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According to the Daily News, Nelson Figueroa will be skipped in the rotation on Sunday, in favor of Johan Santana.
Due to yesterday’s rainout, the following will likely be the team’s rotation over the next few days:
Tuesday: Johan Santana vs. Pirates
Wednesday: Oliver Perez vs. Pirates
Friday: John Maine at Arizona
Saturday: Mike Pelfrey at Arizona
Sunday: Johan Santana at Arizona
…that’s a shame, but i understand…it’s odd, because i find myself very confident in figueoroa, almost as much as any other pitcher on this team not named santana…
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right now, I think the answer is figueroa. he’s been the most consistent. I think over the next month or so, Maine will be the answer. Perez will always be hit or miss. Pelfrey is still developing. Figueroa seems to be a 5 or 6 inning guy that just pitches well enough to keep you in the game. if the offense gets some runs and the ‘pen could hold the lead, you feel pretty confident in a game that Figueroa pitches for now.
I still see him as a bullpen guy, like the role Sosa filled last year. when that day happens, it will make me happy because the rotation will be healthy, but it will be sad because Nelson has earned a s pot in the rotation.
If your projected rotation is correct, then it looks like Johan is lined up to start the first game of the Yankee series on May 16. If there are no more rainouts, of course.
Wait… I just saw the update that says Figgy will be skipped. That screws up everything. Never mind.
If this is correct, that means that it will be Johan Santana vs. Brandon Webb. That is, if nothing unforseable happens until than.
Makes the most sense as he has the most bullpen experience and could pitch an inning or two over the next few days before getting ready to start again
Excellent point. I was thinking they should definitely skip Big Pelf, but now I’m undecided…
Matt, the mets.com probable pitching site, which has been updated since I saw it last night, says:
Santana
Perez
Maine
Figueroa
TBA
Which would suggest it is the Pelf who is being skipped. Any ideas?
I would definitely skip Pelf over Figueroa. Fig has been a rock in this rotation, where Pelf has been more hit or miss.
I’d rather go with the steady horse in that spot. I still think Pelf needs a little more time developing in the minors.
They should have skipped Pelfrey’s spot in the rotation. Not only has he looked bad in his last two starts but the extra rest could help him. Figueroa has been the most consistent pitcher after Santana and should have gotten a start.
yea but too much rest can end up hurting a pitchers performance
particularly a sinker baller like Big Pelf. Too much rest and he’s too strong and his sinker ends up not sinking resulting in 5 innings of batting practice for the opposition.
In Pelfrey’s case, it’s strangely the opposite. On his last start, SNY showed his stats…he’s like 0-7 7 ERA on 4 days rest, and like 9-5 4 ERA on 5 days rest. Darling was surprised…
Yea, look at what happened to The Rockies in the World Series last year…
I don’t get the love affair with Maine over Perez. They are essentially the same pitcher to me. The biggest difference seems to be in their clunker starts Perez blows up in one inning while Maine labors the whole outing. The stats were roughly the same last season and both went 7 innings in 12 starts, while Maine failed to get out of the fifth in 14 starts, and Perez failed 8 times to go 6 innings. That makes 18 starts of 6 innings or more for Maine, 21 starts of 6 innings or more for Perez. I think Randolph is killing Perez by pulling him in spots where he is on the verge of getting out of the inning.
but like you stated above, perez IS known for blowing up in one inning. Willie i think just pulls him for precautionary reasons, to have the best possible senario to get out of the inning and keep his team in it. Thats the life of a manager i guess. Dammed if you do and dammed if you dont
I agree. Perez has the best stuff of anybody other than JS, probably including Pedro, but the kid is a loose cannon, which makes him incredibly unreliable. It’s not like he’ll have a rough month or rough game, but more like on any given batter he gets the tick (usually a call, a play, or something—anything that bugs him just a little), and then he’s wild, unpredictable, and often, downright awful. It usually hides itself in the early innings, and the guy has not given up many runs, but when that little bug finds him, it could mean turning to the pen in the fourth inning.
They ended up turning the game to the pen, before the 3rd in yesterdays game.
Because when Maine doesn’t have his best stuff, he stays after it, works with what he does have, and gets through a “gutty 5,” rather than going to pieces and having a solid four followed by a blowup inning.
Plus, when Maine has to get a “fourth out” due to an error or hustle play, he tends to lose control.
we need an edit function. I meant Perez in that last sentence.
Yes yes yes yes to edit function!
yes to edit function and yes to ur last sentence. perfect example 2day other than all the walks
People complained about Willie not letting Perez get out of that jam in the sixth his last start. That he should let Ollie pitch out of his own jams. Well in that start Willie let Perez pitch out of his jam in the fifth inning to the tune of 3 runs and a tie game. When he pitched himself into another jam in the sixth, he had to pull him to prevent another big inning. He doesnt pull him and he gives up another 3 runs, everybody would have been looking for his head asking why he didnt pull him when he saw he lost it in the fifth.
