Comments on: Note: Delgado Cheered, then Booed http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 01:10:45 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Cousinjoey http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151270 Cousinjoey Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:53:12 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151270 This is for the people that think not booing won't help a player play better. A couple of years ago, there was a Starbucks commercial, that showed a dorky, mail clerk moping around the office. Then Glenn takes out a can of espresso and immediately becomes full of energy and confidence. The commercial even included the song from Rocky 3 (Survivor, Eye of the Tiger). The song would start playing every time he would open a can of the espresso and take a big swig of it. They even had the band follow (Glenn) all around the office playing music in the background to signify how motivating a can of espresso can be. Of course, once Glenn started drinking the espresso, he immediately started moving up the corporate ladder. Now as cheesy as that commercial was, it definitely illustrates the power of positive reinforcement. Now can you imagine how motivated someone could be if he had 50,000 people cheering for you. This is for the people that think not booing won’t help a player play better. A couple of years ago, there was a Starbucks commercial, that showed a dorky, mail clerk moping around the office. Then Glenn takes out a can of espresso and immediately becomes full of energy and confidence. The commercial even included the song from Rocky 3 (Survivor, Eye of the Tiger). The song would start playing every time he would open a can of the espresso and take a big swig of it. They even had the band follow (Glenn) all around the office playing music in the background to signify how motivating a can of espresso can be. Of course, once Glenn started drinking the espresso, he immediately started moving up the corporate ladder.

Now as cheesy as that commercial was, it definitely illustrates the power of positive reinforcement. Now can you imagine how motivated someone could be if he had 50,000 people cheering for you.

]]> By: SethH http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151210 SethH Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:04:11 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151210 I'd like to think that some of the boos that rain down when Delgado whiffs are actually for Willie, not Carlos. Willie is really the one responsible for overplaying him -- and to some extent Omar for not having a backup plan, though I'm confident Omar is at least aware there's a problem that isn't going to fix itself. Just to add to the litany of ways Delgado is killing this team, there is also his baserunning. According to baseball prospectus, Delgado's baserunning cost the Mets between 7 and 8 runs last year, compared to average. To put that in perspective, Jose Reyes's baserunning benefited the Mets by between 7 and 8 runs last year. So, in other words, Delgado is as much of a drag on the basepaths as Jose Reyes is a spark. And yet Willie never pinch-runs for him late in games... I’d like to think that some of the boos that rain down when Delgado whiffs are actually for Willie, not Carlos. Willie is really the one responsible for overplaying him — and to some extent Omar for not having a backup plan, though I’m confident Omar is at least aware there’s a problem that isn’t going to fix itself.

Just to add to the litany of ways Delgado is killing this team, there is also his baserunning. According to baseball prospectus, Delgado’s baserunning cost the Mets between 7 and 8 runs last year, compared to average. To put that in perspective, Jose Reyes’s baserunning benefited the Mets by between 7 and 8 runs last year. So, in other words, Delgado is as much of a drag on the basepaths as Jose Reyes is a spark. And yet Willie never pinch-runs for him late in games…

]]> By: kevinmets31 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151206 kevinmets31 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:02:03 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151206 You deserve to boo if you want to I mean come on you're paying so these guys can live in mansions and drive around Porsches. I do not agree with booing a player for having a bad game. However a player like Carlos Delgado who is probably the easiest out in baseball this year deserves to get boo'ed. You deserve to boo if you want to I mean come on you’re paying so these guys can live in mansions and drive around Porsches. I do not agree with booing a player for having a bad game. However a player like Carlos Delgado who is probably the easiest out in baseball this year deserves to get boo’ed.

]]> By: zer09 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151162 zer09 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:23:08 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151162 "we have to make the best of it." Willie Randolph and Omar Minaya have to make the best of this situation. The fans don't "have to" anything. That's why WE can boo, and THEY can scratch their heads. I'm a huge fan, and certainly want the team to win no matter what, but I don't "have to" live with a .190 5-spot hitter who is a below average fielder to boot. If Willie and Omar are ok with "having to" live with it, then they deserve my boos as well...louder than ever. I don't think anyone will accept this kind of performance for an entire year... “we have to make the best of it.”

