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According to the Associated Press, RHP 
Derrick Turnbow has been designated for assignment by the Brewers.
Turnbow, an All-Star closer in 2006, is 0-1 with a 15.63 ERA in eight games this season.
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Having Turnblow lose games in the seventh would take a lot of attention off Heilman.
HA! HA! The Mets should weigh their options. LOL. Score!
Formerly dominant…home run prone…head case…He’ll fit right in.
What are we waiting for? Omar, you grab the coffin, I’ll get the nails.
You missed “Throws hard, just can’t find the Strikezone”
Classic “Peterson Project”.
Is it me, or do guys rise and fall with the tide lately. I don’t remember this happening as drastically in the past. It always seemed like if a guy was good, he was good. If he wasn’t, he wasn’t. You knew what you were getting. Now, a guy can be an all star for a year or two, then turn into garbage (see Zito, Turnbow, Gagne, etc.) What is going on? I guess it could have something to do with the juice.
Three letters my friend…H-G-H! You hit the nail on the head.
steroids and amphetamines helped, im sure.
Turnbow tested positive for roids in olympic qualifying a few years back. He wasn’t suspended because it wasn’t an MLB test. Must be off of them now
I think it has to do with the way pitchers are used. No longer are there “mop up guys.” Pitching is stretched so thin with 12 man staffs that some pitchers can look great due to small sample sizes when in fact they are not.
If you went back to a ten man staff and demanded more of your starters, you’d see the good relievers remaining good.
This is a personal crusade of mine: to get teams back to demanding more of their starters. This reliance on bullpen is ruining the game!
Good point.
There’s more impatience today. Teams used to give players more than 12 IP or 50 AB to pass judgment. More patience = larger sample size = more predictable performance. Guys would go from good to not-so-good, not good to god-awful.
Turnbow’s terrible. One good year (60 good IP) in a sub-par career. Having said that, no way he pitches a full season to a 10+ ERA.
Better example: Aaron Heilman. If the Mets gave up on him 5 days ago, he would have left with an ERA of almost 6.50. It’s dropped a point already. Where will he wind up? I personally think he’ll turn it around and finish around 3.50. But even if you disagree, I think we all realize it’s unlikely he’d pitch a full season to a 5+ ERA.
HGH has nothing to do with it. Although I know Turnbow was a user of something, I doubt this is the problem. He still throws hard.
The reason it seems more now than in the past is the way the bullpens are used. You have 7 to 8 guys in each bullpen now. Back in the 80s you had 5 guys. That means you have two extra guys. This dilutes the pitching pool.
Plus, guys roles change more now. They move from 7th inning guy to 8th inning guy to closer and back again. Years ago, the pitchers weren’t so much lefty specialists etc. They pitched a whole inning or two. That meant they had to have stuff good enough to pitch against righties and lefties. They were better then.
not to mention, many guys who would be good relievers back then, are now marginal starters because the pool of starting pitchers is stretched thin as well.
Anyone who has three good pitches is going to be a starter, making relievers less capable of retiring guys from both sides of the plate.
Just goes to show how quickly a dominant reliever can turn into a bum.
especially when the HGH supply runs out…
Sosa for Turnbow, straight up. Let’s do it. Give him the Petersen treatment.
Does the Peterson treatment include daily injections of HGH? If it doesn’t, I would have to pass.
Yet, Mota prospers there. Go figure.
these are the guys you need to look at when they become available because in the offseason, your bullpen guys go for 3 years and $9M. if you see a guy at the scrapheap, you look for him to see if maybe a change of scenery may help. you watch the tape and try to see something that no one else has seen. if you think it is worth the chance, you go for it. if not, you are stuck with the team you put together in the offeason which as far as the bullpen is concerned is failing pretty bad now.
Everyone needs to read Marchman’s column in the NY Sun today…. a must read.
It’s a GREAT article and frankly, 100% accurate!
I read it. Sorry, but it’s a piece of crap.
How is it that a guy who sounds like Joe First-Time-Caller-Long-Time-Listener has a column in a daily paper?
