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The Mets (14–12) lost to the Pirates (11–16) by the score of 13 to 1 in Shea Stadium today.
For a boxscore and recap, go to SNY.
…look, i suspect people - and you know who you are – will lose their minds over today’s game, as if it some how symbolizes some sort of greater issue surrounding this team…fact is, the Mets are 14–12, at a time when only a handful of teams are playing with a better record in the National League…
…that said, Tom Gorzelanny…really…jeez, guys…i mean, it’s a nice, sunny day…Citi Field even took time to provide you with additional water, in case you became dehydrated…and yet, you can’t score a single run…instead, you strike out seven times, get only two hits and leave seven men on base…i mean, gorzelanny even put five guys on base with walks, yet, nothing…the thing is, i realize no team will score five runs every night and that you’re bound to hit an off day…i get that, and understand…
…it wouldn’t seem so bad, though, if the offensive shut-down didn’t coincide with Oliver Perez and Jorge Sosa allowing 12 runs before the start of the sixth inning – all while the defense totally lost focus…
…wow…i mean, get it of your system, i guess…don’t waste it…if one aspect of the team plans to shut down for a day, i guess let it all shut down…why spread it around, when you can cram it all in on one lazy afternoon…
…by the way, it is his tendency to lose to total control that has me skeptical about giving perez a new three-year deal…he can be awesome…no doubt…and it’s not to say he is incapable of correcting this major flaw, but, those could be three very turbulent years, you know what i mean…
…by the way, five runs crossed the plate while sosa stood on the mound through the entire sixth inning…and, at that point, i don’t blame Willie Randolph for leaving him in the game…i mean, this is a guy who is essentially pitching for his job right now, so, let’s see what he’s got…and, i’m guessing, thanks to today, what he’s got is far less rope than he had a few hours ago…good luck, jorge…
…also, i love it, in a game that it is a total blow-out, Aaron Heilman comes in and throws a perfect inning…this isn’t irony, but it sure is predictable…i am happy for aaron, though…he needed a day to just come in, no pressure, and maybe get a bit of confidence back…if this happened, at least the day will not be a total waste…
…anyway, this is far more words than i expected to write about a game in which the Mets lost by 12 runs…
…hey, everyone, it’s happy hour…enjoy it…
The Mets are off tomorrow, and will start a three-game series on Friday in Arizona against the D’Backs, who lead Major League Baseball with a 19–8 record.
Anyone find it funny that we couldn’t get get Nady back for Ollie now if we wanted too?
He had three RBI’s. DAMN!
It is going to be a strange off-season with Ollie. We all know this kind of start is possible. Not sure if I really want him back after the year. If he has a strong year like last season then the price is sky-high, Bad season 10-13 or something like that then the price is lower. The Highs are High and the lows are really low. I would opt for someone a little more stable
Here’s a question…What’s the deal with Rick Peterson? Have the pitchers given up on him? If so, should he go, too?
no, jacket obviously knows what’s going on, and actually uses information…not his fault pitchers can’t execute. I think he’s a great coach, and should be kept around as long as possible.
Not for nothing but it’s comments like this below from our own Matt Cerrone, that is similar, if not identical to the kind of malaise and sugar-coating we will here from Willie and Omar
COMMENT “fact is, the Mets are 14–12, at a time when only a handful of teams are playing with a better record in the National League…
Thats how they rationalized the situation from last year to now, (by down-playing the scenario) and that is exactly why the mets faultered last year and will most likely do the same this year. NO accountability, no calling out of un-inspired, lifeless play.
That comment basically equates to- well everyone else is doing it so what is the big deal….what kind of expectations or performances will the organization have with that kind of approach/mind-frame…. I don’t understand, that is not the talk of winners and I’m afraid its rubbing off on our own Matt Cerrone.
It’s like Groundhog’s Day. Same thing is going on as did all last season. “This team has so much talent”, “this is a playoff team”, “we’re still in first”, “just one game”, “no reason to panic”, etc.
Be realistic, this team isn’t that good. It probably is performing as should be expected.
