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Moises Alou will have an MRI today on his swollen ankle, which reports suggest could be fractured.
…according to eyewitnesses, who have been right before, alou was seen limping on his way in to the hospital today, which i am sure comes as no surprise to you…
…if this is true, and he ends up being diagnosed with a fractured ankle, he’ll likely end up out of action for quite a while – despite Omar Minaya suggesting alou could play with such an injury, while talking to reporters over the weekend…
…ummm, is he watching the same alou that you and i are…alou hurts himself when 100 percent healthy…how will he stay in line while playing with a fracture…
…at any rate, if it ends up being that alou will be out of action through the summer, it leaves a major void in the middle of the lineup – especially when considering the struggles of Carlos Delgado, and how that has impacted Carlos Beltran…
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…by the way, here’s a question to chew on: if Orlando Hernandez pitched an endless batting practice to Moises Alou, who would get hurt first…and what would the injury be…
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Back in February I did my first “All Questions Answered Thread” for Mets Prospectus. Things went “OK” (thanks to help from hotfootblog), but this time I’m hoping for more questions. So, here we go.. From now until 6:30 PM EST you can ask as many questions as you like on topics such as, Mets prospects, the big league team, or anything else that is somewhat related to baseball.
Disclaimer: I don’t think of myself as an expert–I’m far from it. These Q+A are just to give you a different opinion, or possibly introduce you to something you didn’t already know.
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Nady isn’t worth top prospects, but the Pirates seem to think he is.
Adam Dunn?
Sign Sammy Sosa.
Sign and start Barry Bonds. I am serious, we need some spark to this team, barry would bring that along with a slew of reporters. Let him start hitting bombs out of shea and if nothing else be walked every other at bat.
Yes it would be a circus yes he would be a distraction in the clubhouse, maybe that is what this team needs. Someone to take the distractions. And who cares it would be for a year and the guy can still hit! Look everyone was on roids, doesn’t make it right and I am not saying it was, but look at Petite across town.
Give it a try sign him to a one year deal let him come in and hit the ball. Like his godfather Willie Mays let him retire a MET!!!!
Sure, let’s let Bonds hit in front of Delgado. This team will set a record for hitting into double plays. So much for getting younger and right-handed. No, thank you.
That’s an excellent point, if Bonds became the story then it would completely take the focus off the collapse, the booing, Delgado and all that other BS that we’ve had to hear about this season.
and really, who doesn’t love a circus? :-)
His knees are shot. He cannot play the field anymore. If he ends playing it will be in the AL where he can DH. Besides signing him or Green means the person would be around a month away. Depending on the injury Alou could be back by then. I personally say start Pagan see what he has full time. He has held his own for a month and everyone already knew how to pitch to him from his time with the Cubs. If he starts fading look to the minors for help maybe Fernando forces the Mets hands like Wright did and goes to AAA and than the majors in July.
Xavier Nady–who I don’t think is the answer at all–can’t be the solution in LF and 1B at the same time.
I still would like to see Kendry Morales (primarily 1B, can play some OF); I am OK with Pagan/Endy (though Endy could really stand to be traded now) in LF IF the organization thinks FMart will be ready in Sept/next year.
Hey, if we’re struggling at the deadline, Bonds will still be available! (Just kidding, mostly.)
As much as I don’t want him to be a Metm how incredible would that lineup look with Bonds in it? Bonds protecting Beltran or even Delgado!
And how incredible woud that OF be, with Church and Beltran covering everything that wasn’t hit directly to Barry?
lol
Are you suggesting that Bonds play center? That’s a hell of an idea…
thing is, I bet they could
As compared to the amazing athletic range of Alou? Seriously?
At least Alou will go after a ball and get his uniform dirty if need be. Barry seems to think it’s a gross imposition for him to actually *move* to catch a flyball. I mean, doesn’t the ball know that he’s Barry Bonds and what an honor it would be for the ball to be caught by him?
Exactly Alou doesn’t have great range but he goes hard after the ball and will dive if he has to. Bonds has less range at this point and doesn’t go hard after the ball.
what’s the difference between diving and missing the catch vs. letting it fall in? either way it’s a hit. Besides, the more Alou dives, the more likely he is to break something else.
