thought process was.
Oh, Schneider just said that Wise wanted to go with the change up. I hope that is the last time he allows Wise to think on the mound. Maybe he pulled a Storm Davis and told Andino what pitch was coming.
Its funny, you could see Andino say to himself “boy that was fat and juicy, wasn’t expecting that, 2-0 count waiting for him to throw a strike, he better not throw that again now that I have the green light”.
Storm Davis was an MLB pitcher in the 80s… you’re thinking of Crash Davis from Bull Durham, where (incidentally) Matt Wise should be pitching.
it looks like this team, like last year’s team lacks a killer or winning instinct. The 2006 Mets rarely lost games like this…
you’ve gotta be kidding…in fact, I’ll assume you are
how soon we forget. We had a ton of games like this in 06, we just gotta forget about this one and move on.
Typical Bandwagon Fan Response – I thought they were gone after last season.
Lets be honest here. Our hitters should have T-eed off against these pitchers and the Fish have hit 4 HRs against us and we have hit how many? ZERO! People we have a problem here and now we are down another starter in the rotation, we need some help here. Lets see what happens next week. IF we loose tonight and drop 2 to the Braves and then drop one or two to the Phillies can we worry then? We need a good strong start and make a statemnet and loosing games like this to teams like this is not the statement to make.
Thing is, this Pedro injury brings to light what was obvious but not really spoken about with the optimism that comes with spring, their lack of depth in the rotation. What was a rotation that had the potential to be dominant, is now really only 3 deep, and with Perez’s inconsistency, arguably this team’s rotation is only as strong as Santana and Maine. Pedro was the key in the rotation. Even if he comes back in 2-3 weeks, one has to wonder if he will stay healthy enough to make an impact this year.
Yup and this is the worst Mets batting lineup since the 05 season.
This should be a surprise to nobody: Pedro hurt, Alou hurt, El Puque hurt. The only person fooled by these guys is the one that signed them: Omar. The insistance on older players or never were players (Church and Schneider) to the ignornace of youth (Milledge for one) is going to doom this team in the end. 2 games in and the offense has not changed a bit from last year and the injuries have already started to mount. Not to mention the lack of fire is still there from the only manager who could have ever survived the epic collapse of 2007. The team takes the personality of the manager and in this case that is not a good thing folks.
I’m just going to watch santana’s outing yesterday over and over to get the bad memories of this game out of my head
anybody else know why he lobbed the ball over the middle twice…especially after ron said that he shouldnt do it again because he can get hurt by throwing it…the second it left his hand i knew it was over…
well there goes the undefeated season…
Have to wonder if Schneider made a bad pitch call. I would have come in with a fastball considering he was a young, new hitter to the league and all he saw was that 70+ MPH changeup. That was the time to sneak a fast one in.
After all the posts about how poor LoDuca’s pitch calling is and how much better Schneider is behind the plate how can you make a statement like this. :)
if he did call for a change, I doubt he called for the same high hanging change he just threw.
I was joking because I believe too much credit and blame is given to the catcher for pitch selection. Generally the catcher goes along with whatever the pitcher wants to throw.
It was a mistake and mistakes happen. Sometimes, if you are lucky, you get away with it. This time the Mets weren’t lucky.
I agree, I was replying to almar
…and meant it in good humor, not jerk-y
2×4 you don’t know what you are talking about. catchers make almost all the calls. and usually those calls come from the manager or the pitching coach ESPECIALLY in the 10th inning
If you played the game you wouldn’t be so ignorant of this point. I guess this is not required in the fantasy leagues. The catcher gives the sign but either the pitcher accepts it or he shakes him off. If you ever listen to catchers discuss this they never insist on a pitch the pitcher does not want to throw. To do so usually ends up in disaster. The catchers job is to guide the pitcher and even this does not apply to veteran pitchers. BTW do you really believe Willie is calling the pitches? Have you ever heard him admit to that?
