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Despite only accepting two curtain calls during his entire 16–year career, spanning 432 home runs, nearly every local newspaper has a report this morning about Carlos Delgado’s decision to refuse a curtain call from fans during yesterday’s game.
In the Daily News, Bill Madden declares, “Good for him that he chose not to acknowledge them.”
In the Bergen Record, Steve Popper talks about the situation with Carlos Beltran and David Wright, who believes this is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately type of town.
For more, read the New York Post and Newsday.
…mountain, meet mole…have a nice day…
Delgado, while speaking to reporters after the game:
“It surprised me. The way I look at it, the fans here are very passionate, and you just don’t know what they’re gonna do…You hit a home run, shake hands with your friends, but you don’t want to show any one up. The game goes on. We had a two run lead, it went to a three-run lead. Yes, it’s a big run…but, I got a great deal of respect for the game and I don’t think that’s a place for a curtain call…We appreciate the support of the fans, but we’re here to play the game. They pay me to hit the ball and drive in runs. I didn’t think it was the right situation. Having said that, I’m not going to lie that I feel good and it’s a lot better than the boos.
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Hey, what’s that? Ah, it’s a dead horse.
I think Ron Darling put it best during the telecast yesterday. “Carlos has gotten off to a slow start and he realizes that and the fans have been getting on him with the boo’s, so this is Carlos’ way of saying he doesn’t like how the fans have responded so early into the year” With that said, I feel that Carlos knows he still has more work to do and when he picks his game up, he’ll eventually give that curtain call
Absolutely agree with your comment…Not the right time for a curtain call, plus the fans don’t deserve one after the way they have been treating him and the team early on this year so far!!!
You are talking about the fans that pay him 16 mil a year? Oh, those fans…..
The fans don’t pay him $16 million a year.
By that logic, we should all get custody of him one day a month.
He should have to go to your house and tell your kids
a bedtime story.
Then he can visit my parents and take them food shopping.
Give me a break.
The fans who buy a ticket to a game get to see a game. That’s the extent of the agreement. Don’t like it? Don’t go. Nobody owes anyone anything.
thank you. I said it last night I’ll say it again: Fred Wilpon signs his checks, not us. He owes us nothing. If Wilpon wanted a curtain call from him, then he damn well should have done it. I don’t really understand where this sense of fan entitlement comes from.
You said it. the 14% above represent the whining baby and/or drunken leatherlung fans who rain hate down on the players whenever things don’t go our way.
Then the same bunch want their behinds kissed the first time they show a bit of support.
Paying the ticket price entitles you to no specific action from the players.
Let’s assume you’re a season ticket holder. You have a pretty good idea what the roster is going to be when you send the check for your ticket. You have a pretty good idea what the veteran players’ personalities are. Thus, when you pay your money, you are making an informed choice to accept the product laid out before you.
You have absolutely zero right to expect a player to act out of character. Accepting the curtain call would have been out of character for Carlos Delgado. Get over yourself.
I don’t agree with fans that boo for no reason. Booing Santana in his first start at Shea was nuts. However, Carlos is one guy who kind of deserves the boos.
The ABCs of booing:
Visiting team, AKA the enemy: almost anything goes. Boos were invented for visiting teams.
Home team: insufficient hustle, bonehead activity, unsportsman-like conduct.
A home team player in ANY kind of a slump should NOT be booed. Why would you do that? Don’t you want to motivate him? Show your support, dammit!
Delgado gives 100 percent all the time. He may be at the end of his career; show him the respect that career deserves.
I am the biggest booer of Heilman there is, but Delgado does not deserve it. Guy is a future HOF and has does more for us in the couple yrs he has been here then Heilman will ever do.
also ok to boo home players if they are assholes to the fans or organization, or if they do something really bad off the field (Vince Coleman fits pretty much all of these)
Or, if they’ve secretly been working for your most despised rival for 5 years, slowly gaining your trust and then shattering it by giving up 7 runs in 1/3 of an inning in the most important game he’ll ever start for your organization. Then it’s ok to boo. Actually, then it’s ok to throw stuff on the field. God I hate Tom Glavine.
