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…by the way, i’m done with this whole booing conversation…it is being perpetuated by the city’s talk-show hosts and elite columnists and i’m starting to think they are simply writing and talking at our expense to fill space, and i don’t understand why…
…look, the silver lining to this – and i would like to think the player’s know this deep down inside, though they may not – is that people boo, and cheer by the way, 
because we give a damn…seriously, no city cares more about winning like New York does…maybe Boston, but i still feel they’re second…i’m convinced of it…
…if other cities cared like New York, they would not tolerate 99 years without a ring – like Cubs fans, who still seem more interested in the idea of being a ‘long-suffering Cubs fan,’ than actually living and dying with the team…could you imagine how New York would sound if, like the Rays, one of the Mets or Yankees finished in last place during nine of the last 10 seasons…where are the endless stories from Tampa Bay about angry Rays fans…there are none…if the Mets and Yankees lost that much, it would sound like MSG, like with the Knicks, another team from New York with super-passionate fans…
…the people who are perpetuating the idea that all Mets are crazy all lost the ability to be a fan years ago…most all of these writers see the game as a story line, as they should, and, like it or not, you and i are now characters who have been cast as the villain…which is totally unfair, not to mention invalid…
Fact is, according to a poll on this site earlier today, despite being worried and frustrated, nearly 80 percent of this site’s readership still believe that the Mets will make the playoffs.
…in other words, we are not negative…we are not crazy…instead, we are passionate, some times to a fault…we want, believe and expect the Mets to win…and i welcome any host or reporter to tell me what is wrong with that…
Those Talk guys on Yes are still talking about. Im changing the channel. Talk Guys and some Paper people will still stir up stuff (i.e. delgado/booing, Piazza/Yankees) in order to get PTSD Met fans like myself to react.
Well said Matt…Forget those fools from the media who want to escalate the boo-ing. We are passionate.
here are two words for the brilliant ny sports media: tom coughlin.
Seriously. The worst part is that these reporters/hosts are practically encouraging us to react this way by the way they construct their articles or the fact they keep talking about it. Then they are villifying us!!!
They’re using us to do their jobs! They’re playin us!!
Sadistic geniuses.
i’m sorry, but you’re comparing our situation to the Rays? C’mon Matt, that makes no sense, they have absolutely no history down there, they’re still trying to even build a fan base they’re so new,and Florida ain’t exactly the hot bed of baseball in America. Either way, passion and booing is not the same thing. Booing when you players don’t hustle is ok, but booing when they’re slumping shows me ignorance, not passion. And what is this “not tolerate losing” thing? What does that mean? What are you saying, Met fans would boycott? The Cubs are who they are, and they’re fans are who they are, its a different mentality, they have a lot of passion for the game, but maybe they don’t take it as seriously as Ny’ers, i don’t know.
I’m not comparing it to the Rays. I’m saying, if we were the Rays, would we be as passive as those fans?
no, because we have a history, fandom and passion for a team is something that is acquired over years, and probably at some point has to include some winning. NY has a rich tradition of baseball, Florida doesn’t, so it makes sense that people in NY care more about baseball then in Florida. I’m not doubting Met fans are very passionate, believe me, I am, I just don’t see the correlation with booing. Makes no sense to me.
I dont know if Im reading this right but in some way your vindicating the booers. I am one of those booers and the way I see it passionate=emotion=boo. Im not saying that booing is the only way to show how passionate you are for the mets or in any way saying if you dont boo your not as passionate as I am. All im saying, and what Im reading from this post, is that we are New Yorkers and expect only the best. If that doesnt happen, then we use any way we can to express our frustration and not sit back and take it like Devil Ray fans
why do NY’ers “expect only the best” out of their sports teams? Only 1 team in NY has the championships to back that up, and that’s out of how many teams? Why do Mets fans expect that with our history? I’m just confused now… I also don’t understand what you think booing is accomplishing, besides saying, “hey, look at me, i’m a fan, the team sucks, look at me, i’m disapproving of this, look how important i think i am!”
we expect only the best cecuase we pay more for our players and to go to the game..its common sense..we were bad for so long and expectations now had fans thinking world series..booing accomplishes nothing only to the people that are doing it. It affect nobody but the booer so why would u care. if i want to boo and it makes me feel better by letting delgado know how bad he is then whats the problem? mabe he will turn it arounf mabe he wont..but im not going to sit there like a 5 yr old girl watching her brothers little league team like u r.. this is professional sports, stop crying over boos
i’m the one crying? you’re the one booing a professional, a man, a guy trying to do his best, a man that you actually WANT to do good, and you’re booing him? What exactly are you booing? his old age? his decling skills? What? And for you to think it doesn’t affect anyone but the booer is ignorant, would you enjoy being booed at your job? To think that booing, by the home team fans, the ones who are supposed to support you through the hard times, doesn’t affect the players, is asinine, its stupid.