Yeah, its as if Wise didn’t even HEAR Ron at all…moron…
Give me a break, you really think out of the 65 losses they had in 2006 you couldn’t find any like this? You play 162, you are going to have some bad losses. Come on now, that’s a ridiculous statement. Schneider had 3 hits, Pagan looks really good, Church had a big hit. Those are the guys we were most worried about.
Hey if Petey’s out a month or two, just means his arm will be in better shape with a shortened season. Just to have it happen in start one, is rough. Its ok, Duque can take his place and then when he takes his vacation Pedro can slide right in
I can remember one in particular, of course it wasn’t 1 of the 65 regular season losses…
but seriously, even the ‘98 Yankees had some heartbreaking losses (heck, they even started off 0-3)
Everyone just relax, Pedro was going on the DL at some point this year, as was Alou, as was El Duque, better in April than September. Team fought back from a 4-0 deficit. Bullpen pitched well. Wise just made 1 bad pitch, besides that his stuff isn’t terrible. Long way to go. It does suck losing this way.
The potential loss of Pedro for possibly 2 months is huge. The major strength of this ballclub is the brilliance of its 4 starters. The Mets don’t have much in the way of depth so whoever replaces Pedro is the equivalent of a number 5 starter. It’s only the 2nd game of the season (so no dumb remarks from people about it being only the 2nd game of the season-which I definitely expect on this board), the loss shouldn’t bother anyone, but the potential loss of Pedro hurts bad.
hes 36 .. more injury prone than anyone, and yet theres no need to worry?
are you sure this is metsblog that im on?
Boy it would be great to have someone like Kazmir or Bannister, oh wait they are young and we had to get rid of them…….sigh
I think last year just has me worried, I mean it’s just one game, and it’s sooo early.
But I don’t know, they didn’t seem to have that extra innings intensity. It looked like the 07 team in extras with the “oh well, we’ll get em tomorrow”.
Pedro will be out for a little bit. We’ll see if they pull together the way they didn’t do last year.
Delgado so far has seemed patient at the plate, but he just doesn’t seem CAPABLE of getting around on anything. We’ll see, 2 games don’t make a season.
By the way, how frustrating was it to watch this team constantly foul back hanging breaking balls and not get around on fastballs right down the middle from the 5th inning on?
Matt,
The Marlins may play in Yellowstone Park but they have plenty of power to get the ball out of that yard.
The Mets so far….do not. You can’t slam the dimensions when a guy who doesn’t even deserve to be in the bigs hits one 450 feet.
This offense is basically the same as last year, except the bottom half of the lineup is actually weaker. No hits since the 5th……just don’t see much changing. I’ve heard alot of talk about a regained killer instict…but I’ll believe that when I see it.
people come on…it’s the 2nd game of the season…how can you not say the mets don’t have the killer instinct?? they were down 4-0 and came back to tie it…the mets didn’t have any hits after the fifth but they were still hitting the ball hard, and the marlins didn’t score after the 2nd (until the 10th obviously). some of the guys, like endy’s line drive out, were hitting the ball hard, just not in the right places…freaking 1 loss and everyone is ready to panic? yes pedro going down sucks, but it’s the 1st week in april, how about instead of panicking we let our boys show some resiliency with a solid win tomorrow! LET’S GO METS
bullpen looked great, can’t win em all. But man, losing pedro was pretty deflating.
Get em tomorrow.
How crazy was it that right after Wise had gotten that “get me over” change up Keith warned against throwing too many more of those and Wise puts in the same spot again, and right on cue, it got crushed.
You could see that the first high change caught Andino by surprise. MLB hitters don’t get caught by surprise by the same pitch in the same spot.
I was happy the team came back, played small ball, made productive outs and tied the game after the loss of pedro
Bullpen looked solid as hell.
The extra innings loss obviously sucks in that fashion, but def. some pluses to the loss, at least.
Put up 9 runs tomorrow and win in a laugher….and tonight will be forgotten. Lose this opening series to one of the worst teams in the league and fire up the panic button.
You’re kidding me right? Fire the panic button if you start the year 1-2? I’m as big of a Mets fan as anyone, but some of the comments I’ve read on here are pretty ridiculous. Remember, this is a marathon folks with a lot of peaks and valleys. It’s only two games and the Mets will get by without Pedro. They’ve done it before and they’ll do it again. Everybody just take a deep breath and relax.
