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The following e-mail was sent to me late last night, clearly from a Phillies fan, which reads:
“So, the only way you can beat us is if Jimmy Rollins is out of the lineup and we make four errors.”
…what hurts here, is that i have no response…until the Mets win a few from the Phillies, i need to keep my trap shut…and i hate that…one at a time, though, buddy…and, yes, i’ll take them any way i can…
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Yeah, who cares how you get them, it goes down as a division W. And if it puts us in the postseason over them, then so be it.
Alot of Braves fans here at Virginia Tech, one said the other day “So are the Mets ever going to beat my Braves?”. Only playing 2 games, I didn’t have much to say, but he was a little slow as he thought they were still 3-3 (when they were 3-5), so I replied with: We don’t have to, you lose to everyone else.
Looking forward to Maine tonight, Eaton always pitches well against us.
Your at VT? I graduated from Radford. Hating VT of course :)
Yeah, I’m from LI, NY but came to VT. Graduating this May and will be heading up to NY to do some full-time work with my Computer Engineering degree. And to get back to Mets games of course.
Unfortunately I grew up in that area and moved even further south to NC. Everyone here is either a Braves fan or a wanna be Yankee fan it seems. Before extrainnings and MLB.tv the only games I ever to watch were against the Braves and for most of my life they were dominated by them. It’s been nice the past 2 years to have something to say back.
You can amke the same argument about the Phillies - they can only beat the Mets when their starting left fielder and #2 starter are on the shelf. To hear trash talk coming from fans of that team is just perplexing. They leap frog a collapsing Mets team by one game, get swept in the first round - and suddenly they’re the Yankees?
next time anyone runs into a phillies fan gloating about last year, just point this out to them…they lost two more games than we did last year…they’ll get confused and wonder what the heck you’re talking about, and just repeat it to them.
…and then reinforce that philadelphia is nothing more than a glorified piss stop between NYC and DC, and this is coming from someone who went to undergrad in philthydelphia
That’s like the ones on here who say the only way the Phillies won the division is because of the Mets collapse. It’s like they are independent of each other. The Phillies had to play well down the stretch and the Mets had to fall apart down the stretch to make it happen.
Last night, the Phillies had to make errors and the Mets had to take advantage of them. They are related to each other.
As for the injury of Rollins, I am sure they would have much rather have had us have Alou in LF and a healthy Pedro on the mound with Sanchez coming in. You can never blame injuries because that is baseball.
Exactly what I’m thinking. They can be snide all they want but if their Rollins/error excuse is relevent then the collapse excuse is just as revelent.
totally
My experience of Phillies fans is that they’re convinced that their injuries last season were far more devastating than ours.
I guess it’s my fault for expecting sports fans to have any kind of objectivity.
The answer to that, Matthew, is :
“And your point is…?”
This ain’t college: a win is a win is a win. We’re not givin’ it back.
Exactly. A win is a win is a win. There’s no column in the standings for “The team you beat wasn’t full strength.”
Style points not neccessary.
There’s no RPI in baseball.
Ummm….ummmm…
The Phillies put their pants on 1 leg at a time, too.
Ummm…ummmmm…
Brett Myers takes off his wife’s pants… and then beats her.
LOL!!
Philly fans are dopes.
EXACTLY!! just like Vin Diesel says in “The Fast and the Furious”, “it’s not a matter of you winning by an inch or a mile. A win is a win” No matter how you slice it teams are bound to have bad games, and it’s not as if the winning team comes off the field bummed out say, “man, if they didn’t boot 4 balls we never would of won.”?? they put the bats to the balls last night and looked decent doing it. However, that many men left on base in an errorless game would not be acceptable
Gertrude Stein?
A similar argument can be made for Philly wins. As Willie pointed out, most of the games the Phillies won the second half of last year were due more to errors by the Mets rather than superior baseball by the Phillies.
I distinctly recall that one of those wins was due to umpire error anyway.
And clearly the Phils won on Tuesday because of the Mets’ mistakes. Someone over there (Rollins? Shrek the manager?) admitted as much.
