Matthew Cerrone

Note: Santana and Figueora swap Starts
By Matthew Cerrone - Apr 7, 2008 9:18 am

Again, Willie Randolph has changed around his rotation again, telling reporters yesterday that Johan Santana will start next Saturday, April 12, at home against the Brewers, instead of Friday as was initially scheduled.

Nelson Figueroa will start Friday’s game.

Therefore, as of today, expect the following rotation through the next week:

Tuesday: Oliver Perez vs. Phillies
Wednesday: Mike Pelfrey vs. Phillies
Thursday: John Maine vs. Phillies
Friday: Nelson Figueroa vs. Brewers
Saturday: Johan Santana vs. Brewers

when asked why he changed his mind, willie got all defensive and typically coy - adding that there is lots of information that goes on behind the scenes that he has no interest in sharing – so to protect his players…

…frankly, just win the game…the why is less important when you’re winning, willie…

111 Responses to “Note: Santana and Figueora swap Starts”

  1. 1. saturday at shea is a bigger draw than friday night at shea

    2. ben sheets pitches on saturday

  2. Tidewater says:

    The why is not less important if it is health related. Giving Santana all that rest… is it wise?

    I never disliked Randolph. I’m beginning to.

    • m00kie says:

      it’s hard to imagine he makes a decision like that .. I’m sure the pitching coach and staff have a lot to do with it.

      • Tidewater says:

        I’m sure you’re right. I think he needs to be upfront about why.

        • Roach2 says:

          I tend to get the feeling that many mets fans dislike willie for what he says to the press, which to me, is ridiculous

        • Gland says:

          Roach - I really, really agree with that statement. It is something I’ve noticed for awhile now. In my opinion Willie gives the media a bunch of bs in order to shield his players, and because he thinks its none of anyone’s business what happens in the clubhouse. Then people take this stuff at face value and get all angry.

          For example, his typical line about “going with my guys”. What is supposed to say “this guy sucks”? No, he just says what he needs to say to the press. People shouldn’t place that much emphasis on it. There is a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes that we are not privy to.

          Anyway, I’m sure Johan was consulted and approved this switch.

        • m00kie says:

          don’t understand why you’d think he needs to give more to the press.. You don’t want to show your hand to other teams, and you don’t want to throw your players under the bus for rabid reporters looking to turn every little quote into a huge, pun filled headline. Half of a NYC manager’s job is shielding his players and organization from that nonsense, and Willie does a great job of that.

          Everyone’s so worried about the wheel or a squeeze play, or whatever, but those things pale in comparison to that task. Fwiw, Bobby Cox tried a squeeze bunt, the ball went foul, and we moved on, it didn’t impact the game one way or another. ladi-friggin-da.(sorry for the rant)

        • Hit The Weights Zeile says:

          gland, i agree with what youre saying in fact its probably pretty accurate. with that being said the manager has to realize that the press is the only way he can communicate with the fans who support his team and pay his salary. so if you give the press alot of BS its like youre giving us alot of BS and fans will grow frustrated with you and probably dislike you. bill bellicheck is the exception to this rule simply bc the man wins. when willie randolph wins us 3 WS in 4 years he can go to the podium and moon the press after games for all i care but until then i think there will be alot of anti-willie fans no matter where he is due to his attitude.

        • Roach2 says:

          i think THAT is BS to be perfectly honest….because we in effect pay his salary, he should cater to us and feed our fanatical emotions and thoughts? He had a rough year and he knows he’s going to get fired if his team doesn’t perform….let’s wait and see how he (and Omar) stand up to that challenge.

        • Gland says:

          Again, I agree. I really don’t care what he has to say. It looks like I’m alone here, but I rarely watch his press conferences or anything he has to say. For the most part they mean nothing. If I’m curious about a specfic play or decision I might read the paper online to see if it gets addressed the next morning. But generally I don’t expect much from his comments and I don’t believe I, or anyone else, should. I really don’t want him doing his job thinking “oh I better do a wheel because the fans think i should”.

        • Metsie says:

          As others have said, the press is they way that Willie reaches the fans.

          To give them no info is to give us no info.