I don’t care what you think of Willie; if you’re using a hack piece like that in support of your opinion, you cannot be taken seriously.
More importantly, I can’t believe this site has pop-ups now. Weak Matt!!!
I don’t get popups.
I think you can accredit those to your late night porn viewing and not metsblog…
touche zer09, touche….. although I am at work….
I do feel bad for Turnbow. I actually went to Derrick Turnbow bobble head night at Miller Park a couple of years ago. I think he blew that game, and the wheels started coming off soon after. He was a true fan favorite for quite a while, but man, his game is gone.
I was actually at that game too. I checked this morning and that really is the date that his career went downhill. He was coming off an amazing 2005 season (39 saves 1.74 ERA) and was 12 for 12 in save opportunities up until then with a 1.35 ERA befor that game. He got the loss, the had a blown save the next day against the Mets then finished the season with a 6.87 ERA with 8 blown saves and 9 losses. Kind of ironic that everything fell apart for him starting with his bobblehead night.
He was on another team (the dodgers, perhaps) and they dumped him when he tested positive for roids. The brewers picked him up and he did well for a while, but never really worked. He’s always had control problems and when he does, his flat fastball would get rocked.
This is the same guy that had like 50 saves one season for the Brewers.
he had been with the angels organization prior to the brewers
The Mets should sign him and send him to Nawlins so he can close for his former teammate Claudio Vargas. Are there any other former Brewer pitchers out there the Mets could pick up? When the Brew Crew come to Shea I have bad flashbacks when Mike Maddux goes to the mound to talk to the pitcher. Bad things usually happend for the Mets when he was on the mound.
I think Teddy Higuera and Moose Haas are both available.
I read Marchman’s article. No doubt is Willie on the hot seat this year, but it is ridiculous to even consider firing him. His team is 14-12 and tied for first (in losses). He has had injuries to his number 2 starter, his starting left fielder (and most consistent run producer) has yet to play an inning. His starting catcher has missed significant time. His backup has yet to play an inning. I can go on…
To even consider firing him now, in light of all that, means you should have just done it after the 2007 season. You (Omar and Co.) made the decision to stick with him going into the season. It’s just ridiculous that after that with a winning record and being tied for first, to consider it. Not even Steinbrennar in his heyday would do that.. Of course you have to reassess it sometime before the all-star break, but not now. Maybe at the end of May
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Stop with the ‘we’re in first place’ crap… It’s clear that for the talent level on this team, they are underachieving yet again…
Last year was sunshine and roses because ‘we were in first place’… Yeah, and at the end of the season, where were we? Home.
Totally agree. The record may be over .500 but this team wasn’t built to be a .500 team. It’s not enough to be in first place right now. Phillies are playing without Rollins, Braves have their rotation destroyed and we can’t get a few games ahead…despicable…
I don’t want to hear excusses about the Phillies playing without Rollins. That’s like saying we are playing without Alou or Pedro or Elduque or Schneider or Castro or the Old Delgado and Reyes.
Facts
Injuries happen
The Phillies have played the 14th easiest schedule in the NL followed by the Marlins and Braves.
To say that this team was not built to be more than a .500 team is just wrong.
This team based on talent level should be 17-9 thus far… That would put them 3 up in the loss column… That’s starting to put some distance between you and your competitors early…
But based on their easy schedules the Braves and Phillies should be even better. They have had the weakes schedules in the MLB besides KC.
While I agree that we are not perfoming at the level we should, his point is still vaild and deserves some respect. There is no GM that will fire a guy who has a winning record and is leading the division. Especially not Wilpon.
so then why isn’t Charlie Manuel fired yet? The point is that it is early and they have a winning record, which is more than can be said for a lot of teams with high expectation. Not sure if you are aware, but there is 162 games in a season. They are on pace to win 87 games. Granted, they should win more than that, but they should improve on that when Alou and Pedro are back. Sanchez is a legit option again. Not to mention they are 12-7 against the NL east. Let’s all relax a little bit
i am not paying attention to the willie opinion of anyone who uses phrases like “tied for first place in losses”
hmm, is my IP address banned from posting on this board or something?