I was wondering when the Sunshiners were going to make an appearance. Remember last year when some people raised legitimate issues all the Sunshiners could do was say
“We have the best record in baseball.”
“We have the best record in the NL.”
We have the best record in the NL East.”
And when the playoffs began:
“We have the best gold swings in baseball.” :)
so after every loss all season long everyone has to talk about how awful the Mets are, how they’re old, they’re rotation depth isn’t great, they lack a killer instinct, etc.? Is that the rule? Even if they finish 100-62, we have to have 62 days where the “sunshiners” can’t participate on Metsblog.
Look, this loss sucks. Losing Pedro sucks more. But it’s day TWO of the regular season and people are on here talking like it’s the collapse all over again. I choose to be optimistic, you choose to be pessimistic. If they’re losing games like this in September, maybe I’ll join you, but until then, I’d like to enjoy this baseball season.
well said gomets6091
I’m neither a pessimist nor an optimist. Just because someone is not a “Sunshiner’ does not make him or her a pessimist and I’m on record here as saying it’s only the 2nd game of the season and the loss is insignificant. I try and take a rational viewpoint and discuss baseball. But that is impossible on this blog. Yes there were some posts that were over the top but there were more posts attacking these people personally than the number of bad posts. If reading a statement that say’s the loss of Pedro for perhaps 2 months will negatively impact this ballclub causes you to take it so personally that you must attack other posters then perhaps you should post somewhere else.
As for the rest of the “panic” posts I try and not take it personally and level personal attacks at these people. Just skip those posts.
Even without Pedro, I like our pitching staff. The problem tonight was the same problem that’s probably gonna plague us all season–the lack of offense. The only regular who hit .300 for us last season was Wright. Maybe we can expect a .290 BA from Castillo, but If Jose can’t develop into a more consistent hitter we’re in trouble as this offense will not go.
This lineup annoys me. Reyes can’t hit anymore, he’s taking too many strikes and is barking at umpires. Castillo is hitting nicely but when does he ever hit anything beyond the outfielders? A hit from a guy named Carlos would be nice.
They better start hitting when guys are on base since they are not going to be a big offensive team this year.
Get Juan Rivera, Omar. You know you want to. He IS an ex-Expo after all.
The Mets need Alou back and hope Church develops a stroke. They have no power right now, and Delgado is obviously a shell of himself.
They never seem to have problems getting runners on. They just never get them in.
Well I guess Willie got his answer on Matt Wise tonight.
Robert Freaking Andino. BOOM!
I don’t mind getting beat, but THAT was a STUPID pitch selection, whoever made it.
And stop complaining about the bottom of the lineup. They were right in the middle of rally’s yesterday and today.
The only negative comment I have is perhaps a minor one about Church.
The Marlin’s pitcher goes 3-0 on three hitters, two of them walk and then Church comes up and swings at the 1st pitch a slider in the dirt. Just what is Church’s thought process up there?
he was sitting dead fastball and the pitcher threw him a slider (or curve)…he was probably figuring that the pitcher is having control issues he’s probably going to put one right in there…obviously wrong thing to think…but that was probably it
That was my thought. Church expected a “get-me-over” fastball and got too excited to jump on it.
Reyes barked at the umpire because it was a terrible call.
It was a strike. I’ve seen calls much worse than that. Keith even said that was too close to take. He needs to sit down and not get excited.
It most certainly was not a strike. Gary said he had legitimate beef and Ron agreed. Keith was probably watching the Cardinals game and missed the replay.
Is there anything you won’t complain about?
Reyes can’t hit, Pagan is horrible, Castillo doesn’t hit balls out of the infield, WAH WAH WAH WAH WAH.
And, after crying and whining and being ignorant about everything, your proposed solution is Juan Rivera? What a joke.
Reyes isn’t hitting now and doesn’t look very good at the plate. You’re all delusional if you think Pagan is going to be this productive all season. I never said Castillo doesn’t hit balls out of the infield; I said he doesn’t hit them beyond the outfielders which is true.