I would love to see nady but like u said it will not be the end all solution here. Kendry is interesting once i saw his numbers and age is not a bad pick up. I wonder what it would take to get him. And i am against trading MORE prospects away for a team that HAS to get younger. Alot of money is coming off the books for next year and it will be the perfect opportunity to improve on that aspect. Hopefully delgado will build off of the game he just had and find his swing so church can get some protection.
LAA has a million outfielders/DHs and their bullpen is bad. It would be a shame if Heilman and Sosa pitched their way out of a good deal for the Mets.
Sorry to sound so sanctimonious in the previous thread about booing. Because I will put aside my beliefs about booing and boo the hell out of Bonds if he ever plays for the Mets this year.
If the Mets sign Bonds, I will root for another team.
Amen.
Oh come on now.
I can “somewhat” understand if they trade someone away (Wright, Reyes). But to root for another team because they ADD a player. If that is the case I don’t think you are a true Met fan.
Nady is a very nice player who could supplant either Delgado or Alou for us next year as an everyday player. I think his value to the Mets is greater than his value to lots of other teams…as those two spots are where our major holes are next year. Nady would be an excellent 5 or 6 hitter (lefty – righty matchups depending) in this lineup.
I would say to do anything short of trading F-Mart and more than 2 of the following Carp/Evans/Murphy/Niese.
and they can throw in Sosa as a “bonus”
Sosa would be like a negative bonus. It would be like when you were in school and handed in an assignment two days late. You lost 5 points for every day late. So, out of the gate, Pitt would be -10 in the trade.
Are you saying you would be ok with trading Carp and Niese for Nady? INSANE
Carp is regarded as a marginal prospect. It’s not like Nady is 35 years old.
Niese looks like a nice left handed pitcher, but Nady has proven he can be a solid hitter for this team. I’m saying I would do it.
Yeah, I gave it some more thought, and I think I’d do it too. One thing is, I’d have to speak to Nady and make sure that he’s comfortable with taking over 1B for good next year and going forward. If he isn’t, we need to hold on to Carp…
Agreed. I don’t want Texeira. I can see him being a free agent bust.
Texeira will be a great pickup for whoever picks him up, but it won’t be the Mets. This guy will demand way too much money that Omar will not even consider investing. I would honestly, rather have him than anyone else, but it will be impossible to outbid the Yanks on this one…
Maybe I should replace the word “bust” with “overpaid”. I don’t think he is worth 20 mil/year.
I’m a professor who uses hypotheticals to teach ethics, But yours posing the question of who would get hurt first if Hernandez was pitching to Alou beats for humor anything I’ve encountered in many years of teaching and rooting for the Mets.
Chris Aguila. He turned a corner in 2003, and has been a .320 hitter at AAA ever since. He’s raking with a 1.083 OPS in NO this year. Give him a shot in the rotation as soon as Schneider comes back (send down Molina or Casanova).
Chris is that you? LOL
“if Orlando Hernandez pitched an endless batting practice to Moises Alou, who would get hurt first”
First pitch….El Duque’s toe cramps during the delivery and Alou’s hammy pulls as he ducks to get out of the way.
And all you hear is “JUST A BIT OUTSIDE!”
Hernandez won’t even throw the first pitch. Alou will twist his ankle and jam his wrist when he walks up to the plate and tries to to dig in and falls…
What’s the deal with Omar being highly inaccurate regarding injury updates? Who does he think he is kidding? In fact it makes him look very desperate lying about alou’s status….this is not looking good….
The second Alou went down with a hernia, I was sure this was the end for him. I just don’t see him playing again. Good for Pagan, sux for Delgado…
Colonel Mustard, in the Library with the candle stick.
I’ll fess up to voting for Barry. I’d feel extremely weird (and hypocritical as I’ve always killed the guy), but he would make the offense better and would only cost money. I gotta believe Pagan is going to revert back to more of his career numbers and Nady is probably going to cost too much. I don’t like the idea of bringing F-Mart up just yet either. Bonds would be a huge threat in the lineup.
The downside is that he would probably be totally caustic in the locker room and his D is attrocious.
