Links: Anger, Frustration, Irrationality, Etc.
By Matthew Cerrone - Apr 25, 2008 7:07 am

In a post to Coppola Sisters, Trey says, ‘Enough is enough,’ arguing – I think – that Willie Randolph should be fired for monotony and for removing his starting pitchers too early.

welcome to covering basesball on a day-in and day-out basis, trey…enjoy the ride

Though he lists a variety of other issues that went wrong last night, from strike outs to double plays, Matt Artus from Always Amazin blames Ramdolph most, adding, “Good teams don’t lose to bad teams like the Nationals the way the Mets did Thursday.”

wait, you mean to tell me, in the history of baseball, spanning a 162–game season, a ‘good’ team didn’t play a sloppy game against a ‘bad’ team…

…man, talk about romanticizing success

At NYMets.info, Michael G. Baron lists a few bad signs for the Mets, stating, “All in all, something has to give.”

agreed…my fear is that the team is locked in to situations that will restrict it from adjusting

According to the Brooklyn Met Fan, Carlos Delgado is crumbling before our eyes.

the bell is ringing for delgado…my bet is that he has until Memorial Day to save his job…after that, all bets will be off

In a post to Metstradamus, John writes a letter to Aaron Heilman’s alma-mater, asking, “With all of these accomplishments, how did your fine university manage to turn out somebody as stupid as Aaron Heilman?”

well, that’s not nice…seriously…i mean, i’m all for being frustrated, but do you honestly think that heilman is struggling because he is stupid…jeez…

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Comment by C Dubb
2008-04-25 07:20:39

Is anyone else getting really sick of the whining on all of these websites? Don’t get me wrong, I’m dying for some good baseball from these Mets as much as any die-hard fan, but these “writers” sound like they’re parodying the over-reacting New York sports fan. Thankfully, the talent on this site maintain some perspective, though I wish I could say the same for the majority of the readers.

Here’s a thought: Rather than say “Fire Willie!” ten times, just tell me once who should replace him?

Comment by Horseman
2008-04-25 08:02:26

A couple of opinions. First, I am not the biggest Willie fan, but some people get on him after every lose. I blame Perez last night for not getting the job done. For all those fans who want to sign this guy for 5 years and 75 mil better think twice. He can’t give you more than 6 solid innings. Perez was due to give up runs if you look at his Whip.

Second, Heilman has to get the job done. I liked Willie’s decision to bring Heilman in there to stop the bleeding. There was no one else to use in that spot. Perez likely would have walked Milledge anyway, but again you never know.

Third, some fan said that Bobby Valentine was an average manager. I disagree, and to respond to your comment C Dubb, that would be my replacement. If you look at the talent that Valentine had and compared it to Willie you would be amazed. Willie has more talent and gets less out of them.

Comment by signupcall
2008-04-25 08:13:13

Bobby V has stated numerous times he has no interest coming back to manage in the MLB right now… He’s enjoying himself in Japan, and if he wanted to manage in the Bigs, he woulda been here by now…

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Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-25 08:28:19

That’s just bull. You can’t tell me if a MLB team called and gave him millions a year that he would not come back. Of course he is going to say that, he is too cocky to just say “No body wants me because I acted like an ass when my team needed me the most”

 
Comment by Felonious Monk
2008-04-25 17:26:49

What’s Davey Johnson doing these days? It seems every team he managed improved dramatically (Mets, Dodgers, Orioles, Reds too I think)…

 
 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-25 08:14:18

Then why on earth can he not get a job in the US. Not the Nationals, Marlins, Royals, Rays, Yankees, Reds, all the other jobs that have came open and even the Mets. I am sure you are going to tell me that he choses to be in Japan over those teams or he has great talent and all those GM’s are just dumb. Come on, if he were some allstar manager he would be uh managing.

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Comment by Horseman
2008-04-25 08:24:31

thereal:

You were the fan that I was calling out. You said Valentine was an average manager. I want you to look at the team he had vs. Willie’s team. Tell me who had more talent. I don’t want this to seem that I want Willie fired today. Understand that I pointing out that Valentine was not an average manager.

Now, why Valentine does not have a job in the majors, I don’t know. However, was Willie offered a job before becoming the manager of the mets? I believe other teams wanted him to learn in the minors. I am just saying.

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-25 08:26:48

Where is Valentine?
And when I have time I will look back and compare player by player our team. Bobby was an average manager if he were an allstar he would be in the MLB>

 
Comment by Frank Taveras
2008-04-25 09:55:10

Average managers don’t get a team with an outfield of Jay Payton, Benny Agbayani and Timo Perez to the World Series.

 
Comment by zer09
2008-04-25 09:57:47

In all fairness, Bobby V had a great talented team. Firstly, they were much younger, secondly, they were much more balanced, and thirdly they had a legitimate power hitter who produced in big spots. Willie is stuck with a Beltran/Delgado tandem that either strikes out or pops out in rbi situations. David Wright hasn’t matured into a Mike Piazza quite yet - though he will, and he’ll probably surpass Mike’s best year, but not in 2008. All that to go with the best defense in history, speed at the top of the order, and a guy who never struck out (Olerud). Don’t knock the talent on that team…besides, they never got injured…

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-25 10:04:09

I agree, I never understand why people knock that team so much talent wise. Great pitching and defense wins games. They got on a great roll at the right time, like the Rockies last season and the Cardinals in 06. That does not make the Rockies manager an Allstar manager.

