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In a post to Phillies Nation, titled Stop Crying Your Heart Out, Tim Malcom gives advice to the Mets and their fans.
…it’s a sad, sad day when a) Philadelphia can mock New York, and b) a Phillies fan is the voice of reason…
…Update…11:10 am…
Charlie Manuel, on being booed in Shea Stadium, as quoted by the New York Post:
“That’s OK. That’s fine. That’s good. As a matter of fact, we got a kick out of that…Jimmy, he definitely rises to the occasion here. It just brings out the best in him. It seems like he always plays a big part of the victory.”
…jeez…glad we can help, charlie…unreal…
the pain, the pain!
At the game, it felt like the crowd was more invested in booing fans in Phillies gear, Rick Astley, and Aaron Heilman than they were in cheering the team during the first 5 innings when everything was going right.
And a shameful amount of people left both when Sosa gave the Phils the lead, and after the 8th.
Sorry day for my fellow fans.
Tell me about it…I was at the game. The fans were invested in booing the Philly fans. However, most of the Philly fans instigated a few altercations. In section 29, I must of witnessed three to four altercations. All resulting in police escorts. Most of the altercations happened before the Mets relinquished the lead.
It’s a shame on many levels. The Mets lost their last home opener at Shea and…plain and simple…the bullpen could not protect the tie…Although, Carlos Delgado is to blame as well.
And yes…the Rick Astley song sucked. Sorry folks.
On my way down the ramp after the game, I was heckled by a few Philly fans. I am sure it’s easy to pick on someone who had to walk with crutches. Thanks Philly fans…You guys are a class act!
i dont think its so much being negative as it is trying to root for this team. they really are very unlikeable. If i have to watch schoenweiss struggle one more time or castillo walk off the field because of his 87 year old knees im gonna flip out. maybe once the offense clicks and we can score more than 2 runs against 45 year old jaime moyer, i will feel a little better
I also find it very tough to like some of these players. This team reminds me of the Yankees, with all high-salary free agents. The only difference is that the yankees won.
I understand your approach, but successful teams (in this case I mean teams that win) need to be able to take advantage of the free agent market. Beltran, Wagner, Pedro and Santana are really our only high priced free agents, and for the most part, those players are very popular. Castillo got an unreasonable contract, but it’s not super high in terms of salary.
Personally I like the team, but I’d like them more if Reyes went back to being Reyes instead of being all business-like. At least we had some personality then.
Well put cmf7.
I was worried about comments being turned off as well, what was up with that?
I don’t blame the Phillies fans though. When we were ahead for so long we mocked them and Rollins till the last day we could. We deserve what we’re getting and don’t have a team with enough heart (so far) to stand up for it’s fans…
And the day I use a Phillie fan as my Psychological adviser, is the day I shoot myself in the head.
P.S. I love the new “Mets Mantra”
One Team, One Million GMs
Anyone ever been to Citizens Bank Park wearing a Mets hat? It’s not like Phillies fans are the classiest bunch in the world. That being said, every time I’m at Shea and see Mets fans streaming out in the 7th inning it disgusts me. I guess that’s the problem with being a successful franchise and having a lot of fair weather fans.
Since when are the Mets a “successful” franchise?
From a business standpoint, the point is to rake in profits, which the Mets do. Perhaps those profits aren’t maximized the way they would be if the team won a World Series, but the franchise is successful because it makes loads of money.
And this is coming from a socialist…
Point well taken. But as far as “successful” on the baseball diamond….I think not.
They might have sold lots of tickets for this season, being the last at Shea…but if its mid-summer and this team is 10 under and tanking….Shea will be a ghost town. Last season at Shea or not.
I agree…Once the Mets gave up the lead fans headed for the doors. People have listened and believed in the hype…When the team does not produce those “fair-weather” fans will head out. The true fans who follow the team through good and bad will remain.
