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Despite only accepting two curtain calls during his entire 16–year career, spanning 432 home runs, nearly every local newspaper has a report this morning about Carlos Delgado’s decision to refuse a curtain call from fans during yesterday’s game.
In the Daily News, Bill Madden declares, “Good for him that he chose not to acknowledge them.”
In the Bergen Record, Steve Popper talks about the situation with Carlos Beltran and David Wright, who believes this is a what-have-you-done-for-me-lately type of town.
For more, read the New York Post and Newsday.
…mountain, meet mole…have a nice day…
Delgado, while speaking to reporters after the game:
“It surprised me. The way I look at it, the fans here are very passionate, and you just don’t know what they’re gonna do…You hit a home run, shake hands with your friends, but you don’t want to show any one up. The game goes on. We had a two run lead, it went to a three-run lead. Yes, it’s a big run…but, I got a great deal of respect for the game and I don’t think that’s a place for a curtain call…We appreciate the support of the fans, but we’re here to play the game. They pay me to hit the ball and drive in runs. I didn’t think it was the right situation. Having said that, I’m not going to lie that I feel good and it’s a lot better than the boos.
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Hey, what’s that? Ah, it’s a dead horse.
I think Ron Darling put it best during the telecast yesterday. “Carlos has gotten off to a slow start and he realizes that and the fans have been getting on him with the boo’s, so this is Carlos’ way of saying he doesn’t like how the fans have responded so early into the year” With that said, I feel that Carlos knows he still has more work to do and when he picks his game up, he’ll eventually give that curtain call
Absolutely agree with your comment…Not the right time for a curtain call, plus the fans don’t deserve one after the way they have been treating him and the team early on this year so far!!!
You are talking about the fans that pay him 16 mil a year? Oh, those fans…..
The fans don’t pay him $16 million a year.
By that logic, we should all get custody of him one day a month.
He should have to go to your house and tell your kids
a bedtime story.
Then he can visit my parents and take them food shopping.
Give me a break.
The fans who buy a ticket to a game get to see a game. That’s the extent of the agreement. Don’t like it? Don’t go. Nobody owes anyone anything.
thank you. I said it last night I’ll say it again: Fred Wilpon signs his checks, not us. He owes us nothing. If Wilpon wanted a curtain call from him, then he damn well should have done it. I don’t really understand where this sense of fan entitlement comes from.
You said it. the 14% above represent the whining baby and/or drunken leatherlung fans who rain hate down on the players whenever things don’t go our way.
Then the same bunch want their behinds kissed the first time they show a bit of support.
Paying the ticket price entitles you to no specific action from the players.
Let’s assume you’re a season ticket holder. You have a pretty good idea what the roster is going to be when you send the check for your ticket. You have a pretty good idea what the veteran players’ personalities are. Thus, when you pay your money, you are making an informed choice to accept the product laid out before you.
You have absolutely zero right to expect a player to act out of character. Accepting the curtain call would have been out of character for Carlos Delgado. Get over yourself.
I don’t agree with fans that boo for no reason. Booing Santana in his first start at Shea was nuts. However, Carlos is one guy who kind of deserves the boos.
The ABCs of booing:
Visiting team, AKA the enemy: almost anything goes. Boos were invented for visiting teams.
Home team: insufficient hustle, bonehead activity, unsportsman-like conduct.
A home team player in ANY kind of a slump should NOT be booed. Why would you do that? Don’t you want to motivate him? Show your support, dammit!
Delgado gives 100 percent all the time. He may be at the end of his career; show him the respect that career deserves.
I am the biggest booer of Heilman there is, but Delgado does not deserve it. Guy is a future HOF and has does more for us in the couple yrs he has been here then Heilman will ever do.
also ok to boo home players if they are assholes to the fans or organization, or if they do something really bad off the field (Vince Coleman fits pretty much all of these)
Or, if they’ve secretly been working for your most despised rival for 5 years, slowly gaining your trust and then shattering it by giving up 7 runs in 1/3 of an inning in the most important game he’ll ever start for your organization. Then it’s ok to boo. Actually, then it’s ok to throw stuff on the field. God I hate Tom Glavine.
