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The Mets will recognize William A. Shea in a pre-game, on-field ceremony prior to the final Opening Day at Shea Stadium, during which the Shea family will unveil the Shea name above the left-field wall.
According to a team press release, “The circular logo with the name “Shea” will be located alongside the only retired numbers in the 45 seasons of Shea Stadium,” while Bill Shea Jr. will throw out the ceremonial first pitch of the season.
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one day, I hope to get my name on a building that is going to be torn down.
Classy gesture, but only if they feature it similarly in CitiField.
I would assume that’s the plan…..putting his name up there is the equivilant of like retiring a number, except of course that Shea has no number.
how about 1964?
No offense, but there are a few guys that kinda come before him in terms of ‘Mets Significance’ that seem to be getting el shafto at Citi Field…
I havent seen anything specifically for Seaver, Casey, Hodges, Murph or Piazza…nothing…not even naming the luxury boxes after them….
The good news is that it looks like the Dodgers Stadium, and has a rotunda named after a player that never played for us….although I kinda like the idea behind the rotunda….just sayin….Lets take care of Seaver before we hook up Bil Shea, who 99% of us could trip over and still not recognize…
man…having bad day….looks like Ebbets Field, not Dodgers Stadium….I need a nap…
considering the man has been dead for almost 20 years I doubt there is much chance of you tripping over him or recognizing him
You’re being serious? Uhh yea….I know hes very dead…
Do you have any idea what he looks(ed) like? Be honest….no way….
i thought he looked like one of those neon baseball characters on the outside of the stadium, no?
I thought I heard something about Murph having something named after him. I am not positive and may be making this up entirely, but I thought I heard something about the press box being named after him. Can anyone help me out here?
And Piazza will get his time… he just needs to retire first. Maybe he can even take over for Darling, once he goes national in a few years.
Don’t count on Darling going national… there are very few nationally broadcasted games, and I would think Darling would want to work more than that.
Didn’t Darling already go national, doing the nlds on tbs (d’backs/cubs)?
I am glad he came over from the Nats, as I hope most fans are; Darling is almost always on point (funny and knowledgable).
you’re right that not too many games are nationally broadcast. when they are, it is morgan and miller, or buck and maccarver. i would love to see darling replace one (and all) of them. but even if he does one day, don’t you think it’d be like doc emerick or john davidson when hockey used to be nationally televised (on major networks, sorry versus); that is, they have a team that they cover for most of the season, and cover a few nationally televised games when called for.
but maybe ronny’s making enough bank with those sovereign ads that he won’t do national except in the postseason (and we can hope those’ll be mets games)
Seaver has his number retired…….and is in the Mets HOF.
Murph has a broadcasting box named after him….I believe.
Shea was instrumental in bringing the Mets to town….I don’t see the big deal.
What does that have to do with Citi Field specifically?
You guys maybe right about the Press Box…
Either way, I have no issues with them honoring him. I’m just sayin while theyre at it….
You gotta learn the history my friend. Shea is the ONLY reason we have the Mets in NY. He was the one who got the MLB to consider NY.
I know my history. Man, I cannot say boo without people tearing in. For the THIRD TIME…Go ahead and Honor him….sheesh….Im just sayin a statue of Seaver would be a nice touch too….
BTW….to all of you that are saying he was the ‘Saving Grace of all things Mets’…..do you really think we wouldnt have had a NL team in this city by now? Rrrrright…..Im certain they would have left this huge vaccuum open forever with our 3.8 Mil tix sold last year…
He may have been behind the ‘Mets’ specifiically….but one way or another there would be a NL team in this city playing in 2008 with or without Bill Shea….dont be ridiculous….
Look, I wasn’t jumping all over you – I was just trying to have some sort of discussion with you about what you had brought up. Although, perhaps your comment was meant for someone else.
I agree with you 100000000% on honoring one of our OWN players before we go off and have a Jackie Robinson rotunda…….I don’t mind having the rotunda, as it is a part of NY history……..but call it something else. Anything from the Polo Grounds where we actually played? And you’re right……The statue of Jackie Robinson is way overboard…IMO
But to say that nothing has been done for the other guys when there has been, and mentioning that all of those guys should have additional things before Shea is honored……is where I disagree with you.
well, technically Walter O’Malley and Horace Stoneham are the only reason we have the Mets in NY :)
I don’t understand why the United States puts so much energy into honoring our Founding Fathers, wasn’t it inevitable that we would earn our independence at some point anyway?