How is Juan Rivera a joke? He’s obviously no Manny Ramirez but he’s no slouch. He can play both corner OF positions, has some nice 20 HR power, and hits lefties and the righties just about the same. This team needs a bat like his that can play more than 70 games.
reyes can;t hit anymore? icedrake523 are you kidding me? he went 2-4 yesterday with a run and an rbi, and 1-5 today with an rbi…in 2 games he is batting .333, with 2 rbi;s and a run scored…you’re right…he cant hit anymore…WOW…how ridiculous…got to love people ready to jump ship on the 2nd game of the season…
Let’s see him hit .333 by the end of the season. He’s looking bad in the ABs he doesn’t get hits.
I’m not jumping ship. I’m saying this offense is very, very mediocre and they seriously need a right handed bat with some power that can play more than 70 games.
Does Castillo need to hit balls past the outfielders in order to be effective? Last I checked he was starting rallies just fine with his walks and infield hits.
As for Reyes, he hit around 300 during spring training and is off to a good start. To judge a player based on two games is ridiculous, and you know it. Reyes is a star player, and will play like it when all is said and done.
As for Pagan, you’re one of the many people out there who look at his two cups of coffee in the majors and write him off. He’s 26 years old. He plays his heart out, and has produced incredibly well so far. To use him as a scapegoat is insane, when guys like Delgado and leaving 5 men on base every game.
And Rivera isn’t a joke, but your idea that adding him to the team will fix everything is. He’s a slightly above average player, at best. And how do you suggest we get him? We just steal him from the Angels while they’re all sleeping? You’ve got to give to get, and we don’t have anybody just lying around, taking up space.
You’re entitled to your opinions, but please think before posting them for the world to see.
BRAVO metszelaar. Well said.
Braves – 2 losses from bullpen
Phillies – 1 loss from bullpen
Mets – 1 loss from bullpen
Mets have no implosions, though.
So who pitches on Opening Day??
now that’s smething I’m very interested in, cause I got my wife all hot for Pedro. Gotta assume they’re going four (since the 5th guy was for Pedro’s protection). guessing Maine.
LOL Jamie, on March 27, 2008 the Kansas City Royals released Brian Lawrence so he is available. .So, if the Mets act quickly you may have the pleasure of seeing Lawrence once again pitch in a Mets uniform. But then again perhaps Lima is available. :)
Enjoy the last opening day at Shea.
you know, actually that would be ironically hilarious, and in a way, perfect.
Wow, I hate Mets fans. You are all worrying too much. And what is this guy above me talking about? Reyes can’t hit anymore? Believe me, Reyes should be the least of our worries. Once again, this is an example of how Mets fans are. One loss (by one run), and the sky is falling. I know we lost Pedro for possibly a significant amount of time but I’m comfortable with Johan, Maine and Perez anchoring the rotation. Followed by Pelfrey and Sosa until Duque is ready.
RELAX PEOPLE.
uh-oh, it’s a sunshiner. BURN HIM AT THE STAKE
No, if you cut his fingers off that would be sufficient. After all we don’t want to make him a martyr for you all. :)
they should just sign claudio vargas for the 4/5 spot
this is ridiculous. two games into the season, five innings of not hitting in a run, and a one run loss in the tenth. Get a grip, everyone.
6 month off not enough , just shoot me
and the drinking begins!
oliver perez is supposed to start the home opener since the schedule using a 4 man rotation puts Perez on schedule
I think the reason everyone is getting so uppity is that the Andino homerun was very reminiscent of the Molina homerun that took us out of the playoffs two years ago.
