Matthew Cerrone

postGame: Braves 6 Mets 3
By Matthew Cerrone - Apr 25, 2008 11:08 pm

The Mets (11–11) lost to the Braves (12–11) by the score of 6 to 3 in Shea Stadium.

For a recap and boxscore, go to SNY.

never in a million years did i think Braves RHP Jarr Jurrjens would go six innings, considering how bad he looked in the third inning, during which he walked-in three straight batters to give the Mets a temporary lead…as David Wright said after the game, his team had to knock jurrjens out of the game at that point, and they didn’t, instead allowing him to get back in a groove, which eventually shut down the Mets

…seriously, night after night, it’s like this team gives itself one opportunity to score a ton of runs – and if they do not take advantage, that’s it…they may as well leave their bats in the dugout…

David Wright and Jose Reyes were a combined 0 for 7…in fact, the team’s only two hits came from Raul Casanova and Marlon Anderson…that is not sustainable…

…in other words, give a game ball to the home plate umpire, who did his best to keep the Mets in the game tonight…

…it’s hard to get on Mike Pelfrey, who allowed five runs in five innings on nine hits while walking four…he had control issues tonight, starting with the first batter of the game and he never got back on track…look, as we said all spring, he is a young, inexperienced pitcher, who needs more time in Triple-A, and to expect him to dominate every single start and help to repeatedly stop losing streaks is a bit unfair…he’s 2–1 with a 4.43 ERA following four starts, which is about what i would have thoughts he’d be at this point in the season…

…it should be noted, in a loss, Scott Schowenweis, Pedro Feliciano and Duaner Sanchez allowed no runs, while Joe Smith let up one

John Maine will face Tim Hudson today in Shea Stadium, as the Mets continue their three-game series with the Braves at 1 pm.

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Comment by bigchart333
2008-04-26 09:23:36

i was at the game last nite. It’s really getting sickening to be a mets fan. In the 5th inning, we were tied, close game, men on base, etc…it’s exciting..it’s the braves…there were more people doing the wave in the upper deck and mezz, and more people in my section in the field level turning around and WATCHING the wave, than the were people watching the game.

THEN, these “fans” have the audacity to BOO when pelfrey gives up a HR, or we don’t put the ball in play wiht a man on base.
Hey, im not saying dont have fun. You paid good money to get the tickets, have a great time…but come on. Middle of the game on a Friday nite, first game back home, against the HATED braves with a young pitcher who needs our support on the mound….and it’s Wave City @ Shea….

Delgado gets announced as a pinch hitter against a lefty to start the 9th, the few fans that STAYED at game booed him unmercifully…then when he K’d, it came even harder
Guess if Delgado had started a wave, the fans woulda loved him.

IN ANY CASE, i whole heartedly agree with your assessment of our offense. We seem to ONLY score in ONE inning, or like 2 tops, and thats it. We can never take the extra step. Hopefully this will change when Alou comes back and Delgado is dropped to 7th

Comment by gomets6091
2008-04-26 09:32:04

ugh….they should allow the death penalty for people who participate in the wave. I don’t think I’ve ever been less attracted to my girlfriend than when she participated in a wave at Nationals Park the other night, and that includes when she wears her Yankees jersey.

 
Comment by cb32
2008-04-26 11:06:20

Hey big chart, I was in the Mezz last night and I did not participate in the wave and agree that it sometimes takes over fans attention but you should know, the stadium stood up and looked backwards because there was a huge fight between a Mets fan and 2 Braves fans. Punches, thrown beer bottles and popcorn, and even the Loge got involved throwing stuff at the Braves fan. It was a pretty disgusting display.

On Delgado, the booing was simply unnecessary but I will say, Willie should not have sent him up there. If you are going to give Delgado a day off to clear his head, give him a day off. Why send him up there, to start an inning no less, when you KNOW he is going to get boo’d?

That all said, it is embarrassing to be a Mets fan at Shea these days. I think it is much worse than even a couple of years ago. People boo mercilessly for an error, which happens in baseball. A strikeout gets boo’d. Every little thing draws a tremendous boo or worse, grown men yelling obscenities while kids sit there trying to watch their heroes play. Maybe “success” has brought bandwagon, unintelligent fans but it really was not fun to be at the game last night and it was because of the fans, not the way the Mets played.

