Mike Nichols

postGame: Mets 5 Pirates 4
By Mike Nichols - Apr 29, 2008 11:13 pm

The Mets (14–11) defeated the Pirates (10–16) by the score of 5 to 4 in 11 innings tonight.

For a recap and boxscore, go to SNY.

…well, that may have been the most anti-climatic walk off hit i have ever witnessed…either way David Wright drove in the winning run with a deep fly ball to right in the bottom of the 11th…

…frankly, the Mets shouldn’t haven’t been in that position, but just as the Mets were on the verge of winning in the ninth another error in a big spot by Jose Reyes allowed Billy Wagner to blow his first save opportunity of the season…

…the Mets missed a big inning opportunity in the bottom of fifth inning…reyes broke a 2-2 tie with a triple to deep right-center field and later scored on a botched inning-ending tailor-made double play off the bat of wright…however, the Mets again were unable to bust the game open with two runs inning and the bases loaded and one out…Ryan Church struck out on a 3-2 pitch, which SNY’s overhead camera clearly showed was 6-8 inches off the plate…church had every right to argue that one…come on, blue…the inning eventually concluded with a strikeout from Carlos Delgado

…the offense not being able to make their opponents pay for mistakes in the field has been the achilles heal of this team…the just haven’t had the ability to step on the other team’s throat when the opportunity presents itself…

…speaking of the fifth, did Willie Randolph really put the squeeze play on…even though it was a failed attempt, i love the call…i honestly can’t remember the last time willie called for a squeeze…frankly, i think willie has made a mistake in the past not using the squeeze, especially with as many triples as reyes accumulates…

…i don’t know where the Mets would be this season without Ryan Church…give the guy a game ball for tying up the game in the fourth with two-run big fly to right…

Johan Santana managed his way through 5.2 IP tonight…even though he only gave up two hits - both homeruns - the pirates made santana work though each inning, fouling off pitches and working the count…santana just didn’t seem comfortable tonight, be it the weather or still getting used to the shea mound…willie attempted to allow santana get through the sixth, but santana just ran out of gas, loading the bases on two walks and hitting a batter…

…willie did the right thing letting santana try and work himself out of the inning, but once he hit Xavier Nady, it was clear santana was done for the night…

Pedro Feliciano saved the inning with an inning-ending infield pop fly…

…oh, Aaron Heilman, what are we going to do with you…i doubt we see him in a in big spot any time soon…perhaps we’ll see him get the ole Jorge Julio treatment…heilman was saved by a terrific play by Raul Casanova to recover a Scott Schoenewies wild pitch an throw the runner out home, who didn’t seem to tag the plate on a head first slide..

Duaner Sanchez struggled for the first time this season, allowing a one run on two hit and two walks in the eighth…i’m not too overly concerned by this as sanchez is still working his way back and few struggles here and their are to be expected….

…it wasn’t pretty, but a win is a win…keep taking care of business and go out and complete the sweep tomorrow afternoon…

The Mets finish off their abbreviated two-games series against the Pirates at home tomorrow at 1:10 pm.

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Comment by Darryl Strawberry
2008-04-29 23:16:51

I’m glad they won. The game shouldn’t have gone that long and by the lack of celebrating at the end of the game I think the players realized it as well.

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-29 23:21:35

I think they are trying to show that it’s about buisness right now. Wright was supposed to get a man home with 1 out and a man on 3rd. We were supposed to win and we did.
Same thing with Delgado the other night. This is our rival and it’s the 7th inning. I am just trying to do my job.
Hopefully that attitude will force a few more winning streaks this year.

Comment by m00kie
2008-04-30 08:14:14

great point .. not a big reason to celebrate there, when you should have had more runs, and almost blew the game in the 9th. They were re-securing a win that should already have been theirs. Celebrate when you do something great or noteworthy, not for doing your job.

 
 
Comment by haplo
2008-04-29 23:22:26

Reyes’ error was infuriating. He had a stupid grin on his face while he made a careless throw. If he could ever grow up he might be something.

Mets deserved to lose this one.

Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-29 23:24:01

I can’t tell, is this a Braves fan or a Phillies fan? Imagine any of us on here saying that one day Reyes might be something. LOL!!!

Comment by haplo
2008-04-29 23:26:33

Meaning he’s a nice player limited by his immaturity.

But no, you’re right, he’s totally reached his potential, and I’m a Phillies AND a Braves fan.

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Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-29 23:29:33

I just don’t get after a walk off win how you can come on and blast Reyes for some look that he had after a play. He got on base 6 times tonight and you want him to be somebody? He plays baseball for a living and makes millions of dollars doing it and he’s still not 25.

 
Comment by haplo
2008-04-29 23:34:50

He got on base 6 times tonight and you want him to be somebody?

And that came reeaaal close to meaning squat because he totally - TOTALLY - hot dogged a throw in the ninth inning.

But apparently wanting Reyes to grow up and become the player he can be makes me a Braves/Phillies fan. Got it.

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-29 23:39:34

It came real close to meaning squat because he had an error? So I guess the fact that he came right back out and got on base showed no maturity at all. Or the fact that he came up and got right back on base again, showed he was still sulking over an error. Be happy we won largely BECAUSE of Reyes and not in spite of him.
You can look back, I am as critical of Reyes as anyone on here but to bash him tonight after what he did the rest of the night other than that one play is ridiculous.