I dont think its that the team is not good….Its said that after a time a team will take on the personality of its leader/manager. Well, face it, Willie could be on the Titanic and think that there is just a little hole in the side of the ship! And now this team represents that. I dont have a problem with not yelling and screaming all the time because players will tune that out but seriously, there is a time to be mad and losing 13 -1 against a last place team with your number two pitcher going against a guy with an era of 8 is a damn fine day for a blowup. 14-12, everyone else is not playing all that well….thats like going to a party and saying its ok to drive home drunk because everyone else is doing it too. Enoughs enough guys…. We have no heart and until we fix that problem, until losing actually burns this team, we wont be champions.
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Excellent blog by jbmet. I couldn’t agree more. No sense of urgency, you would think they would be hungry every game after last year. I commend Matt for not censoring blogs that are calling him on the carpet. Well done. .
The Pirates probably would make that deal actually. Nady is a very good, not great player. He always starts fast then fades for long stretches of the season. Just because hed be a great fit for us doesn’t mean we should overvalue him. Its east to get down on Perez after a bad outing, but think about it from this perspective-Would Phillies and Braves fans be more excited to aquire Perez or Nady? Who would worry you more as a Mets fan? Perez is more of an impact player. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Perez bounce back with several dominant outings in a row, followed by another stinker, and so on. Many superstar players are streaky. He’s seems to be the pitching equivalent of Carlos Beltran, he’s really not very good for stretches but hes one of the very best in baseball when hes in a groove and they both groove often enough to finish with big numbers. I know its been a frustrating season but Perez is what he is, he could get even better, but let’s support him either way
glad i didnt see it
Here, here!
x3
ur lucky. i was in the front row lol
Should be an interesting weekend in the desert.
lol love the picture. Ugly game. Lets just move on to Arizona and play Probably one of the hottest teams in the NL. On a bright note… We finally get to see what we can do with alou and schnieder back.
If their play today is any indication of what to expect later this summer, then–as one blogger suggested–we are in for a LONG SUMMER! I’m glad I didn’t see the game. The fact they lost by 12 runs p*sses me off! They are a talented team, but I’m at the point where they are becoming an underacheiving overpriced team. Sounds like the basketball team that resides at MSG! Granted they are not as bad, but their underacheiving is unacceptable.
The whole team needs to be held accountable, Willie included.
Pathetic. Errors. No focus. No manager to take charge and show some emotion. There are some spoiled babies on this team. They had better step up.
right, willie yelling at the ump would’ve made ollie not walk 10,000 guys.
You know, at some point people are going to have to stop turning this around on the fans who are vocal with their concerns for this team, and admit there are big problems.
That’d be nice for a change.
What problems? A sloppy day game? happens all the time.
Perez is the only story, and it’s not a new one, he won us 15 games with that story.
OK. There are no problems.
Yup. Champagne will taste so much sweeter too.
Are you sure that’s champagne and not Kool Aid? HA!
if you don’t think they’ll enjoy winning more after what they’ve been through, you’re already drunk.
See, these kinds of responses really bother me. The guy pointed out the fact that these games happen….to EVERY TEAM. Then you guys come in acting like little children, not even CONSIDERING the point.
It isn’t a Mets problem…call it a human problem. Players and teams slump…sometimes for an entire month.
But go ahead, tell me i should calm down and you were just kidding
the 2007 hangover is definitely not over for some fans.
You know what would have scared me? an 20-6 start because i would’ve waited for the other shoe to drop….
Can you blame the fans for their recent play? C’mon where are our best players? Defense is shot! Errors a plenty!
I will give you this…many fans have yet to get over the collapse. This collapse carried over to the new year. And while, yes, the season is still young, many fans are concerned and upset.
I hope I am wrong come July thru September. I will continue rooting for the team, although, I am disappointed.
At what point does the lackluster play become evidence of a problem, or a multitude of problems? This is a talented team on paper, a high payroll team built to win now. It has been underperforming since around this time last season.
When is it time to be concerned? Never?
Yes. These games will happen. In isolation, it isn’t a big deal. If a game like this crops up in a season when the team is otherwise playing good, crisp ball….nobody ought to think twice and would just call it a laugher and an aberration that just happens in baseball.
The question is, given the last year or so, can one affor to view games like today in isolation or must one view it in the context of The Collapse and the mediocre play that dates back to last May?