All the talk about passion in the game is going right out the window with you guys, isn’t it. Why are you so set on getting a self-centered, egotistical player who doesn’t care about anyone but himself? Getting Bonds might help the lineup in 2008, but it will hurt the team as a whole in 2008 and beyond. This team needs to build up chemistry, not destroy it…
Well you could argue that nothing helps chemistry like winning. And what would you rather have? A selfish player who performs at a high level, or an unselfish player who stinks?
Bonds isn’t a perfect answer to the LF problem, but then again, I don’t think any of the options are perfect. We need production out of that spot, and Bonds gets a high level of production for nothing but money. Nady gets less production and no headache, but will cost prospects (of which we have few of real value). Pagan and/or Chavez will give the least amount of production.
I don’t agree with you that winning is the only thing driving chemistry. How many teams was Bonds a part of that won? Not too many over his illustrious career. Besides, no one knows how he’ll perform now that he’s off steroids (I’m assuming?). I just don’t think it’s a good idea all around. I think Nady will provide adequate protection for Delgado (or will it be the other way around) and although he might not produce like Bonds of 2000, I don’t think Bonds will produce like Bonds of 2000 either, and Nady’s production at 29 should be at the very least comparable to Bond’s production at 44. At the very least, he won’t be doubled up after every time he gets on base. Also to note, in Shea, it will be HR or single for Bonds – brings back memories of Mo Vaughn – would you like to sign him again??
No, but I don’t think it is fair to compare Bonds to Vaughn, either. Look at Bond’s numbers from last season. The guy can still perform.
Look, if all things were equal, I’d take Nady 100 times out of 100, but the problem with Nady is that he is going to cost a lot in terms of prospects. We have very few to begin with and I think it is better to hang on to them. I voted for Barry because he only costs money.
As far as the chemistry thing, I don’t know how much of an impact he would really have. It is by and far a veteren locker room. If it was a bunch of 21 year olds, yeah, I’d worry about Barry’s influence. I don’t see how Bonds is going to have an effect on the way Beltran or Delgado approach the game or the team.
I can’t argue with a .480 OBP in 340 at bats, but I will still insist that he won’t be half the player he was in SF. Shea will hold down a bunch of his hr’s, and a bunch of them will stay in the park just because he’s older and hasn’t played in a while. There will be a circus in the Mets locker room, and though he won’t have any direct impact on the players, I am fairly certain that there will be plenty of things that because of him will take others’ head off the game. Not to mention his horrid speed – surely you would bat him in front of Delgado, he’ll get walked, Delgado hits into the shift….
Nady is not worth the rest of our top prospects, which is what he would cost. I say let Pagan play until/unless he plays himself out of it. Then sign Bonds.
So… not one person has yet mentioned the how LH-heavy the lineup would look w/ Bonds…. after all of the complaining about the need for a RH bat.
No Bonds. Everyone get real. He will be as cancerous as Ricky Henderson was as a player and a coach.
I think Bonds is one of the few people that righty-lefty makes no difference.
He is certainly a shell of his former self, but still commands respect. I voted against Bonds, mainly because I hate him. But it seems to make at least a little sense.
Bonds will be just as injury prone as the rest of our senior set, no thanks.
Not sure of the answer, but Endy/Pagan won’t get it done.
That is the one caviat of Bonds. Actually, that is one of the many. But lefty/righty isn’t an issue with him.
maybe…but between him, alou, and pagan I’m pretty sure we could throw someone out there every day.
Is Ricky available ;)
Rickey only play if Rickey hit leadoff. That just how Rickey roll.
the need on a rh bat is predicated on the idea that most lefties can’t hit lefties. Bonds can hit lefties.
Get real? the reality is that bonds would be worth 4-5 wins in half a season, and as far as the clubhouse goes: isn’t everyone already complaining?
well, more like 3, but still…
You may get 4-5 “wins” from his bat but how many “losses” are you going to get with his attitude, glove, mobility?
I say you’re lucky if they come out even-steven.
no, the wins expected include the offsetting defense (which is not much worse than Alou’s, while his bat is better). As for his attitude, I think its potential effect is overrated. Of course I don’t know that for sure, but neither can one be sure the other way. Like I said elsewhere, there’s always some sort of controversy brewing here in NY, and it’s usually something ridiculous. So let’s give everyone a big fat target, and win more games to boot! C’mon, it’ll be fun!
