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The Mets (5–6) lost to the Brewers (8–4) by the score of 9 to 7 in Shea Stadium this afternoon.
For a recap and boxscore, go to SNY.
…Oliver Perez was sporadic…he looked good, then okay, then better, then bad, and he just could not get a grip…for instance, he looked good, then threw a wild pitch to put runners on second and third with no outs, but rebounded to get out of the inning unscathed…so, even when pitching well, it felt like he was walking a fine line…later, he couldn’t avoid the sloppy inning, coupled with a blooper or two, and quietly the game was tied at six…i get the feeling willie is a bit disappointed in oliver, who erased a four-run lead and dejected while doing so…
…the bats were alive through the first three innings, during which the Mets scored in each frame, compiling six runs…however, after that they picked up just one run the rest of the day…in fact, they had the leadoff hitter on base in the fourth, fifth, sixth and eighth, but did not score…in the seventh, they got a run back, but it could have been more because Brian Schneider was called out on a double-play to end the inning, but he was safe according to me…
…the Mets left 10 men on base, and hit in to four double plays…yet, they scored seven runs…and that’s the thing, i feel like the offense struggled today, yet they scored seven runs, so what does that say about their pitching and defense…
…hey, Gabe Kapler, it’s not the late 90s…settle down…
…Gary Cohen and Ron Darling had a long discussion about the team’s power drought, no sooner did David Wright hit the 100th home run of his career…i notice some fans often criticize gary for being a jinx at times…however, his magic powers seem to cut both ways, which is nice…by the way, congrats, david, on 100…
…Jorge Sosa got out of perez’s jam in his first inning of work, but then allowed a solo home run to Rickie Weeks, to put the Brewers up by one in the sixth…but, he then walked a batter, who went from first to third on back-to-back wild pitches…again, sloppy…sure enough, the run scored to extend their lead…
…later in the game, David Wright made an off-line, but catchable throw to Carlos Delgado, who misplayed the catch, and the runner was safe…of course, he eventually scored…
…again heavy, heavy boos rained down on the Mets as they jogged from the field after the sixth…i can’t believe this is becoming the habit at Shea Stadium…it’s embarrassing, and making me very, very uncomfortable and unhappy…look, boo Guillermo Mota, like they did…that’s fine…of course, mota did everything possible to blow the lead – letting the bases get loaded – but delgado popped out to end the inning, and mota gave an aggressive fist pump in celebration…which only added insult to injury, which was probably the point…
…what hurts most is that this looked like a win, with the Mets in command early…perez let it go, and the offense went to sleep…game over…
The Mets are off tomorrow, and will return to action on Tuesday against the Nationals at home.
speechless
Why? Losses like these are pretty much par for the course at this point.
A loss is a loss is a loss. They all look pathetic depending on the context you bring to the game. The Crew are no slouches, either. I wouldn’t be too disheartened. If anything, I’m liking what I’m seeing out of the offense. We just got uncharacteristically stung by the long ball and shoddy defense.
This game is right out of the final week of ‘07.
It was right out of 1980.
Was it only 4 DP’s? I thought it was 5, but seemed like 12.
Yea, I’m pretty sure it was five double plays. At least that’s what SNY was reporting at the end of the game.
Five, according to the Brewers feed.
with 10 runners left on base and 5 double plays, that’s 15 baserunners that didn’t score, and as they didn’t get anyone on in the 9th, they thus did not score an average of almost 2 runners per inning. atrociously clutchless hitting.
once again, this is a .500 team at best…
bannister won again. milledge and gomez both batting over .300. trade away the youth. trade away the future. and it will be rich when pagan is forced to ride the bench for alou.
omar please quite. thanks for saddling us with that waste of player in castillo for 4 years. can you believe that. four years of nothing out of second and willie insists of batting that punch and judy hitter in the second hold
fire willie, fire omar
the thing is, both Church and Schneider are hitting better then Lastings, so not sure what you’re getting at there. Are you really upset about getting rid of Gomez? Please man, we have Santana, you had to give up talent for that. It pains me when people like you want to make a point, but choose horrible examples that make no sense to make it. Ok, you’re upset with how this team is playing, whatever, but what does that have to do with Gomez and Milledge? I mean, no, Milledge nor Gomez is t batting over .300, that is a lie. A blatant lie. Check your facts. Bannister I understand, but get over it already.
Milledge hitting .303 after today’s game
yes. church and schneider are both hitting for now. but with schneider it won’t last. church may hit .280 this season. but i’ve seen enough. the guy is a lefty kevin mcrenoylds and brings about as much passion to his game. but that’s what the mets want. a passionless team that you can’t get behind.
come on, admit it, the phillies are a hellauva a lot more fun to watch, even when they lose
Then go root for the Phillies and get the hell off this blog.
seriously….who was even bringing up the phillies?
And wow, so milledge goes 3-3 and now is over 300…lets give it some time..
Gomez, went 0-5 and is now under 300
UGH
I disagree — I think their park is a tragedy, and takes a lot of the nuance out of the game. Maybe they’re more fun to watch on the road, but. . . .
That said, bad defense is never fun to watch, and the Mets have slipped a bit these last couple of games. They’re definitely tight . . . which happens when fans boo virtually every poor performance, regardless of effort.
Anyone who wants to question that Santana deal is just crazy and looking for someone to hate. I can understand where one might regret losing Milledge, but calling out Church and Schneider, who have been huge thus far, is silly. I don’t think there’s any evidence as to the level of heart Ryan Church has, one way or the other, and it’s unfair to judge that 2 weeks in. All I know is that he’s played very well, well above the level Shawn Green played at last year.
And yeah, I don’t think the Phillies had anything to do with this. I, for one, wouldn’t want to watch the Kendricks, Moyers, Eatons and Durbins of the world pitch in a joke of a ballpark in candy striper unis day in and day out.
Milledge was batting under .300 before his 3-3 game today and Gomez is batting .269
I think everyone needs to relax with the stats on April 13. Hernandez and Darling have said many times over the past 2 years that it takes about 200 at bats for averages to leverage out. Until then, an 0-5 day or a 5-5 day can drive the stats way up or down.
kind of an ugly game all around, tough game to lose, but we had our chance to win, somehow, it just didn’t happen. Castillo’s DP ball in the 8th was brutal, but if Ollie is able to keep a lead, we’re not even talking about that. I think the booing is getting contagious, but the thing I wonder about it is, what gives these fans their entitlement? What example are we trying to live up to? It’s like Mets fans are saying, hey, you guys aren’t performing up to the usual Mets standard…which makes absolutely no sense to me, considering the losing tradition of this team.
It’s about attention span, or it’s lack. “what have you done for me lately?” now works inning-to-inning, instead of game-to-game, week-to-week, or (more appropriately) month-to-month. Get a hit one inning? Cheers. Strike out the next time up? Boos.
this team is going nowhere and it will be much easier on alot of you if you accept that early this year. its the same team as last year….they are a .500 club. end of story. they are going to get outslugged by alot of teams (as you saw today).
they dont have enough weapons to win consistantly. their ace is 1-2, and their offense is anemic. they wont put up 7 runs for another week…just watch.
they also never EVER EVER EVER get the big hit in a big spot. Wright hasn’t done it yet, the Carlos’ don’t do it…
and Luis Castillo needs to be surgically removed from this team. He is hard to watch, and is no longer a major league hitter. Willie and Omar need to move him to the bottom of the order and let Pagan hit 2nd, or just get rid of him period.
Well, Pagan got a big hit in a pretty big spot against the Phils.
Pagan is the only saving grace on this team.
f uck this team to hell
Okay, now these are the sort of comments / commenters that need to be screened a la Matt’s earlier post.
Exactly, Gipper.
Brian Bannister:
Complete game shutout, and he’s now 3-0. In the AL. Awesome.
Come on guys, can we be a little positive?
If the Cubs can beat the Phillies, we will still be tied with them and only 2 games behind the Marlins for 1st place, who obviously won’t be up there forever. So, in essence, we have been playing crappy, but are still a .500 team. They will play better than this and go on some winning streaks. Gotta have some faith, and Ya gotta believe. Even if it is only 12 games in, it’s never too late to start.
You’ll see more losing streaks than winning streaks out of this bunch. You honestly think these guys can win 5 straight? hahahahahaha
Also, remember how horrible the Phils were to start off.
I hope the boo’s continue all year. It will send a message to Omar and Willie that their master plan is crap.
Analysts abroad predicted the Mets to win the division. All this talk about Santana, and how good the Mets are and blah blah blah. High payroll, star players, and high expectations…the fans didn’t build that up. The Mets brass and media did.
So when you get a 500 team disguised as something better….boos are going to happen.