Sometimes it only takes one flukey game to turn the tide.
i can remember a phillies/mets game in like september and the mets made like 3-4 errors and basically gave the game too…
so….his point being? this goes two ways
Oh Matt…why did you post his email, therefore justifying it?
I mean, seriously…there has to be at least one other out-of-this-world way that we can beat the Phillies.
Look no further than game 1….the Phils dont win that without a Delgado error…..
I’d say the same about the Phillies win Monday.
Anyway remind this clown that he roots for the worst franchise in baseball history - one that took 100 years to win their one World Series (which of course ranks them behind the Mets who are about 80 years their junior), one that has not won a post-season game in 15 years, one that has lost more games than any other franchise, and one whose fan base has become so accustomed to losing repeatedly that they have lost all persepctive and context around a ultimately meaningless 89-win division title.
dave, outstanding post. I was getting at the same thing underneath, but you managed you articulate it much better then I, and it looks prettier when you read it in your words. But we both were getting at the same thing. The Phillie fans seem to think that other people are somehow impressed by their team or something. Because they won one division title they didnt deserve and proceeded to get plastered by the Rockies in 3 games.
The Mets have made the postseason 7 times and faild to advance at least one round only once (1988). I guess I just can’t relate to what it must be like.
Since the Mets have been in existence the fightin’ Phils have failed to advance in 4 of their 7 postseason appearances - 76, 77, 78, and 07. Kind of their MO.
You forgot that their team is associated with the worst collapse in baseball history.
exactly. it would be one thing if it was the braves fans talking, but the phillies fans…please. you had two good months against the mets after 2 and half years of getting smacked around by them
Dont forget, we also need the starter to walk 6 out of the first 12 batters. Or else we cant win.
The funny and momentarily annoying thing is that, these stupid phillie fans think they have some street credit for winning the division or something. It doesnt annoy me anymore, just amuses me when I mull it over. The phillies are the worst team ever. In any sport. In the history of the universe. Well, atleast on this planet. The BRaves win tons of disivion titles in a row, the Phillies folding and choking for the back end of some of those ATL titles. Now they win one division title, on the last day of the year, and proceed to get man-handled by a crappy colorado team that had no business being in the playoffs in the first place, cant even scrape a win out, and their fans think they are some big tough philly team that nobody wants to play. Just amusing. I dont think anybody is the least bit scared of Philly. I just dont.
Put it this way. The Phillies only won the division because the Mets had 7 runs put on them in the first inning of the last game. They took the field with no pressure on them for their final game.
When Maine almost tossed a no hitter the day before all they needed to do was win and be guaranteed at least a tie and they blew the game against the Nationals.
Then they get swept in the playoffs.
Their entire run for the division was improbable … they really had no pressure to win because they weren’t expected to win because no one expected the Mets to blow such a lead.
They have started the season horribly again.
No one talks about this but I think the point is valid. I think the Phillies play well when nothing much is expected or they have nothing to lose. Put them in a position where they are expected to win and they choke.
Last nights win was HUGE. I feel like I can breathe again.
Ahhh, I like it. Sour grapes from a Phillies fan.
Did he forget that in the first half of last year it was the Mets who beat up on the Phillies? Even when Rollins was in the lineup? I guess it’s convenient for Phillies fans to have amnesia, given their horrendous performance in last year’s playoffs.
oh, sillies, will you ever learn?
Guys, guys, guys … lets win the series tonight. Then we’ll talk smack.
I like that plan, let’s go with it!
Yeah!! Rah Rah Rah!!!! :)
Totally agreed..Rah :-)
this is why I love reading this site after a win
That’s what I’m talking about. I’m going to the game, but have 2 extra tix that nobody seems to want.
Anyone interested in buying 2 seats in LR, Sec 11, Row A.
For face ($37 ea.) or a reasonable offer slightly below?
Going for the series win, Maine on the mound, weather is warm.