But I do agree, everyone is panicking about nothing. Agreed, we should have teed off against the Marlins pitchers, but Pagan is looking great, Church and Schneider had nice games, and I was very impressed by the bullpen. I didn’t see Heilman’s inning, but everyone else was very solid. I really liked Wise’s stuff until that he gave up the homerun.
we were hitting the starter just fine. Their bullpen had a great day. You just tip your hat to them and come back tomorrow. The Marlins suck, but I wouldn’t be surprised if their bullpen turns into a strength that keeps them in games all season long and allows them to win more games than anyone expects them to win (in the 70’s instead of the 60’s)
ha ha I know. So Reyes can’t hit anymore, Wise is garbage, the Mets have no killer instict. Did I get it all? Yeah two games in and we’ve determined all this. People, get a grip please. Some of you sound like complete fools. If they had scored 12 runs today would we have been talking about how they are the best offense in the game. 160 games left, last time I checked the 86 Mets lost 54 games and some of them…oh my god…involved teh bullpen blowing games and guys not hitting in the clutch. Grow up already…damn.
the mets suck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
delgado is old pedro is old we cant count on these guys!
ryan church! brian schneider!
I really really hate Met fans sometimes…… they make this blog unbearable..its the 2nd game People
Is it just me or is the pedro injury exactly like phil hughes’ injury from his second start last year? And Hughes winded up being out for what, 2-3 months? I know that he hurt his ankle when rehabbing but hes also 20 years younger than pedro. This could be really bad if pedro is out that long, and i hate life.
umm…why is everyone ragging on the bottom half of the lineup? They could be a problem down the line, but they were pretty good tonight. Schneider 3-4 with an RBI, Pagan 1-3 with 2 RBI and a run scored, Church 1-4 with a run scored. I would say tonight would actually be on the top half of our lineup.
because a very vocal minority on this website only follows the team so they can have something to complain about??
I agree with everyone in here. It’s so early, people. So quit with the rose-colored glasses and optimism. We have so long to go before the disaster is complete, so let’s go get them tomorrow…
…in Omar we trust…who sucks.
I don’t think Omar sucks, I think he asked to be creative. And I think he’s read some of his own headlines.
Instead of taking fliers on everyone, it’s ok to SOMETIMES go after the easy options and overspend.
Like he did with Pedro, Wagner, Beltran, Santana…….
Any more word on Pedro’s injury? I just got home and found out about it. Ugh. Well, all I can say is that it’s a long season and the first few months is when teams find out where they need to make “adjustments.” Omar, I’m sure, will be keeping an eye on things.
Look, hopefully, Duaner will be coming back soon. That will enable Willie to either bring El Duque up or move Sosa from the bullpen to the starting rotation.
I think if there is any degree of concern regarding Pedro’s hamstring, then they need to sit him out now rather than later.
You see this is the @#!!! I’m talking about, the Mets are a couple of LIKELY trips to the DL. I love Pedro, but he is brittle at this point, he and Moises should be left in hyperbaric chambers until late August.
But, until then you need good (not fantastic) solid, durable pitchers. Pedro went 3 and gave up 4, Blanton (yes I’ll be talking about him all year) is thru 6 IP and gave 2 runs to the SOX. He’s not Santana, hell he may not even be Maine (but he’s close). But, I’d take a team full of Maine and Perez’s vs. Santana and a team of full of iffy maybes.
BTW, having your bullpen pitching 6 innings is a recipe for disaster, no matter no good they are.
no matter HOW good they are. (Sorry for the typo)
and who, exactly, were we giving up to get Blanton? Hate to break it to ya buddy, but if we got Blanton, we weren’t getting Johan, and I’d take Johan a million times over Blanton.
Maybe ur right. But, I think that got shot down before the tried. I would have packed Pelfrey and Heilman’s bag’s myself to get Blanton.
by the way, I hope Blanton’s as good as you say he is, b/c he’s on my fantasy team, and after the way Oswalt pitched last night, I may need him to have a big season
Don’t worry, he will.
Final line for him 6IP 2R, 7H 1BB 3SO. He’s on the losing end though.
You really think that Heilman, and Pelfrey could get Blanton? At this point any SP of 1-3 value will have to have Fmart and Neise going back in return.
I think he was talking about before the Santana deal happened. But from what I remember reading Beane wanted more for Blanton than what we gave up for Santana.