Ill tell you why I boo Delgado..Heres a list
1. Hes Horrible
2. Never has a clutch hit/only get hits when the game is out of reach
3. can care less he hit 2 homeruns because that makes him 7 for his last 56 ABs
4. Getting paid $16 mil to play horrible defense and was in the rbi spot in the lineup to not drive in runs
All these reasons is why I boo. I dont boo Johan for pitching 7 strong innings and getting a lose, I dont boo beltran hitting into a DP. I boo Delgado in the hopes of him turning it around because nothing else is working. Either that or he falls off a cliff. Either one Id be happy. If I hear another booing at your job comment im gunna die. Gimme $16 mil to play a game for a living and u can throw knives at me if you want
You have a short memory, think 2006 post season.. He was a beast for us. For that I cut him slack… Now if you want to boo Heilman, Willy or ShoenWaste scream your lungs out…
I hope you do know that booing Delgado doesn’t make him do any better — in fact it makes him do worse. Why do you think his home splits are so much worse than his road splits the last few years?
Maybe if fans like you acted normally, the Mets would perform better at Shea, they’d have a real home field advantage and they wouldn’t have collapsed last year. Thanks a lot!
DK you are as bad as SPINK.
Booing Show or Heilman is going to make them do worse as well. Thanks for helping the home team do worse!
All I Boo is Delgado and Heilman because they dont have an ouch of clutch in them. When the going gets tough, they both crumble. I just cant sit back and watch. Can people honestly say when Delgado is up or Heilam is in the game to pitch your happy? Do you expect them to ever get it done. I dont anymore and its sad. I dont want them to play because I think they hurt the team more then help
“I boo Delgado in the hopes of him turning it around because nothing else is working”
ummm… what else have fans tried that hasnt worked. Sure when delgado was good in 06 nobody booed him but when hes obviously in a decline/slump i have not heard fans get behind him and encourage him. The only thing i see is that the booing has not helped. I do not think this guy or anyone on the mets for that matter is that horrible that they deserve to be booed. None of us can go out there right now and play 1b or hit a 95 mph fastball over the right field fence, but this guy has made a career of it.
I actually root for heilman to get sniped one of these days when he goes out there. Nobody would boo then id bet on it. Hes a cancer and the sole reason we lost game seven. I was there and it was solely on him. Anybody that thinks booing matters knows nothing about sports. Boston bood for 80 yrs more and louder then anybody. Finally they got good. Boos only come because of bad play. Not the other way around
When fans start to realize this, all this arguiong will be over. BOOS MEAN NOTHING. These are grown men, they faze the boos out and do there job. If they cant they dont deserve to play..Booing will never stop and Delgado will never be good again…facts of life, why cant people deal with it and move on
If you think Heilman is the sole reason they lost game 7, then you don’t understand baseball.
and you think boston got good because the fans were booing them for 80 years. Baseball is Cyclical, every team has its great years and has bad years. It took boston 80 years to assemble a team good enough to be WS champions. All i believe this thread is saying is booing is pointless. Yes you have the right to boo because you bought your ticket but how idiotic does it look to boo our star player or boo a position player who is having a bad Stretch then expect him to accept a curtain call. The media makes fun of us because the booing is obsurd. I think booing should be reserved for the opposing team, not your own. No matter how bad they are doing at the moment. And no heilman was NOT the sole reason we lost gm 7, thats just stupid.
Spink you make no sense. I take it you are also a grown man? If you are you should have more sense than what you’re posting here on this site. Take your boos and your fatalistic attitude someplace else.
If we were the Rays I think we would be passive. How many of the booing fans actually went to games in 2002 and 2003 when we were attrocious? You heard boos for the players that deserved to be booed. Although I’m sure Alomar and Vaughn did receive their fair share of boos.
I have to disagree…I am a die hard mets fan, with just as much passion as the next guy, but there is no doubt that the fans at shea seem to be falling into the football mentality. Perhaps becuase they paid to see the one game they expect a win or perhaps its because of last years collapse or the winning ways of the bombers, but to boo players for reasons other then hustle or mental errors (which should not be made at this level) seems completely ignorant.