That is not a black and white, Yes or No question. After all the Love we showed then in 06 and 07 and the way 07 ended and 08 has started, it would be nice for Delgado to get in good with the fans, Remeber Beltran in 06? I think the BOOs are part a bigger thing here. Nobody from the team or managenent had yet to accept responsibillity for what happened. So the fans take out our frustration on slummping players. On the other hand he is a grown man and he has the right to choose what he wants to do. I dont like Beltran and Wright’s commnets that this is “what have you done for me lately”. comment. What have we done, we have supported you through the good and the bad and we are the BEST fans in the world, ask Ron and Keith about that 86 team celebration last year. We want to win and we want a good team and when we feel that we have it and the team is not getting it done we will let you know. Dont confuse that with contempt or hatred for the team or a players. Its tough love. LETS GO METS !!!!@!
Booing a struggling player IS showing contempt and hatred for the team, it’s players, and for the game.
A grown man knows that these are grown men at a tough task, where success and failure go hand in hand. A whining baby “takes his frustration out on slumping players.” Sorry, it’s as simple as that.
As swinburne says above, there are times when booing is appropriate. But raining hate on a guy who is a professional and who is struggling to adjust to a prolonged slump is NOT going to help the player or the team. So why do it? The same reason a baby cries for his bottle. The same reason a loser with no self-esteem beats his wife.
You’re so horribly wrong.
People like you have supported the team through the good times, and booed them through the bad. That’s not supporting them, it’s dragging them down further.
And your attempt to prove that this isn’t a “what have you done for me lately” town actually achieves the opposite. The best example you can cite is cheering for the last people who did anything for you? You said it yourself, “We want to win”. That’s precisely a “what have you done for me lately” attitude.
Real fans support their team even when they’re losing. Real fans of the Mets know this well.
i support delgado’s right not to give it…….
and i support the fans right too boo…..
fair enough.
Underlying point: Delgado knows himself better than anyone else.
Has he taken a curtain call in a Met uniform? Negative.
Does he take curtain calls with regularity? Absolutely not.
Does he stand up for things he feels passionate about? You betcha.
Delgado did this a few times last season — and I distinctly remember 2 separate 2-homer games that had everyone thinking “DELGADO IS BACK!!” (a 2-homer game where he “busted out” on Memorial Day weekend down in Miami, and 2-homer game vs. the Giants at home in the Lincecum/Benitez balk-off game), ending up more as a tease more than anything else.
For Delgado to have taken a curtain-call yesterday would say to the fans, “I’M BACK, MOFO’S!!”
Another 4 for 40-somethin’ slump…..and he’s right back where he started, to probably more venomous boos from the Shea faithful.
He’s not stupid……
He knows that he more or less needs to get himself going — and not only that — maintain consistency. I, for one, hope that he goes on a nice little streak, one that shows us he’s capable of carrying a team on his back for weeks at a time.
However, Delgado’s got some major holes in his swing….and guys know how to pitch to him these days. It’s all about taking what they give him — and not trying to do too much.
In fact, “Too Much” is what’s being made of the non-curtain call….
Correction: he did take one in a Met uniform, after his 400th homerun.
it seemed like the 2006 season was filled with curtain calls. I dont recall hearing that Delgado wasnt taking them back then. I dont specifically recall him taking them either, which I guess suggests this is a rather non issue… or should be.
The fans simply reached out to him in an attempt to reconcile and show appreciation for his production similar to when they are frustrated and boo him. Delgado took the low road and refused to reconcile, which admittedly is human nature, but would have showed a lot of respect for the fans and gone a long way in repairing the bad feelings that is undoubtedly going on between delgado and the fans…
I think he refused to reconcile because he didn’t think he had made up for his slump in just one game. He knows that it’s going to take a lot more than one good day to get back on track. He also knows that the same knee-jerk fans that ask for a curtain call for a 7th inning single shot in May that doesn’t really effect the lead (and wasn’t even against the first place team in the division) are the same knee-jerk fans who boo players during May when there’s no real sample-size of stats to accurately gauge performance and the season is so young there are about a gazillion different possible outcomes by the time it’s over. In short, slump or no slump, he’s a smart guy who respects the game.
i dont agrea, I think he would rather say let me get really going and do this all the time then maybe i sea a reason for a curtain call but how can you want the guy to kiss the fanny”s of all those people that been dogging him every day ,every at bat, then they get mad cause he didnt come out , good for you Carlos ,We as fans need to do a better job of backing our team, cause as of late we BOO our boys more than the rival teams and if you think thats doing any good at all put yourself in there shoe’s, imagine playing at home and feeling like your the visiting team .
i will give him this ….. the 2nd shot he hit , was the one ya lookin for ……. he went and got that pitch and pulled it…….with authority…. a good sign…..
yeah it was also a 77 mph pitch that HUNG BIG TIME over the plate. It was a shot but I’m sure Beltran and Church could’ve put that thing in the same spot where Delgado is.
