Comments on: Opinion: A Starting Concern http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:15:16 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: gmoney45 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143823 gmoney45 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:22:33 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143823 John Maine can do only a hundred pitchers????? Make that a hundred pitches. Only Anna Benson would try to do a hundred pitchers. John Maine can do only a hundred pitchers????? Make that a hundred pitches. Only Anna Benson would try to do a hundred pitchers.

]]> By: gmoney45 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143822 gmoney45 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:17:51 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143822 You are exactly right and i will take it just a bit further. Pitch counts need to be less of an issue than one Mr. Randolph likes to think they are. I fail to believe that pitchers need to be babied as much as they are. Are you telling me that pitchers from twenty years ago were strong manly men and that now with better trainers and better facilities and better coaches etc etc etc that we can get less out of them? Baloney! John Maine throws the ball as smooth and easy as can be and all he can do is a hundred pitchers. When Pedro comes back we have 6 capable pitchers and when Duque comes back we have seven, so if someones arm is a little dead we cant give him a day off? Willie needs to forget pitch counts and watch the game, or better yet start counting the pitches the bullpen throws cuz warming up and pitching every day is fifty pitches a day for those guys too. Make the starters work, thats their job. You are exactly right and i will take it just a bit further. Pitch counts need to be less of an issue than one Mr. Randolph likes to think they are. I fail to believe that pitchers need to be babied as much as they are. Are you telling me that pitchers from twenty years ago were strong manly men and that now with better trainers and better facilities and better coaches etc etc etc that we can get less out of them? Baloney! John Maine throws the ball as smooth and easy as can be and all he can do is a hundred pitchers. When Pedro comes back we have 6 capable pitchers and when Duque comes back we have seven, so if someones arm is a little dead we cant give him a day off? Willie needs to forget pitch counts and watch the game, or better yet start counting the pitches the bullpen throws cuz warming up and pitching every day is fifty pitches a day for those guys too. Make the starters work, thats their job.

]]> By: thecoup http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143749 thecoup Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:13:13 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143749 get thru the 7th inning? what? how many NL pitchers average 7 innings or more per outing? the starting rotation has completed the 6th inning much more often than last year. and we just had a string of games with more innings by starters than the mets have had since the early days of glavine. it hasn't been perfect, but the bullpen hasn't been taxed. willie has used guys situationally as he's supposed to. we can't blame sosa's terrible performance on the starters. he's our long reliever. and heilman has been hot and cold. we need consistency from our setup guy. but unless the bats get some rallys going, it's going to be a long and frustrating season. get thru the 7th inning? what? how many NL pitchers average 7 innings or more per outing?

the starting rotation has completed the 6th inning much more often than last year. and we just had a string of games with more innings by starters than the mets have had since the early days of glavine.

it hasn’t been perfect, but the bullpen hasn’t been taxed. willie has used guys situationally as he’s supposed to. we can’t blame sosa’s terrible performance on the starters. he’s our long reliever. and heilman has been hot and cold. we need consistency from our setup guy.

but unless the bats get some rallys going, it’s going to be a long and frustrating season.

]]> By: Nate W. http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143714 Nate W. Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:24:36 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143714 actually Pelfrey and Figueroa both went 7 IP against the Nationals. The numbers are actually skewed in the Mets favor because they played a bad team when it was down. 5 2/3 IP, 97 pitches average in the 14 starts by Maine, Perez, Pelfrey, and Figueroa. Its not really a small sample anymore. actually Pelfrey and Figueroa both went 7 IP against the Nationals. The numbers are actually skewed in the Mets favor because they played a bad team when it was down.

5 2/3 IP, 97 pitches average in the 14 starts by Maine, Perez, Pelfrey, and Figueroa. Its not really a small sample anymore.

]]> By: Nate W. http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143662 Nate W. Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:49:49 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143662 I'm just as curious about the relievers... The inning that Heilman almost got out of, the two strikeouts that he did get were both long AB's because Heilman couldnt find a put away pitch and the batters were fouling them off like crazy. On Heilman's bad days he seems to have 30+ pitch innings with alot of fouls. Sosa gets his slider fouled off a lot because everyone knows it is coming. On and on... I’m just as curious about the relievers…

The inning that Heilman almost got out of, the two strikeouts that he did get were both long AB’s because Heilman couldnt find a put away pitch and the batters were fouling them off like crazy.

On Heilman’s bad days he seems to have 30+ pitch innings with alot of fouls. Sosa gets his slider fouled off a lot because everyone knows it is coming. On and on…

]]> By: Nate W. http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143659 Nate W. Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:46:19 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143659 I dont have as big a problem with the switching so long as we know these reliever can go 90 games, 75 IP which I think most of them can. But having it be an everyday occurance is a problem. They need Heilman to pitch full innings, and Sanchez to get more full innings. And they need Feliciano to get someone out sometime soon. I dont have as big a problem with the switching so long as we know these reliever can go 90 games, 75 IP which I think most of them can.

But having it be an everyday occurance is a problem. They need Heilman to pitch full innings, and Sanchez to get more full innings. And they need Feliciano to get someone out sometime soon.

]]> By: ExileInLA http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143655 ExileInLA Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:38:08 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143655 After 19 games, the Mets' starters' stats are skewed by Pedro's early departure (4th inning), and 2 or 3 bad games. Willie's still too quick with the hook, and inconsistent with the pen, though. Also, I think he's got to double-switch more. There have been a couple of obvious ones that he's missed -- like Duaner in the 6th the other day... After 19 games, the Mets’ starters’ stats are skewed by Pedro’s early departure (4th inning), and 2 or 3 bad games. Willie’s still too quick with the hook, and inconsistent with the pen, though.

Also, I think he’s got to double-switch more. There have been a couple of obvious ones that he’s missed — like Duaner in the 6th the other day…

]]> By: koosman3669 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143632 koosman3669 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 17:07:00 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143632 I don't remember how many times I used to hear Tom Seaver say "I got into a little trouble, but then I got my second wind and finished the game" Today, none of these guys knows what a second wind is. I don’t remember how many times I used to hear Tom Seaver say “I got into a little trouble, but then I got my second wind and finished the game”

Today, none of these guys knows what a second wind is.

]]> By: Gilch http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143616 Gilch Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:51:30 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143616 im in all favor of stretching out starters who are pitching well and i wont second guess willie if he does that unless a pitcher is obviously done .... i actually loved the fact that he let Johan start the 8th against philly ... unlike most of you playing monday morning qb im in all favor of stretching out starters who are pitching well and i wont second guess willie if he does that unless a pitcher is obviously done …. i actually loved the fact that he let Johan start the 8th against philly … unlike most of you playing monday morning qb

]]> By: Tidewater http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143613 Tidewater Wed, 23 Apr 2008 16:49:22 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/23/opinion-a-starting-concern/#comment-143613 that would be lose-lose. I agree that the results are what matter, but for all of the Reyes bashing that went on at the end of last season, it was a worn-down rag tag bullpen that coughed up the lead in games, and in the standings. We're seeing the same thing unfold this season. that would be lose-lose.
I agree that the results are what matter, but for all of the Reyes bashing that went on at the end of last season, it was a worn-down rag tag bullpen that coughed up the lead in games, and in the standings.

We’re seeing the same thing unfold this season.

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