With that said…I am not ready to push the panic button. After all the Mets are six games into a 162 game season. Let’s give it a few more weeks and if things do not improve, then I am sure MOVES will be made.
I still believe. Forget the fair-weather fans…forget the belligerent Philly fans who threw beer at Met fans. That was then…Let’s move on.
Oh God, can we get past this? This franchise has piled nothing but garbage upon its true believers for two solid decades, and I wouldn’t blame any of them if they never showed up again.
If they stink this summer and you still show up, fine, bully for you. But let’s not go down that “deep down, it’s really the fans’ fault” road so many traveled (or wanted to) last September.
The “fan’s fault road”??? What the hell is that. I have no Idea what you are referring to. If some idiots were actually blaming the fans for the awful performance on the field, i never saw that.
And as for the notion that the franchise has piled garbage on its fans? Do you call acquiring santana garbage? Maybe some people would have a more reasonable prospective if they spent a year rooting for the pirates or orioles or another once proud franchise that has been betrayed by their ownership. I think some long standing fans of those franchises might take great exception to those comments.
The “fan’s fault road”??? What the hell is that. I have no Idea what you are referring to. If some idiots were actually blaming the fans for the awful performance on the field, i never saw that.
Heals at Gotham Baseball did it, for one. NY Post also ripped Mets fans the night after the Cards game that last week. And I remember Willie saying “the real fans” were the ones cheering all the way up till the end. There was an unspoken message there – if you were horrified by what was happening to the Mets instead of clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clap-clapping, you weren’t a “real fan.”
And as for the notion that the franchise has piled garbage on its fans? Do you call acquiring santana garbage? Maybe some people would have a more reasonable prospective if they spent a year rooting for the pirates or orioles or another once proud franchise that has been betrayed by their ownership. I think some long standing fans of those franchises might take great exception to those comments.
In terms of on-field results and off-the-field embarassments, yeah, this franchise continually piles garbage upon its true believers. If you want to be grateful that you’re not an O’s fan or a Pirates fan, go ahead.
Well being that the Mets are pathetic, and the Phillies keep beating the Mets….why shouldn’t they talk smack?
Until the Mets do something about it (which they probably wont), keep the slams coming.
We would be doing the same thing, if it was the other way around.
We did it last year. I remember the “team to beat” chants every time Rollins came up to bat early in the year.
No worries, whenever Philly bashes the Mets all I do is remind them that the Giants are Super Bowl Champions and Eli Manning is the Super Bowl MVP, that shuts them up.
How can Philly mock New York? First off, Philly is a football town, so just bring up the NY Giants. Remind Philly fans that Eli Manning is the SB MVP. That will shut them up.
I didn’t leave the game yesterday in the 8th because I’m a faint-hearted or fair-weather Mets fan, but because I and my daughter had to walk back to my car, which was parked somewhere in Nassau County. That being said, this team lacks guts, grit, fire, heart — pick your metaphor or body organ. They seem to just lie down at the first sign of adversity. Some might say that’s true also of their fans. Not so. We only lie down after we’ve been bowled over by their stupendous and continuing ineptitude.
Well said.
I know lots of other major league teams are worse than the Mets….but this is New York. We have a very high payroll, star players, and high expectations.
But I’ll tell you this based on the above users comments – this 2008 Mets team has not one quality that reflects a championship calibur team. Not one.
The Phillies talk A LOT more than the Mets do when they beat us. For a team that brags about a season where they were given the division and swept in the first round, they sure do have whole lot to flap their gums about.
I wish we played 10 more games against them this week.
I don’t understand why “Jimmy” is getting fired up at all. Doesn’t he understand that this is all no big deal, just one game, and that we are just waiting to get into a nice little rythym etc.