That is not a black and white, Yes or No question. After all the Love we showed then in 06 and 07 and the way 07 ended and 08 has started, it would be nice for Delgado to get in good with the fans, Remeber Beltran in 06? I think the BOOs are part a bigger thing here. Nobody from the team or managenent had yet to accept responsibillity for what happened. So the fans take out our frustration on slummping players. On the other hand he is a grown man and he has the right to choose what he wants to do. I dont like Beltran and Wright’s commnets that this is “what have you done for me lately”. comment. What have we done, we have supported you through the good and the bad and we are the BEST fans in the world, ask Ron and Keith about that 86 team celebration last year. We want to win and we want a good team and when we feel that we have it and the team is not getting it done we will let you know. Dont confuse that with contempt or hatred for the team or a players. Its tough love. LETS GO METS !!!!@!
Booing a struggling player IS showing contempt and hatred for the team, it’s players, and for the game.
A grown man knows that these are grown men at a tough task, where success and failure go hand in hand. A whining baby “takes his frustration out on slumping players.” Sorry, it’s as simple as that.
As swinburne says above, there are times when booing is appropriate. But raining hate on a guy who is a professional and who is struggling to adjust to a prolonged slump is NOT going to help the player or the team. So why do it? The same reason a baby cries for his bottle. The same reason a loser with no self-esteem beats his wife.
You’re so horribly wrong.
People like you have supported the team through the good times, and booed them through the bad. That’s not supporting them, it’s dragging them down further.
And your attempt to prove that this isn’t a “what have you done for me lately” town actually achieves the opposite. The best example you can cite is cheering for the last people who did anything for you? You said it yourself, “We want to win”. That’s precisely a “what have you done for me lately” attitude.
Real fans support their team even when they’re losing. Real fans of the Mets know this well.
i support delgado’s right not to give it…….
and i support the fans right too boo…..
fair enough.
Underlying point: Delgado knows himself better than anyone else.
Has he taken a curtain call in a Met uniform? Negative.
Does he take curtain calls with regularity? Absolutely not.
Does he stand up for things he feels passionate about? You betcha.
Delgado did this a few times last season — and I distinctly remember 2 separate 2-homer games that had everyone thinking “DELGADO IS BACK!!” (a 2-homer game where he “busted out” on Memorial Day weekend down in Miami, and 2-homer game vs. the Giants at home in the Lincecum/Benitez balk-off game), ending up more as a tease more than anything else.
For Delgado to have taken a curtain-call yesterday would say to the fans, “I’M BACK, MOFO’S!!”
Another 4 for 40-somethin’ slump…..and he’s right back where he started, to probably more venomous boos from the Shea faithful.
He’s not stupid……
He knows that he more or less needs to get himself going — and not only that — maintain consistency. I, for one, hope that he goes on a nice little streak, one that shows us he’s capable of carrying a team on his back for weeks at a time.
However, Delgado’s got some major holes in his swing….and guys know how to pitch to him these days. It’s all about taking what they give him — and not trying to do too much.
In fact, “Too Much” is what’s being made of the non-curtain call….
Correction: he did take one in a Met uniform, after his 400th homerun.
it seemed like the 2006 season was filled with curtain calls. I dont recall hearing that Delgado wasnt taking them back then. I dont specifically recall him taking them either, which I guess suggests this is a rather non issue… or should be.
The fans simply reached out to him in an attempt to reconcile and show appreciation for his production similar to when they are frustrated and boo him. Delgado took the low road and refused to reconcile, which admittedly is human nature, but would have showed a lot of respect for the fans and gone a long way in repairing the bad feelings that is undoubtedly going on between delgado and the fans…
I think he refused to reconcile because he didn’t think he had made up for his slump in just one game. He knows that it’s going to take a lot more than one good day to get back on track. He also knows that the same knee-jerk fans that ask for a curtain call for a 7th inning single shot in May that doesn’t really effect the lead (and wasn’t even against the first place team in the division) are the same knee-jerk fans who boo players during May when there’s no real sample-size of stats to accurately gauge performance and the season is so young there are about a gazillion different possible outcomes by the time it’s over. In short, slump or no slump, he’s a smart guy who respects the game.