I kiiiiinda see your point. But its not the same. Im saying there is an enormous appitite for baseball in this city, and with or without him there would be an NL team here, if not the ‘Mets’ specifically…
Cant compare that with the establishment of a government….
Look, they should honor Bill Shea – he was the catalyst for even having teh Mets in the first place.
ALSO, at Citi, they should do more to recognize Mets history and less to recognize NY 9baseball) Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers history. I have no issue with teh Jackie rotunda – he transcends team uniforms and is particularly appropriate for the home of the NYC NL club.
But, why not name things at Citi after Mets names and history? Why all the “Ebbets Club” and “The Orchard” an “Coogan’s Landing” stuff? Why noit name stuff after Seaver, Agee, Koos, Tug, Keith, Mookie, Bill freakin Shea, and so forth.
To somebody’s question: yes, the radio booth is called the Bob Murphy Radio Broadcast Booth. As it ought to be called
The TV Booth is named for Ralph Kiner. Yes Shea had the stadium named for him, because of his efforts to bring national league baseball back to NYC.
I think the Mets should have the ring of honor that many teams in different sports have around the stadium- example Pittsburgh Pirates, Dallas Cowboys. They could do that at Citi-Field- have Shea’s name their with retired player like Seaver etc. I think Jerry Koosman should have his number retired as well.
Sorry, but that’s an extremely ignorant comment.
There wouldn’t be a Mets Franchise if not for William A. Shea. Thus, it’s impossible for anybody to be more significant to this franchise’s history, as there wouldn’t be a franchise without him.
Exactly. The new stadium should also be called Shea. Instead it will be named after a bank. Completely soulless.
Still, that extra $20MM a year can buy some very effective middle relief.
Or a #1 lock down Left Handed SP for the next 5 years…
Name the thing C*ck Licker Stadium for all I care. Thats for the Mets to decide. Not us. Just win. Who CARES what the name of the stadium is so long as they keep getting quality players and having good teams year in year out…
I have been to a ton of baseball games in 12-15 different big league stadiums. I can not remember one time where the name of the stadium I was sitting in effected my enjoyment in any way, shape, or form. If the name of the stadium can help put $20 into the payroll, why on earth would anyone care?
Umm, Seaver, Casey and Gil have their numbers retired…
Yeah, and I named my second born son Casey, so he’s double covered.
Considering there may not even *be* a Mets without Bill Shea, I’d say he’s pretty darn significant in the grand scheme of things.
Bill Shea is basically responsible for the Mets existence…not really anyone who should come before him in terms of Mets signifigance.
I agree. It’s weird how much of an homage this new stadium is to another team’s history.
Very weird – they even snuick some Ny 9baseball) Giants names in there for some of Citi field’s features/amenities. What the heck? The mets have nearly a half century of history now – and the franchise should honor it!
Seaver, Hodges, and Stengel all ahd their #s retired, they were taken Care of, and who care if anyone knows what Bill Shea Looked like, he is one of the Big Reason the Mets became a team he was put in charge of Bringing a National League Team Back to NY after the Dodgers and Giants left for Sunny California. The recognition is well deserved and should carry over to Citi Field.
If your going to make a statement know what you are talking about.
No Bill Shea – No Mets. Simple.
If you don’t believe Bill Shea was the single most important mover in getting us the Mets, except maybe Joan Payson who put up the dinero, spill it.
they have to…don’t forget, if they were going to only honor him at shea, they could just have left things along. it is called WILLIAM A. SHEA Stadium, afterall.
This makes no sense….they should place the name at Citifield
Jamie Moyer just got knocked around in the first inning… Nats up 5 – 0
perfect
I love that I can read a thread regarding Shea stadium and find an update on the Phillies getting knocked around!
Lets go Mets!!!
only 4 errors, too.
Yeah, I’m LOLing pretty hard at the Phillies right now.