Let me know when it is proper or not “childish” to express concern with the poor overall performance of this franchise? May? June? July? Last day of the season? 2011? 2086 on the centennial of the last championship? ;-)
Well if someone can tell me how this team is not playing with their heads up their rear ends, I’d love to read it. Bonus points if you can do it without telling me “Pedro will be back!” or “Alou already got his injury out of the way!”
This is a .500 team.
I’ve been to every game but two. I clap at all the right times. I never boo, even the guys I can’t stand. I’ve really gone out of my way to support this team, and I will continue to do that. But truth be told, the only thing I’ve seen anyone say to defend their play is that the other teams are playing just as bad. Well those other teams are built to come out of it. We’re still seeing the same guys doing the same things that didn’t work last year.
You wanna keep the orange and blue blinders on? Enjoy.
I guess “lackluster play” is the new term for “losing” and “playing with fire” is now “winning”
I dont have met & orange blinders on (although i’m sure it makes you feel better thinking you’re a more enlightened fan than others, ALREADY)…i’m a long time baseball fan and as the great Bobby V said “you’re never as bad as you look when you’re losing and never as good as you look when you’re winning”.
Gipper: That’s a fair viewpoint. Can’t really argue with their overall play last year, but as i’m sure you know, things happen in a season where things get thrown for a loop (i.e. Alou, Endy going down).
As far as signs for this season, they’ve taken 4 of 6 from the Phillies and won the last series from the braves. Not only that, but they’ve already gotten a 5 game winning streak, which they didnt get until september of last year.
Granted, their losses have looked BAD…there’s no one who can deny that, but they’ve had some nice wins, as well. I think we’ll find that they’ll be above the crowd come October.
Accuse me of being too optimistic, but don’t ever think i’m a fan boy or i wear “orange and blue colored glasses”
The Mets certainly have some guys that are underachieving right now. Really, the only consistent offensive player has been Church. Beltran is woefully underachieving right now, and I think he is a little banged up. Reyes is doing much better offensively than his number suggests, hitting into a lot of hard outs, but still, the production is not there (although it will come). Wright, who had been the hot one, has disappeared for the past week or two. Obviously Delgado is struggling and maybe he never comes out of it. Pagan is returning to his level.
I just think if we get Reyes and Beltran right, Wright gets hot again, and Church stays consistent, combine that with Alou coming back (for however long he lasts).. I mean, you have to figure the offense is going to pick it up and go on a hot streak.
The pitching has actually been pretty good for the Mets. Hopefully Figueroa replaces Sosa in the bullpen and pedro comes back strong.
There is some fight left in this team.
You really wanna break it down?
They beat a Rollins-less Phillies team. He kills them.
They beat a Larry Jones-less Braves team with Smoltz having one foot on a banana peel and another on the DL.
That’s OK. You have to step up and win those games, and they did, and nobody made more noise than I did.
But today was an embarrassment. Yesterday they won a game where they looked like losers. Thank G-d for Ryan Church. But a four hour game with the Pirates followed by whatever that was today? That’s the sign of a team that is just plain PASSIVE.
And that’s how I would describe this team. They have all the talent in the world. Every other team in the league should be afraid to face them. But they are just PASSIVE.
Guess where that attitude comes from?
Ollie’s start was pretty debilitating. I mean, every team mails in some at-bats when they’re down double digit runs.
Roach2,
I respect your optimism and you make some good points. Thank you for acknowledging my points. Frankly, I wish I could share your outlook. Most years I would. After last year, I am finding it exceedingly difficult.
Now, let’s get out to Shea Stadium West (Chase Field) and squish some snakes!
yeah, they’re passive! Not hitting the ball is passive! They should be able to hit the ball whenever they want to, and if they don’t, then they don’t want to win, and they’re passive choking unclutch jerks, especially after twenty-six games! BREAK EM UP! Wright’s so unclutch, Reyes isn’t nearly as good as (player x)! FIRE OMAR!
sorry, I acknowledge there are troubles.
Perez is not the only story in a game where we gave up 9 unearned runs.
I thought after the first game against Atlanta ‘right, they hit rock bottom, let’s see how they bounce back’, and, lo, they won the next 3.
Today’s game has me pretty down though. If we’re lucky, everyone will take it as a rocket up the a** and come out all guns blazing on Friday. It surely can’t get any worse than today.