I heard 2500 times “The mets need to get a hot start out of the gate to forget about last year”
Well guess what…they are 5-6 and thats hardly a hot start. They can’t beat the Braves, cant beat the Brewers…all big hitting teams.
No one has forgotten about 2007 and it wont happen for a while. Same team….same crap results. I would be shocked if the Mets make the playoffs.
The upside of that is we dont have to watch Willie Randolph at Citi Field next year.
Actually a huge majority of analysts picked the Braves to win.
you are simply wrong, most analysts did not pick the Mets to win, in fact, some even picked them to finish 3rd and miss the playoffs. Stop lying.
Wound a little too tight again today darkstar?
I think it is time to stop being embarassed by the boos and start being embarassed by the team that collapses and the franchise that holds nobody accountable for it.
Wow, the negativity is really comical! I agree, it was an awful loss, but now u want to fire Willie AND Omar?!?! Lets not make to much of a big deal about the rough start. There are a lot of good teams that have gotten off to rough starts (Tigers!!). And David Ortiz has worse numbers than the majority of baseball, should Boston trade him?!
This week we get back Sanchez and Reyes, that should be a shot in the arm. I expect a beatdown on Washington. Its time for payback, and also to shut milledge and lo duca up.
No, I wanted to fire Willie after the Collapse. And put Omar on notice. Now, eh….maybe too late as making in season movs rarely work.
Yes, any other year a rough start can be (and would be) shrugged off….but this lackluster sub-.500 quality of play dates back to last May and includes the worst collapse in baseball history. I don’t know how people do not understand how THAT is the source of the angst, negativity and short fuses here on the blog and at Shea amongst a fanbase that has a history of “ya gotta believe” optimism. It isn’t merely the 12 games of this season.
Lets not forget … the COLORADO ROCKIES made it to the World Series last year!! The Rockies!!! That is all u need to hear. To tear it down or make a panick move would be foolish. The teams that make it to the World Series from the NL are not the Yanks, Tigers, Sox, Angels…. The Cardinals won it all two years ago, and the Rockies made the playoffs and dominated opponents to get into the Series. The point is, the N.L. is waaayyyy too weak and erratic to start throwing in the towel. We have been awful thus far, but jeez, its early.
I hope so…and as I sadi, there’s always hope. Personally, i would have held Willie accountable and fired him after the Collapse. If for no other reason than to change the vibe a bit and not have the fanbase as antsy as it now is.
I posted this in the other thread but with all the doom and gloom it might be better here. I’m still optimistic we can turn it around but hypothetically if we’re still a .500 or below team in July where do we go from there?
I’m very disappointed so far, just like everyone else. However, it is very early. Last year Wright didn’t hit a HR for a long long time and by the end of the year he was a MVP candidate. The Phils were garbage at the beginning of last year and won the NL East w/o major changes to their roster, so there is hope as it is pretty early.
There is ALWAYS hope.
Let’s Go Mets!
well said. look at what the Rockies did. It’s baseball and we know anything can happen. While I am frustrated just as much as any other Met fan, we have to stay somewhat positive and hopes that this sub-par .500 ball they have been playing since June last year will come to end and we can get into our groove.
LET’S GO METS
That’s a good question, but the answer is probably no where because I don’t think willie’s getting fired during the season and i don’t think there are any major moves the team can make to drastically change the team.
What has me the most worried is when was the last time the Mets won a game after being down at all in the game? This team used to be able to come back against any team, now a one run deficit feels like a certain loss. Who do you blame for that?
I’ve been very negative on Willie, but have given Omar a pass and will continue to do so unless this trend continues and he does nothing.
I know the other teams aren’t playing well but we should not care about the other teams. If the Mets get the job done then we won’t have to scoreboard watch.
You go nowhere….ride out the season for what its worth. Then there will be some serious offseason moves to get YOUNGER.
Get the slop off this team. 2006 was the year to win it…..the Mets choked. You wont see a Mets team that good again for a long time.
The best thing that can happen to this team is for a medicore season missing the playoffs. Then the expectations come down, the fans wont expect that much and Willie Randolph leaves town.
The only possible way I can think of to get younger is to trade Beltran. After Wright and Reyes, who should under no circumstances be traded, he’s the only player who would get back a decent package. And even then he’s not going to be a great package because you only get those for starting pitchers
So I really don’t think there’s anyway this team is going to be getting dramatically younger by next year. In fact unless some of the players in double and triple A make huge leaps and are ready to play next year I’d expect the make up of the team to be mostly the same.
Well, Alou and Delgado will be gone, and it would be almost impossible to get older at those spots!
Plus Duque (who IMO is already gone), and possibly Pedro.
Plus likely Easley and Anderson from the bench.
that is 6 duys age 35+ probably not here next year. A perfect opportunity to blend in some more youth.
Actually, the only old guys are likely to be Wagner (36?) and Castillo (ugh, but 33) and Schneider (33 too?).
Dont worry. Omar will look high and wide for other aging latino scrubs. Guaranteed.
Not more L0s Mets nonsense!
(Although Las Metas would be a more apropo–if somewhat sexist-moniker fr this team right now.
I will say that booing a team for every bad action-not even performance but action-is quite literally infantile. It is the mark of a person who has no self-control, who has no maturity, no patience, and no perspective. It is the mark of a person who lives by way of unmitigated impulse, a boor, an ignoramus. “I no like…BOOO! I like…YAAAY!” And it therefore means nothing. It takes no account of the effect of your actions or the intentions of others, both of which are marks of maturity.
David Wright is off to a bad start as far as batting with runners in scoring position and throwing the ball. Yet, without him, the Mets do not even possess the illusion of having an offense period, let alone any sort of world beating offense, and you’re going to boo him??!!. He was, aside from Marlon Anderson, our clutchest hitter last year, and is our best hitter this year in terms of OPS. (Let us leave aside for now the Pagan flash-in-the pan.) He has constantly demonstrated his devotion to the game and to the team. No one works harder than DW.
Yes there are some legit reasons to boo. Mota, for instance, last year was invariably and astoundingly bad , and should have not been able to throw a pitch without thinking that he was in a stadium full of ghosts. Willie, every time he put Mota or Schowenweiss in situations wherein they obviously had no business should have heard it. Willie cost the team a playoff berth last year, and was stubborn, defensive, and evasive about it. Glavine in the last game merited a couple of flying hot dogs.
But 12 games into the season? These players are playing for you folks. Some things are not going their way. And even if they are a .500 team, is that any reason to boo? They are what they are, and they are doing what they can. And if anyone has any evidence that some players are dogging it, or truly don’t care, or who authentically suck, boo the heck out of them. But 12 games isn’t enough to make any kind of conclusion…unless you think Kendall has any chance of winning the batting title this year.
You guys want to be productive? Call for Castillo’s head (he is a blight on the order even on his best day–as we have seen today) Scream for the heads of Willie and Omar–you can make a case for that, but booing indiscriminately whenever things don’t go your way, regardless of the circumstances, is stupid.
I disagree, Reyes should definitely be expendable. He has shown to get down too easily and even his hustle has been reduced.
In my opinion Wright is the only untouchable on the team.
I stand by my earler trade idea before getting Santana:
Trade Reyes and one minor league pitcher for Bedard and Brian Roberts, then sign Eckstein to take Reyes’ place.
The Mets would have some hustle instead of moping losers.
Willie should have been canned immediately and Wally Backman hired.
Omar should have been dumped also but that would have been less likely. Maybe after this season he will be canned.
It was a huge mistake to not fire Willie the day after the collapse. It was an unacceptable turn of events, and to let this man continue to steer this ship (into the ground) is ludicrous.
Omar needs to go too. OK, he got Maine and Perez. Woohoo! Enough already about Maine and Perez, as if they were Koufax and Seaver. Seriously, enough about Omar getting these guys as “throw-ins” for deals. It is not like he out-maneuvered GM’s and has an acute sense for talent. He got lucky and we have a couple of semi-above average pitchers.
What else do we have?
Broken down “stars” who don’t produce at league average levels:
El Duque
Pedro (yeah yeah, he changed “the culture” of this team, allowing them to sign such CLUTCH stars as Beltran & Delgado)
Castillo - are you kidding me with 4 years? FOUR! Preposterous.
Delgado - power is gone, clutch is gone, leadership is gone.
Alou - yeah, he can still hit, WHEN he plays.
AND on those days when we do tack up some runs and our SP have decent outings (god forbid they should toss more than 5-6 innings), our STELLAR bullpen will be there to blow it. Just wait until Wagner gets his first 1 run lead to protect in a big spot against the Phils, Braves, or Yankees. He’ll walk the first 2, blow the game, and tell reporters how “I sucked today, I just didn’t have it”. Choker.
