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In a recap of the Yankees win over the Mariners yesterday, Shysterball writes:
For those of you who have lost your mid-90s-Mets/2008 Yankees pitching prospect translation key, it goes something like this: (a) Phil Hughes is to Darrell Rasner as Jason Isringhausen is to Rick Reed; and (b) Ian Kennedy is to Kei Igawa as Bill Pulispher is to Brian Bohanon.
…that’’s great…by the way, if you are unaware, Yankeeland is using the term Generation Tre, to label Joba Chamberlain, Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy
…thanks to Ron for the link…
Dear God, I just got knocked off my seat from nostalgia.
Brian Bohanon
Wow.
huh?
Haha Generation Tre. So lame.
You’d think they’d learn not to use the word ‘Generation’ at all.
i dont get the tre…
its the SATs all over again and the analogy section, dog is to cat as oranges are to….
(a) Apple
(b) Banana
(c) Grapefruit
(d) Steak
its gotta be (d) steak, it just fits in prefectly
rick reed and brian bohanon did not come up as mets and didnt pitch for them until they were each almost 30. this analogy makes no sense.
Yeah, that what I was thinking. kinda.
It makes perfect sense. Each replaced a “generation-k” pitcher, just like the skankees are having their “generation-tre” pitchers replaced…
As for my personal opinion, I hope the Yankees enjoy the same success next 5 years as the Mets did with their young trio….
I agree…there is no real analogy here…Izzy was awesome his first go-round, if i remember correct he had a sub 3 era and went 9-2 or something…Hughes and Kennedy have both failed to show if they can handle themselves up in the big leagues
Generation Meh
Meh
If it’s ‘Generation Tre’ then the ‘Tre’ must be for third place, where the Yankees will be lucky to finish with their current starting pitching.
Ha, well put.
Generation Tre, as in “Should have tre-ded them for Santana when we had the chance.”
Good one!
Related to pitching……
Bannister….3 straight L’s
so would you rather have him over pelfrey? i think everyone here would say yes
i would say no. rather have pelfrey. maybe just maybe, the al temas have enough video on bannister and have made the necessary adjustments. pitchers like bannister have little margin for error as they don’t have the stuff to bail them out so they better have great control which bannister doesn’t seem to have either. see ian kennedy.
Are you kidding? And not get to gaze at that beautiful mouthpiece every five days? C’mon!
2 of which were certainly bad starts. One was a 2-0 lose to CLEV.
It’s was a crap trade. And you would take him on this Mets rotation in a heartbeat.
Or maybe he is what he is…….a end of the rotation starter….which yes, we would love to have right now.
However, at the time….we had a surplus of those, and traded him for a young bullpen arm with a plus arm.
I don’t think I would have flipped him for Burgos, personally….but I am not blown away by Brian Bannister.
And I just brought it up because it’s only fair that after he had 2 great games, people were ready to rename the Cy Young award after this guy…..and it’s been quiet since he’s gotten rocked twice…..
Still, he has an ERA about a quarter of a run lower than the league average.
People who say they’d take Pelfrey over Bannister at this point are either idiots or in complete denial (or both).
Yes, and I’d rather have Haren and Webb than Santana or Kyle Loshe than Oliver Perez……….easy when you look at things based on stats ‘right now’.
so metsfan119:
are you going to back that statement with facts or was that your entry for the loudmouth of the day award?
Funny thing about that is people yell and scream with every win. But then when he posts and “L”, you could hear a pin drop.
Ain’t that right Mikey? Dog?
I’ve also heard them call themselves “The Three Amigos”
we ride
we fight we love
Looks to me like Joba will be legit, Phil Hughs should be thrown into the bullpen because he’s going to be the next Kerry Wood, and Ian Kennedy should have been traded for Santana.
I can think of a more appropriate name for the Yankee trio that rhymes with Generation K.
But I’m fairly certain it would be deleted.
“While you may have heard that Yankees Joba Chamberlain, Tyler Clippard, Ian Kennedy and Jeff Karstens were hanging at The Plumm last week celebrating Joba’s 22nd birthday, the best part was left out: The fellas were having such a good time, they took turns giving each other lap dances.”
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I’ve been laughing pretty hard again over their reluctance to trade freaking Ian Kennedy.
Honestly, I don’t know what the hype over Kennedy was about in the first place. He’s never really been dominant, never had knock-out stuff.
Hughes, on the other hand, will likely be good if he can stay on the field. Either way, he’s not ready now, and the Yankees made a serious error if they thought that a rotation with Hughes, Kennedy, and an old Mussina would win them enough games to make the playoffs. Their pitching staff as a whole is garbage, outside of Chamberlain, Rivera, Wang, and Pettite. Look for them to make trades at the deadline.
Thank you God for having this blow up in the Yankees face
Let’s not gloat. Let’s worry about our team.
Agreed…I hate the Phillies and Braves way more than the Yanks. Don’t really care about the Yanks.
If you look at Cashman’s situation, making mistakes on guys like Kevin Brown, LeTroy Hawkins, Farnsworth, and on and on and on, I guess his last stand was to show that he was going to save ownership money, not go out and pay a zillion dollars for one guy, and build pitching from within. Any team besides the Skanks would be crippled financially for years with some of the mistakes Cashman has made.
The shoe is finally on the other foot!
Love seeing the Yankees suffer, however it still makes me mad when people say the Stanks should have traded for Santana. Dudes, Santana WANTED TO BE A MET!! get over it, not everyone wants to play for the yanks or can have money just thrown at them to make them come to evil empire
Agreed, but I feel if they forked over those prized pitching prospects, the trade would have gone through, and I doubt Santana would have let his desire to be a Met get in the way of Steinbrenner’s money when attempting to work over an extension.
Santana could “want” to be a Seattle Mariner for all I care. But he is a Met and that’s all that matters. It would be a sad state of affairs this year if we didn’t get him.
How about a little praise for Omar and keeping the #1 prospect while trading for an ace.
The dude on the right (Bohanon I think) looks a lot like Pelfrey.
ahem… that’s Jason Isringhausen.
Sorry, I thought that was him but I thought the caption read “Bohanon”.
Joba Chamberlain = Jason Isringhausen
Phil Hughes = Paul Wilson
Ian Kennedy = Bill Pulsipher
I would agree with this. Chamberlain can be a dominant closer, but the Yankees are babying his arm to the point where he’ll have little to no elasticity and it’ll take forever to stretch him out back into a starting role. The Mets took the exact opposite approach to Izzy, trashing his arm at first, but then they started pitching him out of the bullpen and he started having trouble getting that elasticity back.
Hughes (like Paul Wilson) probably has the most raw talent of the trio. But he also seems to be the most injury-prone. If he can ever get over his injuries, I do believe he will shape up to be a front of the rotation starter. But by that time, who knows? The Yankees may even have given up on him by then, much like us with Wilson and him pitching very well with Cincinnati.
Kennedy, like Pulsipher, almost seems to be thrown into the mix to make it a trio of “future stars.” A marketing thing. This is also a little like the Braves raving about their “four aces” in the early-mid 1990’s: Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz…and Steve Avery. Kennedy’s mechanics aren’t particularly good. He pitched well, but his pitch movement is more reminiscent of just a generic above average finesse pitcher in his prime rather than Maddux or Glavine in their primes as the Yank fans love raving about. His ceiling is nowhere near as high as is tabbed.