I didn’t vote, because my opinion doesn’t fall into one of those two categories. I guess he can do what he wants, but what bothers me is that the fans keep getting referred to as having one emotion. Everyone doesn’t boo ( I don’t, but that’s irrelevant). I was at the game yesterday, and I didn’t hear a lot of boos before his at bats. I don’t think Delgado should think of the fans as having one opinion. If he was asked to do a curtain call, maybe he should do it for the people that don’t boo and cheer him when he does well. Maybe most of the cheers and the curtain call were coming from fans that haven’t booed him. When I’m in the stands, sometimes it sounds like the stadium is filled with boos, but you look around at the stands and most of the people are not booing. It doesn’t take a huge amount of booing people to be noticeable. If there was a way to find out how many people boo, I would suspect the number would be below 30%. I may be naive here, but I just don’t think that most people boo.
I’ve been saying the same thing here lately. I hope the players don’t think of the fans as one big unanimous voice.
If you have 40,000 people in the stands, and 6 or 7,000 of them are booing, it’s going to sound like a big BOO from the whole crowd. As you say, you’ve seen this happen at a game, and so have I. The rest of us are quietly rooting for our guy (in this case, Delgado) to figure it out, because we know that we’re going to need him to be productive in the middle of the lineup.
look …… no lies here…… delgado does showboat….but nutz 15 makes some great points…… he aint stupid and accepting the call might be looked at as sayin i’m back……
he could have sneeked a arm out ,a very vieled and loose attempt to call a truce……
but fact is delgado’s got a stick up his ass about the fans….
and the fans have an attitude towards him for his lousy fielding , and brutal hitting, and his disattached seemingly non caring statements….
just f***in hit……. and this is all forgotten…
I respect his right not take the ovation. He has been in a huge slump. What if he goes into another slump that lasts another month? So he hits horribly in April and May and takes a curtain call April 27th? That would be silly.
I was pleasantly surprised to read the comments under matt’s first post about this yesterday…I thought it was surely going to be another CD hate fest. Glad I was wrong.
He destroyed that second one!…I wonder if citifield is having any effect on balls leaving the stadium. I think we’ve seen several balls that should’ve gone out, but didn’t. No doubt about that one, though.
excellent point mex fan……
personally ,i dont boo … takes to much engery …….. and little comes of it……
but i would defend a fans right to boo…. as long as it’s not filled with offesive words and bothering other fans around ya..
And to take it a step further — from the fan perspective (a true one — not a bandwagonner who casually attends games at Shea on the weekend):
It’s not like the fans have taken out a scapegoat, and just boo Delgado for the sake of it.
I wouldn’t classify myself as a “boo-bird” by any means….but to sit there and act like the sun’s shining, and birds are chirping in the trees — amidst a 2-for-30-something slump from the middle of the order (official “black-hole” status, by the way — stranding small countries on the basepaths)…..I just don’t see it.
I was at the game last year where Delgado popped 2 outta Shea vs. the ‘Jints (the game winner off Benitez), was there for the standing ovation he received on Irish Day vs. the Dodgers in a crucial spot in August — and by the same token, have been there for plenty of games where he hasn’t touched a ball from the batter’s box at Shea.
It’s like with anything else…..if you’re consistent (read: not consistently horrendous, especially at home) — then you don’t make yourself a target.
.226
.225
.200
Delgado’s splits at Shea, from 2006-2008. And at $16.5 or so million? Let’s not make him out to be some sort of persecuted soul here…..produce, and avoid the situation altogether.
Nobody WANTS to boo their own hometown team. I firmly believe that — last year, coupled with a slow start….this is what you get.
Now is the time to show you have something between your legs, and step it up. Take the division that’s supposed to be yours.
I didn’t read this whole post because the first sentence struck me as odd. Some people have full time jobs, families, school and other responsibilities. I personally can rarely attend games during the week because I work full time and go to law school at night. So, because I only attend SOME weekend games throughout the season, I am a band wagoner?
yea, to add to that, I don’t even live in NY anymore b/c I’m in law school in DC. I took time out of studying for finals to go to the game last Wednesday down here, but I’ve only been to one game at Shea and it was a weekend. Am I a bandwagon fan?