Is it time to panic?
Yes.
Finally. Somebody that gets it.
Please make us all happier and find another team to root for.
You already seem to be pretty happy with the way this pathetic team is performing. Don’t let me stop you.
Only 11 games in, this team is not in a bad position actually. Better record than the Phils and Braves.
There are too many dumb things you say in this to address all of them, but let me try to address a few.
First of all, there is no such thing as clutch. I’m sorry, its fake.
Wagner is one of the top 5 closers in baseball right now, and it doest matter what kinda situation he’s put in, he usually gets the job done. But just like any other closer, when he blows just one game, everybody acts like its the biggest most clutch game in the world, and that he is a terrible closer. But when he shuts a team down 1-2-3 in the 9th with a 1 run lead, everybody just takes that for granted and just forgets about it.
Maine and Perez were not just “lucky” throw ins for the deal. If you critisize Omar for trading away Bannister and (especially) Bell and Ring, you have to give him credit for getting guys like Maine and Perez. Under your logic, since he was just “lucky” when he got Maine and Perez, then I guess he was just “unlucky” when he traded away Banniester and Bell, so I we can’t hold that against him.
…but yes, I do agree with you that giving Castillo 4 years was rediculous and I think that was a miserable move. So its not like im just some kinda Omar fanboy or something.
castillo was offered 3 years from a couple of other teams so omar figured he had to offer four since this is new york and all.he did hit 300 for us last year played great defense and is a lifetime 295 hitter. castillo is also one of santanas best friends,santana really was upset that the twins traded away castillo last year, who knows if we didnt sign castillo would santana really want to come here that bad. so add castillos salary onto santanas and thats what the contract is really worth.
Castillo’s .300 average is mitigated by his complete lack of power. His real value is his roughly .370 OBP. He is, however, old, declining, and gimpy. It was, in my estimations, the dumbest and most inscrutable move Omar made all offseason.
Your man, by the way, just got over the Mendoza line. My congratulations!
What a pathetic, putrid effort today. This team from the GM on down deserves to be BOO’ED If they think Met fans are going to except this non-motivated, dreary looking , dead pan effort this year they’re crazy. Delcrappo is a piece of crap . What a BORING team , they’re about as exciting as their manager. And what will Steamboats story be today…we battled,… it’s just another game? Hey Omar the team you put together is boring and this is for you and your organization.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
You are unsettled with all the booing at Shea? Well I’m unsettled with the way some are taking these performances. It’s not that we’re losing, it’s HOW WE’RE LOSING. This team plays like they are just waiting for the game to be lost. It’s an attitude problem and a team chemistry problem. Sure, some of you say that, “Well, at least we found our offense this game.” Well that offense won’t be there the next time we have a great pitching performance. And the next time our offense has a great performance, our pitchers will fail us. Can some of you not realize this? These aren’t just losses…just like last year’s losses weren’t just losses.
I don’t like the BOOS either but I understand them. Its frustration, disappointment and a reaction to broken promises.
We’re constantly being fed messages like “THE TEAM, THE TIME, etc” and we end up with an uninspired product on the field.
Meanwhile, we’re also forced to watch the Yankees always making the playoffs and Yankees fans laughing at the Mets and Mets fans. Obviously what the Yankees do have NOTHING to do with the Mets, but you’d be a fool to say that having them in our city DOES have an affect on the fans.
We see up close what we could have, we hear our neighbors and our friends laughing at us and our team, we as a fan base have reached the boiling point and its being expressed by BOOOOOS.
Darkhorse,
You may be the most negative Mets fan I`ve seen in a while. This team has a legitimite chance of winning in the playoffs this year. Look around the National League!! Every team has serious flaws, all the contenders!!
Arizona= awful closer, average offense
Chicago=starting pitching, shaky closer
Atlanta= starting pitching, bullpen
Philly=starting pitching, shaky closer
Colorado= bad starting pitching, ugly bullpen
San Diego=horrible offense, ugly bullpen
Everyone has problems, the Mets are a legit contender in the N.L.
Wow, an amazing voice of reason! I know after the collapse our patience is thin, and that is understandable, and I know the first 11 games have been frustrating, but all of you negative Mets fans are being absurdly irrational. You cannot annoint this team a “.500 team” after 11 games. The Sox and Yanks are both 6-6; do you think they are “.500 teams”? The Braves are 5-7 and the Phillies are 6-7. Are they “.500 teams”? I have confidence that this team will turn it up. Everyone here needs to tone down the negativity.
Arizona has an average offense? I’d say they have a young offense so it’s going to have consistency problems, but have you seen the way they’ve been scoring?
I dont think Brad Lidge is a shaky closer..in fact he looked pretty dominat today against the Cubs. Lucky for the Mets the Cubbies pulled it out in the 10th.
maine is good but that was dumb luck. and frankly, i’ve seen enough of perez. this is what he is. sometimes great sometimes awful. that’s ok for a fourth starter, but not a number 3 or number 2.
Teams are going to not execute at time - whether it’s on the mound or at the plate. What is INEXCUSABLE
is the lack of fundamentals that this team displays.
Ok, this might not make sense but I’m gonna say it anyway…
Last year, as Gary Cohen had mentioned, the Mets record at home was worst than their away record.
Maybe, just maybe (as I said I might be wrong) they don’t win at home as much because the fans have been a little erratical. I mean don’t forget that David Wright DID get booed at Shea last April. I’m not saying that the players aren’t to blame because obviously they make millions and millions of dollars and they ARE professionals and should play way better than they have….but I don’t know….
Wasn’t this an exciting team in 2006? Where did that all go?
i haven’t been watching much this season.
My heart just isn’t into this team after last season.
Is Delgado bored yet? It bothers me that no one not the manager, coach, players etc. has yet to take him to task on this.
Looks like we should just download the archive and copy and paste from last season.
Angel Pagan is the next Ruben Gotay. Maybe he can help the Braves somewhere.
Wilpon has presided over the longest drought for a championship in Mets history. This team ain’t getting better until ownership changes.
They’re just the manyana mets waiting for tomorrow again.
On the sidelines ’til this team shows me something.
If there is one group or individual that should not be blamed for the Mets’ woes it is Fred Wilpon and family. They have literally spent 100’s of millions of dollars trying to improve this team. We are fortunate to have ownership that is willing to spend so generously, considering that there are many, many teams that spend NOTHING when they have plenty of resources (i.e. The Twins). Its time for people to accept, for once, that losing comes down to the players. The manager deserves some of the blame, but it is ultimately the players not doing there job, for which they are paid extravagant sums of money, that deserve the blame.
9 R 12 H 3 2B 1 HR 5 RBI .300 AVE .364 OBP .450 SLG 118 OPS+
Sure looks like a bored line to me. Delgado has been remarkably solid, if he’s your gripe, shut up.
Zeekster, I am as frustrated as anyone, and get dinged for being too negative on this blog….but you cannot only wacth the team or have your heart into it only when they are good. That is not a true, loyal fan. I may get mad I may yell at the TV, curse, moan and wail. I may want Willie fired (last year!). Etc. Etc. But, every day or night at gametime, you’ll find me rooting for the Mets to do well. In good years and the many bad years.
when was the last time the mets came from behind to win a game??????????????
9/23/07 @ FLA. and they were only down 1 run.
this team has absolutely no heart. Outside of Wright, not one player has a clutch bone in his body. This is a .500 team at best and has no chance at post season success. They demonstrate zero mental toughness, zero heart, and zero desire to win. To make it worse, nobody in the organization seems to care, nobody on the field will step up, and Willie can only offer blind faith…”we will be ok, we will be ok, we will be ok” guess what Willie, your team will not be ok, you are not ok, and the only hope for this team is to FIRE WILLIE.
To fix this team
1) Fire Willie, replace with someone who demostrates PASSION and TOUGHNESS in their coaching style.
2) Fire Rick Peterson, only to see if someone new can revive these pitchers (mostly the pen) by simply teaching them to throw strikes!
3) Trade / Release Delgado and Beltran - Begin the youth movement by getting rid of your 2 most overpaid and least clutch players. Ever since Beltran was frozen by Wainwright to end the NLCS he has NEVER recovered. Get pitching pitching pitching in return…
4) Begin the youth movement, let Michael Abreu and Pagan, F. Martinez and R. Church develop (gotay should be on this list). Mets fans wont mind losing in exchange for developing young talent into future stars.
Lastly, I’m shocked our own Matt Cerrone is upset and embarrassed about the booing. These players deserve to be boo’d. We as fans deserve more of a complete effort from these players. We pay their salary, and are getting NOTHING in return but 3 hours of misery. If your a proud mets fan, continue to boo these players in an effort to spark CHANGE in the organizations direction!