          The arrogance he gives them is the arrogance he gives to us. Unless of course, that this is Willie’s true personality…he did refuse to go to the minors to learn how to manage…and he did get turned down by team after team when interviewing.

        • Roach2 says:

          Do you really NEED him to say, “I switched it up so i can have my best pitcher going against the Phillies because we want to beat them on their own ground.” ????

          Better yet, do you WANT the Phillies to hear that or anything to that effect?

        • Metlomaniac says:

          Sorry, Roach, but that’s ridiculous. I don’t give a crap what Willie says to the press, I do give a crap that he leaves Jorge Sosa in to face a lefty with bases loaded down 2. Willie as an abysmal manager, not just poor, abysmal. Stop acting like those of us who can see that have some type of ulterior motive.

        • Hit The Weights Zeile says:

          roach, you completely missed my point. i didnt say i dislike willie bc i pay his salary and have some right to know. i dont dislike him bc of his post game comments. but his attitude will always rub people the wrong way unless of course he turns into a bill bellicheck type who can do no wrong (even when he cheats) and wins championships.

        • Hit The Weights Zeile says:

          and for the record i dislike him bc of his in game managing. I dislike him bc our team is built in a very classical NL style yet he continues to show he knows nothing about how to utilize that. i dislike him bc after 3 years he still doesnt have defined roles for guys like feliciano, heilman, and sosa. 2 of which have been here as long as he has.

        • Roach2 says:

          Listen, i’m not arguing in-game moves because how can you argue in favor of when the team loses…the original point was alluding to some (not all or even most) dislike willie based on what he says to media…..and THAT is ridiculous…that was my point

  3. nevets72 says:

    We really need a nice start from Pelfrey. He is now an important piece of the rotation puzzle. I do not expect anything from El Duque or Pedro this year. It is also extremly important for the future of this team as we only have two (2) starters locked up for next year, Maine and Santana. Pelfrey’s success/failure could have a significant impact on the FA plan next offseason, which is very vital as we will need to replace 1B and LF.

    • maure19 says:

      i agree with you completely on pelfrey, i just think he’s better siuted for the bullpen

  4. MetsWrightNow says:

    I think it’s less to get Santana a start Saturday and more to get the rotation lined up with Santana, Perez, Maine…. They can do this because there’s an off day on Monday. This is of course if there are no rain outs. I’m not complaining since I’ve got tickets to Saturday’s game but it does seem like they’re doing quite a bit of tinkering.

  5. skillsets says:

    FIRE WILLIE RANDOLPH

  6. dap260 says:

    Maybe Willie can spend a little less time micro managing the rotation and spend it finding the bunt sign that he apparently lost this weekend.

  7. MDMetfan says:

    I know that game time situations sometimes require mirco managment but this kind of stuff is just unnecessary and I think disruptive or at least bothersome. Just let the guys take their normal turn. What is the big deal in the second week of April?

  8. backinbusiness says:

    The Brewers are pitching:
    Friday: Manny Parra
    Saturday: Ben Sheets

    We have Figgy and Santana. Which order do you want them in??

    • Mister Koo says:

      The way this team operates, they will crush Sheets and get shut out by Manny Parra.

      • Nate W. says:

        Manny Parra is pretty good.

        And if I remember correctly he threw 4 or 5 shutout innings of relief against the Mets last year when they knocked Capuano out early.

    • Kellman says:

      So Willie is moving Johan back a day to match up with the other team’s ace in April? Really? This isn’t even Smoltz or Hamels, it’s the Brewers. I wouldn’t switch him if it was a division team, and I definitely wouldn’t switch him for Milwaukee. Early April is no time to start getting cute with the rotation. Let him pitch on his rest - let everyone else work around HIM.

      Plus, I have tickets to Friday night’s game.

    • metzelaar says:

      Santana first, Figueroa second.

      I really don’t understand the “match up the aces” philosophy. Because you get games like Sunday, where your best pitcher has an incredible performance, but because their best pitcher pitches just a little better, it becomes a wasted effort. Why not match our best pitcher against their 3rd or 4th? It increases our chances of walking away with the win, and getting more run support for Santana. Then just hope Sheets has a bad day, or our offense has a good one. It’s more logical.