Go to a cubs game at wrigley, or a Cards game in st loius and tell me they are not passionate. They have fun, they cheer their team on win or lose and we have lost that. Aaron Heilman has had a history with the gopher ball and a history of being one of the better releivers on our team and through his struggles we boo him. We even have the audacity to boo delgado after he hits 2 homeruns. If your last name isn’t wright your not safe.
I’ll say it again, after the yanks gave up 6 runs in one inning the other night they had a K to finish the half inning and there fans cheered, it wasn’t a mock cheer either. I was stunned.
This is our team, like it or not, CHEER for them or find a new one…my two cents.
The closest thing NY baseball has had to the Rays would be the Mets of the mid-60s.
I don’t believe those crowds were known for booing.
If you ask me, booing your own team other than for obvious lack of effort doesn’t show passion, it shows ignorance and boorishness.
right. Its one thing to be passionate and another thing to boo. Everyone knows NY is a passionate baseball town but where the media is focusing is the booing of players before they even pick up a bat or throw a ball. I do agree this booing thing has been overblown and unfortunatly i dont see it coming to an end unless people stop booing and get behind the team. Its unfortunate but hopefully they can have something to write about or talk about when we play today.
While I disagree with the media’s portrayal of our fan base, to say that Mets fans (or at least a portion of our fan base) are not negative is simply not true. Numerous trips to Shea Stadium over the past year and a half prove otherwise. For example, the relentless booing of Shoeneweis this season despite the fact that he has actually pitched well this season, is a joke if you believe that fans should try to encourage their team rather than turn on them.
The problem here is that the media (journalists and talk-show hosts alike) are trying to portray all Mets fans as being enraged maniacs. The reality is that, as a fan base, we are a little bit of everything. We’re knowledgeable and passionate about the Mets. Some of us are negative and will boo at the first sign of adversity. Some of us are optimistic and carry the “You Gotta Believe” spirit even when logic suggests otherwise. Some of us are resilient and bounce back from losses better than others. Some of us fly off the deep end when we lose a game to the Braves, Phillies or Yankees.
Finally, the curtain call uproar doesn’t shock me at all. The media knows that we are passionate and they exploit that fact. Mike and the Mad Dog, other media members and even Yankees fans have made a career out of insighting passionate Mets fans. As long as we continue to be the fish to their worm, they’ll continue to bait us.
HERE HERE! Excellent….
Let’s GO METS!
Thank you Matt. I think at the heart of it is alot of bitterness from last year. Up until that first inning of the last day of the season, we believed. Up until that last inning of the last day, we cheered. Us crazy fans were stuck with playoff tickets we would never use. We even went so far as to buy tickets for the Phillies play-in game. And then, just like that, in 1/3 of an inning, it was taken from us. Many of us didn’t have a chance to boo. Many of us were too shocked to boo. And still, many of us were too devastated (unlike our starting pitcher) to boo. And since for many, this season has a direct correlation to last year, its our chance for the healing. This team has showed us nothing different, so…you will hear them….booooo….
i believe most of the boos are from people that are not over last year. The media is not exactly helping us get over it either. I do believe the players are over it though and are trying to win ballgames not make a statement for the collapse last year. As we all witnessed its not how you start but rather how you finish.
We need to put last year to rest and support our team this year.
The media sucks, they’ll do anything to sell a paper. But they are right!!! We have been very hard on the team. It pains me to say but we are on our way to reaching the same level as philly fans.
There is a lot of baseball left and we should get behind these guys and believe in them, instead of waiting for them to fail.
Lets Go Mets! Lets Go Mets! Lets Go Mets
I agree about the media hyping the booing and magnifying it.
I disagree about NY fans being the most passionate. There are plenty of die hards, but mixed into the fan base are a lot of fair weather fans and corporate seat fillers.
But this is exactly Matt’s point. Fair weather fans and corporate seat fillers, as you call them, don’t boo because they don’t care. If you’re going to boo, you have to be passionate about the team.
I personally don’t boo but I understand the people who do. They want and expect their team to win and when the team loses they feel let down. I don’t think booing is the right response, but some people obviously do.
You don’t have to be passionate to boo. Being drunk is enough.
I’m sick of it too, i feel the same way about “Boo-Gate” as i did about the collapse a month ago; I’m over it, can we talk about something interesting.
I’m done with it too. Met fans are very passionate, and we are hurting from last year, that much is clear. For Chris Russo to judge Met fans is mean spirited and shows a lack of class.
How does Russo have a job?