Mets fans I know want a scrappy team of fighters, which show some damn heart, and this Willie Randolph attemt to clone the Yankees mentailty is about making me sick.
if you didn’t realize that other teams get a kick out of being booed, or even hearing Mets fan boo their own players, you were kidding yourself. We’re aiding in firing them up and we’re also adding to this teams’ sense of defeat (that many of you think they have). So many of you want this team to lose that sense, but then you go and boo them at any chance, is that really helping?
well, there will probably be only half the attendance tonight, so hopefully the crowd won’t be a factor in the mets play. (that was a weird sentence to write.)
texeira’s HR in Atlanta came just as we had gotten a nice rousing Lets Go Mets chant going… blech
Take this from a loyal since-birth kind of Mets fan…as much as I hate Philly, I can’t help but love their team, their guts and their will to win. They fight back against us with all that they’ve got EVERY TIME they take the field. Their desire to win puts ours to shame. I’m not saying we don’t want to win, it’s just they turn their desire into actions. I’m not sure you can teach that and it is obvious since last September, we don’t have it.
Just tell Philly fans that the Giants won the SB, that’ll shut them up.
So far not only the Phillies is the team to beat but also the Braves and the mets are getting beaten up pretty badly…..
Would you guys trade Reyes, Wright and Beltran for Howard, Rollins and Utley straight up (salary considerations should not be included in this hypothetical)?
Yes, I would trade them all! ha ha ha
no, we have youth on our side, prime defensive positions (which we’re actually good at), and despite everyone already writing off Reyes, he hasn’t peaked yet, and Wright may not have either. Also, Rollins is coming off a career year, I wouldn’t expect him to repeat that.
Sadly, this year will establish that Reyes peaked in 2006 and will go sideways, at best, from last year, with the very troubling propensity to morph into “Reyes Ordonez” for multiple game stretches.
No, only because I have a man-crush on DWright. I don’t think he’s the problem. But I would take Utley for any other Met, hands-down. He’s an obvious winner…period.
Nope, No Way.
Howard is on the decline already. In your example, he would be compared to Beltran. I keep Beltran.
Utley is amazing, but probably not any more so than Wright.
Reyes vs. Rollins. Not a chance. Have we seen the best of Reyes already? I hope not, but maybe, but I have a feeling that as early 2010, Reyes will stand out as a much better player than Rollins.
Now bring on the game so I can feel depressed for another 3 hours!
Reyes best was on display in 2006 – it will be sideways and then downhill from last season . . . Reyes Ordonez
You would have to consider it. Wright and Utley are probably even, Reyes and Rollins are about the same with the glove but Reyes is faster buy Rollins has more power, and no one on this team has Howard’s power. If I only care about winning NOW, then I don’t care about a couple of years in age.
How about go to the game forget the other team and just root for your team. Forget the booing forget all the other crap. scream your head off and root hard.
This is New York, not St. Louis.
meaning you have to be a dick about your baseball fandom?
pretty much, yep
;)
Where is the FIGHT? Where is the I HATE LOSING?
It wasn’t there last year. And it ain’t obvious so far this year.
Without that passion, we’re just playing thru, hoping for meaningful games. What’s the time line on Willie? One month or 6 games under .500…whichever comes first.
DUDE ITS BEEN 6 GAMES.
1986 Mets after 6 games? 2-4 and looked horrible and down on themselves.
2007 Phillies after 6 games? 2-4 , after 10 games? 2-8
Chill out.
One more thing…we let Steven Register go for WHAT? Sosa’s meatballs, Schoenweiss’ karmic meltdowns and Wise’s sore arm.
Steven Register has never pitched an inning of major league ball, in fact, he’s never pitched above AA. Is he a nice arm? Sure, but don’t act like he’s some bullpen savior.
no that would be duaner sanchez ….. whom most of you just penciled in circa early 06……..hahaha…..
and one MORE thing…Its about time this team starts acting like it cares about winning as much as its loyal fans do. OK I’m done now.