Lets go Mets!!
give the Phils credit for last year. yes, the Mets collapsed, but the Phils capitalized on it.
but it’s funny how all of a sudden, Phisl fans feel like they have this storied history. it’s like a mets fan saying, how come you guys can’t win a playoff series like we did in 2006?
the past is the past. Rollins is a hell of a player but let’s also face reality, last year was by far his best statistical year. if he backs it up again this year, good for him. but if we took delgado’s best year and Beltran’s best year and so on, we would have a better team than Philly.
it’s a new year and thus far, neither team is stellar as of yet. let’’s get some more games under our belts and then we can talk.
Did the Mets beat the phillies just because Jimmy Rollins wasn’t there?
>magic 8ball shake, shake shake shake<
“ALL SIGNS POINT TO NO”
There you have it folks. case closed…
The Phillies wouldn’t have won most of their games against the Mets if it wasn’t for some uncharacteristic Mets play. Utley made the first error and set the tone for the rest of the team so hopefully this means the worm has turned. A Rollins injury and multiple errors; hopefully tonight the Mets will continue to get the bounces.
Thats kind of why I wasn’t as satisfied with last nights win…it was good to get the W no doubt, but it seemed kind of empty considering the game was all but handed to us.
Plus, its like beating the Braves without Chipper playing…its just not as fun
Somewhere, a bad sports journalist is writing an article pointing out how last night’s game proves how valuable Jimmy Rollins is to the Phillies, and how much he deserved MVP last year, over a handful of statistically superior players because, you know, “his team won the division.”
Gotta hand it to the Phillies, they can really dish out some beatdowns. Of course they all learned from their leader, Brett Myers, who practiced on his wife.
Last night was a gift, but I dont wanna hear it from Phils fans, the Mets gave them about 5 gifts last year. Opening day was a gift, they didnt complain about that.
So the Phillies loss (and Mets’ win) counts less because of who they have injured? Man, where can the Mets sign up for that type of deal? Given all our injuries, we’d be in first place with like 0.7 losses.
And I really, really, really hope that the Phillies’ players are as overconfident as their fans.
You can say the same thing about the phillies last year. It was more the mets losing then the phillies winning that got them the division by 1GAME!
Same thing with Tuesday, if Delgado/Reyes get that out at 2nd we probably win that game.
Errors are part of baseball phils fans. You guys commit em and so do we. Deal with it.
Here’s how I feel: of the 8 runs that we scored last night, how many could actually be attributed to the Philly errors? Was it all 8? I’d have to think that we got at least 3 because of Kendrick’s walks and our hitting, so even if we took away the error-caused runs, we still would have won.
And the Phils only put up 2. There’s not many times that scoring 2 runs will get you a W.
i’m just as big a mets fan as anyone here, but i have to admit, that guy is right. if rollins is in, reyes grounds into a DP and we get NO runs in that big inning. until we can BEAT the phils I’m not convinced. Everyone seems to forget the night before already. last night we did not beat them, they beat themselves. i hope we can pull it off tonight.
You mean the night before when if Delgado would have not had an error we MAY have won the game?
um, didn’t jimmy rollins boot a ball in the home opener last year? still won that game…
How is this fan right?
Their pitcher was terrible last night.
Our fifth starter was statistically better.
Since when is one player completely depended upon to carry the whole team?
Answer: since Rollins joined the Phillies
A true contending team can win ball games without one player.
I agree with miker94….. The mets didn’t beat the phillies last night. The outcome of the game would have been different if the phillies weren’t sloppy and Jimmy Rollins played…. proof of this: The mets did nothing with bases loaded, 2 outs TWICE early in the game.
That’s inductive reasoning, for exactly why your argument is invalid.
Rollins could have made those mistakes as well.
The fact is we know who had the better bats and the better pitching.
Rollins could have made those mistakes as well???????? ha ha ha ha PLEASE!!!!
Well you will never know.
Take same exact game will never happen again.
Bottom Line: Mets won the game of 4/9/08 and Phils Lost.
Mets won the 4/9/08 game only because the phillies (Jimmy Rollins) handed it to them…..a win 100% NOT earned.