Yes, if you are fan, continue to boo the players. This will insure that potential Star free-agents will avoid the Mets like the Plague.
The type of Potential Star who shy’s away from an organization who’s fans Boo is the exact type of Star player WE DO NOT WANT TO SIGN. A star who is scarred of getting boo’d if he doesn’t perform is a mentally weak player who isn’t worth the millions!
I heard Texierra loves to get boo’ed. It helps him hit homeruns. These are the kind of players we need. Players who get inspired by boos. David Wright told me the other day: “Met fans are the greatest. I love when they boo me. It makes me clutch.”
Of course, Teixeira (note, only one “r”) also knows that the word “booed” doesn’t have an apostrophe in it.
Get rid of Beltran?
Are you on crack?
Everyone off the bandwaggon early is good, that way, we know who has an ounce of loyalty in their body beyond being able to cheer everytime we win a game, which by the way, I’m pretty I could train my cat to do.
Your boy Wright has failed to come through in clutch situations throughout this season. Be fair, man. He’s no less to blame than anyone else. He’s just as accountable, especially when he can’t make a throw to first base anymore.
Trade Beltran? I’d much rather trade you & your tickets in exchange for a fan that makes sense.
“We pay their salary, and are getting NOTHING in return but 3 hours of misery.”
Yes, and starting starting Michael Abreu and F-mart will eliminate this so called misery. Dude, lay off the crack for a while.
Starting M. Abreu and F-Mart will pay dividends in the long run, its not a strategy to win now. The win-now strategy clearly is not working anyway. Why lose with old, aging has beens when we can develop our young talent to help build a team that can compete. Your clearly way to short-sighted to ever have a clue.
Boy, you’re really an idiot.
Your the idiot who can’t seem to grasp the fact that this team is not going to win now…so why not build for the future?
Read my post below, dude. Putting all of your faith in Michael Abreu is not builidng for the future. He is like only 2 or 3 years younger than Carlos Beltran for crying out loud.
You really don’t understand. I’m not saying to put all your faith in Abreu, im saying give your inexperienced players who have shown they are quite talented a chance to play. Look at what Pagan is doing with his opportunity, oh and btw he is only a few years younger then Beltran also! Its about the future, these players are not better then Delgado or Beltran at this point but they may turn out to be in a few years, and the only way to know is to play them! As I said, this team isn’t going to win now anyway, why not build for the future?
sjdeppe, do you even follow the Mets farm system? I mean honestly, cause if you did, you would know the prospects that they have down there and you would make more logical sense.
you are not trading beltran, you are not starting michel abreu, period.
you are not going to bring up f-mart now, THE KID IS WHAT 19 YEARS OLD, let him freaking develop!
the guys you have to look out for are on the B-Mets, yes F-Mart is the future, you will see him next year I am sure, also look at Murphy, Evans, and Carp, that’s your future. also guys like niese you want to let develop
and wait, oh man, get this, you don’t have to trade away your all-star center fielder
i’m all for building for the future man, but seriously, do your homework before you speak
Wow, just wow. Lets try to approach this calmly…
this team has absolutely no heart. Outside of Wright, not one player has a clutch bone in his body. This is a .500 team at best and has no chance at post season success. They demonstrate zero mental toughness, zero heart, and zero desire to win. To make it worse, nobody in the organization seems to care, nobody on the field will step up
Everybody on this team wants to win, and if you think otherwise you are just wrong. But baseball is a tough sport where if you fail 6 times out of 10, you will be the best player to ever have played the game. Its not like they don’t want to win, but baseball is tough, and just sometimes, they don’t come though. It happens, but not because they don’t care. And also, clutch hitting doesnt exist.
and Willie can only offer blind faith…”we will be ok, we will be ok, we will be ok” guess what Willie, your team will not be ok, you are not ok, and the only hope for this team is to FIRE WILLIE.
Yes, we’d be much better off if Willie went to his post game press confrences with his underwear on his head running around screaming “We’re all gonna die!!! We have no chance at winning anything, ever!!!” Too bad we don’t have a guy like Joe Girardi, who everybody was so high on over the off season. He will fix this for us and its not like he’d let anything like starting out 5-6 go on under his watch… what is that? The yankees are 6-6. Oh. Maybe this whole change the manager thing is a little overrated. You think?
more to come…
woops, forgot to close the bold.
Continued…
To fix this team
1) Fire Willie, replace with someone who demostrates PASSION and TOUGHNESS in their coaching style.
2) Fire Rick Peterson, only to see if someone new can revive these pitchers (mostly the pen) by simply teaching them to throw strikes!
Yes, because firing Rick Down in the middle of last year helped us so much.
3) Trade / Release Delgado and Beltran - Begin the youth movement by getting rid of your 2 most overpaid and least clutch players. Ever since Beltran was frozen by Wainwright to end the NLCS he has NEVER recovered. Get pitching pitching pitching in return…
I’m sorry but that is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Delgado was bad last year, no doubt about that, but are you seriously suggesting giving up on the entire season after just 11 games, and cut him loose. Even if we did, how would that help exactly?
As for Beltran, well again, you are just wrong. He put up a line of .276/.353/.525 last year with 33 homers, 112 RBI, 23 stolen bases, and a 126 OPS+. But, yes, he probably got out a few times with a runner on third and less then two outs so we should just release him. That will help.
4) Begin the youth movement, let Michael Abreu and Pagan, F. Martinez and R. Church develop (gotay should be on this list). Mets fans wont mind losing in exchange for developing young talent into future stars.
Yes, lets hand over the reigns to Michael Abreu. He’ll be much better than Beltran or Delgado, and I’m sure he will never fail to get a guy home from third than less than two out. Lets give a chance to the guy who is around 29 years old who still hasn’t had a single major league at bat in his career. Yea, I’m sure he’ll have alot of heart and be better than those overpaid bums, Beltran and Delgado.
…amazing
Why dont you try reading my opinions and thinking about the outcomes before you respond. Ever hear of thinking before you speak? I did not say this will fix this team in the short-term, my opinions are how to put this team in a position to win in the future. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. Its 11 games into this year, but over the last 120+ games this team has played .500 baseball. Without change why should we expect a different result?
Trading Delgado and Beltran at this junction will get us great players in return because both players still have value. I’m not saying to get rid of them for nothing! Do you know anything about how the Florida Marlins won 2 championships in 1997 and 2003? and now have top notch talent like H. Ramirez from trading Beckett???
Instead of bashing opinions with a closed mind why don’t you share what you think is best jose-jose-jose?
Yes, we should model ourselves more like the Florida Marlins…
*sigh*
Ok, then propose a trade that involves Brltran and/or Delgado that would make us better. And yes, it has to be a realistic trade. I’m all ears.
Trade Beltran and Delgado? Even if if did agree with those suggestions, which i don’t, do you not understand the econmics of running a baseball team?? There are only a handful of teams who could afford Beltran’s contract. So most likely the mets would have to pay a large portion of it, and take back lower tier talent. And Delgado is in the final year of his deal, so why would any team trade top prospects for a player at the end of his career who will hit the open market in 6 months? It just doesn’t make sense. Soyour best bet is hoping Delgado can continue with the #’s he’s put up this year so far (less power will have to be accepted and hopefully a bit more clutch). And accept the fact that Beltran is here to stay (thankfully)
Tough loss, but everyone needs to relax. The Mets lost this game because Perez imploded. All pitchers will go through that this year (and let’s not forget that the Brewers are undefeated against lefties this year). By booing, all we are doing is making the players press more, get more nervous, and causing them to “choke” in big spots. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.
There are positives to focus on - Reyes and Duaner return on Tuesday, and Heilman seems to have settled down.
Castillo can be counted on to hit around .300, so wait for the hot streak to come.
The big issue I see right now is that we are overworking the bullpen. We need some 7-8 inning outings to give them a rest. Out starters (other than Santana and one start from Figeroa) are not getting the job done. Go Big Pelf!
i agree but these are the same comments we read last year in September
A hot streak for Castillo? Is that where he actually hits the ball out of the infield? Did you see him hobbling on that bloop double? And yet we are stuck with him for an inconceivable 4 years!!! IF anyone can come up with a valid reason as to why Omar signed this clown to 4 years, please respond, cause I just dont see it.
As for the offense the Brewers hit 5 home runs in two games! The Mets can only produce that number in 11 games. When is Goldilocks Beltran gonna step up to the plate and belt one?
to answer your question about castillio: he’s a good fit for the mets, and once reyes starts getting on base, you will see the value of castillio. Yes it is true that he has aged since leaving the Marlins and his glory days have come and gone, but he provides solid defense, good leadership and will keep reyes focused in the field. His bunting skills are some of the best in the game and that is what you need in a number two hitter that bats behind reyes, you don’t need every single guy to clobber the ball for a double, this isnt the american league. it is a known fact that castillio is weak thats why he hits only 8 - 10 homers a season. but the skills he has to work the count, get on base, and slap the ball the other way is tremendous, and when he goes on a hot streak in the season along with the rest of the team im sure you will see his value.