BTW, great to see Jose’s looping fly ball swing on display in the 9th down by 3 and needing base runners . . . man, he just missed hitting that bases empty 3-run homer to tie the game
i cant blame anyone for walking out ……real fans know they’re squad inside and out , and they know when the flood gates are open……. they know this ho hum bunch hasnt mounted a decent comeback in a year now…..and the know baseball enough to see when there club starts kicking balls around and going into meltdown mode………. and being A REAL FAN ,that is much to painful to sit and watch over and over and over…………
Your “real fans” are going to look awfully stupid for giving up on the team after 6 games
Since the comments section is turned off on the “possible punishment for Feliciano” post, I will comment here. HE’S gonna be punished? If he had a legit family issue, it is the FANS that should punish the METS! We need this guy, he presumably had a problem that needed resolving in the real world and the Mets never friggin learn. Why not a private plane???? This guy is IMPORTANT to our team! We lost by ONE GAME LAST YEAR! If we lose this year by one game, not having a private plane for Feliciano yesterday might have been the difference. Taxi cab accidents, cancelled flights. Unreal. I’ve been saying for years that the Mets need to maintain their own transportation pool. Team drivers, cars, buses and private planes for when needed. Wilpon has a plane, for heaven’s sakes. It’s just that a middle reliever isn’t considered worthy of one. Omar whoever decides this stuff dissed his fans on our last Shea Opener. Damn them!
ah , hello jay….. can you send the limo down here….. i’m hungry for some 3 a.m.. arroz con habichualas…….
I mean, it’s funny what you wrote, but c’mon, these guys are generating money like rock stars and that’s how rock stars, in many cases function. The band Oasis took a cab in Indianapolis a few years ago and got pretty banged up and had to cancel some shows. It’s not terribly uncommon, but it’s stupid. And it could be the difference between life and death, too incidentally.
Did you just mention oasis in this thread and not let everyone know the philly blog plays off the title of one of their songs?
agree and its a point i didn’t make very well in another thread. i just dont get, from a logistics perspective, how the plan was for his international flight to arrive at 9:30 a.m. Putting aside whether he should have been in PR or not or whatever. The plan is ridiculous. He should have either come back the previous night or be given the game off.
It doesn’t make sense — kind of like Alou just “keeping in shape” for his DL stint…in his home country.
btw…. feliciano isnt worth a private plane…. since when did he become joba…..
dude is right about how uncomfortably and pathetically dramatic some met fans are. they call it “passion” but its actually ignorance of the game, and being big babies.
be home and to the park on time …or stay home….take the day off …. a so so relief pitcher running thru airports the day of a 1 pm game is a joke…….. the mets problem is not transportation..
Sure, its april. But the Mets are 9-21 in thier last 30 games in the division.
Everyone can argue about what is/isn’t the problem, but to think for a moment that there is not a problem is ignoring the facts.
This team will not win the division or even the wild card unless that “problem” is addressed and we at least compete in the division. You don’t have to pound them into submission, but a .300 wp ain’t gonna get it done.
Omar knows this is a big problem for sure, and he may be alot of things but he is not ignorant of the game.
does he know what old men with bad knees and health issues mean….?
Wait, I thought Shea stadium was a retirement home…..isn’t it?
yes it is … where aging latino players come for one last payday….
You actually may have a point there…but dare to say it aloud for fear of being branded. I wasn’t really in that camp for a long time, but I must admit I’m starting to lean that way. Some of these moves that Omar and company have made are very questionable. There’s a long list of young and seemingly talented players he has traded away for some scrub players. I have been rooting for this team for well over 20 years and cannot wait for the next regime change to occur. 2006 was the last year this team had any chance at winning it all.
…are you kidding?!
ARE YOU KIDDING?!!??!??!
YOU WANT REGIME CHANGE!?!?
do you remember how irrelevant the mets were before this current regime showed up?
Let’s just bring back Battlin’ Art Howe
Bannister for Burgos?
hmmm
Castillo for 4 years?
hmmm
Bye bye Gotay????
hmmm
I’m sure you agree with these moves, right?