Agreed, today was downright awful. The errors were troubling, but something about the combo of Perez and Sosa makes me want to cry
Good news is the Arizona trip always makes for a good weekend. Let’s hope they continue that trend
Yeah… getting away from the toxic atmosphere at Shea can’t hurt, and there are a lot of players on this team that seem to prefer the warm weather (eases those achy joints)
Besides, those AZ pitchers have to come back to earth, at least a little, sometime, right?
This is the same story as the last game of last year in a way, except it’s early.
You have to remember it’s a marathon, not a sprint, meaning they can’t get all pumped up and gung ho about trying to overcome a 7 run deficit. They can’t start pressing, because when they do, errors happen. give the Pirates a handicap against any team in baseball, and that teams going to be worried about their chances to win. There are times when you have to kind of cut your losses, play out the game, and move on.
Church, Santana, Schneider isn’t last year. they’re not doing ‘the same things as last year’. maybe Delgado is. Maybe Reyes is taking a while to get his stride this year, but I truly believe, Reyes, Wright and Beltran will have good years. give it time to settle. they’ve won 3/4. lets see how the next week goes for starters.
“This is the same story as the last game of last year in a way, except it’s early.”
It’s never too early to fix something that isn’t working. I didn’t think that was coming anytime soon. Maybe it is coming.
“Sloppy” you say. Integrity, I say.
Look, every team has a hand full of BAD games. This is one of ours and it was not pretty. Anybody who thinks that today game is what the Mets are about and the way they will play is just a fool. Am I happy about it? NO!!! We will score our runs and win our games, it all evens out in the end. On the other hand, this is NOT the kind of play that makes fans feel better after the big collapse of 2007. I read that Willie has 50 games to change things around. That means that at 50 games we should be 30-20? So we are 14-12 so we can loose 8 more games and Willie is gone. So now is the time for the team to wake up and get things rolling. I feel the the Pirates are a better team that we are because they can go for the throat and bury a team, something that Mets cant do.
Well, this team isn’t perfect for sure. There are problems.
I would still like to see a few weeks of schneider/alou/pedro in the lineup on a regular basis though before I concede the division. and we still don’t know what we have in wide yet (at least I don’t). I hate to keep saying “its early” but I think you got to give it May to see what you have.
What difference does it make whether we admit them or not? It’s not going to change the team. I’d rather just try to think positively. Me thinking the team is crap and is going no where isn’t going to make them any better.
Win 3, lose 1, win 3, I can deal with that. Lets have a good trip.
What troubles me most is it seems like another “get away day” loss. Maybe half of them left for AZ last night?
I honestly think Sosa should have been left in for the rest of the game, or at least much more of it.
No way we were winning this game, what is the point of the relieverfest?
If Sosa is being DFA’d this weekend, wear him out for whoever picks him up!
If Sosa is not DFA’d…oh, man…
you don’t want to injure him, if he doesn’t understand the strength of his arm versus tiredness and whatnot, but another inning would’ve been nice.
but, maybe this means Smith gets to stay.
This team continues to give us so many reasons to make us angry fans…
BOOOOOOOOOOO
And the boo birds have arrived!
Good bye and good ridence Sosa. Dont let the door hit you in the rear on the way out!
The blog was fun today even with this blowout.
*Sigh*
At least people will stop saying that it is only April.
Yep, after today “it’s only April” is officially over, and “it’s still early” begins.
Don’t forget the ever sweetening champagne!
Are we still mathematically alive for the playoffs? LOL
Hey, lighten up; it’s only April 30th!
for those who think it’s early; that there is still plenty of time, I say did we or did we not lose the division title last year by ONE GAME!!!!!
He said it. He said it.
“it’s just one game.”
willie said it.
i freakin knew it.
theses it’s just one games add up jabroni
if ya smellllalalalaoooo what the mets…aren’t cookin!
no pie for these mets
apple pie that is :)
i’m actually hearing the Rock say that in my head and its hilarious
Well if he really is on the hot seat, it should get a lot hotter after he said something like that.
I wonder if to this day Willie realizes that they missed the playoffs by just one game.