Saltzy…The TV Booth will be named after Ralph Kiner, the Radio after Bob Murphy, Seaver, Hodges and Stengel will still have their numbers retired and will still be placed in plain sight to the playing field…Piazza has not retired yet so let’s wait until that happens before we erect a statue…Why recognize Bill Shea…if it was not for him there would be no Mets…so that is pretty important to me..hence the Stadium being named after him…As for the Jackie Robinson rotunda…it’s a museum about an American War Hero and the man who broke the racial line in baseball…to name a piece of a stadium after him does not bother me..I understand that point slightly but the rest of your complaint is off base.
If I was wrong on the press booth…again, I apoligize. Understand, I have no issues with the honoring Shea(both the man and the stadium)…just sayin shouldnt the greatest player in the history of the team get some love too? Retiring his # and having him in the Mets HOF have zero do to with Citi Field. Are you guys saying any retired # for a team that gets moved to the new place ‘honors’ the player? What was the team suppsed to do? Not carry over the retired numbers?
What do you suggest they do? Re-retire the numbers? Send Seaver a case of booze?
Statue would be nice…
Naming a Luxury Box…
You havent been to any stadiums that honor greats in other ways than retiring numbers? The Cubs just gave Banks a statue….
statues of all of them? seems a bit excessive. most teams, in sports in general, have multiple retired numbers and maybe one statue, which is what the mets will have. plus maybe the mets hall of fame will be a bit more expansive than a few pictures outside the restaurant? not sure of that, has anyone head about plans for this?
maybe when they move, they could send the number to Great American Ballpark, and put up zachry’s number 40 instead. retire grant’s name while their at it.
Nah….If Murph and the crew will have the booth named after them then just a statue of Seaver would suffice…Piazza will have his # retired….and honestly…..as long as the ‘other guys’ are recognized somehere in the place thats fine. My point is I dont think Seaver is getting enough love more than anythig else….
Ill bet he gets one within 10-20 years one way or another….(or more to point when he kicks el bucket……)
you mean they should retire #5 even before Wright retires?
When word came out they were tearing down Shea, we renamed our (then) new kitten Little Bill Shea in his honor. True story.
Ahhhh…the feel good story of the day…
what can I say, I’m lame like that.
War Kittens?
I hope you made the face as you typed that
Nice gesture for Shea, and musch deserved.
Can we retire 17 now?
I don’t know, a statues isn’t just something you put up. To deserve that honor you have to be truly great both on and off the field. I’m too young to judge if some of the older guys from the ’60s and ’70s have reached that point; but I wouldn’t say anyone from recent times has.
Well, maybe Benny Agbayani.
hahahaha I literally laughed out loud at that. I love Benny.
but seriously, I’d give one to Seaver. The Phillies have one for Robin Roberts, who was great, but no Tom Seaver, and Seaver was the guy who gave credibility to the franchise pretty much single-handedly.
Of course the retired numbers will be brought over to Citi Field. They’re NY Mets retired numbers, not Shea Stadium retired numbers. As for Piazza, let’s not get crazy. No way should he get any kind of honor before Carter and/or Hernandez. What would we honor Piazza for anyway? Running away from Clemens? Or how about making the last out of the 2000 World Series?
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wow…
Ill be the first to admit that its hard forme to really be attached to Piazza(for me just cause we didnt win the whole thing with him, and thats all I care about)…
But retiring #’s(and that sorta thing) are reserved for players that had legendary individual seaons for a team. I love the ‘86 team more than any other in history, but there is NO WAY that Kid or Keith had better ‘careers’ as Mets players. NOT EVEN CLOSE Piazza put up the greatest numbers in the history of the position while with the Mets. He’ll go into the HOF as a Met.
I agree about Piazza, but what about Darryl? I know he left a bitter taste in a lot of mouths, but the fact is he’s still #1 in every power category in the Mets record books, and will be for at least the next few years, and is arguably the best offensive player in team history (consider that what he did came in a bad offensive era vs. Piazza at the height of the “live-ball”/steroid era.)
I’ll post this twice(one for you one for the Doc suggestion below)….and I’m no saint. Do you REALLY think a statue to one (or 2) ENORMOUS Cokeheads is a good idea? I know it should be about on field, and Ty Cobb was bastard and yadda yadda..
But when your son askes why we let them both go if they were so great you wanna tell em it was cause they let their lives completely fall apart, basically ruining their careers? Ummm…nah…
I cant honor that. Sorry. At least Seaver we can just say the Organization was ran by morons…
WHOA WHOA WHOA WHOA slow down there cowboy. I wasn’t talking about a statue, I was just talking about retiring their numbers. Yikes…..I’d hate to see what that statue would look like (maybe Doc and Darryl leaning over a mirror with a straw in their hands?)