  9. Jova1931 says:

    This doesn’t affect Santana. He’s still going to make the same amount of starts he would on regular rest. He also seemed to have responded well with the extra day’s rest.
    Pelfrey needs to get in his work, so this works fine. This isn’t an issue. People need to relax.

  10. stickguy says:

    Too many days off (and the rain out didn’t help) in early April. It wreaks havoc with the rotation, and is why teams normally just go with 4 men to start out.

    Hopefully they get it straightened out, and when the games start coming on a regular basis, they will stay on schedule.

    And if a day off comes up that gives them a chance to skip the 5 hole, say thanks and take advantage of it!

    hopefully moving Santana back a day sets up the rotation better for the upcoming series’, especially the Phils in Philly, although Santana is going to miss that one anyway no matter when he pitches this weekend.

    • Mister Koo says:

      Not true. By pitching on Saturday instead of Friday, he’s lined up to pitch the first game of the Philly series (if the Mets use a 5 man rotation including the off day). If he pitches on Friday, he has no chance whatsoever of pitching in the Philly series.

      • m00kie says:

        3 days ago people were screaming their heads off that Santana would miss Philly — it’s lined up, now and the point is missed completely.

        • Nate W. says:

          yea, I noticed that after a while as well.

          People just want to fuss about it either way.

          Santana up against Sheets may or may not work out, but Santana against the Phillies instead of the Nats is always a plus.

  11. GW says:

    Could be a scary week.

  12. bigben10471 says:

    I actually think it comes down to our two upcoming series against the Phillies. As it was, it looked like we were gonna be throwing the exact same 3 pitchers against them both times (Perez, Pelfrey, Maine), with Santana pitching none of them.
    Since part of Santana’s role here is making us forget about the Phillies, and since their middle of the order is left-heavy, getting him some action against them is better for all of us. Now, it looks like the second time against them we’ll be seeing either Santana, Perez, Pelfrey or Santana, Perez, Maine.
    Also works nicely cause I’ll be at that Friday game in Philly and, assuming nothing changes, it’ll be my first time seeing him pitch for us in person.

  13. Mr.Spock says:

    Could be a scary year.

  14. bvaz says:

    third day start for Santana.
    it will be interesting to see how they handle the catching between Friday/Saturday. Give Figgy Schneider on friday night and let Cassanova start the day game after the njight game.

  15. Rob Lowe says:

    you guys are all a bunch of morons on here….It’s 5 games into the season and you are already panicking and,

    1. getting on Willie randolph and he should be fired when its really the players fault when they lose games

    2. Jose reyes because he is off to a slow start…big deal, rather have it now then later in the season.

    RELAAAAAAAAX!

    • CitizenSnips says:

      Heh seriously. Why take it so seriously? It’s just a game. It’s here to entertain you. If you’re getting coronaries from the managerial decisions you need to stop watching and find something else to do.

      • Roach2 says:

        I’m just very very confused as to why this is at all Willie’s fault? The players did not perform…..Man, i’m really seeing Mets fans in a very unfavorable light lately. It’s 5 games in!!!!!

        Yes, i know someone will say, “who cares if it’s 5 games in, they should win EVERY game!” Yes, very good. But last year, some of the same “smart” fans were calling for David Wright to hit the minors after a very bad April. Maybe it’s because of how poorly the team played in September or what, but this negativity HAS GOT TO GO! GET OVER IT!!!!

        • Metsie says:

          If the Mets had lost their 3 games despite playing crisp baseball, it wouldn’t be a big deal to most people.

          But in the 3 losses, all their 2007 problems were factors in each loss–Willie not knowing how to manage, bonehead running, bonehead fielding, no clutch hitting, weak bullpen.

          Supposedly the Mets were supposed to be turning the page from last season. Losing 1 game while looking sloppy would be OK, losing 3 this way is cause for concern…no matter how early it is.

        • Roach2 says:

          That’s a fair assessment, but I’m willing to believe that it had more to do with that unexpected extra day off rather than some “anti-winning effect” Willie supposedly has (according to some).

      • Kellman says:

        Inspirational.

    • SadWilly says:

      This season is going to split this site in half…. Some of you are in serious denial..

      I don’t quite understand why some of you don’t believe Willie Randolph is responsible for last seasons collapse and the continued lack of intensity this team shows in big games. Not to mention his amateur managerial tactics.

