Comments on: Stat: The Schneider Effect

By: TheIcon

TheIcon — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:57:30 +0000

He admitted the passed balls were a result of breaking in a new glove and he went back to the old one.

By: Ollie Ollie Oxen Free

Ollie Ollie Oxen Free — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:49:54 +0000

If we are going to wait a bit longer to judge the Milledge trade, then why can’t we wait longer to judge the Bannister trade?

Burgos is a live arm…and a young one at that. About 4 years younger than Bannister I believe. Just off of Tommy John surgery. Let’s see what he can do next year before we call that trade a bust. I could see him getting every opportunity to supplant Wags as the closer when the time comes.

By: twassel

twassel — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:42:19 +0000

You’d lose that bet: he’s thrown out 3 of 6 runners, and has 3 passed balls (admittedly too many.)

By: ravi3

ravi3 — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:32:53 +0000

Still a small sample size re: Pelf and Schneider…though the discrepency is a bit nuts….Of course his two good starts were at Shea, while the clunker was the Sunday night game in Philly

By: zer09

zer09 — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:26:59 +0000

I don’t agree. Schneider has missed a ton of games so far, which we hope is not an indication of things to come, but it’s too early to tell. Church has been lighting it up, but there’s a good chance that Milledge’s overall production is better over the course of the entire season. It might be a win in the short term, it might not. Either way, what’s done is done and it was a smart move at the time, and that’s what counts…

By: itsmetsforme

itsmetsforme — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:22:21 +0000

I dont disagree that in 3 months this posting might be right on the money in terms of Schneid’s relationship with the pitching staff, and despite my undying opposition to the LM trade, I am happy to see the parts acquired making the kind of grinder everyday contributions Omar hoped they would. However, and this is not meant to be a direct criticism of the poster, the thing that always gets me is that a lot of stat head baseball fans literally don’t know the first thing about statistics and how you can use them to make strong claims.

Without even considering controlling for the myriad of variables in this ridiculously small sample, you cannot say that Schnieds was responsible for the drop in ERA through the mystical, impossible to operationalize variable “game calling.” Period. Of course, we’re all free to speculate.

As for his solid defense, during the period you are looking at, those 15 games, I don’t think Schneid’s best defensive foot was even put forward so to speak–I ‘d bet there were more passed balls than catcher throw outs at second.

By: mex84

mex84 — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:22:05 +0000

I agree, I have felt both teams win in that trade. The Mets needed players to put them over the top(hopefully) now, while the Nats are moving into a new stadium and need some young talent to create the excitement.

By: Lightweis

Lightweis — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:10:55 +0000

No way the jury is still out on the Milledge trade. Even with the small sample size, it’s safe to say that the Mets won out short term for sure by obtaining two starters for one. It’s very plausible that the Nationals win out in the long term, and that’s the only thing that the jury is still out on.

By: itsmetsforme

itsmetsforme — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:10:36 +0000

stay away from my kids you crazy sunufagun!

The un-Zito may be Omar’s grandest move ever!

By: darkstar73

darkstar73 — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 15:53:36 +0000

you are crazy