LOL….Fabulous….
How about a few posters and murals or something…
Outside of their off field…umm…’indiscretions’….I just dont consider either to be ‘great’….
Im just sayin in 100 years if Citi is still kicking, you dont think we would have had 10 Doc’s and 10 Strawesque type players…
I dont wanna become The Rangers who retire popcorn vendor numbers. It should be reserved for ALL ALL Time Greats. Not guys that were good on championship teams, or guys that were just the best guy on a meh team(Piazza excluded. Hes the greatest catcher ever)….
If we are not going to retire doc and darryl’s numbers because of thir cocaine issues (which we shouldn’t) we should also remember keith’s cocaine issues from the same time. He was no saint.
I’m saying its gotta be one or the other. Not both.
Either a ‘Casey Stangel’ type who gave the team an identity…
Or an All-Time Great….
I’m willing to overlook the off field stuff if your other contributions outweigh them(Mickey Mantle)….
I dont think either make the cut in either area, PLUS they had big time issues…
Well….Both are great too…we just dont have one of those…
Like a Babe Ruth type….
I see your point, and I go back and forth on the issue a lot. In a lot of ways, I think the only time we should retire numbers should be if the guy makes the hall-of-fame and if he was a great player for the Mets (i.e., no Spahn or Mays retired numbers). That takes care of Seaver, and will take care of Piazza in a few years. No argument there. But what about Carter? He was an integral part of the best team in Mets history, and is in the HOF. Should his # be retired? And if it is, you almost have to retire Straw and Gooden and Tex, because they were just as integral and in ‘86 were all better players. And if we retire their numbers, how can we not retire Koosman’s number? And then next thing you know, we’re gonna be like the Yankees, issuing guys numbers in the 50s and 60s.
Unless I’m wrong, your just restating my point…
Yea…ONLY the best. The Yankees happen to have a boat load of them, so they have retired their #’s….
I have an issue with retiring Carter(and I love the Kid) if only cause we are gonna have a stadium modeled after another teams old stadium, a rotunda named after a non-former player…and THEN a retired number for a guy thats in the HOF on another team. C’mon already…Its just too much. We all remember ‘86. We all will, Its the TEAM that was great as a unit. I dont think we have to honor every great player from it.
I wouldnt protest if they retired Mex(im guessing thats what you meant, unless the 1st baseman for the Braves is getting his # retired) or Kid, just saying I wouldnt if it was up to me…
haha I can’t believe I wrote Tex….of course, I wouldn’t complain if we were retiring his number in 25 years after he replaces Delgado next year!
I mostly agree with you about the number retirement issue: the only people I am conflicted about are Straw, Gooden, and Koos, because they were all extremely good ballplayers who had their best seasons as Mets, and were essential elements to the 2 WS teams. For example, nobody is debating Seaver, but what if he got injured his first year in Cincy and his career fell apart, and he never got close to 300 wins. Would he be retired. Just compare what Seaver and Gooden did as Mets:
Seaver – 182-107, .630%, 2.47, 2334 K, 2718 IP
Gooden – 154-81, .655%, 3.04, 1835 K, 2128 IP
Seaver’s better, but not by THAT much.
What a hater! Did you forget how good he was in his time with the Mets? His 220 HR and 655 RBI didn’t help the team? What about his .542 Slugging Pct? I won’t argue whether or not he should have his number retired but you make sound like he just wasted 8 years of our time. On offense, he was the best catcher of all time.
In the same amount of years as a Met Strawberry had 252 homerst, 733 RBI, and a .520 Slugging % and HE WON A WORLD SERIES, but I don’t think his # should be retired either. Retiring #’s should be reserved for players who had an impact on their team beyond what stats they put up. No one had more of that kind of impact on the Mets than Carter did (aside from Seaver). He made them into winners by the sheer force of his hard-nosed play and positive, winning attitude. Half the time Piazza had that blank stare on his face like he didn’t even know or care what was happening around him.
carter had two good years with the mets. he was known as a primadonna who showed up the other team. he was the father of the curtain calls. he was also on a great team that should have won a lot more: 1987 and 1988 come to mind.
piazza had 5 hall of fame years with the mets and led a pretty good team to the playoffs twice and a world series in a classy manner.