      We went from a WS team to the biggest chokers in MLB history and our manager didn’t do a darn thing. He said nothing..

      Most of you seem to think that a manager has no other responsibility than writing the lineup card. That could not be further than the truth. If you look at almost every great champion in the history of sports you will find a great leader calling the shots. Wake up Mets fans. We are a WS team that lacks the leadership to get us there. Who knows what will happen in the next few years. The league will be dramatically different.

      .

      • Nate W. says:

        be careful, its comments like this that got me banned from a blog last April…

        stick your head in the sand like the rest of them, problems in April just dont matter I guess.

  16. xmulderx says:

    I am sorry but getting Santana off his routine is not the way to go about things… Willie made a big deal about saying that saturday when asked if they might bump Santana so he could start the home opener. He said you do not get a pitcher like Santana off his routine. So what happens 24 hours later Santana gets bumped a day. You can’t make this crap up. It is embarrasing! and no Willie should not be fired after 5 games but if this same play from last year continues for 2 or 3 weeks further then yes he has to be fired. He has till the end of April or mid-May the latest and thats it folks. Time for change!

    • Piazza45 says:

      dont forget, theres 4 more chances for another rainout, in which he will be thrown off another day….

      • Metlomaniac says:

        The only way Santana is getting bumped from his Saturday start is if it rains on Saturday. Figueroa and/or Pelfrey will miss a start before Santana does.

    • Mister Koo says:

      Santana is getting bumped so that he could face the Phillies the following week. He’s already going to miss them in the first series. After all the Mets paid to get him, and after what happened last year, why not do whatever you can to make sure he faces them? Would you rather keep him in his routine and let Nelson Figueroa go against them instead? This is what we got him for.

      • xmulderx says:

        Bumping guys so they line up to face a specific team. Hmm then why not bump Santana from yesterday so he starts the home opener if thats the case ? Willie said you don’t mess with the routine of guys like santana and i agree but then 24 hours later he is singing a different tune. I have a problem with that. a big problem. Now your saying he is bumped so he can face the phillies in philly next week ? gimmie a break its april #1 the weather can change all of that. Let the guy stay in his routine and pitch to whomever falls on his day. Later in the year is when you can think about bumping in more important games. But all games are important right now. Screwing with Santana’s routine is just not smart baseball.

        • m00kie says:

          bumping the routine a day before his start and bumping the routine the morning after his last start, thereby defining the routine is like apples and PCs…

        • Mister Koo says:

          Bobby Cox bumped Glavine so that Smoltz could face the Mets yesterday. And isn’t Bobby Cox widely recognized as one of the best managers ever?

        • xmulderx says:

          So Glavine now = Santana ? gimmie a break Bobby will always bump Glavine to keep him from pitching to the Mets it is that simple.

        • Mister Koo says:

          Look, bottom line, Santana is getting an extra 24 hours rest so that he can face the team that humiliated us last year on the field and in the papers. One extra day of rest shouldn’t be that big of a deal in my opinion.

  17. Piazza45 says:

    People are not morons because they dont like willie randolph. You are moron if you do. He lead the best team in the NL to a 88 win playoffless season. Forget these 5 games….his body of work shows he is not a good manager, and his body of work is 3 fullseasons + 5 games. Deal with it, he isnt good. Again, im not saying this based on 5 games im saying it based on 3 years. And since you are throwing terms like “moron” out there, I am comfortable saying that you have no baseball knowledge whatsoever if you are going to sit here and claim willie randolph is a good manager……or you just havent watched him since 2005….one or the other.

    • Roach2 says:

      Hmm, moron if you like him? Interesting

      2005: Took an under.500 club back to respectability and over .500 with just two additions to the club

      2006: NLCS game 7 when most thought 2007 was THE YEAR

      2007: Admittedly a horrible year, but with players like Mota, Schow and Sele in the bullpen, what chance does any manager really have? Not to mention, having no Pedro and losing your left fielder for a considerable amount of time.

      2008: ?

      If he does get fired, i can’t wait to see the reaction of some you to the new manager….i’m going to bet nothing changes…

      • Piazza45 says:

        Well Roach lets look at your response and analyze.