Now your just sounded stupid.
If your a Philly fan why would you spend time in a Met’s blog?
Now your just sounded stupid….. Is this your response?? It doesn’t sound to brilliant. Does it?
It may not sound brilliant. However, you still did not answer the question.
That’s fine. Apparently you have not acceptable response.
What Question?
That’s is not proof that you provided as a matter of fact that does not even place reasonable doubt.
Your proof is just a relative outcome of a few innings that had nothing to do with any argument that you are trying to support..
I love how one email from one idiot phils fan makes him the spokesman for the whole phillies fan base…. that was an email from ONE fan… nobody else is thinking that way!
everyone here is a little too sensitive. mets lose a game and its the end of the world. one phils fan makes a ridiculous statement, so all phils fans must be thinking the same thing. please, please, stop overreacting over every little thing.
I just LOVE that jpeg image……typical “Philthy” fan !!
Hey I have a good excuse for last year…maybe the Philly fan would agree:
“The Philly’s would have had no chance to gain ground on the Mets had Pedro Played the whole season.”
As for last night’s game, fortunately for the Mets, they will never know a different outcome other than the Statistical win for the season.
Let them talk. They have the right. The Mets bit the big one last season and until they regain the division, there’s really nothing we can say
There is something we can say and I just said it.
Also this is a new year and all bets are off.
The O’s and Roy’s are in first place (enough said).
Honestly, Jimmy Rollins not being in the lineup was not the main factor in the Mets’ victory. I think it was Kyle Kendrick’s 8 walks.
The Phils only scored 2 runs (one of which was caused by a Met error), the Mets win without the 4 errors. Who cares what a dumbass Phillie fan has to say. Win a playoff game more than once every quarter-century, and maybe you have something to say.
your reply? “What, can Utley only get a hit if he’s standing on the plate?”
Pefect response:
Is the only way your team can make the playoffs is if the other team has a huge collapse?
A belated congratulations to Philly fans for their team reaching 10,000 losses last season.
Their franchise .464 winning percentage is worsted only by the Tampa Bay Rays, who haven’t had 124 years to achieve it.
Matt, you shouldn’t feel bad. The only people who are properly equipped to deal with Phillies fans are psychiatrists. And Soviet gulag prison guards.
And Chris Hansen.
Hey Matt,
Just reply to him that we are playing without pedro, el duque, sanchez, alou, castillo and wise so to stop crying and realize that a bench is part of what makes your team good or mediocre!!
And if it was I might not be able to help adding “and we are sorry your team is inferior”
if it was ME… sorry for that forgot the me
The same way the only way they can win a division is if the Mets hand it to them and let them have it.
“So, the only way you can beat us is if Jimmy Rollins is out of the lineup and we make four errors.”
Umm, we’re going to need those 9 walks too.
You have no repsonse? How about that his team made 4 errors and his starting pitcher walked 9 batters!
Matthew! How dare you get brow beaten by a Phillies fan after your team wins by 6 runs!
Isn’t baseball basically taking advantage of your opponents mistakes most of the time? A pitcher makes a bad pitch, a player makes a crucial error that turns into a rally, etc. Every once in a while you get a great player that can change the course of a game on his own, buta lot of the time it is just waiting for a team to make th first mistake.
Often that can be running the starting pitcher out to the mound to start the game.
Are all Mets fans bi-polar? After the game on Tuesday i would have thought the season was over, but there’s that cockiness again, back with saying the mets handed the division to the Phillies and the Phillies can’t beat the Mets without the Mets making mistakes. How many mistakes need to be made for the Mets to get beaten 9 straight times by the Phillies?
“So, the only way you can make the playoffs is if the Mets suffer the greatest regular season collapse in major league history?”
In one way the two are comparable, but they really aren’t. If last night’s game was clsoer and the Phillies had actually put some offensive numbers on the board, then it would be a lot more similar to the end of last season.
Because, as you know, the Phillies played well down the stretch while the Mets were falling.
Last night, the Phillies didn’t deserve to win on either side of the game.
exactly and by one slim game