Lets face it…this teams offense is not great and it wont be until next year when Delgado is off the team. I think it is fair to say he is completely finished. He kills them pretty much every time he comes to the plate. When he actually works a count in his favor he seems to decide to swing at a 3-1 pitch no matter where the pitch is. He is more painful to watch than Mo Vaughn. And I dont want any responses like “Its 2 games into the season, blah blah.” I watched 162 games last year and saw the same thing along with EVERY ST game this year. They really need to consider biting the bullet and making a change at 1st…if not a change they definately need to drop Delgado down…hes god awful.
just to clarify, down in the order that is…..
I have to say that while generally I am optimistic about the team, I’m leaning towards agreeing with you about Delgado. I have no confidence whatsoever that he’s gonna come up with a big hit when he steps up to the plate. He just looks…old.
I’ve been praying every night that Fernando Martinez has a Reyes in ‘03 or Wright in ‘04 type leap and can make it up to the big club in the middle of the season and provide a spark, because right now the offense worries me a little.
Delgado is not going to be ‘06 Delgado. That guy was amazin! But, this Delgado we have now will be more than adequate. You have to believe in a guy’s pedigree. And Delgado’s pedigree means he’s going to give you probably 65-70% of the great Delgado. Which ain’t bad!
Now, speaking of pedigree, I don’t give a flying fig that Schneider went 3 for 4 tonight. This guy is a bum with the bat and his pedigree says he’s going to give you .265 AT BEST!! You know, the same .265 that people are going to run Delgado out of town over.
You’re 100% right. Carlos Delgado is just straight awful, and it’s NOT just based off of the first two games, as you said. However, he’s the first baseman this year and that’s that. The ony positive from his downfall is that it might teach the Mets ownership a valuable lesson in regard to obtaining players past their primes.
I’m concerned about the offense. Marlins bullpen is one of the worst in baseball and yet the Mets can’t get any hits after the 5th inning.
And a hamstring injury can be a nagging injury that just goes on and on and can easily be re-injured even after it is seemingly healthy. This is ain’t a good start to the season for Pedro… It doesn’t bode well.
Now we are concerned about the offense!!!
People, wake up you should have been concerned, when all we got on offense this off-season was Schneider & Church.
Hello?!!!
Not only that you lost Green, LoDuca and Milledge. And you have almost nothing to show for it.
I don’t think Omar is alone in this, but there is no excuse for that.
Are you serious? Loduca could not have done what Schnieder has done so far. And Church is a better hitter at this point than Milledge.
weird; gary, keith and ron kept saying that the pen was the Marlins strength. why do you say they’re one of teh worst in baseball?
Saying the Marlins pen was their strength isn’t necessarily the same thing as saying they have a good bullpen. The Marlins stink in all areas – starting pitching, offense (albeit with some decent power), defense and relief pitching. But yes, of all those categories, their pen is their strength. But that’s like saying an ugly woman’s strength is her polished finger nails.
All i have to say was a little disapointed with the loss of the game and Pedro. It’s to early to start complaning about the offence we will get them tommorow and go 2/3 with the braves also.
I like your enthusiasm, but it’s dangerous and infective. Everybody thought I was losing it at work last year, the Mets were so far ahead, it was a no-brainer they were going to win. I had them sunk by the 1st or 2nd week of September.
We need to play like every game is the last game.
Stay hungry.
Stay focused.
Eye of the Tiger.
Mick loves ya.
Not to criticize, but “ugh” has to be the most annoying phrase to read. Ever.
I think it’s obvious that Pedro wasn’t 100% from the beginning of the game. There was no point in which he was dominant, and he looked significantly worse than in his spring starts. Omar needs to go out and sign another pitcher immediately unless he wants to have the pleasure of seeing Nelson Figueroa or Tony Armas Jr every 5th start.
Damn! And i wanted to trade Pelfrey to the Pirates for XNady. Now, with Pedro’s status in question, we have to keep what little pitching depth we have.
Isn’t Victor Zambrano available? Maybe The Jacket finally figured out how to fix him in 5 minutes.