i dont agrea, I think he would rather say let me get really going and do this all the time then maybe i sea a reason for a curtain call but how can you want the guy to kiss the fanny”s of all those people that been dogging him every day ,every at bat, then they get mad cause he didnt come out , good for you Carlos ,We as fans need to do a better job of backing our team, cause as of late we BOO our boys more than the rival teams and if you think thats doing any good at all put yourself in there shoe’s, imagine playing at home and feeling like your the visiting team .
i will give him this ….. the 2nd shot he hit , was the one ya lookin for ……. he went and got that pitch and pulled it…….with authority…. a good sign…..
yeah it was also a 77 mph pitch that HUNG BIG TIME over the plate. It was a shot but I’m sure Beltran and Church could’ve put that thing in the same spot where Delgado is.
I didn’t vote, because my opinion doesn’t fall into one of those two categories. I guess he can do what he wants, but what bothers me is that the fans keep getting referred to as having one emotion. Everyone doesn’t boo ( I don’t, but that’s irrelevant). I was at the game yesterday, and I didn’t hear a lot of boos before his at bats. I don’t think Delgado should think of the fans as having one opinion. If he was asked to do a curtain call, maybe he should do it for the people that don’t boo and cheer him when he does well. Maybe most of the cheers and the curtain call were coming from fans that haven’t booed him. When I’m in the stands, sometimes it sounds like the stadium is filled with boos, but you look around at the stands and most of the people are not booing. It doesn’t take a huge amount of booing people to be noticeable. If there was a way to find out how many people boo, I would suspect the number would be below 30%. I may be naive here, but I just don’t think that most people boo.
I’ve been saying the same thing here lately. I hope the players don’t think of the fans as one big unanimous voice.
If you have 40,000 people in the stands, and 6 or 7,000 of them are booing, it’s going to sound like a big BOO from the whole crowd. As you say, you’ve seen this happen at a game, and so have I. The rest of us are quietly rooting for our guy (in this case, Delgado) to figure it out, because we know that we’re going to need him to be productive in the middle of the lineup.
look …… no lies here…… delgado does showboat….but nutz 15 makes some great points…… he aint stupid and accepting the call might be looked at as sayin i’m back……
he could have sneeked a arm out ,a very vieled and loose attempt to call a truce……
but fact is delgado’s got a stick up his ass about the fans….
and the fans have an attitude towards him for his lousy fielding , and brutal hitting, and his disattached seemingly non caring statements….
just f***in hit……. and this is all forgotten…
I respect his right not take the ovation. He has been in a huge slump. What if he goes into another slump that lasts another month? So he hits horribly in April and May and takes a curtain call April 27th? That would be silly.
I was pleasantly surprised to read the comments under matt’s first post about this yesterday…I thought it was surely going to be another CD hate fest. Glad I was wrong.
He destroyed that second one!…I wonder if citifield is having any effect on balls leaving the stadium. I think we’ve seen several balls that should’ve gone out, but didn’t. No doubt about that one, though.
excellent point mex fan……
personally ,i dont boo … takes to much engery …….. and little comes of it……
but i would defend a fans right to boo…. as long as it’s not filled with offesive words and bothering other fans around ya..
And to take it a step further — from the fan perspective (a true one — not a bandwagonner who casually attends games at Shea on the weekend):
It’s not like the fans have taken out a scapegoat, and just boo Delgado for the sake of it.
I wouldn’t classify myself as a “boo-bird” by any means….but to sit there and act like the sun’s shining, and birds are chirping in the trees — amidst a 2-for-30-something slump from the middle of the order (official “black-hole” status, by the way — stranding small countries on the basepaths)…..I just don’t see it.
I was at the game last year where Delgado popped 2 outta Shea vs. the ‘Jints (the game winner off Benitez), was there for the standing ovation he received on Irish Day vs. the Dodgers in a crucial spot in August — and by the same token, have been there for plenty of games where he hasn’t touched a ball from the batter’s box at Shea.
It’s like with anything else…..if you’re consistent