By the way, has anybody else notice that Ollie seems to be losing it every fifth inning of his starts? Zooms through four then hits the proverbial wall in the fifth.
yea it happens in the same exact spot in the game. Around the 5th inning he have the victor zambrano lost look on his face and next thing you know the other team has jumped back into the game. I understand the concept of leaving your guy in there to get out of his own mess, but this guy is capable of putting the game out of reach. I guess willie just wants to prevent it from going that far at the expense of the bullpen of course. Like i said before dammed if you do and dammed if you dont. I just hope this guys price tag isnt too high this offseason.
I prefer Maine to Ollie because Maine rarely gets pounded, whereas Ollie seems to lose concentration and have that bad inning far too often. But I think Pelfrey is the one who should get skipped - he seems to fall behind in the count to too many batters and labors to get through each inning with high pitch counts. Maybe one day he’ll be solid, but I have very little confidence in him.
If I’m going to skip anyone it would be Fig. He has been ok…and I stress OK. Pelfrey is having a better start this year. That good start need consistent building on. Fig is a veteran pitcher who I’m sure wants that ball, but will understand.
I think the two off days this weeks is a good opportunity to reset the rotation. I would like to see in this order:
Santana-Maine-Perez-Pelfrey
It’s still early and it can be done.
THANK YOU! I was wondering when someone would say it. John Maine is a good choice for a number 2 starter, I was shocked when they moved up Perez instead of Maine.
I was just thinking yesterday that it would be a great idea to move Johan up to pitch Sunday against a tough D’backs team. I remember thinking that Willie is probably not savoy enough to do so. I remember thinking that Pelfrey should obviously be skipped because Figueroa has been so solid. Well Wille took a great idea and screwed it up. Anyone who has watched Pelfrey’s last three starts and Figueroa’s last three starts would know who should be skipped. I would think that it would be a pretty easy desicion but I guess with Willie anything is possible.
I was hoping Perez would get bumped, but it was not a realistic hope. I don’t like Perez following Santana in the rotation, because to the opposing teams Ollie might seem like “less-of-the-same” after Johan–another lefty with a similar arm angle and release point, but without Santana’s command and that great changeup.
I guess the team has good reasons for arranging things like they have, but I’d rather see a righty between the two in the rotation.
I totally agree.
agree. OP after Johan makes it much easier for the opponent to hit Ollie after seeing Johan’s stuff all day the day before effectively cancelling out all of Johan’s wins.
Santana, Maine, Perez, Figgy, the Pelf.
I really like how Figgy pitches using a lot of combinations of slide steps, arm angles and timing to keep the hitters off balance.
I dont know. When Johan starts, the bullpen gets some rest so it will be ready the next day for Ollie’s 5 inning start. In that respect, it seems smart to me.
thats a good point. I would have much rathered a L,R,L,R,L rotation but maine is not really going deep into games as we would have thought coming out of ST and the bullpen gets more rest after johan. The plan was to have martinez after santana and based of martinez assesment of his health(lol) that would have bought the bullpen even more rest. Hopefully that will be the case whenever martinez comes back.
Agreed, but I think if Martinez ever comes back, he should be put in the number 3 spot, because the pen gets rest when Santana starts, than Maine goes as gives a good or bad game, so then they go to the pen. Then when Martinez goes in the 3rd spot, they pen gets rested again. It makes sense to me.
I think WIlly is trying to build up Pefrey’s confidence, he is much more fragile. Figgy can handle being skipped, guy has been dumped on for much of his career anyway…
I agree with this decision…the D’Backs series will be tough and we should want our no. 1 guy going in one of the games.
Anyone have any idea who he’s potentially going against?
according to espn…
its going to be maine v Owings on fri
Pelf vs Webb Sat
Santana vs Haren Sunday
Thats a fun weekend, WOW!
…but according to Mets.com, a little more reliable than ESPN or the Daily News when it comes to who will be pitching, its Figgy vs Webb Sat. It should also be recalled that historically, the Mets seem to do very well against “great” pitchers (Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux, etc.). It’s the rookies that they’ve never seen before that gives them trouble.
Exactly. Figgy is slated to start against Webb, so if they skip him and put in Santana, it would be Santana vs. Webb. I will be expecting a good game.
I would skip Pelfrey because he pitches better on longer rest. or I would push Perez back to tuesday because it splits up the lefties.
I like seeing Santana moved ahead of the number 5 starter, he should pitch on 4 days rest more often when chances like this come up.
but Figgy will have to be used on the west coast one way or another, they play six games in a row…
I assume they think he can adjust well to the extra rest.
I voted for Figueroa since I go by the question, “if my life depended on a pitcher HAVING to throw strikes.” The guy has been a rock, and unlike Maine, I think he has the experience not to implode in any inning.
Alright, we’ve won two straight, I’m hoping we take these two from the Pirates to have a little momentum heading to Arizona since they’re playing well, but we all know how awesome the Mets have played in Arizona the past few years.
Nelson Figueroa is capable of doing exceedingly well against any team on any day. He’s also due for a complete game since he had ten last year in the Mexican League. Yeah, it’s Mexico, but a complete game is a complete game. And in 2007, no pitcher in the majors or Triple A had more than five CG. And on Saturday, he’ll be pitching before his immediate family and lots of friends and neighbors since he lives just outside of Phoenix.