Handedness is so overrated. Look at the Mets record vs. lefties and righties.
what did happen to green, and why didn’t the mets resign him, he wasn’t bad at all last year!
I think Ryan Church was seen as an upgrade…and rightfully so.
He retired because he only wanted to play within driving distance of home, which to him is LA, and no team close enough wanted him.
I think he only came out with that statement to save face after it was clear that he wasn’t gonna be invited to any spring training camps. I agree, he was an asset and would be a good role player in this case, with minimal disruption to the team since they know him already and far less $$$ than Bonds and no cost in prospects.
How come that every time a player that is in Florida needs an MRI they have to fly to New York? Are MRI’s illegal in Florida? I understand that there is probably some super Doctor in New York that they want to examine him, but there must be 1000 MRI machines in Florida that they could email the images up to New York with.
This story has been going on for days because you can’t get an MRI in Florida.
There are, but they’re all being used by guys named sid and larry who pulled a hammy playing shuffle board in Del Boca Vista (Phase II)
I would actually assume that there are probably more MRI machines in FL than NY. This probably has something to do with insurance – they’re not going to fly him out here for no reason. If they’re putting him on DL, their carrier must have demanded an examination/MRI by their physician….
There are no hospitals in Florida.
It’s probably part of the team’s contract with the HSS.
El Duque and Alou collide in the locker room while reaching for the Ben Gay.
I’m starting to think Jeff Wilpon owns stock in an protective boot company…
What prospects do we have that are good enough to get nady.
Humber, Carlos Gomez, and Deolis Guerra.
WTF is wrong w/ Alou???!!!
Yeah, I know the answer, just had to vent. Un-F-ing-Nerving!
I’ll take the spot till alou gets back
Can we clone Ryan Church?
Not until Hillary or Obama is elected.
Not to be redundant, but we could have gotten Dan Johnson for free. Omar seems to be relying to much on his Injury Brigade to come back and reinforce the club.
Agreed…Omar needs to stop depending on these injured veterans…..the only reason he is still hoping is the fact that they have expensive contract commitments for this year….spending the wilpons money for nothing! Not good omar…….
What else can go wrong with this team?
This has to be the most injured Mets team of all-time!
Well, fire can spread through Shea, destroying the upper deck. As a result, the loud obnoxious booing fans all seat on the field level, and Delgado finally hears EXACTLY what the people in the stands are saying. After hearing some inappropriate remarks about his wife he throws his bat at the fan and rushes the stands. As good teammates, Wright and Reyes follow him and wind up kicking the crap out of 3 14-year olds with dirty mouths. They are all arrested and sued for assaulting a minor. The Mets reluctantly sign Piazza to play first base, Edgardo Alfonso to play third, and Damion Easley plays the remainder of the year at SS. The Mets end the season 59-103 amidst “bring back Bobby V” signs…
Um, what?
*SIGH* Wishful thinking! LOL
Ah, but that wouldn’t be so bad. We would have a good draft pick and just need to win a majority of those games against Atlanta because we have their pick too.
Ah, the silver lining.
Quite creative but I like the Piazza move!
Look guys, I do not know who among you actually voted to trade prospects for Nady but you should have your brain checked. And I happen to like Nady as a solid player.
We got an old guy getting an MRI today, another in Florida who we hope may throw off flat ground (whoopee, for 10s of millions), another a first base, another behind the plate, a few on the bench.
Can we please just play with who we have and keep a couple of our own young guys? Maybe that would be exciting to see again one day, as it was to watch Wright come up.
If the Mets cannot win with the current lineup and starting rotation in the NL East, then shame on them.
Play Pagan and Chavez.
I second that!
I support Chavez and Pagan starting also, but would you do Heilman for Nady?
I would do Heilman for Nady…However, does Pittsburgh really want Heilman? If they are willing to start Heilman and deal with his constant inconsistencies, then by all means do it. But honestly, I think they want more than just Heilman.
I wouldn’t do Heilman or Nady. Gross!
Why not? Heilman wants to start. And, he’s been inconsistent. I wouldn’t mind bidding adieu to him. His value significantly dropped since 07. His value dropped a bit from the 06 NLCS. Although, I believe that one pitch to Molina psychologically affected him. The Mets may need an outfilder/1B. If Pitt wants him…good riddance.