I posted this in the other thread, but I’ll say it again here. The boos are MUCH louder at Shea than they are sounding on TV. It has been pretty ugly in a number of spots already.
I think booing Santana was ridiculous, but I can understand a lot of the rest of it, even though I have not been booing anyone myself.
I have been to every game but today, and I will be going to two of the Nats games next week. I’m going to continue to support this team, and I will not boo them… But they have been sloppy and they appear to be bored.
So I can understand the boos. After the way the team deflated last year the fans want to make noise. They want to get loud and react to things.
There hasn’t been a whole hell of a lot to cheer for so far.
I don’t boo my team, but I understand the frustrations.
So I’ve noticed that nobody has mentioned yet the two wrongly called double play balls at first. Church was clearly safe and so was Schneider. I saw the Milwaukee broadcast. Their camera for a brief second showed Church looking into the dugout wondering why he was the only one arguing the call when he was clearly safe. Typical Willie just sitting there. And where was Willie after the Schneider call? Just standing there.
Defend your players for once Willie!! Are you afraid of umpires?? You don’t have to get tossed from the game, just put the ump on notice that you know he missed the call. It’s little things like that that lose the respect of your players, Willie.
And why is Brady Clark running on contact with no outs? You have to leave it so there’s 2nd & 3rd w/ 1 out. People want to complain about Castillo but he’s playing hurt, had 2 hits and would’ve moved the tying run over on that play if Clark wasn’t running on contact.
Lets keep boo’ing. This way, our team will have a better road record than a home record. Like last year.
Excellent point, Don. I too noted the look on Church’s face as he looked back to the dugout to see if Willie would back him up.
Um, portastatic, Don’s post never mentioned anything about booing.
portastatic:
PS: no apostrophe in “booing”.
i’m done with this site, people complain about the same things day after day, its just boring. Oh boy, Castillo’s contract sucks, well yeah, you said that 2 days ago, yesterday, and today, what’s changed? It’s not even annoying anymore, its just boring. Omar traded away Bannister, yeah, we knew that a year ago, we knew that 6 months ago, we knew that yesterday, what does it change? BORING. When people start talking baseball here again, i’ll come back, but if all people are going to do is complain nonsensically, i’m done.
What would you like us to talk about? The excellent execution of the Mets offense?
Is it me or are we just an average team looking at 80-85 wins this year..excuse me, a slightly above average team…
I mean, come on,.,a 6-2 lead and mr. arbitration can hold the lead..an absolutely putrid performance by perez today…and god, Delgado, can you do something? A big hit was needed there, and he pops up to an erratic Mota…
For everyone who says that they hate this team and their sick of this team and blah, blah blah. Go be a Pirate fan or something. Talk about bandwagoneers. I can almost guarentee that if the Mets go on a great win streak, like 8 of 10, then you’ll all be saying how great this team is. I’ve been a fan since ‘83 and I’ve never been this negative so early in a season. Talk to me in July if they are still just a .500 team.
Boo’ing makes us intelligent. Boo’ing shows how much we know about baseball.. We should continue to boo this team so Omar will get fired. Because Wilpon listens to our boos. He’s got a “Boo Meter” up in his luxury box.
wilpon listens to the cha-ching at the turnstiles don’t boo - stay home
he’s got james dolan’s ears
wilpon is the architect of the mets longest championship drought - and he tried to convince us doubleday was the problem
booing makes you an ignorant moron that fans of every other team in the league makes fun of. this nyc entitlement attitude of the fans is laughable. your post above cleverly using the f word with a space should have your posting privileges revoked your baffoon.
I’ve been to about a dozen ballparks around the country. It’s a myth that people only boo their own players in New York.
8 to 10 game winning streak? i’d love to see that
Well I think a lot of the frustration comes in because people think this should NOT be a .500 team in July, but could end up being one. They don’t want to wait to talk to you about it then. They want things to get better now. You can’t really say that this team isn’t giving games away already.
Oh well. I’ll be there Tuesday cheering for the Mets. Doesn’t mean there aren’t some things to be concerned about.
Fix things early and you have some wiggle room later. Not the other way around.
At least we scored some runs today. Had an opportunity to get a lot more, but at least we put some on the board. I think this team is starting to play a little better. It’s still very early in the season. Most teams that make the playoffs and eventually win the WS aren’t firing on all cylinders all year long. I’m usually as pessimistic about this team as the next guy but they are starting to play a little better. Give them time to come around. They’ve played 11 games. I think it’s still a bit early to be writing them off just yet. Everyone in the NL East (except the Nats) lost today so it’s not a huge deal.
Hearing what alot of fans are saying is simply unreal. We are twelve, I repeat, twelve games into the season. Yes, they haven’t looked great. Yes, they haven’t hit well late in in the clutch. Yes, most of us are in angst because of last September. But seriously everybody, lets calm it down for a sec. It’s April 13th. Anyway, give them a chance. I feel like its just depressing to come on here after any loss.
11 games :D
The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!! The season is over!!!! Let’s pack it in!!!!
You guys crack me up….
It’s just one game. It’s just one game. Just like last year, right?
5-6 start this year if last year didn’t happen would be so different, but last year DID happen. i think the fans are booing mostly for what happened last year. I really think we need to let last season go (and i’m saying this mostly for myself)!
btw: the phillies lost
Well, that’s some good news today…
want more good news? glavine left his game in the first with a hamstring injury. that’s two down and three to go for the braves starters. soriano is also on the dl for them
Hey Matt, they had 22 men LOB today. Not 10. If only it were 10, they would have won the game!
Their lack of clutch hitting has really hurt them this year, along with a low slugging percentage.
On a positive note, every other team in the NL East except for the lowly Nationals lost today.
I agree V. I think the only team capable of reeling off a long winning streak is the Phillies, and that’s only because of their offense. Beltran, Wright, and Delgado haven’t carried the team to a long winning streak since 2006 I think. The season may once again come down to the Phillies hitting against suspect pitching in the rest of the division.
No, 22 left on base is if you add up each individual batter’s LOB, as a team, they left 10 on base, not 22. If you look under the box score you’ll see it says Team LOB: 10. Just wanted to let you know. Either way, 10 team LOB is a TON and well, sucks that we did that.
I try to look at the bright side of things. I figure this loss is just one more small step toward Omar and Willie getting fired.
I love how people actually think the manager makes that much of a difference and if only we had a guy like Joe Girardi (who everybody on this blog was ready to get on their knees for) we would be like 11-0 now.
You guys all act like the Mets are the only team playing .500 ball within the first two weeks of the season. Go look at all the other teams, if you don’t wanna see your team with a .500 record right now go be a Cardinals or Diamondbacks fan, they’re the only teams not 1-2 games over .500, at .500, or 1-2 games or worse below .500. As long as the Phillies and Braves are losing I can take a bad game here and there. Teams need time to click on all cylinders and get in a groove.
When will that groove come? We’ve been waiting since last April.
I’ve actually only been waiting since the last couple weeks of last season but then a whole new season starts and not every team picks up going 9-2, 9-3. Sorry to hear you’ve been waiting since April.
They’ve been at .500 since the beginning of last May, so I don’t know what team you’ve been watching.
MetsFanInVegas speaks the truth, and is one of very few people on this board being reasonable. IT’S APRIL 13TH PEOPLE!!!
So, you just slept through the greatest collapse in baseball history and the type of play that led to it? The same type of play we are seeing now? That dates back well before Sept 07 to mid-May of 2007????
I wish I had been able to miss that as well.
Any other year, Mets fans would be sanguine about a 5-6 start to a season. They’d shrug it off. They’d even shrug it off after last year if the franchise actually held anybdy accountable and turned the page by firing Willie.
But not now, not this year, not after the Collapse and not after holding nobody accountable.
The Mets are 5 games under over the last 123 games get over it they are not a good team and are not going to get better.
This year they are 1 game under .500 and that’s all I care about.
Nice cherry pick of 123 games.
So the last 123 games mean nothing we will just ignore the results like everyone in the Mets organization are I mean the Mets have had so much success year in year out no big deal. Yeah that is a good way to look at it. Stop drinking the kool-aid and come back to reality this team is what it is and that is a below.500 team.
I do get a little bit tired of the “It’s still early. It’s only April” routine.
All of these games carry the same amount of weight at the end of the year. And at what point does it become late enough in the season to want to see sloppy and listless play turn around?