Matt, I agree. From what I read, Heilman plays his best when there is no pressure. He had nothing to lose and everything to gain. So, I agree this was the only bright spot for the Mets. Hopefully, he can regain some confidence, especially for those pressure situations. *SIGH*
These guys were on the plane for AZ by the 4th inning. Big test this weekend. We are gonna see what we have moving forward with Alou and Schneider coming back.
agreed.
If they are still treading water in a 3 weeks or so I would have trouble seeing any reason to believe things will be different in august.
I’m putting alot of faith in alou, but I think he is a difference maker for their offense when (if) he is in the lineup.
Ok, so Perez had nothing and that sucks but what is the excuse for only 2 hits! An what about the sloppy defense and errors? No excuses for that….The team went into the tank and that is 100% on willie. Get him out of here and get mazzilli in here to kick some butt……
Relax.
It’s April 30th.
Actually the sloppy defense comes from Ollie throwing ball, after ball, after ball. A pitcher does that he puts his defense to sleep and today Ollie was as good as Sominex. Though, of course, his pitching had no affect on the slumber of their lumber.
I guess the watermain break was an Omen for the Mets. They are saying Ollie’s problem is mental and he has to overcome it, well if that be the case then we are in trouble, cause homeboy is a sandwhich short of a picnic.
It has to be said, of all the guys you don’t want on the mound after a delay, Ollie ‘Lack Of Focus’ Perez has to be top of the list.
We all have to accept that OP’s going to have some bad outings. What’s worrying, though, is that they’re stacking up already, and we haven’t seen much of ‘good Ollie’ yet. Right now, it’s very hard to see him ending this year with numbers as good as last year’s.
Ollie, IMO, is a useful but by no means reliable starter. Some team’s gonna pay out the ass for him, and I reeeeally hope (and believe) it won’t be us.
maybe he should start stepping on the line purposely?
I didn’t see the game, but Sosa has looked like he has lost the movement on his pitches– perhaps all of these innings just don’t suit him.
I think we are going to need a steady stream of fresh arms during the course of the year, so we have to go with (a) pitchers that are fresh, and (b) pitchers that have options/can be promoted/demoted without consequence (like waivers.) In my mind, Sosa is replaceable and should be sent down (through waivers.) Joe Smith has earned his right to say, and let’s be frank, he may very well be a first half pitcher so we can prepare to have Muniz, Bostick, Wise, whomever ready for the second half.
By the way, let’s play with this hypothetical…. Heilman may be pushed down in the bullpen and start pitching more of middle inning appearences… this leads to him becoming a long reliever… preparing him for, possibly, a return to a starting role. Possible?
Still find it very hard to believe the Heilman-as-starter scenario could pan out. For one thing, we don’t have a pressing need for another starter, so why risk a huge unknown?
At the moment we have two guys well suited for long relief on the 25-man roster (Sosa and Figueroa), and Brian Stokes is being stretched out in NO where all his appearances have been as a starter.
We really need Aaron to straighten himself out and perform in his current role – that’s where he can provide the biggest difference to this team compared to the other options we already have.
Can we get Ollie a script for ritalin please? I say this only half in jest – his problem is clearly mental – there has to be something he can do to help himself.
fire his agent.
Nady is clearly being nice about the Mets during this interview.
The Mets were just pretty nice to him. What was it, 2R, 3RBI today?
Besides, he was liked here, he’s still liked here, and I’m sure he understands that the team traded him not because they wanted to but because they had to. Stupid taxi driver.
Let’s go beat that taxi driver…..damn that person.
Nady would so rather be here. I hope it happens.
For an 86 team that wanted to destroy the competition, Im surprised that Strawberry talks about playing to the other teams record. Meaning no one else is running away with it so it’s ok.
In most businesses, there are times when employees are expected to show what is called a “sense of urgency” – the ability and willingness to rise to the occasion when it matters.
Exactly when did this cease to be a qualification for manager of the New York Mets?
“It’s only one game.” Really, Willie? Really? And how many games did your choking band of lifeless underacheivers lose the divsion by last year? Right, that’s what I thought.
“It’s only one game.” Get this jackass out of here. Tell you what, we’ll trade you to LA for Larry Bowa, who might just annoy this bunch of lazy clowns enough to play hard, while Willie can go back to what he did best – napping on Torre’s shoulder.
ugh i hate when they say that “it’s just one game.”