 
Comment by KinersKornerman
2008-04-29 23:40:22

Perfection is the enemy of the good. Reyes had a terrific game and people will kill him for an error. It’s a team game. Delgado could have short hopped it or Wagner could have not given up that hit, or Casanova could have blocked the ball in the dirt. All these events conspired to give the Pirates a run. AND the entire team only scored 4 runs off the friggin Pirates to that point. Blame the team, not just one guy.

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-29 23:41:59

But if Reyes was more mature he would have been somebody by now. Thus the Mets would have deserved to win.
Some of these guys just can’t be happy.

 
Comment by metsmets17
2008-04-29 23:42:54

You abuse Reyes but fat Howard cant even bend over for a ground ball.

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-29 23:43:58

But if Howard was more mature he would go on a diet and pretty soon he would be somebody and the Phillies would deserve to win.

 
Comment by pvhornet05
2008-04-29 23:45:27

The real, I think haplo is trying to say is that Reyes takes a lot of things for granted. Thats where a guy like Moises comes in and sits down with Reyes and just explains to him that you cannot take anything for granted.

Now I think at 24 Reyes is still immature but with time he will realize all this and hopefully we won’t see him lobbing a ball to first base or to any base.

Haplo if I misinterpretated what you are trying to say I apologize.

 
Comment by haplo
2008-04-29 23:45:36

It came real close to meaning squat because he had an error?

Uh, it was an error that pretty much directly turned into the tying run. A little bit of a breeze behind the LaRoche double in the 10th and this is a loss, and it doesn’t matter how many times Reyes got on base. It’s really not a difficult concept.

Reyes got lucky tonight. The Mets got lucky. They might not be so lucky next time Reyes does something foolish to undercut whatever good he does.

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-29 23:49:06

Look, he took too much time on the play getting his feet set on a ball deep in the pocket. He will 9/10 times make that play. However, to say that Reyes needs to mature more to be somebody is just plain stupid. Especially after a guy gets on base 6 times. Reyes is still young and learning the game but to say that he had a funny look on his face and that because of him we should have lost the game. NO WAY.

 
Comment by haplo
2008-04-29 23:50:47

The real, I think haplo is trying to say is that Reyes takes a lot of things for granted.

Yup, pretty much. He hot dogged it in the ninth, and it came very, very close to erasing his getting on base six times.

To say that the kid is sacrosanct just because he got on base six times - nevermind the totally preventable unforced error, borne of immaturity, that almost undid all of it - is tantamount to enabling that immaturity.

 
Comment by haplo
2008-04-29 23:52:08

However, to say that Reyes needs to mature more to be somebody is just plain stupid.

Awesome argument, on so many levels.

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-29 23:52:47

Or the fact that a guy who had been struggling, swinging at too many 1st pitches and not working the count gets a night of 3-3 with 3 walks.
Or coming down hard on a kid who misplayed a ball in the field after he busted his ass all night on every other play.

 
Comment by metsmets17
2008-04-29 23:53:46

Phils have 22 errors which is towards the bottom of the majors. Mets have 13. Utley bad D didnt help u guys against the cubs. Before u start pointing out bad D and laziness look in your own backyard.

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-29 23:54:43

Explain how Reyes who gets paid millions of dollars at age 24 to play baseball and who is one of the most exciting players in the game is not someone already? If you want to say he could be even better, so be it. But to say that his imaturity is costing him a chance at being somebody? again is just plain stupid.

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-29 23:55:42

17, you might as well give up because the best thing is I actually think this guy thinks he is a Mets fan.

 
Comment by KinersKornerman
2008-04-29 23:56:35

On balance, I think any team would take an immature guy that gets on base 6 out of 6 times. Evidence is all around Major League Rosters.

 
Comment by therealsince86
2008-04-29 23:57:48

I am not even doubting the fact that Reyes can be imature but to base that on a goofy look on a bad play and say that he isn’t already somebody????

 
Comment by haplo
2008-04-29 23:58:49

Or coming down hard on a kid who misplayed a ball in the field after he busted his ass all night on every other play.

There’s an unspoken message here - that he didn’t bust his ass on this play. You danced around it in your previous post - you said he took too much time getting to his feet.

Why couldn’t he bust his ass on this play? He knew he had a molasses slow runner and he relaxed. It’s my entire point in a singular moment - the one moment he took the game for granted very easily could have cost the Mets the game and rendered null his amazing night at the plate.

If you’re satisfied with what the kid did tonight because the team won, that’s your choice. His talent outweighed his immaturity solely because the Mets won. Personally, I’d rather see him bust his ass on every play. And like I said - if it happens again in the future, the Mets might not be so lucky.

 
Comment by metsmets17
2008-04-30 00:01:42

So Haplo what do we do with Reyes? How would u “fix” Jose?

 
Comment by haplo
2008-04-30 00:02:27

I am not even doubting the fact that Reyes can be imature but to base that on a goofy look on a bad play and say that he isn’t already somebody???

Whatever you like - he’s “somebody,” if you must harp on this point. My overall point is that he could and should be somebody much more than he is.

 
Comment by haplo
2008-04-30 00:05:19

So Haplo what do we do with Reyes? How would u “fix” Jose?

Personally I think Rick Down had much more of a positive influence on Reyes than most of us realize.

But in the end, Jose has to do it himself. He can have mentors to guide him, but nobody can be “fixed” to become mature.

 
Comment by haplo
2008-04-30 00:06:23

You danced around it in your previous post - you said he took too much time getting to his feet.

Bleh, you said setting his feet. Point still stands, but apologies nonetheless.

 
Comment by KinersKornerman