I dont even live in NY State!! I live in Vermont over 300 miles away and I spend around $300 to attend one game and Yes, its a satuirday game, we might even attend 2 games. In 2006 I went to game 1 against the Dodgers and I bought a 7 pack for 2007 so I could get playoff tickets…heheheheheh, Am I a bandwagon fan, as well? I also have to spend $200 to get MLB Extra Innings and watch away game on the “other teams” feed. And I ask again, Am I a bandwagon fan?
LETS GO METS !!!!
yes, he got off to a rough start there.
No, but maybe if you’d like to read some of the other stuff I’ve posted today for some perspective?
You guys taking some sort of “hit” to your fandom because you’re out of state can take a chill-pill — I don’t imply that you’re not fans….
My implication are the number of so-called “experts” who have just recently surfaced at Shea because they jumped on the 2006 bandwagon.
You know…the same ones who happen to get lucky and win those stupid ticket-drawings online? “Hey, I got tickets to the Met game…let’s go, even though we don’t know or care about the team. If they stink, we can boo them.”
Yes, the “true” Met fans…..
Relax, and read-on…..I’m not that asinine.
listen man gas is 4 $ a gallon and the middle class is struggling to put food on the table…….. put kids thru college and hopefuly retire oneday……
lets not judge fans , dedication and love based on incomes ,play money and how many games your lucky enough to attended..
i had season tickets for 20 years .. and sat thru some of the worst era’s in met history……… just cause someone works a 2nd job to keep up with the mortgage….
lets noe pump your real fan chest out to far….
My man…that’s not by any means directed at you — fight the good fight, we’re all there with you in tough economic times.
I’d never question a guy like you and his fandom. The ones I do question, though — are the certain influx of fans, “expecting a championship” after running to Modell’s and buying their 2006 NL East Champs t-shirts….all the while, not knowing a thing about the team.
These are the boo-birds…..these are the fickle fans — for the most part. I’ve booed, believe me — but it’s only in the cases of Schoeneweis (who’s Doug Sisk-ish at Shea) — and when I’ve had it completely up to my eyeball with a certain player.
Otherwise, there’s no “pumping of chests” here….just saying, that “diehards” have been kicked to the curb in the days of the “front-runner” — and it carries over in the things the players see and hear on the field.
Again…..grouping all fans under one umbrella, because of a minority. Unfair, and untrue in alot of cases.
schoeneweis has been awesome since he blew the lead in the home opener. people need to realize this.
great move him while he has some value…
if Willie uses him right, he’s a good arm out of the bullpen. We’ve had a lot of bullpen guys have bad years followed by good ones. We have enough problems in the bullpen without trading away someone who is pitching well.
Actually, so far the only problems in the ‘pen have been Heilman and Sosa. Sosa is worthless to me, I’d just as soon see the Mets dump him, but I think Heilman will be fine now that he’s not the 8th inning guy. In fact, I wouldn’t mind seeing him take over Sosa’s role as the swing man, who can pitch a few innings or who can come in in the 6th or 7th for a few batters. Less pressure, which he thrives on.
honestly i think fans realize that scott schoeneweis is a left handed specialist and boo because he should NEVER face a right handed hitter. he is effective when used correctly which I think Willie has finally understood.
^ Yeah, that.
Schoeneweis got extremely lucky yesterday — and while I know exactly how he’s pitched since Opening Day, it’s clear that he shouldn’t be facing a righty in any tight spot.
Yesterday, he worked out of trouble (read: got bailed out by Church) on Teixeira’s drive to RCF — and had a couple runs as cushion.
I have no problems there, but this guy stinks on ice vs. anything other than a left-handed hitter….and it’s always been that way.
The most overpaid left-handed specialist in MLB history. And that’s why he gets booed.
this guy is an idiot
Delgado’s decision is fine with me. I noted something else ne did just before the top of the 9th started. After the toss-around between innings, he tossed the ball to a young woman in the front row of the stands behind the camera box–she flubbed it and dropped it into the box. Delgado walked over into the box (he had been by first by now), picked up the ball and gave it to her before husting back to his spot before the first pitch. A small gesture from a class guy. Let’s hope the hits keep coming.
roger clemins once made sure my kid got a ball…. even signed it later……. classy guy…..
classy moment maybe
rotten guy
true story …but dripping with sarcasim..
let’s not lump Delgado in with Clemens. It’s not like he’s asking the Mets for all kinds of special allowances or anything. He just didn’t answer a curtain call. As far as I know, he’s never thrown a broken bat shard at another player. And if he has, I’m sure he really thought it was the ball, and I’m sure he believed pegging was allowed in baseball….