 
Comment by signupcall
2008-04-25 10:04:20

thereal:

Over the last few years or so Bobby V’s name has popped up time and time again regarding an MLB managerial position, including when the Mets had a vacancy before filling it with Willie. Whether the Mets had serious interest or not, I’m certain that there were other teams that would have given him a shot if the circumstances were right had he actually been interested.

As per players’ goals being the chance to play at the highest level, this I can agree with. However, managers are not in the same boat - Bobby is an icon over in Japan and already has had success in the Majors. He won’t go down as one of the greatest managers of all time, but I believe he is happy with his legacy here in the States and feels he can make more of an impact on the game of baseball in Japan than as a manager at the MLB level. If you are talking about throwing the man $10mil a year to return to the Apple, then you may have a legit case, but there ain’t no way that’s gonna happen. But if you think Bobby’s itching to get back to the MLB somehow, frankly, you’re just wrong.

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-25 10:10:29

I will just agree to disagree. I just don’t think another GM wants to bring the circus back to town.

 
Comment by Danny1986
2008-04-25 10:21:21

Bobby V is the highest paid manager in baseball. Why would he leave Japan? The guy is a pop culture icon there.

Say what you want to say about Bobby V, but he does have one thing the Willie does not.

And that would be a PLAN.

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-25 10:32:28

A plan to have his ego stroked because he could not cut it in the MLB>

 
 
 
Comment by Old Backstop
2008-04-25 08:16:46

I’m started to get pretty embarrassed of our fan base. Where did all of these former bandwagon Yankee fans come from? Do people really think the Nationals are going to go 0-162 this year? I swear, all of this negativity every after every single loss is just too much and way over the top … and that’s coming from me - a perennial skeptic!

 
Comment by stork
2008-04-25 09:28:26

Anyone out there would do a better job then Willie. He has no clue what he is doing. How about Frank Robinson for a replacemnt. It doesnt matter get any one who knows what he is doing

 
 
Comment by Prismo
2008-04-25 07:25:38

I have to say, I’m really torn between supporting my team with whatever they do, and wanting to rebuild some of it…

I’ve been hating Willie’s play calls since he was hired, and something needs to be done. Maybe someone with intelligence needs to just sit him down and explain when and when not to pull pitchers from a game; and which pitchers to put in. It was pretty clear to 95% of Mets fans that it’s a bad, bad idea to put Heilman in a game in the middle of an inning with runners on base. Time and time again he’s failed to stop the bleeding. If Heilman is put into a game it should be for a full inning, start to (maybe) finish. Why Willie can’t comprehend this is beyond me.

I don’t claim to be a baseball guru, and I’d like to think that Willie knows more about the sport than I do…but he makes these asinine decisions over and over again.

Something needs to be done…I’m just not sure what.

Comment by m00kie
2008-04-25 12:57:22

the last time heilman pitched, just tuesday, he gave up 4 runs (only 2 earned…) He started that inning.

The time before that was in Philly .. he came in with 1out in the 8th in a jam, gave up a hit, but got out of it.

hate on Willie all you want, but be factual with your rants, please. Fact is, Heilman just sucks right now, and you can’t trust him at any point. To me, the point of the moves in the last two games is that Duaner is the 8th inning guy now, and Heilman’s been demoted to the 6th, and deserves it…

 
 
Comment by ho-go
2008-04-25 07:26:53

I didn’t Heilman is struggling because he’s stupid — just not especially talented. But I do think Perez isn’t exactly an Einstein. He always gets in trouble the same way. He loses focus, loses his arm slot, and then loses the game. Doesn’t a savvy person (or ballplayer) learn from his mistakes rather than endlessly repeat them?

 
Comment by signupcall
2008-04-25 07:29:46

Touché my friend, touché. It’s way too early for the pessimism surrounding this team to be rampant throughout this fanbase, as it seems to be. We might as well consider ourselves in first place right now. Granted, we have to start playing better ball, but everyone is overreacting. If we’re gonna fire Willie, it’s going to be after the season or if it’s actually during the season we will already be so far out of the race that it wouldn’t make a difference. And you’re right, I don’t see any managerial candidate sitting around right now that would be any significant upgrade over Willie from the outset (with the exception of Bobby V who has no interest)… Delgado is done, but I’m willing to give Heilman and Sosa a few more weeks here… But sheesh, the general pessimism surrounding this team is absurd, and frankly, disgusting.

Comment by signupcall
2008-04-25 07:30:37

Sorry, this was in response to C Dubb’s first comment.

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-25 08:17:00

That is so laughable. Bobby V has no interest? “Hello, this is Bobby V, what a job in the MLB instead of way over here in nobody cares land? nah I just pass. Benny, where’s my sushi?”

Comment by ToastyJoe
2008-04-25 08:26:06

Don’t be so sure - he is revered like a god over there. They think he invented baseball.

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Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-25 08:29:28

And still players who are viewed as god’s over there still have one goal and that is to get to the MLB.

 
Comment by ToastyJoe
2008-04-25 08:30:28

You don’t think he’s gotten a single job offer from any major league teams since he’s been over there? I doubt that very much.

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-25 08:34:49

As a manager, I would say not. He really embarrased himself that last month.

 
Comment by gomets6091
2008-04-25 09:59:40

refresh my memory, what did he do that last month that got him blackballed from MLB according to you?

 
Comment by signupcall
2008-04-25 10:05:36

Maybe we can bring back Mr Howe!