Great…just give me an objective way to measure ‘an impact on a team outside of their stats’ and we can get right on that for ya….
I can already see the #44 Milledge number in LF. Ahhh….MAN did he have an impact beyond his numbers on last years team….
Wow
Sorry, but Piazza was better than Keith and Gary. It wasn’t his fault that the starting outfield for the Mets was Benny Agbayani, Jay Payton and Timo Perez.
And I am old enough to remember all of them play and 86.
LOL – I don’t think so. Gary and Keith were both better defensively, better leaders, and Keith was a better pure hitter.
keith was not a better hitter than piazza.
Not to mention, Gary and Keith both won.
Zen – Keith was a better hitter. Not a better bopper, but a better hitter.
Hey, I’d retire both of their numbers.
ketih best avg years were .344, .321, .310, .309, 306
piazza: .362, .346, .336, .328, .324
that doesn’t even consider power or rbi’s which isn’t close.
Gipper….baby….you know I love you….
ARE YOU NUTS?!?….
The Greatest Hitting Catcher EVER….its not even debatable…
Vs. a nice contact hitting always will be known for his incredible defensive ability 1st baseman….
NO WAY….Piazza hit for avg AND power…
Mind you, Im not even a Piazza guy, but the bottom line is at one of 9 positions he had the greatest seasons anyone has EVER been played in that position, all in our colors. Keith never did anything remotely close to that….
Alright, alright… it’s probably just a generational thing and I just feel more attachment to the 80s teams than the Piazza era.
Like I said, I’d retire both guys’ numbers. I’d do Keith first since he is older…
So you like doing the older guys before you move on to the younger ones….
Gotcha…
Ever take on both at the same time…..
Saltzy, check your facts. Piazza’s best year “in our colors” was 2000 when he hit .324 with 38 HR and 113 RBI. After that his averages were .300, .280, .286, .266, and .251. Piazza had “the greatest seasons anyone ever had” as a catcher for the Los Angeles Dodgers.
so we should skip piazza’s
1998: .348 23hr 76rbi and 1999: .303 40hr 124rbi
I actually lauged out loud here…
His best season with us was .324 38HR 113RBI….man, why did we keep this bum?
THANK GOD he improved on his .303, 40HR 124RBI CRAPFEST from ‘99!!!
You are a MOOOORRRRONNN!!!!
Again, Saltzberg. Check your stats. 2000 was his best overall year for us with his .398 OBP and .614 SLG.
You tried to make the point that he had the best years of any catcher in history while on the Mets, when that’s just not true. His best years by far were on the Dodgers.
You, sir, are a moron.
gooden is more deserving than any of those guys. piazza is more deserving than carter or hernandez. the latter two only had 3 or 4 good seasons and were on great teams. piazza was a great player on okay team that over-achieved.
Phillies are pathetic. That pitching staff has more holes than Seals face.
We’re supposed to be worried about Pedro? The Phillies have literally one pitcher thats worth taking the mound.
amusingly, as pointed out on beerleaguer, gameday was calling moyer’s 79mph “fastball” a change.
when are we going to find out how the rotation shapes up? I want to know who is pitching opening day and when Santana will start at shea.
It was announced yesterday…its Ollie Perez
Perez is throwing opening day.
Santana will throw Friday or Saturday vs Milwaukee, barring any rain outs.
Leave it to Mike & The Dog to spend 2 days talking about Joba’s fist pump. I’m really done this time.
Yes – The Phillies have bigger concerns than the Mets. I’m just not sure when I should start rooting against the Nationals.
here come the phils, oh well.
Nats need to get out of this inning with the score tied at least….
This game is giving me Vietnam-like flashbacks of all the times last year the Mets couldn’t hold a big lead against either of these teams…
I think I will go seek out my 11 year old son so I can have a less juvenile conversation than what’s going on here.
The Mets Hall of Fame will be nothing but a joke to me until Dwight Gooden, Darryl Strawberry, Howard Johnson, John Franco and many others who are long retired are inducted. Literally everyone associateed with the 69 Mets is in there – about 8 players, the owner, GM, manager, announcers, grounds crew…and yet 3 only players from 86 – Mookie, Carter, and Keith. It’s like the Mets themselves have forgotten they even have it.