Is there nothing else going on with baseball that this is what we are talking about. By writing about it, the whole booing conversation is perpetuated. We need to move on and never visit this conversation again.
gotta love how fatso and the dog re: david wrights lip reading, theyre like: ill give david wright the benefit of the doubt, but i do think he said something to delgado about the curtain call.
i dont understand why the mets allow fatso and russo to interview willie and their players. all they do is shed any kind of negative light on the mets, and all the major newspapers report on it, because they are all still infatuated with the duo.
i mean, would that billy wagner enter sandman fiasco have been anything if fatso and russo didnt talk about it for two weeks?
and have fatso and russo even mentioned that the mets took two out of three from the braves????
I know Wright is developing into the leader of this team, however, I highly doubt Wright is brazen enough to start giving Delgado advice. Delgado has been around for a long time putting up big numbers. I’m sure Wright is respected in the clubhouse, but I will take both of their words for it that they were talking about the at bat. I really don’t care what they were talking about actually.
please enough allready …….. joe dimaggio was booed , joe namath was booed ,piazza was booed…. it’s new york everyone gets booed sooner or later….. just win and it all stops..
as for the media … they sure as hell did there part ,ramming the collapse down our throats , and making sure to rehash each painful moment over and over … insuring the fan based was whipped into a frenzy … ready to turn on every overated / and over the hill choker on the team……
of course printing article after article about how finished delgado is…. and what a bad guy . non caring , going thru the motions ,not available after games..and arrogant…..
but of course now he’s a solid leader , great class guy, hard working , hero …. and all met fans rabid foaming irrational scum…..
I totally agree with this rant… even more so than my own previous rants…
Matt your comments were asinine at best.
Cards fans, Sox fans and all CHicago fans love their teams….WHICH IS WHY THEY DONT BOO….to sit there and say Mets fans boo because we care more is ludicrous. We boo because we are stupid, because we do not realize its baseball and you lose at least 60 games when you are an all-time elite team. We boo because of fantasy baseball and the team in the Bronx who stacks their lineup like its fantasy baseball.
I personally do NOT boo because it is idiotic to boo Delgado and then call for a curtain call…and then boo him again…you all look like f’in idiots and everyone in baseball thinks you are jokes and for the typical MEts fans inferiority complex…this is onyl makeing it worse when you get to watch or read national sports news and have them say how Yankee fans are great and Mets fans are jerks…you make us REAL fans look bad, REAL fans dont boo and call for soemone’s head every time you lose a game or make an error, grow up and become a fan of some other team as most of us dont want you around anymore. PERIOD.
You’ve got a point
absolutely agreed.
To say that Cubs fans don’t boo is one of the silliest things I’ve ever heard. Clearly, you have never been to Wrigley Field! LOL.
THE METS ARE WINNING….WHAT ARE YOU A MORON!!!!!!! I AM SORRY THEY DONT HAVE THE BEST APRIL RECORD OF ALL TIME BUT WITH 3 OF THEIR BEST PLAYERS AND BOTH CATCHERS ON THE DL IN APRIL AND TO HAVE A WINNING RECORD IS FLIPPING GREAT. SO THERE IS NO NEED TO BOO YOU GROW UP
redsox fans dont boo huh ???
as for the others …… cardinal fans are old women…… seriously ever see that crowd…..
cub fans are to drunk and busy signing ghey songs…..
and none of them hold the distinction of the historic collapse…….
redsox fans dont boo huh ???
as for the others …… cardinal fans are old women…… seriously ever see that crowd…..
and busy signing ghey songs…..
and none of them hold the distinction of the historic collapse…….
Remember that a lot of the booing still goes back to the 2006 playoffs. Losing to a less than mediocre Cards team.
Piece of sh*t Trachsel! Swing the bat Beltran! I’m still pissed!
See what I mean?
Ummm dont forget Heilman to Yadier…. BOOM
to wit….
Fuc*in’ Heliman!!!!
And I thought I couldn’t be any more pissed about the 2006 playoffs!
Wainwright threw a wicked curve to Beltran – that pitch would’ve got anyone.
Trachsel can’t be blamed either, he was out of his depth and everyone knew it.
I’m more pissed at Mota & Lo Duca for the Spezio at-bat in game 2… Mota’s an idiot for shaking off the changeup that made Spezio look stupid; Lo Duca’s an idiot for ever offering the fastball that Spezio had absolutely crushed foul the previous pitch.
Also, it’s rediculous to suggest that the Cards were obviously inferior when they went on to win the Series. They may have sucked during the regular season, but they were hot in October, which happens to be when the NLCS is played.