        “2005: Took an under.500 club back to respectability and over .500 with just two additions to the club”

        Just two additions to the club??? Hmm lets see….THEY WERE CARLOS BELTRAN AND PEDRO FREAKIN MARTINEZ!!!! And not to mention that was the first year reyes was EVER fully healthy. Give me a break! He won 83 games…nothing to hang your hat on.

        “2006: NLCS game 7 when most thought 2007 was THE YEAR”

        They were the best team in the NL and didnt go to the WS, loosing to a 82 win team. FAILURE

        Im not even going to address 2007 because, well you know why……

        Over his 3 years, overall he has been bad. PERIOD. Give me reasons why you like him, because the results you just gave me is not reason enough.

        • stellar says:

          Who gave up that Molina HR? Who gave up that Spiezio triple?

          What was Willie’s batting average during the slump last year?

          You guys are unreal. The manager has a minicule effect on the outcome of a game. It’s up to the players to perform to their abilities. When we lose, it’s mostly their fault. Same goes for winning.

        • Kellman says:

          2005 also had a full season from Wright.

        • JSC1968 says:

          1. He had improved the team 12 games each of his 1st 2 years.

          2. He got 88 wins last year with smoke & mirrors.

          3. He stayed optimistic until the end, whereas other managers would have wilted in the face of such a collapse. Pinella would have had a heart attack, and Bobby V would have gotten himself thrown out of every game, just so he wouldn’t have to look at it.

        • JSC1968 says:

          I concur with stellar’s stellar argument.

        • Piazza45 says:

          Who brought in Mota and left him in to face Spiezio?

        • Metsie says:

          I bet everyone says managers have little effect the game when defending Willie were the same people calling for Art Howe’s head.

          Howe won the division in Oakland when he had a good team.

          Willie won the division when he had a good team one year and missed the playoffs with an even better team the following year.

        • VCarver says:

          FYI — I have always said that managers have little to do with the outcome of a game — or at least much less than a GM. Far far less.

          And I never called for Art Howe’s firing. In fact, I thought he got unfairly criticized by both the fans and the media.

    • JSC1968 says:

      No you are the moron. MORON!!!!

      Willie, is a fine manager. But, I’m sure you probably want Bobby V back right?

      Is it Willie fault that the we didn’t have enough starters last year? or that the bullpen got overworked? Or that Paulie, Delgado, Chavez & Alou were hurt for a good portion of the year? That Reyes had the biggest slump of his career?!!!

      Yet, we were the best team right?!!!

      Forget the fact that Jimmy Rollins was an MVP. Chase Utley & Howard we’re All-Stars and Rowland and Burrell put up solid numbers.

      Please go sell STUPID somewhere else.

      • Piazza45 says:

        first off the moron stuff wasnt started by me, i was responding to someone who used that word.

        Secondly, of course all those problems werent directly because of Willie. That being said,

        1- Delgado should have been batting 7th, most of the season instead of killing rallies

        2- I do think he hurt, and is still hurting reyes. He was fine until in spring of 07 Willie told him to take mor pitches and hit the ball on the ground. He made a 22 yr old 19 homeun hitter into a 24 yr old 12 homerun hitter. He should have been totally left alone, not made into Juan Pierre.

        Again, Why do you like Willie randolph? Give me the reasons. is he a leader? Is he a great in game manager? Give me the reasons. You argue silly. Dont tell me why he isnt bad, tell me why he is good.

    • m00kie says:

      morons call people morons, moron. No you, you’re a moron — you too…

      • JSC1968 says:

        So by your own admission. I suppose that makes you a moron as well, m00kie.

        I have an idea … let’s rename the blog to moronblog.com.

      • Piazza45 says:

        And by the way, JSC, by your logic, no manager should ever be fired. Its just ALWAYS the players fault. Im sorry, but a manager is judged on results. Willies results have been poor. Isnt he supposed to get the most out of his players? Make fun of Bobby V all you want but he took a team that had Todd Zeile batting 5th to the WS. That team didnt have 1/10 of the talent the 07 Mets had.

        • JSC1968 says:

          Not in the pitching department, that team had Hampton & Leiter & Reed at the top of the rotation.