The Nats don’t deserve to win between blowing their lead and not scoring with the bases loaded and no out against Old Man River
I think 1969 is recognized so much because it really came out of nowhere. The underdog, laughing stock team…the misfits…all that stuff. Probably most of you weren’t around back then to realize what a big deal it really was. 86 was great but also I think a bit tainted (only in terms of “feel good” public relations) with what happened to Doc and Straw, the idea that the Mets were cocky, etc. Not a lot of underdog related to that team. Not that it matters to me. A win is a win and we surely are due for another.
With regard to Shea…. a very good move and deserved…no team without him
The Mets need to also recognize the Giants the “other” NY team. Enough of this Dodger stuff already. I support the Jackie Robinson stuff in general principle for what he did for the sport but not as part of Mets history. He is a Dodger, let them honor him. He never played for the Mets, so I think it’s way overdone.
And finally why is Billy Joel the last concert? Should they try to get McCartney and hook up the last of the Beatles with Shea’s farewell. A lot more nostalgia since she was the first arena sized concert and theyvwere the Beatles for goodness sake.
MDMetfan:
They ARE honoring the NY (baseball) Giants at Citi. They are calling the outfield area “Coogan’s Landing”, etc.
They are NOT honoring Mets history, Go figure.
Thanks for the info. I didn’t realize there was any reference to the Giants. As for not honoring the Mets own history…you can only shake your head…but hey it the Mets were talking about here so maybe in a very weird way they are being consistent. lol
LOL. It’s sad.
Hahaha – are people seriously discussing the validity of Piazza’s career as a Met and having a subsequent discussion on whether his number should be retired?
That’s crazy talk folks, the guy was the face of the franchise during one of the most successful periods in team history. He is one of the best catchers of all time and he had, as someone else said, 5 HOF seasons as a Met.
I’m only 25, so I only saw the tailend of the 1980’s teams and therefore can’t really comment outside of the books I’ve read, stories I’ve heard, etc. However, to say that Piazza does not deserve whatever accolades that come his way is absolutely insane. Winning a championship is not necessary in order to be appreciated by a fanbase. If that was the case, then there are a lot of ballplayers who would not get the recognition that they so richly deserve.
I’ll always remember his “I’m not gay” press conference too. (sniff)
Evidently, you have no appreciation for contribution to the franchise. That’s your opinion, but I soundly disagree with you.
Your frame of reference is way too small to comment on my appreciation for anyone’s contribution to the franchise. I’ve got 15 years on you and have been a Mets fan since before you were even born. How do you say you saw the tail end of the 80’s teams when you were 5 years old when they lost to the Dodgers in 1988? You grew up with the lousy 90’s teams so I can understand you thinking Piazza was the greatest thing you ever saw, but when you put his Mets career in the same context as those who came before him, it pales in comparison. Carter was a much better all-around catcher than Piazza ever was. He didn’t have the average, but I’d take him in the clutch over Piazza any day. Plus Piazza coudln’t touch Carter’s defense and ability to handle a pitching staff. And most of all, Carter was a leader. Piazza was more content to sit in the background and be led.
I’ve posted plenty on this thread already so Ill make this brief…
Outside of the pitcher position(and maybe the catcher) if you are the GREATEST at either offense or defense at your position EVER….then you get your number retired…and you make the HOF…
Again, Im NOT a Piazza guy, but ya know what champ…neither your or my subjectivity matter one ioda…..Its not up to you to decide that hes ‘doesnt mean as much to you, therefore he shouldnt be honored’….its how his numbers stack up against history of the sport at his position(which has a wee bit more than 15 years on you) are what matter….
You lose….
His # gets retired….
Agreed, his # gets retired… by the Dodgers.
Again, check your stats.
BTW you YUTZ…
In all liklihood they will both retire his number…is that OK with you?
And dont tell me its a bad idea, cause Nolan Ryan’s # is retired for all the teams he dominated with, and I’ve never heard a complaint….
Yutz? I knew your name was Saltzberg. Hahahaha…
BTW, don’t be afraid to spell-check before you hit submit.
Nice.
It’s embarrassing that the new stadium will be called citifield. The Yankees aren’t selling their rights. I’ve been a Met fan for 30 years and I’m sorry but it is just really without class.