Nevermind Ollie…I picked up the joke! LOL… Damn, I can’t believe I didn’t see that…Not only do I sell hair products, but am I gay, too? LOL
For as much as Heilman drives me nuts sometimes, no, I would not trade him for Nady. I can’t justify trading pitching for an average position player — and I am obsessed with average position players (wrote Agbayani a letter years ago when he was in the Royals farm and requested he sign my scorecard of the 13-inning game against SanFran in the playoffs — his HR to win — and he did. My most cherished possession. Ha.)
It’s not like we would be acquiring a 35 year old in Nady. The guy is 29 years old, just in his prime, and can flat out hit. He (or the lack of) is the reason we didn’t get to the WS in 2006, and may be the only thing to help this team into the playoffs this year. You platoon Pagan and Chavez the entire year and the Mets don’t make the playoffs, then what? If the Milledge trade was about “winning now” than that’s the mentality you have to have. You can’t say “we traded Milledge to go for it in 2008″ but at the same time not want to make a trade to bring in a guy who will surely help the team. There’s no one in the minors besides FMart who’s anywhere close to being ready, so if there’s a chance to hold on to FMart and make a move, that’s what needs to be done. If there’s anyone out there who can be had and who will dramatically change the lineup, it’s Nady.
Great minds….
Comment by Ollie Ollie Oxen Free
2008-04-29 15:14:01
Carp is regarded as a marginal prospect. It’s not like Nady is 35 years old.
Niese looks like a nice left handed pitcher, but Nady has proven he can be a solid hitter for this team. I’m saying I would do it.
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Yeah, LOL, I went back and checked his numbers, thought for a minute, checked out our top prospects, their numbers, checked MLBTR to see what 1B/OF guys are out there (and there isn’t anyone else I would throw anything other than a PTBNL at), thought about the Mets’ mindset coming into the season, and realized that getting Nady is the only logical solution, aside from Delgado catching fire and hitting .300 again…
Why can’t Pagan be included – if the Mets gave up one of the three AA guys and Pagan – 1) shouldn’t that get it done (assume Pitt doesn’t want a pitcher) and 2) wouldn’t the mets certainly be better with Nady than pagan manning LF on a regular basis – if Alou comes back (a big if) Nady gets ABs at LF, RF and IB and becomes an everydayer at IB or LF next year. I think that deal would make a ton of sense from the Mets side.
Your logic is foolish.
When did Nady become a flat out hitter.
Nady will do no more for the team than the combo of Pagan and Chavez — or just Pagan, for that matter. Nady will not dramatically change anything. Millege wasn’t a “win now” proposition. It was a get-rid-of-a-talented-but-mentally-deficient proposition.
My logic is not foolish. Nady is a .322 career hitter against lefties and bats .365 in his team’s wins for his career. That’s what I define a person who can flat out hit. And this year, he’s obviously hitting his prime, so if there was a time to pick him up it is now. To think that the tandem of Pagan and Chavez, let alone Pagan alone (a career .236 hitter against LHP) will have anywhere near an impact on the lineup as he is quite ridiculous and totally dumbfounded.
The justification that we got for trading Milledge was not “get-rid-of-a-talented-but-mentally-deficient proposition” but “address-needs-that-the-team-has-right-now” – which was RF and C and the team did that for 2008.
While my logic at times may be lacking, your is simply none-existent.
Aside from F-mart, are there any good OF’s in our system?
Here’s a solution that wouldn’t cost any players– Reggie Sanders. My quick research says he’s not playing and is in fact broadcasting for the D’Backs, so I don’t know if he’s retired. But he always had some pop and could play.
Since that is somewhat questionable, I would, in the alternative, hold on to what we’ve got (Nady wasn’t anything spectacular while here, just solid and not worth high prospects) and see if maybe one of our AA guys may be ready the second half if need be. Or, others could become available as of July. (This is a very odd suggestion, but if the Phillies are not in contention near the trading deadline, they might be open to trading Pat Burrell, an impending free agent who they will likely not re-sign. Lot of “ifs” there, but he hits so well at Shea. I never liked him, though, and we have a certain closer who doesn’t either…)
BONDS. Let him alternate play with Pagan until Alou comes back.