Also, dont keep that young a fiery Milledge whatever you do, He may actually upset some of the veterans on this team, who are probably more content with collecting a paycheck at this point than actually contributing to a win.
The latino stuff is not even worthy of comment, but the injuries to older players is certainly fair criticism of Omar.
I’m sure he feels you need some of these guys to make a championship run, but there seems to be too much riding on too many of them.
We have been way better off with Omar. But you can’t expect to win when you are the perennial whipping post in your division. I would like to know why we can’t compete better here. Scouting? Talent? Manager?
I would guess scouting. Their scouts are probably misevaluating the talent, just look at the Burgos for Bannister deal or better yet the Kazmir for Zambrano deal. I also would say the managing, Willie makes some moves that anybody with any baseball common sense would never make.
I think they should just make some changes to try to shake things up, because this obviously isn’t working out. I understand its a long season but how long do you want to wait before trying something different. I’m not saying Willie’s a terrible manager, but its not like someone else couldn’t do the same thing.
definitely a problem there, but I wonder about advanced scouting as well – their knowledge/preparation for other teams, particularly in our division. Why does it seem we are always pitched to better , or can’t get guys out (Burrell for petes sake, see his lifetime stats against us?)
Granted, I know nothing of the subject of advanced scouting I just am amazed at how poorly they play against these teams.
Haven’t you seen the Bank of America commercial with Ron Darling – “When two good teams play, it comes down to who wants it more.” Ironic.
I posted elsewhere that maybe some more changes were needed to erase the 07 hangover, particularly in the bullpen. Again, I’m not sure how much could have been done there. Every pen blows games, but its going to be tough to see the same guys blow games and not think of 07 every time.
Well, on the bright side we wont have to see Mota again!! Also, I think bringing in Wise was a good move if and when he gets healthy. The deals such as the Schoenweiss one are particularly bad for baseball. Relief pitching is notoriously inconsistent from year to year, to sign these types of players for 3 years is just bad business. Although I think that these kind of deals are a state of the game today,alot of them will be regreted for a long time. Advanced scouting is one thing actually getting your players to play to their full potential is another. I’m quite sure over the last 2+ seasons that Wille Randolph is not much of a motivator
it’s not just any latino , but old tired pals of omar … from different orginazations be it texas , expos , nats, his minor league days…
he loves giving out nice contracts to buddies and guys he loved …….. all old and shot…
petey
duque
valentin
alomar
franco
lima
castillo
delgado
sosa
mota
alou
guys he tried to bring back from the dead,for no good reason.
sierra
tatis
why no going away present for greenie ???
on and on ….. the omar buddy system
Seems pretty clear to me…I dont kow how anybody could present an argument against it.
I’m starting to see your point.
I am kinda tired or everyone bitching about the Lastings deal though. So far Church and Schnieder don’t look like bad moves. Granted it is early yet, but Church alone has better numbers and Schnieder has looked better offensively than I expected. Long term I think Lastings is going to be a head case and a problem child.
The Santana deal was a good one. We had to give up youngsters for it, but it is worth it. I would like to see more young talent on the team though and less retirement parties.
he is correct. Met fans have become paranoid, waiting for the other shoe to drop. It’s time we got over 2007 and concentrate on 2008. Booing Jimmy Rollins seems to backfire on us every time. The guy is a great player and he walked the walk. Stop obsessing over the Phillies (and the Yankees).
Well, no matter what happens I know where I will be tonight for the game’s first pitch, and yes it will be parked in front of the tube with a cold beer.
I just hope I don’t pop a blood vessel and have to start pounding down brewskies to stay sane tonight.
Go Big PELF! Throw strikes early in the count and a bunch of them tonight. Let the defense play, and may the Mets bats come alive. Reyes 3 for 4, 2 bags stolen and 2 runs scored. Let’s ReyeK (reek) a little havoc!