First and foremost…I will continue to feel the same way about (and that is I have no preference–I do not boo or cheer) Delgado. His two home runs in yesterday’s contest had no change or bearing on how I should treat him. The only way I will support and cheer Mr. Delgado is for him to hit consistently. Two H.R.’s in one game does not change a thing. Let him produce the next few weeks and I will cheer. But until then I have no preference.
Agreed giuseppe….remember Mo Vaughn? He hits a big 3-R HR against the Yanks and everyone loved him! After that…..NOTHING. Time will tell over the next couple of months what Delgado really has left.
funny to me that people are more eager/willing to take a longer view of Delgado only in a negative context rather than a positive one. i.e., believing that he’s done until proven otherwise, rather than believing he’s not done until proven otherwise.
^ Agreed, 100%.
Don’t think Delgado doesn’t know this, either. He knows how silly it would’ve been to take a curtain call — only to fall back into the same ways again.
The key for Delgado is to make the adjustment….and transition as a hitter at this stage of his career. Realistically, he should’ve been looking to take the ball the other way a long, long time ago.
And seeing his ruthean Opposite-Field power in the 2006 playoffs, I don’t understand why he’s so pull-happy. He can crush a ball oppo…..and then adjust, and put one off the scoreboard anyway.
Take what they give you. And stop swinging at balls that are riding up and in, bordering on hitting you. You ain’t gonna do a thing with ‘em — except foul ‘em off some poor fan’s face down the 1st base line.
Get on it, ‘Gado…..we need ya.
Don’t get me wrong, I am happy the Mets won, but I need to see consistency from Delgado. I want to cheer him like I did in 2006. Hopefully, he will continue the trend. Let’s go Mets!
I agree with everything you said except your closing statement. We don’t need him, we just need him not to hurt us. Of course, if he wants to revert back to 2006 form or even better, earlier form, all of the sudden you are talking about a lineup that no one wants to face. But at this point, I’d be happy with some decent fielding a a .370 OBP. If Moises ever comes back, that should make for a pretty formidable lineup.
With Moises Alou going for an MRI this morning, and potentially having a fractured ankle — we need Delgado more than ever.
Well, I guess I am a “bandwagonner” because I can only afford a piece of a weekend package and don’t boo Figgy after he gives up 2 runs in the 6th.
C’mon — this isn’t what I’m saying — this is applicable to the casual know-nothing fan who walks by your office the day after Santana hears a few boos at Shea and says….man, Johan’s lookin’ rough, huh?!
And means it…..
Do you want him to do a dance for you? He’s there to play baseball, not wave like a beauty pagent contestant.
he does dance …everytime he or jose goes yard…
Well, I guess I am a “bandwagonner” because I can only afford a piece of a weekend package and don’t boo Figgy after he gives up 2 runs in the 6th. You can still be objective about your team’s flaws and not boo every run given up or out made by your team.
Yesterday was one of the games where I got all 4 seats as opposed to my usual 2 and got to take the entire family (kids 10 and 8). Its amazing how much more nonsense you notice with the kids as opposed to throwing some brews back with a buddy.
Fans have the right to boo, but how and when you boo says alot about you. Yes, its a minority, but Shea has a contingent of frustrated losers these days, more so than the past. Nothing short of perfection is good enough for this group. Bandwaggoner’s opinion, boo after a boneheaded play or lack of hustle. Booing someone in a slump makes no sense to me. Does delgado want to be out there embarassing himself? The guy clearly takes care of himself, apparently he has some pride.
Does anyone really believe he doesn’t care?
I have no problem with the non-curtain call, just hit. If I were him, there is no way I take that call and I thought he spoke to it very well afterwords. Some of these guys should look themselves in the mirror, I bet they will find lots of worse imperfections to boo. Shoot, half of them are at work blogging. Delgado doesn’t do that. Maybe you boo-birds should stop blogging and “produce”.