Is this really any better than the “we battled” days of Art Howe?
who can forget “we battled.”
These “one game” games could soon be his last game with the way they played today. Am i crazy or do you guys think maybe they brought on Harold Reynolds on SNY to free up Lee Mazilli? I have heard alot of chatter on the site lately sugggesting Maz as the next manager. Any substance?
Ive thought that too. Wilpons are quickly losing patience. Willie has no support in the organization. He may not survive the road trip.
I’m not crazy about willie, but I don’t know about these managers everyone brings up.
Bowa – ask phillie fans about him, no way
Maz – what makes anyone think this guy can be a good manager?
Camera Carter – puh-lease
Bobby V – I actually liked him, losing absolutely killed this guy, but I gather that ship has sailed with the wilpons
What else is out there? this team needs an established winning manager, not some old has-been or another guy who has to learn on the job.
Willie will be here until they fall completely out of contention, or until the end of the year. I hate to say it, but given the alternatives I agree with it.
I agree with RPsJacket (you are well worn, my man!).
Certainly, I am no fan of Willie and want him gone ASAP. However, there really isn’t much out there. This is yet another reason he should have been canned the day after The Collapse…not the following May.
Davey Johnson? He might want to come back
LOL You can’t be serious. He hasn’t manged in the majors in eons, he is old as dirt, and he’s a wee bit busy this summer managing the olympic team.
Do you think anyone would survive that sense of urgency in other businesses?
this isn’t ‘when it matters’.
All the accountants would quit if the tax crunch lasted 6 months.
Most people burn out when they have to work with that sense of urgency for extended periods of time.
stop harping on Willie’s media speak as a reason to fire him, and besides, it is just one game. It doesn’t count as a double loss, and it doesn’t make tomorrow’s win more important. each game is a standalone event. Besides, there isn’t much he could’ve done differently, so who cares how he ’spins it’ later? He didn’t lose the game, the players did.
So you tell us…
When DO these games matter?
I’ll ask you one more time, since you actually did say this isn’t when it matters.
When does it start to matter?
they matter. I was paraphrasing you.
this isn’t ‘when they matter’ in terms of must-wins, pressing, or desperation. They’re simply games, and each game is equal.
in September, games aren’t equal. in 2006, september games were nearly meaningless. Last week of last season, each game counted doubly.
Games only really matter in respect to the competition. Guess what, we’re not going to win all 19 games against the Marlins and the Nationals. it’s not as clear cut as that.
They’re going to lose games. it happens. You can take any game and claim _that_ was the game that cost them the division, but the only games that mattered in terms of that were the ones in that last week, when they knew exactly how many games they needed to win to make the playoffs.
btw, Willie basically downplays the importance of an individual win too. It’s just how it is.
“btw, Willie basically downplays the importance of an individual win too. It’s just how it is.”
I’ll just address that one part of your post. I’m not trying to give you a hard time, and if it seems like I am, then I’m sorry. You have every right to your opinion as I do mine.
But that one part of your post strikes me as part of the problem too. Why downplay the wins? I’m not saying after winning last night Willie should have ordered pizza for the clubhouse and given out goodie-bags. But how about a little bit of motivation? OK, we don’t see how he interacts with his players in private, but if the ownership is starting to bark a little, you have to wonder if it’s really an issue.
I look at it like this. The Wilpons knew that Willie was an outstanding player. I don’t like the guy as a manager, but I will never even try to take that away from him. The guy flat out knew how to win in baseball. Now, without having a managerial resume, you’d have to think that they hired him for what they expected to be his ability to interact with his players and motivate them, to teach them how to be good winners who enjoy winning.
Like I said, there’s no need for a pizza party, but these guys don’t even seem to enjoy winning. We can agree to disagree, but at the end of the day it kind of bugs me that the team I love as much as I do doesn’t look like they’re having much fun.
SNY was so hungry for a Mets moment that they had to use last nights win.
It’s just one game…
… how many games was the division lost by last year again?
And what do you want him to say? Do you want him to treat a day game against the Pirates as some game 7 type scenario? Should he have put in John Maine for a couple of innings?
The people that are really upset about the loss will never acknowledge the obviousness of this. It’s a losing battle.