I know this is unlike me, but being as everyone is saying how anemic our offense is, I’d like to make a proposal for a possible candidate to get around the deadline. IF HE’S HEALTHY- and I know that’s a BIG if, and we wouldn’t have to give up anything more than an AA prospect, would anyone else like to see the Mets look into Ken Griffey Jr.? He’s a free agent after this year, and with top prospect Jay Bruce forced out in the OF there, I’m sure the Reds would be willing to unload the 2nd half of Jr.’s final season contract. After the year, the Mets would have no obligation to him and it would almost be nice to see Griffey on a contender for once. I realize this is the last thing we need, another late 30’s OFer, but this is Griffey and if he’s healthy I think it would definitely be worth the risk.
Feel free to play devil’s advocate, as I realize Griffey is definitely a risk. Of course, I wouldn’t trade a Niese, Kunz, F-Mart, Parnell, any of those top spects in the deal, and I don’t think the Reds would have any right to be asking for a top prospect in it. I’m just saying a double A regular prospect. So let me know what you think.
hey guys, i just wanted to remind everyone that the season is now over, everyone can go home, no need to root for your favorite team anymore, no need to follow anymore, nothing to see here, just a beaten team, it’s all over, everyone can go home, just wanted to make sure everyone knew that. Thanks for coming!!
this lineup, without alou, is very pedestrian.
this rotation, without pedro and duque, is still above average, but not good enough to carry the team.
enough with the “well at least they’re getting the DL out of the way early” nonsense. these guys are all a year older and a year more brittle. they’re not all magically going to come back the first week of may and be right as rain through october.
hands on the throat omar and jeff. maybe another bat is tough to come by, but pitching is available. sign claudio vargas for now. sign freddy garcia for later.
I know I’m gonna get hammered here by some people, but if you’re intelligent in your response, I’ll take your criticism for what it’s worth.
I used to be a pitcher. Not a professional, but I played a lot. I had a hamstring injury once and played with guys who had hamstring injuries. The only way you do NOT feel a hammy injury even before it pops when pitching is if you actually blow your hamstring (a la Brian Bannister or Endy Chavez). If you pull it, your leg is going to be aching worse and worse until it does indeed pop. The fact that Pedro’s command was spotty from the get-go makes me suspect he was in pain and trying to hide it. If it’s the leg you push off of (aka your Pitching Arm Side Leg), you’re going to have trouble hitting the broad side of a barn OR having anything consistent regarding your velocity (explaining Pedro’s fastball travelling between 85 mph and 91 mph).
I know Pedro’s a gamer and would probably attempt to pitch if he got run over by a truck or was pushed off a cliff, but when it’s costing your team runs…I dunno, I just don’t like it when a player hides an injury. Remember Braden Looper? Or Adam Bostick? And how ticked off at them (well, Looper) we were for hiding their injuries? I know it’s only the second game and if Pedro misses the start, you wind up with one other, differently-placed start plus a cortisone shot, but still…I’m not fuming mad or anything like that at Pedro; as I said it’s really, REALLY early in the season (in fact, I doubt he does this down the stretch), but it’s like we gave the game away. And I don’t like that.
i dunno. pedro’s first concern seems to be his health. i can’t imagine he would have just gone out there if he thought he was risking injury.
the offense did not get the job done tonight. pin the loss on the bats.
I’ve thought it through…I guess it really depends on how early it started REALLY barking. A hammy pull or strain (not a blowout…whole different animal) will seem like a leg cramp for, I dunno, your first 20-30 pitches including your warmup tosses. If Pedro thought he was going out there with a terrible leg cramp, well, again, I’ve pitched through those, too. You lose the cramp completely pretty fast (within 30 pitches), though. I dunno…if I was Pedro, I guess if I was out there the second inning and realized what I had was much worse than a leg cramp (depending on the length of time he warmed up, this is about as late as he could realize it was no cramp), I’d probably try and finish the inning, though honestly don’t know what I’d then do. Heck, maybe Pedro thought he could go five.