I think this whole issue of accepting the curtain call is a silly one. If I had to bet, I’d say there’s a pretty good chance that that was the last time Delgado’s gonna get an opportunity for a curtain call, at least here in NY. I would love for him to prove me wrong and stick around all year, but I’ve pretty much given up hope on the guy after the start this year (honestly, more about his immobility in the field than at the plate – other than Church, no one has really hit consistently yet). I still think that the man has another month left to prove to the Mets that he can at least somewhat justify staying on the roster, and another run of 50 ABs where he’s hitting under .200 just might be the end of him. Like I said, I still hope he proves me wrong, but really, a month into the season I feel that if we had Dougy M manning the position we would already have an extra win or two (again based on fielding, of course, and the fact that the only game Delgado can be accredited with a W for even slightly was in Washington, not yesterday). Of course, the signature Delgado fist pump after a double-play (which 20% the time can be attributed to Delgado’s lack of mobility not allowing him to play a routine grounder) will be sorely missed.
I don’t believe for one second that Delgado has only responded to two curtain calls in his career… Not for a second…
i’d don’t believe or disbelieve it, but there’s really no way to tell.
if carlos HAD taken the curtain call, he’d be under fire today for given in to those fickle, surly mets fans, or for celebrating one good day in a horrible month.
no win situation.
Look, this is going to go two ways—
(1) Delgado goes back into his funk, the fans booing gets even more intense, partially because of this incident, and things get even tougher…
or
(2) (much more preferred) Delgado starts heating up, and realizes that this issue blew up (you know, in NY, the scrutiny is intense and these guys have feelings, too), and takes a curtain call after a big home run and makes nice with the fans, ala Beltran of a few years ago.
My impression of what Wright said (with his hands up)— Look if you don’t want to take the curtain call, don’t do it. I don’t think it was anything more than that, and it looks like he went over to him afterwards to say sorry that he was getting in the middle there…
i find it amazin that people are shocked at the amout of scrutiny these guys would be under after sealing the deal on the great collapse….. get used to it folks cuz this is gonna hover like a storm cloud till the mets deliver a div . title….
this is new york and we all know how the press works….. they played thier way into this .. they’ll have to play thier way out…
I agree. I think the fans are getting criticized for being hard on the players and the team, but it’s because we can see a lot of tendancies that lead to their lackadaisical play and bad results from last year.
Watch the replay…in the dugout after the second home run you can read D.Wrights lips saying “Dont Go” assuming for a curtain call.
This is Wrights opportunity to take leadership of the clubhouse by fessing up that he discouraged Delgado from taking the curtain call.
He’s playing with house money in regard to the fans and would pull Delgado’s behind from the fire and finally become the team leader.
Let me get my position on the record before pointing out an inconsistency in Delgado’s statement: I am fine with him not taking it and, in fact, I would have done the same thing; I only think you boo a player on your team when they aren’t giving a good effort not when trying but failing.
Here’s the problem with Delgado’s statement: he says he didn’t do it out of respect for the game and not showing up the other team. Hmmm, how does it work then when he’s the first one at the top of the dugout ready to dance and handshake with Reyes? We can debate whether Reyes should or shouldn’t do that but that celebration is in the same vein and he support it strongly. A little hypocracy Mr. Delgado?
Anyway, I’m not going to get hyped up about it because I just think he’s trying to stem any controversy with this little smoke screen. Clearly, part of the reason was the way the fans were treating him respect for game or not.
in other news, the mets won 2 of 3 from the braves.
they also won 2 of 3 from the phillies twice this season.
booooooooooo!
lol
bingo………… ^ thats what i’m sayin….. when your popping like daddy yankee ,with every thing ya do … your not classy and your not respecting the other team or game……
ya cant have it both ways……
I say we keep asking him for curtain calls after anything he does good at the plate, then when he finally sticks his bald head out of the dugout, we boo him, boo him like you never booed before -
I really like the booing theme this year, we should use it more:
1) Instead of the “lets go mets – hooo” chant during the game, should be “lets go mets – booo”
2) Maybe they should change the mets mascot from Mr. Met to Mr. Ghost, and he just goes around the stadium Saying BOO
open to any other suggestions.
3) “Everybody boo Johan! Come on Yo! Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo Boo”
Funny thing is, if Delgado did give the curtain call, and then went 2 for his next 22, at least a few people here would post and say, “Maybe if he worked more on his hitting and less on pumping his fist with the fans…”
As long as he can’t win, he might as well hit home runs and then sit in the dugout. That’s his actual job.