What gives…
You just poted this, so I guess not…
Ahh, there goes — Derrick Turnbow stinks….no need to add another Danny Graves, or Guillermo Mota.
No thanks.
we’re in second place right now.Phillies are in 1st
but the Mets have the fewest losses in the division. 2nd place by one view and first place by another view. when it coems down to it, everyone will play 162 games (at least) and we’ll see what happens.
phils have more losses… generally considered a “worse” place to be in.
you can always win more games, can’t “un-lose” them
this…is..non…sense…CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP
you can’t un-win games you’ve already won
88-74 probably wins the east this year. I think its gonna be who wants it more.
According to the Associated Press, RHP Jorge Sosa has been designated for assignment by the Mets.
Please?
dailynews says that Wise would not be activated so who would replace Sosa? I think this report is not accurate
u serious?
We are getting a little ahead of ourselves here.
Remember this team was terrible last year and was still in contention and damn near ran away from the pack if not for the event -which- must- not- be- named.
This team that had NO fifth starter, and had no offensive production outside of Wright and Beltran, who was carried for two weeks after the all-star break by LASTINGS MILLEDGE was still on its way to winning the division.
Now what does that say? Its says that the rest of this division SUCKS! The Phillies and the Braves are not even near what has been advertised. The Braves may have a stellar bullpen when Smoltz and Mike Gonzalez returns but their rotation will have
Hudson, who has mysteriously lost velocity in two starts, Glavine, Jurrjens, Carlyle, Bennett or Reyes. YAWN!
The Phillies have no rotation and the bottom 4 of their lineup only hits Met pitching.
One of these teams need to make a move but none of them have player to move. The Braves could have moves Schaffer, their top prospect, but he got caught with HGH. the Phillies don’t have a prospect better than Fernando Martinez and with or without HGH Schaffer isn’t rated better than Martinez. Heck, the Phillies don’t have a prospect better than Niese or Carp right now in my eyes.
The bottomline is that the Mets still have the talent to run away and they will get their chance to do so. Alou is back this weekend. Pedro will be back before Phil Hughes will and if Castro is out Casanova is decent.
The mental makeup is a different story. It seems like these players expect a decent record to expunge their faults from last year. It won’t. They are 4-2 vs. the Phillies and 2-3 vs the Braves and yet it doesn’t settle me. I think thats MY issue. I don’t trust the Mets but I know that they are more than able to take this League.
It is possible that the team may need a change in managers. But if they go after a Showalter or a Larry Bowa, I can’t say I would feel any different because the managers that are available haven’t proven they can win World Series. They are just Willie Randolphs with different philosophies.
Personally, Larry Bowa might make me vomit and Showalter is a Yankee. He and Bob Watson are responsible for the Yankee success and I don’t like either.
That said. Here is my plea to my fellow Met diehards.
Give this team 50-70 games before we determine who they truly are as a team. Clearly RF and C has been upgraded from last season. Our bench is better with Chavez and Pagan. We have a chance to have Alou and Pedro for the majority of the season. Billy Wagner is lights-out. The emergence or Ryan Church could push Delgado to seventh in the order for crying out loud!!! DELGADO COULD HIT SEVENTH!!!
Much is left to determine. Will Mat wise push Heilman to the 5th inning? Will Show continue to make up for last year? Sanchez is back and Eddie Kunz continues to perform in the minors and we could see him in the pen in August.
A lot could go wrong and a lot could go right. But right now we’ve played terrible and we are 14-12. Lets see what they are made of over the next two months before we jump off the bridge because neither the Braves or the Phillies are good enough to run away with this division while we struggle.
mmhmm. and all this could happen and we’d have a savage first round beating from arizona to show for it.
Hey, nothing is for certain in the playoffs. The Mets play very well in Arizona and our pitching matches up well with them. It would be a very good series.