I realize goes beyond Mike and the Maddog, but maybe Mike and Chris are obsessed with booing Met fans because they were booed so soundly two years ago when they appeared on the jumbotron as they did the color and play by play for that Mets-Phillies game.
Truthfully, they know fans are passionate on both sides of the argument and it will generate a ton of calls. They’re on Day 3 with this “story” because it makes their jobs easier.
oh, most definitely. i just wanted to point out that they got booed too. i don’t think they took it personally; in fact, i think that they probably kind of relished it.
You know what I’m sick of hearing?
People who say, “I boo Delgado because he wouldn’t stand up for the National Anthem.”
I must hear that at least five times a day now.
Too bad that wasn’t what happened, and besides, where were those boo-birds in 2006?
Those are people who really are just booing for the sake of making noise, because they can’t even keep their stories straight.
I got this from a thread on Espn.com. I think this guy says it best and I agree with what he is saying!!
I think there is another side to this, and in NY, a curtain call is given out very often. And it is the players job to come to that. Remember last year (two years ago?) when Beltran was getting booed for non-performance, and he had a huge game and refused to come out. Julio Franco (and old school guy) went over to Beltran and encouraged him to go out for the call.
We are missing this bigger picture here: there is very little excitement in Flushing. I do not mean there is nothing good to watch, or nothing worthwhile. The Mets are a bland team, aside from Reyes starting to “act up” again. Curtain calls are not just for the player who hit the ball. They are a way to get the entire team jazed up, something sorely needed @ Shea.
That being said: this really was a non-issue to discuss, the results of a slow media day. We should be concerned with the fact that we have no “clubhouse” leader on this team, and very little fire and guts. Look @ ‘86. Players had a gutsy, balls to the wall attitude. There was fire. There was chemistry. There was passion. Now we simply have 25 individuals (aside from Reyes and maybe Wright) who wear the same uniform, which appears to be today’s definition of a team.
I’d like to see more passion and fire. But what do I know? I am prolly the only person in the world who liked Lasting Milledge high fiving fans (not a L.M fan tho) after hitting a big home run. I think baseball NY baseball needs more of that.
“Passion” seems to me a flimsy excuse for the poor behavior of a significant portion of the fan base. Seems to me the booing is not a result of passion but more a product of an irrational, immature, unthinking knee-jerk mentality.
Some of us who don’t boo are as passionate as anyone. But common sense, civility and a sense of decency dictate that it’s wrong to boo players who try their best.
For once I’m glad the media is skewering Mets fans. The booing can be horrible and embarrassing such as that directed at Santana on opening day. Maybe the criticism from the media won’t lessen it, but perhaps it lets the players know that not all of NY is OK with the senseless booing.
i think you hit it right on the head, the booing is immature. After a game i went to, where heilman was booed before he even threw a pitch, i heard a bunch of fans on the way out laughing about it, how funny it was that they booed heilman.
darkstar, I disagree with you on many things. But I agree with all your posts on the inanity of the booing. The booing sometimes makes me sad to be a Mets fan. I can’t remember the booing ever being this bad. It certainly has taken away a little from the joy of winning when they do win.
I don’t know where this immaturity and spoiled brat behavior came from. Maybe it’s generational. Something about the ME generation growing up in NY. Whatever it is, I really don’t like it and it’s the saddest part about being a Mets fan now.
mota like to act all ruff and tuff….. moron idiot……. etc..
an over emotinal tool … who think he’s calling names is good debate…….
it’s a moron who cant debate his point in a rational and gentlemanly way….. so who’s the moron ?
the emotinal basket case … barking and screaming and shouting his point .. or the guy who wants to openly debate a public point….
anyone who gets all worked up like a raving lon and resorts to name calling on a message board …. is no doubt the same irrational loudmoth at the stadium…
Apparently you think name calling is good debate since you do it all the time.
Also, it’s a bad idea to be throwing the word ‘moron’ about when you can’t spell, type, or construct a sentence.
ive said it before, and i will say it again…
lose, and you get booed more then anywhere else in the world.
win, and you get cheered more then anywhere else in the world.
raving loon…… excuse me…..
Its not so much the booing, its when the booing occurs.
There are a contingent of fans who boo EVERYTHING now. Santana, Figgy on Sunday after he gave up a couple of runs in the 6th, anything less than perfection in a game where failure is routine is unacceptable to them.
It is worse than it ever was, I won’t get into why. For this contingent of fans, it is not passion it is some sort of mental illness.