Comment by DAG
2008-04-26 11:38:41

seriously. the posters on this site (probably the biggest mets fans), seem to be pretty outraged by all the booing–as am I. Is there any way to spread the message to a wider base of mets fans that it’s getting ridiculous and makes mets fans look like some of the worst in the league, and maybe –dare I say– phillies fans…

I’m just as angry as they are when delgado can’t hit or when beltran can’t come through in the clutch, and I understand that buying your ticket gives you the right to booo…but please, let’s be respectful and positive. let’s the show the team some support. it’s April and collapse or no collapse last season, the negativity is out of control.

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Comment by TilMetsDoUsPart
2008-04-26 12:37:57

I was booing — At the umpire and at the Braves. I thought Pelf pitched fine. I didn’t understand any of the calls the ump was making.

It’s simple really — You can tell our players are making hitting way to complicated and as is Willie. Just wait for your pitch and hit it like Chipper Jones or Gregor Blanco did. You could tell how calm they were at the plate and they knew exactly when Pelf threw one up the middle before Pelf did. Willie’s signaling Reyes to bunt and all kinds of crap. There were pitchers we should’ve been hitting. Maybe this will all change when Delgado is dropped to backup and we get freakin’
Xavier Nady.

 
Comment by ArmandoReynoso
2008-04-26 14:33:59

Yeah, I was at the game too (in the upper deck and it was pathetic how many idiots were doing the wave — I sat the whole time). #1– the wave peaked in about 1985; #2–even if the wave was still cool, you’re not supposed to do it when your team is in the field…
just stupid.

and on another note, I was really embarrassed to be a mets fan last nite, I brought my girlfriend there (her 1st game in years), and there was nothing but fights, and security running all over and drunks throwing Bud bottles next to little kids. I was planning on taking my son to a game soon, and I have to seriously re-think that now. it was really disgusting.

 
 
Comment by AlreadyMissShea
2008-04-26 09:24:53

I was giving this some thought.

I see a number of people who are putting down posters who are unhappy. But I never see those people come up with anything other than “it’s early” or “you’re being irrational”

So I am going to make a little bit of a challenge to people who post here and get down on all of the “whining”

I’d like to see some examples here of things you believe are going to turn around. Instead of calling people out for being whiners or complainers, and without referencing the calendar, what kinds of improvements are you willing to predict right now. I’m not talking about anyone being hired/fired/traded/ etc. Looking at this time the way it is built right now, what are some of the things you believe will improve going forward. Maybe coming up with some ideas will get people to calm down just a little bit.

Comment by TheHammer
2008-04-26 09:33:32

It’s early it’s only April…It’s early it’s only May…..They’ll bounce back after the break…same old BS, just like last year. Face this team for what it is .500 at best, people need to stop drinking the Koolaid. The only reason Omar even signed Santana was to put fannies in the seats, afterall they do have a new ballpark to pay for. How else can you rationalize trading away arguably your 2 best pitching prospects when you were facing a rotation with old man El Duque and old man Pedro?

Comment by khmustache
2008-04-26 09:44:44

you rationalize it by looking at what you got. johan freakin santana trumps any prospect the mets had in their system. this might have been the biggest no-brainer trade in the history of the mets organization…maybe even baseball (apologies to mr ruth). none of the pitchers traded away weren’t projected to be on the team for another 2 years. look everyone is frustrated with the team right now, but saying something like that is just dumb.

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Comment by TheHammer
2008-04-26 09:47:13

Call it dumb all you want. I’m sure the Wilpons are upset selling all those extra tickets and jerseys when santana pitches.

 
Comment by khmustache
2008-04-26 09:49:24

you’ve convinced me….i hate johan now…god forbid a business tries to make money

 
Comment by m00kie
2008-04-26 09:49:54

that just makes it more of a no-brainer. That’s money the team will have in the next 7 years for better prospects, free agents, etc. Questioning the Santana trade really puts you in a logical hole here I’m afraid, buddy… Gomez is hitting 200 after his fast start (though 2/3 last night) and who knows if we’ll ever hear from the other three. You make that trade 10 times out of 10.

 
Comment by TheHammer
2008-04-26 09:54:13

Look I never said I HATED Johan, and you hit the nail right on the head, it’s a business!! It’s about bringing people to the ballpark and making money!! They do whatever it takes to get you there and make their money, and Johan filled the bill nicely. I think this is all they care about, it becomes painfully obvious when you look at the direction the team has taken. There was no accountability for last years collapse other than bringing in Johan freaking Santana. Money talks and BS walks.