Can’t win with the fans, that is. Didn’t mean on the field.
This is what happens, though — you have the contingent who’ll sit there and think Jose Reyes is a wind-up doll, and hits .300 because he does dances in the dugout.
Doesn’t work that way, and it’s finally become evident that Reyes has alot of work to do in working toward “consistency” — it’s not about handshakes and dances.
By the same token, Delgado has to work towards a level of consistency in performing before a home crowd….because it’s been anything but consistent for 2, going on 3 years now.
Alot would change for him in 2008, if this game sparks off something — but as stated, we’ve seen flashes like this from him before.
Which is why he knows better than to take a curtain call for it.
“Which is why he knows better than to take a curtain call for it.”
Completely agree.
Fans booing home players are foolish. I’m glad Delgado didn’t come out. Also, it’s good Delgado didn’t come out; it wasn’t as if he hit a game winning homer, he had a good game and that’s it. He knows that as well.
nutz ..is on fire today …right on the money again…
I like coming here for the “major issues” — or the ones that fans make out to be major issues, anyway.
This team would make major strides, provided they played some consistent ball.
Don’t think the home crowd doesn’t notice the way they’ve been playing at Shea for awhile now. Last year was miserable at times in Flushing, even before the events that transpired down the stretch.
Turn it up and play some ball — otherwise, save the cryin’ for when you’re in your california-king sized bed at night. They know they need to perform….the question is: will they?
That’s the question I’d like this team to answer: “How good are you?”
Step up and play some ball.
If CD had just taken 5 seconds and waved his hand this would have been a complete non-issue, and we would all be talking about his good game and how we hope he is finally breaking out of his slump. He has the right to not take a curtain call but I hope he enjoys this being an issue for awhile. This being NY it’s going to get all blown up. He should’ve just manned up and popped his head out of the dugout.
Why should he have? If I was treated that way by the fans I’d be hesitant to come out also. Let’s say he did come out and waved. People would have been pleased with him for about a day and then they would have went right back to booing him when he went 0-4.
It is beyond a no-win situation. I could only imagine hearing Mike and the Mad Dog laughing their asses off today saying “Wow he’s hitt .195 and he takes a curtain call. All I know is Barry Bonds/Derek Jeter/Mickey Mantle never would have done that!”
And nobody should compare this to what Beltran did in 2006. Fans were pissed at him like they were when Piazza came to Shea his first year. They had high expectations for him and he didn’t produce due to nerves of playing in the big time. However, people realized that Beltran was a gamer when he came back quickly after that collision with Cameron so they could try and make the playoffs. The fans never got to show their support towards the end of the season and when he hit the homer the beginning of the season they said he was in good graces with them.
Should Delgado be booed? Only if you want to. Personally, I boo people who don’t give me effort or are total idiots. Delgado did the right thing, move on and let’s see if it gets him started.
You must have been one of the idiots booing Delgado on Saturday and asking for a curtiain call on Sunday. Carlos Delgado does’nt have to do anything besides play at the best level he can. It was his way of saying “keep booing me and my teammates and this is my response.
thats what i’m sayin ….kap … the fans have been no prize but they have thier legit gripes….
and delgado’s certainly not done and said enough to warrant his treatment … he’s played his role in all this…..
he could have rased a single finger above the dugout and avioded all this……
until this team plays solid ball for an extended period everthing will be put under a microscope …. like it or not……
just win and all goes away….
John your right, win and it will all go away. I know it’s April but on some days this team looks like the team from September 07, and until they put together a good consistent stretch of winning baseball everyone is going to be waiting for the other shoe to drop.
In regards to the whole curtain call, it is an issue because we are talking about it and the whole NY media is talking about it. While Delgado has been treated pretty harshly by the fans he just made it worse by not going out there. All the reasons listed by agbayani are right, but this is going to be a distraction for awhile because writers are going to continue to write about it. If he would’ve just paid lip service to the fans we could’ve skipped this whole story but he chose not to so now we are all stuck with it. This will continue to be a big story whether he does good or bad from here on out. The media will make it into some sort of face-off between the fans and Delgado.