Eh, I have a theory on why, but I’d be better off keeping it to myself. That’s something maybe for another day. But it is worse than it ever was, and not just during the game.
Its simple math.
Win = Cheer & Joy
Loss = Boo & Not much happiness
While I don’t boo at games, I certainly criticize every play that I feel wasn’t executed properly (we’re all managers, right?). On the flip side, I always rave about the smart or spectacular plays.
So far this year, I have been doing more criticizing then raving.
We’re passionate. We care. If you win, its the best city in the world to play for. If you don’t, you are just as quickly reminded you need to step it up and perform.
Its not like we have a rag tag bunch of Bad News Bears out there. If that was the case, and the players played their hearts out, but just were not as good as their competitors, there would be no boos at all. There would actually be a lot of cheers in regards to appreciating how hard they are working. The fact is that this team gets paid alot of money to produce, and has not consistently done so yet this year.
Its on the players shoulders to produce, its only Willie’s shoulders to manage and keep them focused. Not sure there is one particular culprit here to single out.
It’s not that simple, since there are still plenty of boos when we’re leading games that we go on to win.
my favorite part of the whole media/vocal minority of mets fans created drama is that the same people who said the mets were basically a .500 team starting from may 2007 argue that the team collapsed in september.
if they were a .500 team for 5 months…how did they collapse? that’s the slowest, longest collapse in the history.
witnessing the collapse…… knowing our fans, who booed piazza a week into his met days….. knowing our over aggressive new york media….. knowing our fan base who instantly call other fans idiots and morons…….
did anyone really expect different……..??? if the mets didnt come out of the gate hot………
if ya didnt …. are ya really from new york……. or just jump on in 06′
Do you think that booing every player and play b/c the team hasn’t gotten off to a hot start is rational? regardless of if your from NY or not
So to be irrational means you were a fan pre-2006?
your taking it wrong …. i’m saying ..ya had to see , that if everthing didnt break perfect …. this was gonna happen , everysingle move these guys make was gonna be anyalized …. i’m not making a statement of right or wrong ….. just that it’s being overblowin from everysingle angle possible…… even defending the players now will be overdone…….
win some games , play a few good weeks of ball…. dont get caught up in this fan sucks that fan sucks….. and it all blows away….
I agree with you, win a few series and play solid ball and all will be ok.
my frustration stems from that its a long season and the fans, as a 10th man, have been hurting not helping the team. We can be part of the problem or try to be part of the solution
My personal opinion. even though its ok to boo whatever you choose the only thing that really merits it is when a player half-asses it. Which is what alot of these players did last year. But its a new year, we got an ace. lets get behind the team and hope
Can you please stop using so many damn …………………………(periods) it’s very annoying to read.
Exactly…I don’t understand the big deal being made out of mets fans booing….We have a right to boo after the collapse and uncaring attitude delgado displayed last year being bored etc…Look on the bright side, if this keeps up, I don’t think the wilpons will like the idea of delgado dissing the fan base that pays big bucks to support the team!!! Delgado will be gone next year when the fans booing him will still be paying to support the team and citifield so keep on being a wise ass delgado and you will be outta here!!!!
Delgado’s not coming back regardless — unless he goes on some unprecedented tear.
So why make his performance during his last season at Shea worse? It only hurts the team. That’s what I can’t understand. How some fans fail to see how the booing makes the players perform worse.
Some of you say you boo because you want to win. But the booing is likely to make it only more probable that they lose. Smarten up.
Delgado will be gone but then you ignorant fans will boo somebody else relentlessly b/c that’s all you want to do. You would rather boo than cheer and that’s sad. Go be a Yankees fan if that’s the case.
it is worse than ever……… a clear by-product of the collapse…..
and so castles made of sand melt into the sea ..eventually…
no it’s not rational….. but if in any year ,you were looking for rational…… a ball park wouldnt be the place to look….
Just look at what they put in the hot dogs
it’s like when ya go to a game and the pitcher loads the bases in the 2nd inning and the pack behind ya start screaming …”take him out willie”
Not a proponent of booing but beyond that I think this whole Delgado thing is silly.
There is nothing more I would love to see than him get a standing ovation tonight and move on. I really don’t think he was trying to slight the fans.
I would like to see it for no other reason than to shut up the Fat Yankee Fan.
I don’t boo our team often, but I understand most of it and it has always showed we care and expect alot from our players, thats all fine. Again, it appears more irrational this year than usual. And if it is because of last september, we should get over it already. Ancient history.
do you think fans … posting in frantic caps lock style calling other mets fans idiots and morons ..is rational……. or continuing the cycle of irrational behavior the media whipped up..?
i’m not a booer…… but my guess is .. name calling and frantic “my way is the right way ” posting …. insures it stays at a childish level and real debate and real answer and actions get pushed aside..