I’m really not a pessimist. I don’t care about the 5-6 record. I know they’re better than that, and in baseball you lose one third of your games and you have a GREAT year (1986)
It’s not the won-loss record. You’re going to lose games. It’s how you lose them, and how you adjust beyond the losses that matters. Maybe a lot of the fans are frustrated because they’re seeing the same thing over and over.
Matt why are you surprised by the boos I mean this team is 59-64 in the last 123 games. Underachieving, maybe. Not very good to begin with, much more likely. You act like this team is a dynasty or something. I can tell you what this team is: not fundamentally sound, bad baseball instincts, lazy, no leadership, and uninspiring play: all deserving of boos. Again this team will not finish above .500 as currently constructed. Stop acting like this group has had so much success I mean one would think the last 123 games would be enough to get one’s attention that this team is not very good and not going to get better. How about one of those nifty polls for team confidence or confidence in Willie the so called leader of this MESS?
These are paid professionals. If they don’t want to get booed, they should perform. This has been a .500 team since last May and with this team’s payroll and the expectations that have been placed upon this group of players, their performance has been unacceptable.
Fire Willie. Okay. And get who? You want Bobby V back? He’s not that stupid. Don’t say Manny Acta like Joe B on WFAN. He’s done a bang-up job in Washington. Lost 9 straight? I know! How about bringing back Dallas Green Art Howe? Maybe Jeff Torborg? And let’s get rid of everybody and get Roberto Alomar Mo Vaughn, Rey Ordonez (who couldn’t hit a barn if he was inside it) and Bobby Bonilla back
How about Wally Backman?
Gary Carter?
There are plenty of choices far better than sleepy willie.
Right now a dead goat as manager would be an improvement.
Wally Backman? Wasn’t he the manager for the D-BAcks FOR 1 DAY? He’s havong a stellar managing career for the South Georgia Peanuts. Gary Carter? Great for the Orange County Flyers.
Erik is dead right. Thank you so much for posting here.
Yes, I know so far they’ve been playing sucky baseball. But guys it’s only been 11 games
1969 World Series Champions-NYM
after first 11 games were 4-7.
Easy way to stop the booing, stop losing.
I’m not one for booing our own players, but after last season’s ending Mets fans should not be expected to sit through the same nonsense all over again.
Exactly, part of the deal with the bigger contracts and marketing opportunities of playing in New York is that your performance is going to be put under the microscope. If players don’t like it, they can play for the Cardinals.
Oh Sh*t. No way! That all they have to do? Start winning!? Thats so dman easy. Why didn’t anybody else think of that. My friend, you should be the manager of the mets, you’ve got your thinking cap on.
Again everyone saying its early its only been 11 games, etc. the Mets are 5 games under .500 over the last 123 games with the same team and manager they are not going to all of a sudden get better without change. It is that simplre.
Stop posting this. The only games that count are the last 11. Santana wasn’t on the mets for the previous 112 - so, it isn’t the “same team.”
Stop posting what the truth. This is the same team Santana or no Santana. Santana the savior can only help the team every 5 days well actually maybe every 7 days with all the time in between starts. Again same team same results 59-64 in the last 123 games. This team is not going to improve without change and it is that simple.
What was their record over the last 162 games?
84-78 for this powerhouse dynasty
And when is it appropriate to start worrying about the team?
Last year when the team started playing .500 ball in May everyone said “Hey, it’s only May. They’re still in 1st place, relax.”
Same in June, July, August.
Then in September it was “Hey, relax. It will all work out. Nobody’s ever blown this big a lead before.”
Then, it was “WTF is happening?”
Finally, it was “WTF just happened?”
That type of gleeful ignorance and blind optimism isn’t gonna happen two years in a row.
Excuse us for trusting our own eyes this time around.
That post was perfect. This team has lost it’s “mojo”.
Whether it was the Cardinal series or the fact that they couldn’t turn it on like they thought they could last year.
Post of the week, JAMMQ!!
Brian Bannister
Get over it
erik is my new favorite poster here.
GET OVER IT!
ps. By the way, John Maine, and Oliver Perez. We got them for nothing!
You know what will be funny? When the Mets go on a 9 game winning streak tear and the same fans that are jumping off the bandwagon right now, well be coming on here ranting about how were unbeatable. Unbelievable.
Omar’s team.
Willie’s team.
Wilpon’s team.
That just about sums it up.
No wait…………………..Brian Bannister. Xavier Nady. Gotay.
Jorge Sosa.
Mota.
Alou.
Castillo.
Delgado.
Most of the bullpen.
Minaya is a mediocre GM at best. The Mets deserve the best.
Fire Omar Now
Way to cherry pick players.
Ok, so Bannister, Nady, Gotay, and you might as well throw in Bell, have been the horrible losses for the Mets. We will probably never recover, but lets just list some of the other guys he has gotten what you may have forgotten on your little list…
December 17, 2004: Signed free agent pitcher Pedro Martinez to a four year, $53 million deal
January 13, 2005: Signed free agent centerfielder Carlos Beltran to a seven year, $119 million deal
November 24, 2005: Traded first baseman Mike Jacobs and pitchers Yusmeiro Petit and Grant Psomas to the Florida Marlins for Carlos Delgado and cash. (say what you want about delgado’s recent performance, but we gave up nothing at all for him, and he almost carried us to a World Series in ‘06)
November 29, 2005: Signed free agent pitcher Billy Wagner to a four year, $43 million deal, plus an $8 clup option. (Yea, but you know, I miss Looper.)
December 5: 2005: Traded minor leaguers Gaby Hernandez and Dante Brinkley to the Florida Marlins for catcher Paul Lo Duca. (we gave up alot for him.)
December 27, 2005: Signed free agent pitcher Chad Bradford to a one year, $1.4 million contract. (should not have let him go, I deff admit that was a bad mistake.)
January 4, 2006: Traded pitchers Jae Weong Seo and Tim Hamulack to the Los Angeles Dodgers for Duaner Sanchez and Steve Schmoll
January 22, 2006: Traded pitcher Kris Benson to the Baltimore Orioles for pitchers Jorge Julio and John Maine
May 24, 2006: Traded pitcher Jorge Julio to the Arizona Diamondbacks for pitcher Orlando Hernandez. (when he was healthy, he was very good for us, and again, we gave up nothing for him.)
July 31, 2006: Traded outfielder for Xavier Nady to the Pittsburgh Pirates for pitchers Roberto Hernandez and Oliver Perez. (Nady is good, I still am confident that Ollie is better)
…and of course, we Stole Johan Santana!
So Omar is good at cutting a check?
Sick of the uninspired play by these clowns. Fire Omar.
What about the team’s play was “uninspiring”? Delgado popping up in a big spot? Hitting into double plays?
This is baseball — that stuff happens.
Just so everyone’s clear, when the Mets lose they played uninspired baseball, and if they win they were inspired?
Sounds good.
That’s the size of it. Every bad inning is 2007 all over again, and every good inning is the work of a rejuvenated World Series contender. Perspective, people. I’m as concerned as anyone else, but the idea that today’s loss was anything but a bad day and some good hitting and timely pitching by the Brewers is absurd.
I’ll tell you one thing that will stop the booing.
Maybe most of you won’t agree.
Come Tuesday, I want to see Reyes dancing and having fun again.
Even for the littlest thing. I want to see that Jose again.
That will wake everyone up.
And if the other teams don’t like it, too bad.
It won’t change everything, but it will put a little life back into Shea.
Yeah, that’s what’ll do it. Reyes dancing. Dimwit.
Thanks for the name calling.
I SAID it won’t change anything.
But it will wake the place up.
Is that a bad thing?
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Jackass,
So you’re saying that Reyes smiling and dancing like last year when everyone got on him for showing up the other teams will magically “wake everyone up”?
I think if Reyes got some hits, stole some bases, and scored some runs that would work better.
I think it would also help if the Mets actually came from behind to win a game once in awhile. I think it would also help if someone on the team started to become dependable with men on base. Look at teams that have won recent World Series. Who’s gonna carry this team on their back?
Actually, instead of calling people names, why don’t you come up with a better idea yourself.
Don’t have one?
Didn’t think so.
There’s a Yankee game staring in a couple of hours.
Go watch it.
I already did dimwit.
OK, gotcha.
i don’t like the booing, but it’s really not making my list of things that need to be fixed
LOL. Concise and well put.
Yes, a dancing Reyes will make all of these old Omar retreads play smart baseball. Yeah, that’s the ticket!
All I am saying is it might make Shea a more fun place to be.
It couldn’t hurt.
Then again, I pay and go to most of the games. Today was the first one I missed
If you’re not there, you’re not really a fan anyway.
“If you’re not there, you’re not really a fan anyway.”