          Everybody knows it’s all about the pitching.

        • Roach2 says:

          Here is probably the only area where i agree with you: managers are judged by results. Willie knows what is expected of him. If he doesnt meet those expectations, he will be fired and you will not hear one peep out of this met fan. However, his results to date are poor??? You’re kidding right?

          Hindsight is 20/20 and maybe a lot of you realize this and are not scrutinizing every single play like little hawks. that’s fine…if that’s how you choose to “enjoy” mets games then so be it. But every decision a manager makes is a gamble…i get the feeling that Willie gets no credit from those of you calling for his head when he does something right….which is your choice, but is entirely unfair, dont you think?

        • Roach2 says:

          *are scrutinizing

      • m00kie says:

        we’re all morons down here

  18. JSC1968 says:

    No coronaries here.

    But, the chickens are coming home to roost, you needed to get a couple of good solid pitchers in the offseason. You got 1 fantastic one. Great. Now you have to handle the 4 & 5 spots with smoke and mirrors.

    I have no problem with Willie keeping Figgy from being overmatched by Sheets. Also we don’t know how this shapes things for the rest of the month. Maybe this lineup adjustment helps even more down the line.

  19. wolverine193 says:

    Where have you gone Bobby Valentine…..

    oh right, Japan, please come back!

  20. KFS says:

    Anyone remember why Maine started the year as the #4 starter? So now, you have Santana and Perez (2 lefties), followed by Pelfrey Maine and Figgy (3 righties)!?

    I don’t know, but in my world (EARTH), that’s not only moronic, it’s also hypocritical! Fire this moron now while we still have a chance to close out Shea with an appearance in the playoffs.

  21. dancran says:

    great, i’m so glad I just bought tickets to Friday’s game because that’s when Santana was supposed to pitch. Now I got #5 starter vs #5 starter. Damnit.

    • JSC1968 says:

      Because, Willie knew you guys already bought your tickets and he still moved Santana.

      That bum!!!

      Ship him outta here.

      Anybody know what Art Howe or Dallas Green are up to?

  22. ksuth says:

    F U Wilie!!! I just bought tickets to Fridays game yesterday. Now I get to see the GREAT Nelson Figueroa pitch…. :rollseyes:

  23. KFS says:

    I got 2 fieldbox tix for Friday night at face. Who wants them?

  24. SadWilly says:

    I just don’t get it? This season is going to split this site in half…. Some of you are in serious denial..

    I don’t quite understand why some of you don’t believe Willie Randolph is responsible for last seasons collapse and the continued lack of intensity this team shows in big games. Not to mention his amateur managerial tactics.

    We went from a WS team to the biggest chokers in MLB history and our manager didn’t do a darn thing. He said nothing..

    Most of you seem to think that a manager has no other responsibility than writing the lineup card. That could not be further than the truth. If you look at almost every great champion in the history of sports you will find a great leader calling the shots. Wake up Mets fans. We are a WS team that lacks the leadership to get us there. Who knows what will happen in the next few years. The league will be dramatically different.

    • JSC1968 says:

      Obviously, you have not read the thread, please go back and review our comments to prevent this thread from becoming as long as the tax code.

  25. CharlieH says:

    YESSSSSSSSS!

    I have tickets for Saturday! Wooo-Hooo!

  26. SadWilly says:

    We need to start doing polls outside of this site. someone should set up a Willie Randolph approval rating on a site that isn’t affiliated with the Mets..

    • m00kie says:

      funny .. he wins 2 of 3 and the approval rating was what — 88%? lose 2, and it’s 50/50. Mets affiliation has nothing to do with it.

  27. KFS says:

    To put it in perspective…

    Had the Mets gone strictly with a 4-man rotation to start the season and rotate in the 5th man after this weekend, Santana would have the opportunity to start 7 game before May. Due to Willie’s moves, Santana would only start 6 games before May hits providing there’s no more rainouts.

    One has to evaluate how many starts by Santana we will lose due to Willie’s little moves. We lost by 1 game last year, how important is it to get at least one extra start from Santana this season?

  28. VCarver says:

    I’m incredulous at the fickleness of the fan base. Last week before the Braves series Willie’s approval rating was around 85% (can’t remember exactly but it was something like that).