Also if I remember correctly Johnny Damon made a curtain call after a 2 hr game last year when he was hitting like .191. And I’m sure there have been other players who have been slumping and had a breakout game and the fans reward them with a curtain call. So it doesn’t matter what their BA is, it is about that game at that moment. And it isn’t showboating or showing up the other team. That’s a bunch of bull because teams know the difference between a player celebrating on the field and when the home team’s fans call for a curtain call. It’s completely different and visiting teams respect that.
i meant he has done enough to warrant..
I think it would it be great for this blog, among other sports blog, to start critiquing the piss-poor job the local newspapers are doing (e.g., trying to make this into a story). It’s time that someone held these writers accountable.
you are so right bro and its crazy how they try to make it seam like he did a crime or something, you should have heard the mike and the mad dog show today, mike was just going crazy about how delgado was trying to show up the fans and how he was starting this big war and trying to beat the fans, and I tell you I spent an hour trying to get through on the phone just to let them know that the only people making an isue of it were them the media its just pathetic you should of heard this guy the way he was going on about delgado, you would have thought delgado came out of the dugout with a big sign around him saying curtaincall my but you bunch of mofo”s!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did anyone happen to be listening to the pre-game on WFAN for the game yesterday? It was interesting in light of what happened in the game that followed, because Howie Rose (pretty sure it was Howie) pointed out that Delgado was signing a ton of autographs from the dugout right before the game.
It tells me that he’s truly not bitter at the fans.
fuel….meet fire.
Matt,
Continuing to talk about, no matter whose side your on, still stirs the pot.
I am a season plan holder and a Mets fan since 1962; Number 1 I have never booed a Mets player and I have lived through a lot of losing. On Saturday (and 2 previous Saturday’s
these idiot fans booed Carlos D and Johan Santana without mercy. I have to say at that point I was embarrassed to be a fan and felt terrible for the 2 players in question. Keep booing fans and no players will want to come to Flushing.
Why has there been so much booing? Perhaps because of the way we customers have been treated recently. Ticket prices up 25% in a recession. $7.50 for a 12 ounce can of Bud. I’ve been a loyal customer (Saturday plan since 1985) and I still haven’t been told if I will be getting any seats in the new ballpark. It’s hard to show a team loyalty when there doesn’t seem to be any loyalty returned.
If the $7.50 per Bud is too much for you maybe you should’nt be drinking at the game. I am a plan holder as well , have been 7 pack holder for the past 8 years and I don’t think I am getting into City Field next year. Guess what ? I don’t boo this team. Never had , never will and I was very upset the way the season ended in 07. Booing will not help his team hit , fild or pitch better.
I don’t drink $7.50 beers and I don’t boo. It angered me when fans booed Santana after giving up three dingers and Delgado would have been nuts to come out given the way he has been treated. I’m not condoning booing of our own but a am wondering why it has gotten worse. I think we (paying customers) are being treated poorly. I am on record as having bought over 650 tickets over the last 24 seasons (plus a significant number of other games), I pay ou of my own pocket and can’t take a tax deduction like people with businesses and yet the Mets (thus far) have given me a big F**K YOU about plans for next year. Remember, the people in the ballpark are customers, not just fans, and there is a difference. I don’t condone wholesale booing but I am trying to figure out why it happens.
i didn’t like the way they boo’ed Santana either, i was there and i could only stare in shock…this guy is our Ace :o why are we booing him if he makes one bad start?
I really believe the booing comes from the lackadaisical, passionless play that the Mets are prone to display. After everything that went down last year I don’t think it’s too much to expect these guys to play with some passion. I mean get angry and throw something when you are struggling or at least seem angry. They all–led by Willie–have this BS company line of ‘well we will just turn the page and try again tomorrow’ and ‘no its early we still have time there’s no urgency.’
That was the same crap they were spouting last September when everyone could see that they were just going through the motions. At times so far this year it has looked as if they are going through the motions and that they just expect to get ‘W’ by throwing their hats onto the field. Let’s remember Delgado has been pretty terrible–with flashes of greatness–for the last year. I don’t think it’s too much to expect that after a year of pulling balls into the shift for an inning ending DP that Delgado, may oh no god forbid, make some adjustments. I mean jezuz you are a professional athlete and it hasn’t been working for over a year, so how about you try something new.
I think you’re 100% wrong,
Sure, this whole curtain-call thing isn’t really a big deal, relatively speaking, but I agree with Carlos’s decision not to give a one. He deserved one, but the fans certainly didn’t. Only when someone– albeit a proven capable player– does well do we as fans support him.
And that’s just wrong.