I personally pin the loss on steve phillips. He put the curse of death on the mets by actually picking them to win the division. Whenever he says anything good about the mets, (which is about as rare as a postgame blog not reaching 150posts) it scares me.
that said, I still believe that if the pedro/el duque combo can combine for one slot in the rotation throughout the year then the team will survive with both of them being injury prone…now find a magic witch doctor who can time their injuries out to work in our favor
Pedro’s done. Period. He looked old on the mound. A great signing, but he can’t be counted on any longer. Don’t forget to dance in your old age. Same with El Duque. Finito. Julio Franco is keeping a spot warm on a bench for him down Mexico way. Enjoy the sunshine, once mighty O. Where’s Brian Bannister when you need him? Oh, he’s the Royal’s home opener pitcher. Who’d we trade him for? I forgot. Where’s that guy now? How about Humber, Mulvey and Guerra? All gone. That’s right, we have Santana. Do you think he can lead us to a title by pitching every other day? Not to worry, the Mets fan boi’s have already locked up the title. What me worry? That Brian Schneider really knows how to call a game. I’m glad we traded Milliedge for him. I hope Wise buys his buddy a beer. With friends like that, who need enemies?
On their offense, as much as it pains me to say it….Bonds would look really good in the middle of this pedestrian lineup…
Depends on Alou. Besides it’s not like Church and Pagan are hitting poorly.
OK, everyone step away from the ledge…It’s the 2nd game of the season. The loss is tough, but the fact that they were able to come back from a 4-run deficit is encouraging. The bullpen pitched very well after Pedro had to leave, which is also a positive note.
The injury is the only important factor to come out of this game. Let’s hope that Pedro can heal quickly and rejoin the rotation before very long. His shakey start concerns me not even a little. He’s too smart to be unable to make the adjustments necessary to win games. Only his health is at issue.
It’s truly amazing that someone here posed the following” If we lose this series and lose a couple to Atlanta, and go home and lose two more series…” Are you frickin’ kidding? If Wright and Reyes and Beltran all get hit by busses tomorrow, and a building falls on Santana, we better get worried …I hear Prozac works wonders…
A good outing by OP tomorrow and a series win, and all is rosy in Metville
Sweet Jebus … if every loss is going to garner this type of desperate response, we’re all going to be dead by the trading deadline.
A couple of important things that we learned/had confirmed from last night’s game:
1. Pedro is too old and fragile to be a regular starting pitcher. We will be lucky to get 10 starts from him this season.
2. Delgado in DONE as an offensive power. D-O-N-E. He looked totally overmatched even against the Marlins’ mediocre relief pitching. The lack of production we are going to get from him compared to the numbers Howard and Teixeria will put is going to be a serious problem.
3. Church is completely worthless against left-handed pitching.
I am as big a Mets fan as they come and bleed orange & blue, but now that the euphoria of Opening Day/Santana’s first start is over, we all need to be very realistic about the serious flaws on this team. They may still very well win the division, but they are going to have to fight and claw and show some serious heart that they were lacking last year.
This isn’t about optimism or pessimism it’s about realism. This Mets team lacks heart. Period. Any team that collapses (not against the Braves and Phillies which are at least quality teams) against the Marlins and Nationals down the stretch has a problem. The Mets should win 80% of their games against these teams but they don’t, because there is no strong will to bury them. They play down to their competition instead of putting them away.
I don’t know what or where the problem is, with the players, the manager or the training staff that can’t keep guys on the field, but the bottom line is we’re not getting 100% effort from this team and that’s what pisses me off.
They’ve played two games ….
Look to all the banwagon fans freaking out ITS THE SECOND GAME OF THE SEASON RELAX!!!! I believe it is not a shock that pedro got injured but rather he got injured so soon. I mean right now the Nationals are in first place do you really think thats going to hold up kmon. Everyone needs to chill and let these guys play. The team has heart(they came back from 4-0 when their #2 guy went downin his season debut) and they have the capability to be great. The killer instinct will come for these guys dont worry. Let them get into a Rhythm first before you count these guys out. We will be fine and trust me THEY WILL NOT COLLAPSE LIKE THEY DID LAST YEAR BECAUSE THEY LOST THE SECOND GAME OF THE YEAR!!