That makes a lot of sense.
I sympathized with your whole Reyes dancing idea until you made this ridiculous post.
Hey fans, get your tickets to “Dancing with Jose Day at Shea”.
Woo-hoooooo.
Wait a second, I just want to understand something. If you can’t go to most of the games, like you do, you are not really a fan?
I didn’t say MOST.
I said if you’re a fan you should go.
My section tried to cheer out the booing by actually cheering for Johan yesterday.
I know they don’t care either way, but to me if you’re a fan, you should be there at least some of the time.
Five bucks upper level.
meant to say DROWN out the booing.
Well anyway. It’s just my opinion. If you’re here anyway, you should be there.
I actually agree with you about letting Jose be Jose…but if you’re not there, you’re not a fan? Really?
What about a guy like me who now lives on the west coast, yet pays through the nose to follow the team religiously (MLB Extra Innings package, and the MLB.tv package). And, I pay bg bucks to travel to relatively nearby stadia (all flights and hotel stays required though) to see the team in SD, LA, AZ, SF, the occasional interleague in SEA - dressed in Mets regalia and paying for primo seats. Am I not a real fan because I can only make it back to NY a few times a year to see Mets home games? Please.
Exactly. That was absurd.
Yeah, I didn’t mean it that way.
I’m new to posting in general.
I’m sorry if I offended anyone.
I meant for people who live in the area.
I didn’t mean to take this in the wrong direction.
I just want to see things start to look up again.
I’ll just let myself out now. :-(
It’s cool. You just have to watch it with that stuff, especially when you consider some fans can’t afford to go to games.
Or live 3,000 miles away.
No worries, man. I liked your overall point that perhaps Willie’s tack with Reyes may not be helping.
No, he just has to watch it cause most fans on here (see Fire everyone, trade beltran, etc) are complete lunatics.
“If you’re not there, you’re not really a fan anyway.” I’m sorry that I have 4 kids and a house to be responsible for and that I can’t just hop a train into NY from CT whenever I want to.
It does to me.
But anyway……
Does anyone really think this wasn’t more fun to watch when Reyes was having fun and playing like he was having the time of his life?
Hey, if you think it’s more fun to watch a manager sitting in the dugout blinking his eyes while everyone sits around with their heads up their rear ends, I guess you’re entitled to your opinion.
Do you think it’s any coincidence that when Reyes actually plays well he’s happy and dancing and when he’s playing like crap he’s got his head up his butt?
Right, but which is the cause and which the effect? Doesn’t it make more sense that he’s exuberant BECAUSE he’s playing well, and not vice versa?
Agreed re: let Reyes be himself…but not that people who can’t get to Shea aren’t real fans.
–Gipper91375 (Portland, Oregon)
To me it’s coming down to leadership. Who wants to be the face of the team? Wright isn’t showing himself to be a leader, Reyes isn’t, forget Beltran and Delgado. Where’s our Jimmy Rollins, Derek Jeter, Chipper Jones, Keith Hernandez, or even Ray Knight?
Derek Jeter? You mean the guy who wouldn’t say a word to defend AROD when he was getting crucified by the press? Or the guy who fraternizes with the other team during onfield brawls.
If you’re starting a team, based on their careers, who would you rather have Jeter or Arod? Nuff said.
That’s debatable, Jeter’s “intangibles” haven’t won jack since the Yankees starting pitching has declined from the late 90’s. And we’re talking about leadership here, Jeter is not a leader, a very good clutch player, but not a leader.
yeah , he dont have enough rings for every finger…..
after all , he shoud win the w.s. every year …right ?
Yeah I already said it came out wrong.
I’m sorry. It’s been a long day.
I lose.
No, man…no worries. I just saw your above mea culpa. Your overall point has validity about letting Jose be Jose again.
Do you not remember that it was Jose who said he was going to stop all the “Showboating” and concentrate on playing the game instead? But I guess you’ll just blame Willie for that too. I guess he told Jose to stop acting like a fratboy on free beer night.
Um, yes. After he was talked to by Willie. Where were you this offseason/spring?
I’ve been here the whole time and the only thing Willie said about Jose’s attitude was about waving to the opposing pitcher as he’s leaving the mound and starting a brawl for something stupid. Nothing was said about his demenor in the dugout.
I’d love to see the crowd reaction if Reyes was dancing in the infield during an 0-4 night
I’ve defended Willie incessantly, but this was ridiculous.
In his last outing, Perez was pulled after 5 2/3 after giving up NO runs, and WIllie said he pulled him because he “knows when to pull his guys” or some such crap.
Today after giving up 4 runs in the fourth, he stuck with him, allowing the lead to get away.
HEY WILLIE - I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU KNEW WHEN TO PULL YOUR GUYS!!!
Idiot.
IMO, Reyes needs to start being Reyes again. I believe his enthusiasm was one of the main reasons this team was so great and fun to watch in 2006. He needs to get back to doing his dances, joking around, hitting triples, and running all day. The mets just need to let this kid play baseball and not worry about anything else. Because when he is playing well, this is a much different team and his enthusiasm rubs off on everyone else.
Absolutely agreed. I don’t care if it “angers” the other team. They should grow up and learn that enthusiasm is the part of the game that makes it fun.
Why can’t Brian Schneider catch anything?
Maybe if the pitcher throws the ball where his glove is. Schnieder sets up on the inside corner. Pitch is wide outside. Not his fault.
He’s an offensive catcher with defensive liabilities, evidently.
The organization is not hearing us,,, The only way changes are going to get made is when they feel a loss in ticket sales. Obviously this will not happen in the last season at Shea.
The only way the organization is going to hear us is during this season is at Shea. If we have to resort to ISAIAH tactics then we will. I say give this team until the end of May.. If they are still playing this type of baseball we need to start things up.
For all the constant Willie bashing,, I still have never heard a Fire Willie chant at Shea.. Am I wrong? Has there been one? If not I suggest that if they don’t have a successful road trip then the time is now.
We should stop Booing the players and start Booing Willie..
I have never heard a Fire Willie chant. I’ll try to formulate an opinion on that one without putting my foot in my mouth again.
Even if a few people tried to start one, it wouldn’t pick up much steam. I’ve only posted here a few times, but I can see this is a very passionate group. Fans at Shea are passionate too, but most of them probably don’t suffer the same pains as people who post here. It just doesn’t captivate them as much as it does people who take the time to find blogs and post opinions.
That’s NOT meant to be a knock on anyone, but I feel like a large majority of fans who go to any event go to see a game, they hope the home team wins, and if it doesn’t, they quickly move on to the next activity.
Even in New York. Most fans who attend games don’t analyze things as much as fans on a blog will. Hell, a lot of the fans at Shea will tell you they’re Yankee fans too. Those fans will never boo Willie.
I wouldn’t start that chant, but even if I tried, it probably wouldn’t get off the ground. Many fans there wouldn’t even know what the motivation was.
no one here has heard anyone at shea boo willie or yell that he should be fired? it’s pretty routine where i sit. you all must be getting those dream seat upgrades.
I was responding to his questioning if there was ever a Fire Willie chant. People are booing everything now. But I’ve never heard that actual chant. If it happened it wasn’t big enough for too much of the stadium to notice.
There is a real negative perception with this team right now. Yes they blew the division and the season last year. Yes they have played shakey defense, pitched no up to par, and hit into too many double plays. It’s been too weeks. Fans are upset. I get mad when our Mets lose so like many others. However we cannot lose perspective.
Ron Darling made an interesting comment about how today’s game seemed like a game out of 1979, with the bad pitching. I like Ronnie however I feel that emo Mets fans can’t handle hearing comments like that. I only supports their negative feelings towards the team.
With last years “collapse,” the team really needed to get out of the gate on a roll. There’s a feeling that the team is headed backwards. Many wonder if the team has hit it’s peak. Was 2006 the year? Is this year going to be like 1991 and headed to oblivion again. We had a good core (Wright, Reyes, Beltran, Santana) but our team is old. I still think we’ll be 5 games up in first by mid-may. However, many Mets fans are programmed with a feeling of doom. Is this 1991 all over again? We’ll see.
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It gets tiring trying to be rational here. But, I will keep trying!
I just don’t get this “lifeless, don’t care” stuff. They got a ton of hits, and what, 8 walks? today. The DPs hurt, but sometimes guys crush the ball right at someone.
If the team was “dead” they wouldn’t get the lead off man on every inning (hint: you need a man on with less than 2 outs to have a DP!)
They also would be swinging at every firs tpitch (you know, to get home sooner), instead of working the count and getting walks.
It was unfortunate that OP didn’t have it today, but that will happen (certainly with him, but with any pticher) at times. Just frustrating to waste the offense.