To put my nerd hat on for a moment: To me this all come down to whether booing creates a positive or negative effect.
If the “desired” outcome of booing is to vocalize your displeasure at the players/teams performance in order to stimulate some kind of positive response (e.g. motivating the team to improve) and the “actual” outcome of booing causes the players to become even further distracted and to “press” (after all, he’s trying to git a 90 MPH fastball, the last thing he needs is more distraction), than booing is completelty counter productive. Booing actually causes the slump to continue.
Now if the player seems unmotivated to improve and fails to run out a grounder, or makes a mental error while running the bases, then the desired outcome and the actual outcome are probably more in line.
Basically, as fans we’re hurting the team if we boo a player for going into an extended slump, not helping. For this reason, I say be a little more conservative in who and what you boo.
And with that you’ve given us the
Take Home Message
Basically, use your Boo-Filter.
Yeah, for another analogy… booing a slumping batter is basically like standing up, shouting, and being otherwise distracting, when your home team is taking foul shots from the line in basketball.
simply put ….. we’re drawing attention to thier booing … and giving them just what they want……. a platform for thier silly behavior…… we all know that they dont represent most of the us fans…..
This is a good point, this minority will likely respond to the media frenzy. Fatso & Fruit Loop have been whipping them up the last few days and would love nothing more than additional fodder for what has been steadily becoming 5 hours of bad radio. They have their villain now in Delgado, as if he didn’t have enough problems.
Weather seems to be clearing here, anxious for some baseball tonight.
Lets Go Mets!
I have a very sad feeling that there will be more booing tonight than there would have been without all of this attention. At least some of those fans are booing because they like to boo. We’ve all been stuck near that “hey everyone, look at me!” type of fan. That kind of fan is loving every minute of this, because it’s somehow become a bigger story than the Mets taking 2 of 3 from the Braves and beating Hudson and Smoltz. That kind of fan can’t wait to get back out there tonight and see how much more life this story might have.
I’ll try to drown them out with cheers. It’s all I can do.
i dont believe so much in the power of the crowd ….
if that was so jesse owens wouldnt have blown past the nazi sprinters….
mets would never have lost after chavey ’s catch…
and no way gooden gets rocked by scoisia .. amongst the defining cheers and waving white towels…….
what will be will be and fan noise has little to do with it….
so have faith in the men on the field ……. at least as much faith as you put in the ya hoo’s in the stands….
if ya have faith in them ….. then no boo’s will stop em just like it didnt stop mike piazza…
I think Wagner said it best when he mentioned that the boos are to be expected at times but that lately, the booing has become almost malicious.
I boo bad performances.
I boo poor execution.
I boo when I’m upset.
I boo poor effort.
I boo John Rocker.
I boo Chipper Jones.
I boo everyone who tells me (now and last year when this same topic came up) that I’m “ignorant”, or “not a real fan”, or “insecure”, or “a moron”, or “bitter” because I boo.
I am passionate.
I am still upset with last year.
I still think Willie should have been fired.
I do think if the players are upset they should go play somewhere else.
I do want the team to win.
I will still be at Shea 20-30 times this year giving the team my hard earned money, and cheering when they win.
As for Delgado, take your curtain call! It’s entertainment. You entertained the crowd, they acknowledged you, the least you could do is acknowledge them.
(Why does the 25 year old on the team have a better grasp of all of this than the ‘veteran’ leaders? Maybe because he’s always been a Mets fan.)
And another thing… David Wright WAS booed last year. So everybody saying he’s untouchable needs to check their facts.
Repeat of what I wrote above.
To put my nerd hat on for a moment: To me this all come down to whether booing creates a positive or negative effect.
If the “desired” outcome of booing is to vocalize your displeasure at the players/teams performance in order to stimulate some kind of positive response (e.g. motivating the team to improve) and the “actual” outcome of booing causes the players to become even further distracted and to “press” (after all, he’s trying to git a 90 MPH fastball, the last thing he needs is more distraction), than booing is completelty counter productive. Booing actually causes the slump to continue.
Now if the player seems unmotivated to improve and fails to run out a grounder, or makes a mental error while running the bases, then the desired outcome and the actual outcome are probably more in line.
Basically, as fans we’re hurting the team if we boo a player for going into an extended slump, not helping. For this reason, I say be a little more conservative in who and what you boo.