 
Comment by Massey
2008-04-26 10:34:38

C’mon, for a big-market team like the Mets, the organization’s goals and the fans goals are closely aligned. The owner will make more money the better the team does, so your argument is largely meaningless.

 
 
Comment by TilMetsDoUsPart
2008-04-26 12:41:26

Last year everything was fine until mid-September so I don’t get it.

Right now we are .500 and every one of our hitters are underachieving. Should David Wright and Reyes and Castillo and Beltran hit like normal we will be cruising. Our pitching has actually been fine outside of Heilman and Sosa so once again I have no idea what the point of this post is.

Last point I must make — Right now every team in the NL East but the MARLINS is a .500 team, just to show how early in the season it is, so shut your face.

It’s extremely early. EXTREMELY. So early that Beltran and Reyes combined are hitting .230. It’s time for you to shut up.

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Comment by m00kie
2008-04-26 09:36:27

john maine will pitch better.

Reyes is a young man struggling with being The Jose Reyes .. I still see him coming out of it and having a big year (see David Wright’s end of 2006-beginning of 2007).

Eventually (sooner than later by the looks of it) we’ll move on from Delgado, and from the looks of last night, Marlon’s ready for the job. While that’s not ideal, it’s at least not the black hole we have there now.

Beltran can’t possibly hit this poorly all year as well.

Pelfrey has looked like he can actually pitch at this level, a few growing pains notwithstanding, he’s actually making it to the 5th and 6th innings now and not getting knocked out of the box early.. last night he could have screwed the pooch in the first and not made it out alive, but he didn’t lose his mind with the tight strike zone and he bore down and got out of it.

That was for my own sake as much as anyone else’s ;)

 
Comment by gomets6091
2008-04-26 09:40:40

Reyes will come around, as will Beltran. Both are too talented and too young for them to not hit for the entire season. Alou will come back and scorch the ball for a few weeks before he inevitably gets hurt again. Wright’s gonna have another 30-30 year (once Beltran starts giving him some protection.) I guarantee that some rookie will be called up from the Minors and will outperform expectations, though I don’t know who that is.

Comment by TheHammer
2008-04-26 09:42:54

Where exactly is this crystal ball your gazing into? I sure could use some of it’s wisdom.

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Comment by m00kie
2008-04-26 09:51:11

it’s the one called “hope” and “optimism” .. sure this team makes it hard, but until the games are played, the positive outcome is as possible as the negative.

 
Comment by gomets6091
2008-04-26 09:53:32

I’m answering the question with my opinions. Jose Reyes is one of the most talented players in baseball, he is just in a rut that he’ll come out of. Look at Wright in the 2nd half of ‘06 and April last year. He was fine, no?

Beltran is still in his prime and averages 30 homers a season. He’ll come around.

Wright is a phenomenal player, and is just in a mini-slump right now, partially because he’s relied upon to do too much.

Alou always hits well when he’s healthy.

I don’t think there’s ever been a season in MLB history where a team hasn’t had some rookie come up and outperform expectations. It ALWAYS happens. Now, it could just be someone like Timo Perez, who only has an impact for a few weeks and never becomes a great player, or someone like Reyes or Wright, who has an impact for a whole half of a season and become stars. Probably more likely to be someone like Timo, but it will happen.

 
Comment by TheHammer
2008-04-26 09:56:53

Juan Pierre was also considered one of the most talented players in the game.

 
Comment by m00kie
2008-04-26 10:07:35

what’s your point? Some guys fulfill their potential, some guys fail. All guys have a period where they struggle and have to come through the other side and make adjustments. The jury’s still out on Jose.

 
Comment by TheHammer
2008-04-26 10:09:34

My only point was that there are no guarantees in life…

 
Comment by gomets6091
2008-04-26 10:10:08

good one. Juan Pierre NEVER made the Baseball America Top 100 prospects list. Jose Reyes was the #3 prospect in baseball in 2003. Got another one for me?

 
Comment by m00kie
2008-04-26 10:18:10

agreed .. no guarantees. But that still opens the possibility that he succeeds, you can’t guarantee that he won’t! I refuse to give up on the season this early (how’s that for another way to say “it’s only april ;)… Until mathematical elimination, there’s always hope (sometimes, longer, look at Hillary) :D

 
Comment by TheHammer