The team wil be what it is. Good enough to make the post season? ON paper, sure. Real life? have to wait to see! But early last year, the Rockies and Phils certainly weren’t good enough.
I personally don’t find WIllie to be a great manager, and would prefer to see someone else get the job (Oberfell), but I don’t really think he has cost the team this year. Sure, not every move works, but he isn’t managing in a vacuum like fans do. He has to deal with availability (guys can’t go every day), etc.
The chemisty/”fire” stuff IMO is way overrated. If the team hits and pitches, they win, and suddenly they have it. If they go cold, they don’t.
The early season tends to be sluggish though, with bad eather and gaps in the schedule. That’s why good teams often start slow and pick it up during the year, and poor teams start quick (Marlins anyone?) but fade in the dog days.
One big thing this year might be better quality emergency call up guys from the minors. That should help when they need reinforcements.
ANywyay, this has turned into a ramble, but we need (IMO of course!) to at least see how things develop by the end of May to really get a feel for what the team has inthe tank. Way too early at thsi point.
And last year is over. Please move on.
Well, that’s actually the best thing I’ve read so far this year.
Can’t disagree with any of it really.
Thanks. I will put you down as a reference on my application to be a moderator!
I agree with much of your comment. I think for many Mets fans, it’s not just what happened last year. Yes, it would be nice for people to get over it. Most will not. It has be the constant dissapointments since post-86. The team has been dreadful to getting so so close to winning it all. Mets fans have been dealing with Yankee crap for years. They’ve invested a lot of time waiting and watching these Mets.
On the flip side, I have no patience for the fair weather fan, or teenies who have not been through the crap us older Mets fans have been through. Those who boo for the sake of booing are being ridiculus. Many Mets fans have a lot of heart and invest a lot of emotion in these games. We just want it so bad.
They play like losers.
Nothing else to say.
Such a profound statement.
(sarcasm)
yet another gem from danny1986. thanks for posting something with substance, as you always do.
Ok this is not me overreacting….I dont think the season is over, and I do think the Mets have a shot at the division, mostly bc I dont thinkk the Braves or Phillies are that good. That being, mt fellow Met fans, it is time we admit it to ourselves…this group of players just is not that good of a team.
On June 1st 2007, the Mets wetre 16 games over .500. They finished 14 games over. That means the majority of the season they were BAD. This year they are 1 game under .500. Why should we think this is going to change???
The bottom line is the Mets offense just is not that good. The main problem is Delgado, and until he is either off the team, or put so far down in the lineup that he wont really matter, their offense will not be that good. Everyone is claiming he has gotten off to such a great start. Well he is now under .300 and now through 1/16th of the season, is on pace for 16 homers and about 70 rbi. Of course 1/16th of a season is nothing, but lets hold off on saying he is off to a great start. A few opposite field singles off 45 year old lefties got his average momentarily high, but even with that his power is totally diminished and when you need him he gets dominated by lefty relievers or late inning hard throwers (even Mota).
My second villain is Castillo. The thought of having him 4 years from now makes me sick to my stomach. He simply has no punch at all.
3rd and 4th respectively are Beltran and Wright. Yes, at the end of the year their numbers will be very good, but when you are down and NEED a hit (By need I mean down, not tied) these guys fold. I include Wright in this. He is great when you are tied or ahead in the game but when the pressure is really on late in a game, much more often than not he falters.
Lastly, Willie has gotta go. Like I said, playing under .500 since June 1st is a big enough reason for his firing. The team plays with his lazy attitude. These nonchalant plays (like Delgado dropping the ball) should have Willie screaming in the dugout. It is so clear this team has no fire.
On a seperate note, can anyone tell me why Johan Santana is topping out at 91 mph? I went to the game Sat and he was consistently i the high 80s. Every time out I gotta hear “He didnt have his best stuff.” At what point do we just accept that this is his stuff? If he cant throw 95, he will still be effective, but not neerly as dominant as years past.
I think you’re focusing too closely on the offense. The lack of clutch hitting today was a concern, but they scored seven runs, and hit well against a nemesis. Poor performances by Santana and Perez notwithstanding, the bullpen has (again) been the Achilles heel. They can’t all seem to hit their stride at once, and it may be because, as you say, the likes of Sosa, Schoeneweis and Smith really just aren’t that good.
Well I agree and disagree, if that is possible. Is the Mets bullpen good? No. They arent that good, and they will give up runs. That being said, whos bullpen is good? Not many teams. The Mets this year have not hit the Braves pen, the phillies pen and the Brewers pen (Mota, Torres, and Gagne who everyone has killed). The Mets pen isnt great, but IMO, it is as good, if not better than the Phillies, Braves and Brewers. Now, if indeed the Mets pen is better than these 3 teams, which I think is pretty clear, why are the Mets losing the battles of bullpens? Answer- Because the Mets dont hit these crumby pens. THEY DONT SMELL BLOOD EVER!!! Example- Smoltz for 5 last Sunday, crumby Braves pen, Mets dont hit and dont win. Most teams get a lift from Smoltz coming out of the game. Why dont the Mets ever get a lift?
Now, as for today, yes they scored 7 runs, but again,. as soon as the game gets tight, late, the usual suspects fold……its the same thing as last year…i hate to say it but its true.
Castillo’s contract does disgust me quite a bit. As I mentioned earlier…..this season has a 1991 feel to it. Im not sure if you’re familiar with that season. Bad moves and underachieving.
I agree: Castillo is terrible. Willie…..prob not the right guy for this team. Delgado, Alou and Pedro need to go their ways at the end of the season. Something smells fishy in flushing. Reyes seems wrong……cant put my finger on it yet. They team doesnt seem to be together. And no im not in the locker room but Ive seen baseball for years and I know when things are clicking and when they’re not. We’ll know where it’s all going by the summer.
Look at the positives — Church, Pagone, Smith, Delgado, Schneider. (Feel free to add your own.) No one expected any of them to come through at the outset of the season. Met fans understandably see the glass as half empty. But, folks, it’s really half full.
Again. I dont think Delgado thus far has been a positive…1 homer and 5 rbi aint gonna cut it in the 5 hole….
1 HR is more than a lot of players in the Majors 11 games in. RBI’s are pretty contigent on who’s on in front of you. The guy’s getting on base at a VERY high rate right now after a bad season last year. I couldn’t ask for much more out of Delgado.
Nice list. And, it bodes well for the season that the slow starters are the guys most likely to end up having big years (that is, the sore guys with a strong track record). It will get interesting when they start heating up too.
As for Delgado, once Alou comes back the dynamics change, since he can get bumped back into the 6 hole. Or will at least have strong RH coverage if ALou hits behind him.
If this team continues to struggle, the media will eat it all up. If if if if if………I still have faith but this can get really ugly.
every time castillo dribbles one to the pitcher (which is like 80% of the time) Ruben Gotay smiles…..
I dont care who didnt like Gotay (defensive liability or whatever). He loved playing for the Mets. Defense can be improved. Cant teach a player to have heart. Castillo is just here for the contract. I’ll always see him as a Marlin.
congratulations, you are all yankees fans. a bunch of loudmouthed ignorant idiots.
That’s what Shea has felt like this week, and that’s what this board has looked like. Precisely.
If there’s one beef I have with Omar, it’s the 2B situation. Castillo will have trouble hitting Tim Wakefield’s fastball past the mound by the third year of his deal. I’d love to have Gotay around.
man this is ridiculous. between the fans booing at home and people on this blog freaking this is just sad. we win the phillies series and all is well then we lose this series and everyone freaks. common people, its like our fans are bipolar. relax. the team is gonna be fine. we are gonna win some and lose some. i dont see the braves or phillies running away with the division right now either. chill out all. and now people are complaining about trading away young talent. those same people who said trade the farm for santana are now crying over gomez. seriously, santana is still one of the best in the game but he is still human and even the best have off days but to boo him in his first start at home is pathetic and doesnt help anything! the guy was lights out in his first two starts and he is the future of this team with wright and reyes! just a sad way to welcome our ace to the town. and church and scnieder are contributing bigtime for us right now! people just need to chill and represent better. 07 is over and done. its a new year! how is the team gonna move on when we wont let them!
We can only hope they are numbered. It might be a little unfair but we will never have team chemistry again with him as our coach.
i agree with that. when they win, it’s in spite of willie and when they lose, often times a strategy move here and there may have resulted in a different outcome.
Well to be fair, 5 double plays is a lot to overcome…Brewer’s Defense was killing it today….
I also saw Merrill Hoge pick the Cardinals to win the central. Who cares what analysts say? But for what it’s worth, more than half of the news sources I saw, which is a lot of them, picked the Mets.
Can people just stop talking about records, standings and batting averages on April 13th?