Willie Randolph and Omar Minaya have to make the best of this situation. The fans don’t “have to” anything. That’s why WE can boo, and THEY can scratch their heads. I’m a huge fan, and certainly want the team to win no matter what, but I don’t “have to” live with a .190 5-spot hitter who is a below average fielder to boot. If Willie and Omar are ok with “having to” live with it, then they deserve my boos as well…louder than ever. I don’t think anyone will accept this kind of performance for an entire year…

]]> By: zer09 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151160 zer09 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:19:39 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151160 Look, I'm not saying that booing doesn't make him feel bad, but it's part of the game. I seriously doubt that cheering will provide him with more tools to make solid contact... I don't think he should be booed every time he comes up - but if he fails miserably in a big spot (like a k, pop out, or dp) he deserves it. I would never blame him for hitting the ball hard and making an out...I can, however, blame him for failing to make contact in 70% of times he's up with men on base... Look, I’m not saying that booing doesn’t make him feel bad, but it’s part of the game. I seriously doubt that cheering will provide him with more tools to make solid contact… I don’t think he should be booed every time he comes up – but if he fails miserably in a big spot (like a k, pop out, or dp) he deserves it. I would never blame him for hitting the ball hard and making an out…I can, however, blame him for failing to make contact in 70% of times he’s up with men on base…

]]> By: Dirtysanchez http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151156 Dirtysanchez Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:14:15 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151156 Bottom line is delgado is going to be our first baseman for 2008 period. They are not going to trade him or cut him so we have to make the best of it. Bottom line is delgado is going to be our first baseman for 2008 period. They are not going to trade him or cut him so we have to make the best of it.

]]> By: Dirtysanchez http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151149 Dirtysanchez Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:10:30 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151149 Why not its home. All im saying is booing the guy is not gonna help him get any better. He even said the booing hurts but he puts it aside and plays his game. We should be booing the opposition not our own people. Im just saying that cheering may help more than booing our own player thats all. Hell if you dont believe me, continue to boo and lets see how well that goes. Why not its home. All im saying is booing the guy is not gonna help him get any better. He even said the booing hurts but he puts it aside and plays his game. We should be booing the opposition not our own people. Im just saying that cheering may help more than booing our own player thats all. Hell if you dont believe me, continue to boo and lets see how well that goes.

]]> By: zer09 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151145 zer09 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:07:47 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151145 I hope that I didn't confuse anyone with that line...lol Look, my point is, I understand that booing him doesn't help the situation, but is it really making it any worse? What I meant to say above is, fans can't help his situation by not booing - that should be clear as day. The fans are ready to accept mediocrity at this point, of that I'm sure. He needs to start hitting SOMETHING - I'm sure he'll be cheered if he hits at least .250, which is generally a pretty poor average. If not, he needs to go, and no one in the stands or radio or tv disagrees with that. Boos just remind everyone that we're still watching, and still unhappy. I hope that I didn’t confuse anyone with that line…lol
Look, my point is, I understand that booing him doesn’t help the situation, but is it really making it any worse? What I meant to say above is, fans can’t help his situation by not booing – that should be clear as day. The fans are ready to accept mediocrity at this point, of that I’m sure. He needs to start hitting SOMETHING – I’m sure he’ll be cheered if he hits at least .250, which is generally a pretty poor average. If not, he needs to go, and no one in the stands or radio or tv disagrees with that. Boos just remind everyone that we’re still watching, and still unhappy.

]]> By: zer09 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151140 zer09 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:03:33 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151140 The thing that will turn the Honda back into a BMW is a mechanic, not a car wash... The thing that will turn the Honda back into a BMW is a mechanic, not a car wash…

]]> By: Ollie Ollie Oxen Free http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151136 Ollie Ollie Oxen Free Wed, 30 Apr 2008 14:59:48 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/04/30/note-delgado-cheered-then-booed/#comment-151136 "you could leave a newborn baby in a restaurant - and they'd put him in the coat room" “you could leave a newborn baby in a restaurant – and they’d put him in the coat room”

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