“It’s only one game.” There comes a point where one game matters. You should know that.
but what is he supposed to say? he knows they count.
He should at least try to pretend to show some emotion instead of doing his besr Bahgdad bob impersonation.
Why? To appease the fanatical fanbase?
That’s called too many cooks in the kitchen.
For all of Willie’s criticisms, pandering to the media to communicate to the fans should NEVER be one of them.
Maybe to start appeasing his bosses?
The ones who put the word on the street that the honeymoon is over?
Or he can just get fired. It probably won’t come until the end of the season, but make no mistake about it, it’s a very good possibility.
BIG difference
No one in baseball speaks to his bosses (read: owners) via the media, unless they want to air any dirty laundry or grievances
that stuff takes place behind closed doors
I didn’t say he should fire back at them via the media. I said he should at least try to adapt in some way to let them know that he got the message of their frustrations loud and clear. If he doesn’t do that and he loses his job, that’s his own fault. If he wants to stick to his guns, he might end up doing it walking out the door.
Charlie Manuel is a manager that comes out after a phillies loss and makes firey comments about his teams poor playing after a loss. Is that what you want because you can talk to any phillies fan and they will all say that they wanted him fired mid way thru the season last year. He’s only the manager this year because they won the Division last year, if they struggle and lose this year Manuel is gone. Its not about what he says to the fans or media its how he manages a game and yesterday was not willies fault.
I want him to say we looked unmotivated and unfocused and played like crap.
exactly!
Gina for manager!
Pagan needs to sit. Endy is way overdue. Defense, savvy and a gamer at the plate.
With todays results (9 unearned runs) Endy and his D is much needed. I cant figure out for the life of me why he has been buried on the bench. With Alou coming back i am sure that wont change.
re.tar.ded.
Wow, this guy Owings for Arizona is unbelievable. He is not even pitching and he pitch-hits in the 6th and hits a two run homer to tie it. Maybe the Mets should do the same with Santana.
I’ve got him on my fantasy team .. I wish his hitting counted!
I know it’s “just one game”, but the way the offense completely laid down… the way this team gave up after getting down seven runs is fairly indicative of the lack of passion this team has as a whole. That concerns me more than ollie’s control and our coaching.
Fortunately, an L is an L, so a 13-1 shellacking is the same as a close 3-2 loss. Everyone has their bad days.. some people have a lot of them..but we’ve moved on from losses like this before & will again.
No more angel waves at Shea
The honeymoon is oficially over.
I hated that dumb wave anyway.
officially
The perfect manager for this bunch of underperformers is sitting at the deck of Baseball Tonight . . . Buck Showalter!!
FIRE WILLIE NOW!!
Hmm, forgot all about Buck, interesting.
the champagnes going to taste that much sweeter… thats all
perez has barry zito syndrome, only boras hasnt had time to get him a way overpaid contract like he got zito.
Thank the sweet lord I thought the game was to be played tonight or I would be cursing up a storm.
Because I didn’t watch the game, I can’t really criticize them, but from what I read, is it too early to be nervous about our team?
We may be 2 games over 500 but I’m sorry,to put it plainly, we suck. Look for the Dbacks to sweep us. Our offense is dead. Our pitching is mediocre. Our defense has been lacking, This team has no spark or leadership. Willie’s managerial deficencies are more evident as we struggle. I know its still early, but putting pink lipstick on a pig, makes it still a pig.
a bunch of pigs with mets jerseys on…i can see that
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Ahhh.. it’s only April. At this point I’m more worried about gas… it’s a *$&($%* 3.78 up here in upstate..it blows more than Delgado and the mets right now
Not for nothing but it’s comments like this below from our own Matt Cerrone, that is similar, if not identical to the kind of malaise and sugar-coating we will here from Willie and Omar
COMMENT “fact is, the Mets are 14–12, at a time when only a handful of teams are playing with a better record in the National League…
Thats how they rationalized the situation from last year to now, (by down-playing the scenario) and that is exactly why the mets faultered last year and will most likely do the same this year. NO accountability, no calling out of un-inspired, lifeless play.