Basically, if you REALLY want them team to win, Booing is going to have the opposite effect of what you want. Passion or not, we all want the same thing, our team to win. If we all stopped booing players when they go into slumps, maybe they’ll come out of them a day sooner, maybe that will translate into one more win, maybe that one win would have put us in the playoffs last year.
Show me one conclusive stat that cheering or booing effects the outcome of any baseball game.
And if Delgado was actually working on getting out of a slump, maybe he’d drop down a bunt when they put that ridiculous shift.
Or maybe Willie wouldn’t put him up as a pinch hitter, swinging for the fences, when we’re down by four and need baserunners.
I bet he’d get cheers then.
OK, I’m going to get super nerdy here. I don’t have stats specifically on baseball, but I do have information on the Reticular Activating System. Basically this is an area of the brain that keeps us in a conscious state and it also regaulates how many things we can focus on at one time. There have been studies that show how many things someone can focus on at once and the negative effects of distraction both at a behavioral and emotional level.
Basically it translates to, if someone has too much on their mind, or there is too much stimuli for the brain to take (sights, sounds, smells, etc.), it makes it exponentially more difficult to concentrate. This is why some people faint when over stimulated. The brain shuts down their consciuous state.
If you take my example with baseball, the player has enough to concentrate on (his swing, ambient noise, the pitcher, the count, who’s on base etc.) to have to deal with or think aboutt the emotional effects of his home team booing him. Ideally he would be able to “shut it out” but sadly as much as we like to think that’s possible and have perceptions of what a professional ball player should and shouldn’t be able to focus on, we can’t consciously tune things out.
Anyway, just a hypothesis as it relates to baseball, but a reasonable one I think.
i’ll tell ya it’s a good thing jackie robinson was deaf…. he would have never made the bigs let alone the hall of fame……
he’d probably have sulked and cried in some dugout in iowa…..
being booed for your performance……… ehhh
being bood for the way you were born…… now thats a mountain…..
tuffen up cupcakes……..
Everyone should watch Ken Burns’ Baseball documentary and HBO’s Ghosts of Flatbush to learn how real fans operate. Even that old Mets documentary An Amazin’ Era. There’s a magic apparent in the times these programs document that is gone now. The tone of the ballpark now is much different from the tone I experienced as a child. Baseball is about more than winning. It’s about more than good statistics (and this is coming from an ardent SABRgeek). It is about community. This sense of community is lost, overtaken by the sense that the game is only a business, a source of entertainment, and outlet for fanatical expression. To us real fans, the Mets should be about more than just the Won-Loss column and blue-and-orange laundry.
Can you type that again, in the voice of James Earl Jones from Field of Dreams?
That “community” in Flatbush did so much good, they moved to the West Coast to find another one…
Things have changed, yearning for something that was never as magical as people like to think it was, does nothing.
The Dodgers leaving Brooklyn had a lot to do with money and Robert Moses and very little to do with the fanbase.
right………… which goes to show ya, it is about big biz…
and not a romantic idea of community….
Many have explained to me the seismic social and economic changes that separate us from the Good Old Days of the Boys of Summer, when fans went to church and prayed for Gil Hodges during his ‘52-’53 slump.
I hear why some people feel they paid their money, and have the right to boo.
But how does it actually help? It certainly doesn’t help the player do better. Perhaps it makes people feel a little better, but the impression it leaves of the fans is really just awful. We wouldn’t have been talking about it all these days if it looked great. It makes Mets fans look bad.
how do you know it helps or dosent help……???
how do ya know ,no player ever got pissed off and went on a tear….?
or how do ya know ??? is there a study…..?
If the fans think just because they’re paying through their eyes for their gold and silver tickets and only getting pale gray results they should stay home. This way the players don’t get upset, that should make the players happier to play in NY.
One other thing, these writers crack me up if they had to pay to see this garbage like the hard working fans do maybe they’d see things differently. The poor baby is upset. Fans paying their hard earned money who if they don’t do their jobs or only do them half assed get fired from their 50 grand jobs. And these millionaires get upset becaused they’d boo’ed. Aw , the poor boys….get real and do your damn jobs.
could you imagine how New York would sound if, like the Rays, one of the Mets or Yankees finished in last place during nine of the last 10 seasons…
Sounds familiar…How about finishing in last place 5 out of 6 years (’62-’67), 4 out of 7 (’77-’83 – the other three years during that span they finished 5th out of 6th), or 2 out of 3 (’02-’04!)