Imagine the lineup for the WS when they play away:
Reyes
Castillo
Wright
Beltran
Bonds
Alou
Delgado
Church
Schneider
Give it a rest with the Bonds stuff. He’s not going to play anymore.
Yeah but he can’t run and he’s a media circus. Plus they don’t make mets hats that big, LOOK AT MR MET HE LOOKS ABSURD! It’s horrible.
Neither is Alou. That lineup is a dream if you’re getting everyone in their prime. Did you consider that when batting Bonds-Alou-Delgado you’re putting the 3 slowest players on the team batting 5-6-7. That will kill more rallies than it will start…
Yeah, ’tis true.
Bonds would have a stat line something close to .000/1.000/.000 since he’d always be intentionally walked to set up the inevitable double play from one of the next two hitters.
so put bonds in the cleanup and hit beltran behind him. mmm…runs…
And protecting Beltran is again Delgado. Now you put a slow high OBP guy in front of Beltran with no protection…
why not church behind beltran?
I would consider trading the Mets to prospects in the right deal. The Mets have a long history of overvaluing their prospects (Alex Ochoa, David West, even Gregg Jeffries, etc.).
I like Fernando Martinez, and I know what the scouts say. But he’s a good 2 years away from even the possibility of contributing heavily to the Mets.
Before the season started I suggested the Mets put together a package that includes some combination of the following:
Fernando Martinez, Ryan Churgh, Aaron Heilman, and other prospects (except for Niese) for:
Xavier Nady AND Jason Bay
Now that Church seems to be doing pretty well, I’m reluctant to give him up in a deal that would include two righty bats, featuring one (Bay) that plays the game with the same lack of passion as most of the Mets roster.
But that WOULD give the Mets a pretty good hitting outfield, assuming Beltran ever gets it going (no sure thing).
Nady will never be great, but he is steady and in his short stint with the Mets he impressed a lot of fans.
Xavier Nady and
Getting Bonds makes the most sense out of all the above listed options. First, it only costs money. Second, it doesn’t tie up the lineup or 40-man roster for 2009. Bonds comes in for 2008 then goes. Third, he is the best hitter available and has great at bats and a tremendous OBP. Fourth, his defense is not much worse than Alou’s. You make Bonds play deep and keep the ball in front of him. Beltran and Church can slide left to protect the gap.
If Bonds comes to the Mets it is to win the World Series this year, the one thing Bonds hasn’t done in the game yet.
Also I doubt Omar will trade prospects to get Nady because that will in effect undo one of his greates coups, the Oliver Perez trade.
Man, Alou could injure himself simply brushing his teeth. This guy needs to take some calcium supplements or something.
Bring back Bruce Boisclair. Put him in LF.
Call me crazy amd I never would EVER have thought I would say this but I actually think baased on watching this team so far, that Barry Bonds could be a very interesting addition…
Great OBP, crappy fielder (but so is Alou), could make everyone around him in the lineup better…
And the team is not BASED on him… This team is Reyes and Wright’s… In SF, the team was Barroid’s…
…and there was NOBODY in that SF lineup who could hit. Bonds would have to be pitched to in this lineup. I think it’d be a blast having barry for the year. There’s already a daily controversy because of the market; why not throw another log on the fire?…and win more games, too. Fun for everybody!
alou is back with the mets on friday
Do you think the mets will honestly consider resigning Shawn Green?? I think it would be a good move since he can handle first base rather well. Even though he preferred L.A., I think he would have come back to NY if the mets wanted him. I think out of any player the collapse bothered him the most! He was probably eager to help the Mets if they were willing to give him a shot. He had a very good season in 07 other then the bump in the road he hit after he broke his foot. Is there any chance we will see him in a met uniform again!??!
according to adam rubins blog…no fracture for alou…he’s back friday in az so…hopefully this is a non-issue.
Finally, some positive news.
I thought I heard yesterday that he thought he could play with it but the Mets insisted he return to NY for the MRI. Maybe he never thought it was a big deal.
I think he has a big trickle-down effect on the lineup – assuming he can stay in it.
agreed
I do not know if anyone mentioned this but, why not throw Fernando Martinez out there and see what happens? He played extremely well during spring training and hit really well. Give the kid a try or keep Pagan out there. Do not trade prospects again. Grow the farm.