    Now after two friggin’ losses to the Braves it drops 30 percentage points to 55%???

    Two games :!: In April :!:

    :roll:

    What’s the matter with you people? Sure the team didn’t look great this weekend, especially the hitters and the bullpen, but they were also facing two of the better pitchers in the NL. The Mets may not face a tandem like that again this season or maybe only once or twice more — with Peavey-Young or Haren-Webb. But otherwise, this is the best as the opposing pitching is going to get.

    It’s just too early for the panic and the over-reaction. Chill out.

  29. metman80 says:

    Is anyone tailgating tomorrow?

  30. zen says:

    obviously you want santana to face sheets.

    • KFS says:

      But you don’t adjust your rotation specifically for that! What’s next, push him back so he can face Hamels, Smoltz, Oswalt, Zambrano, etc every time he gets a chance?

      And suppose, god forbid, that we lose the Friday night game because Figgy gives up 6+ runs and Sheets shuts us down like Smoltz, what then?

      • zen says:

        yes. that’s his job. he gets paid $20+ million to pitch against the best. the braves set up their rotation to pitch against the mets. why else would they wait to pitch smoltz and hudson?

        • VCarver says:

          Hudson was on schedule. Smoltz was pushed back because he has a sore shoulder. So it gave him more time to rest it.

        • zen says:

          the only thing smoltz and i have in common is that both of our shoulders were fine

        • VCarver says:

          And Smoltz is their #1 or #2 anyway. So it would have been his turn to pitch this weekend anyway.

        • zen says:

          cox has been setting his rotation to face the mets for years.

        • VCarver says:

          Are you kidding? Smoltz didn’t make his first start until their 6th game of the season and you think his health is hunky dory?

          If he’s healthy and Cox waited until the 6th game of the season to throw perhaps his best pitcher than he’s the moron who deserves to be bashed, not Willie.

          And the reason Smoltz left the game early was his shoulder/arm (or whatever body part was barking at him this spring). He is anything but healthy now.

        • VCarver says:

          If Smoltz had been healthy, he would have opened the season vs. the Nats last Sunday. Not Hudson.

          In fact, he was originally scheduled to get that start but was scrapped due to his arm/shoulder.

        • zen says:

          if his shoulder wasn’t healthy, smoltz should have been on the dl. no way a shoulder heals in 5 days.

        • KFS says:

          Okay, maybe I mis-spoke. What I should have said is that you DON’T push back your ace. You run the chance of him making at least 1 less start. I rather have him make 34 starts this season than him making 33 starts and get to face Sheets.

        • zen says:

          it’s likely that santana will get extra rest when possible to protect the mets huge investment (right or wrong)

          smoltz has made a lot more starts against the mets the last few years than any other team except the nats (about equal)

        • VCarver says:

          zen, Smoltz did start the season on the DL :!:

          You’re nuts if you think a healthy Smoltz doesn’t get game 1 of the season and Cox would skip him until 6 games in.

        • VCarver says:

          P.S. You can backdate DL stints coming out of spring training. I think you can do it as long as he didn’t pitch in an official grapefruit league game during that time.

          You’ll see. Smoltz will not get close to 200 innings this year. He’s got shoulder/arm issues.

        • zen says:

          he’s had health issues the last three years and still pitched 200+ innings

        • VCarver says:

          I believe he’s been healthy the last 3 years. No DL stints.

          This year he started the season on the DL. And he’ll be 42 shortly.

          It’s academic how many innings he pitches this year. So lets make a bet, OK? I say less than 200.

          And back to my original point, the DL stint proves that he was skipped for health reasons.

        • KFS says:

          No one skips their ace for anything BUT health reasons…except Willie.

        • zen says:

          i’ll take the over on the smoltz bet. it’s a win/win for me. either i win the bet or he doesn’t pitch helping the mets :)

  31. ksuth says:

    i think some people were like me and upset they bought tickets because they thought johan was going to be pitching…but you know what. oh well! i’m going to go to the game and have a blast….

  32. boozermetsfan says:

    could not be happier. going to see ollie on opening day and santana on saturday

    • metzelaar says:

      Ollie is a poor man’s Santana anyway, so fans shouldn’t be that disappointed.