That comment basically equates to- well everyone else is doing it so what is the big deal….what kind of expectations or performances will the organization have with that kind of approach/mind-frame…. I don’t understand, that is not the talk of winners and I’m afraid its rubbing off on our own Matt Cerrone.
so they need to get rid of ollie this offseason. there is no chance in h..l that he wins 10 games this year. And Delgado, despite his hit today must go as well. For many reasons. If anyone truly believes that this guy will even come close to hitting even 20 HR’s this season, you are nuts. Boy would it be nice to have Nady. Very frustrating game, gonna be a LONG weekend in the desert
Compare this years 5 game start with last years 5 game start and your not too far off. I think we are still looking at an 15-10 3.50 era starter which is gold in my opinion. Give him a chance. I do agree with you on Delgado, he appears to be done. Stay positive dude!
Fabulous analysis. AT the current horrible pace, Delgado would be expected to squeak out 18HR and 72RBI, off from last year, definitely. Now lemme look up X-man’s 2007 stats. 20HR and 72RBI. Careful what you ask for.
Also, thanks for predicting that my weekend will suck.
of course Nady is being paid a fraction of what Delgado is. and he hit .313 with RISP compared to Delgado’s .212 and .397 with RISP and 2 outs, compared to Delgado’s robust .187. I’m fine with less homers and rbis if it means more clutch hits and less rally killing.
Gina’s on fire today. Gina as Willie’s replacement!!!
maybe this team needs to worry less about what the fans are doing and more about what the players are doing.
so did the other teams figure out that sosa only has one pitch or something?
I think they figured out he throws two pitches, but since they’re thrown at the same speed it doesnt really matter.
Plain and simple – the Mets got reamed! I mean creamed!
Yes we’re playing like crap, look bored and uninterested…just cashing our big check but we’re still in first place…OH WAIT, that was last year. Okay this year we’ll blame our poor performances on THE FANS BOOING…yeah the fans booing have upset us, we don’t like the fans , they boo us,. Just because their paying their hard earned money they think that gives them a right to voice their displeasure…the nerve of these stiffs…they’re lucky we let them in to watch us…don’t they know who we are…can’t they tell by our salaries how good we are…ungrateful SOB’s. Thank God we’ll have less of these fans next year in citi-field then maybe they appreciate what we do?
Willie is wonderful
Omar is wonderful
ITS ALL THE FANS FAULT
P
ditto
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
its time for willie to either lite a fire under their butts or leave.
we need a no nonsense mgr!
maybe the 2008 amatuer draft will be a good one for the mets!
You think Frank Robinson would put up with this crap? I don’t.
fundamentally the mets are not good[what happened to luis castillo? 2 errors? one thing i know is jose reyes will probably not lead the league in steals this year.
This team looks as lackadaisacal and uncaring as it did last season. Its reflection of the players but the manager. Who on this team shows real fire? Besides Reyes, Wright and Wagner….no one…..its time to not only realize they are going no where but nesd some real change…say goodbye to castillo, Alou….and randoph and bring in a manager with some fire and some players with the same….
i agree this team has not looked good since the collapse they took last year. Willie is not the right fit.Who is ? i dont know but there has to be somebody out there.
How about john stearns?fiery player in his time.
didnt take any crap as a player[ i remember him leaving the dugout to fight with the entire montreal expos team when mike jorgensen got hit with a pitch!]
Losing to Pittsburgh?
It’s as easy as 1-2-3 (runs, hits, errors)
Couple of points on Willie:
1) Why i she percieved as some sor tof mythical “winner” at baseball (that is, he has won before, so he should be expected to win again since “he knows how”? He happened to be a relatively complimnetary player on some teams that were wining without him, and maybe gys like Reggie and Hunter had a little bit to do with it?
Also, by that definition, Luis Sojo is a “winner” and Don Mattingly is a “loser” at baseball (hey, just count the rings, right?)
There are tons of great ball players, that play the game hard and the right way, that just happened to be on bad teams. Doesn’t mean they wouldn’t make great managers!
Actually, I think someone that wasn’t always on a great team is better suited, since they know what it feels like to lose, and will bust their butt to avoid it!
2) WIllie won’t be fired after the year. IIRC< his contract only runs through this season, so he just won’t be offered a new one. Almost, but not quite, being fired!
Unfortunately willie is signed through next year. I believe the extension they gave him was for three years. It doesn’t matter they must fire him and eat the rest of his contract.