Comments on: Note: Ryan Church is a Good Player http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 22 Nov 2009 06:15:16 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: wrightstuff08 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-156039 wrightstuff08 Mon, 05 May 2008 22:09:02 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-156039 i dont think the real problem here is trading away Milledge for two established players. The real problem is that the Mets scouting system sucks, which will come back to bite them in the ass. I think the Mets need to find some better scouts to assess talent especially with 3 top draft picks coming our way in June. i dont think the real problem here is trading away Milledge for two established players. The real problem is that the Mets scouting system sucks, which will come back to bite them in the ass. I think the Mets need to find some better scouts to assess talent especially with 3 top draft picks coming our way in June.

]]> By: Cactus http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-156005 Cactus Mon, 05 May 2008 20:52:34 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-156005 If it's about who the better player is right now, when expectations are high, how do you trade Brian Bannister (who was good enough to be the 4th starter to start 2006) for a project reliever in Burgos last year when the team is in dire need of starting pitching? You can find a million ways to defend things - one way one year, the other way the next. Bottom line is you don't trade a better player because you don't like his rap albums or whatever. Which is the real reason, because projection-wise, Church and Milledge are very similar for even this year. Long term, Milledge projects to be significantly better. If it’s about who the better player is right now, when expectations are high, how do you trade Brian Bannister (who was good enough to be the 4th starter to start 2006) for a project reliever in Burgos last year when the team is in dire need of starting pitching?

You can find a million ways to defend things – one way one year, the other way the next.

Bottom line is you don’t trade a better player because you don’t like his rap albums or whatever. Which is the real reason, because projection-wise, Church and Milledge are very similar for even this year. Long term, Milledge projects to be significantly better.

]]> By: gometzies_18 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-155880 gometzies_18 Mon, 05 May 2008 18:05:45 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-155880 I liked this trade when it went down for the reasons Matt said - this is a team that is built to win now, and I was never crazy about Lastings and his attitude anyway. My only concern at the time was that without Milledge, we would be unable to get a guy like Santana. Clearly, that was not a problem.... Just think if Matt had posted this poll right after the end of last season: Would you trade Lastings Milledge, Carlos Gomez, Phil Humber and two no-names for Johan Santana, Ryan Church and Brian Schneider? I liked this trade when it went down for the reasons Matt said – this is a team that is built to win now, and I was never crazy about Lastings and his attitude anyway.

My only concern at the time was that without Milledge, we would be unable to get a guy like Santana. Clearly, that was not a problem….

Just think if Matt had posted this poll right after the end of last season:

Would you trade Lastings Milledge, Carlos Gomez, Phil Humber and two no-names for Johan Santana, Ryan Church and Brian Schneider?

]]> By: Danny http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-155862 Danny Mon, 05 May 2008 17:41:08 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-155862 It's a slippery slope though, darkstar. I'm not killing the move, just suggesting that the lack of development of players in the Mets organization is rather troubling and a sign of bad things to come. We are VERY fortunate to have the resources to make up for our inadequacy in this area. Of course, if we were better at it, we could rule the NL. It’s a slippery slope though, darkstar. I’m not killing the move, just suggesting that the lack of development of players in the Mets organization is rather troubling and a sign of bad things to come.

We are VERY fortunate to have the resources to make up for our inadequacy in this area. Of course, if we were better at it, we could rule the NL.

]]> By: Sasseroni http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-155820 Sasseroni Mon, 05 May 2008 16:48:40 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-155820 I think it was a good trade for both sides. Lastings needed to get out of NY, they were never going to give him a a real chance under Willie/Omar, and they got back a solid veteran bat who's in his prime to replace the ancient Shawn Green. I think Lastings has a chance for a nice career, but I doubt he's anything more than a good starting CF in the .280/20/80 range overall. The Mets might regret it come 2010-2011, but they have to play for now considering everything. I think it was a good trade for both sides. Lastings needed to get out of NY, they were never going to give him a a real chance under Willie/Omar, and they got back a solid veteran bat who’s in his prime to replace the ancient Shawn Green.

I think Lastings has a chance for a nice career, but I doubt he’s anything more than a good starting CF in the .280/20/80 range overall. The Mets might regret it come 2010-2011, but they have to play for now considering everything.

]]> By: Dirtysanchez http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-155758 Dirtysanchez Mon, 05 May 2008 15:49:47 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-155758 well said darkstar well said darkstar

]]> By: metsrule7 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-155743 metsrule7 Mon, 05 May 2008 15:31:02 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-155743 Exactly, if the Mets win the world series in the next couple years than know one will even care about this trade. With our aging vets in Alou, Delgado, Pedro, El Duque, etc, the mets couldn't afford to wait for Milledge to develop, they had to put together a team that can win now and church and Schneider give them the best chance to advance thru the playoffs this year and next year. Milledge can be a 10 time all-star in a couple years but that doesn't help us TODAY! Exactly, if the Mets win the world series in the next couple years than know one will even care about this trade. With our aging vets in Alou, Delgado, Pedro, El Duque, etc, the mets couldn’t afford to wait for Milledge to develop, they had to put together a team that can win now and church and Schneider give them the best chance to advance thru the playoffs this year and next year. Milledge can be a 10 time all-star in a couple years but that doesn’t help us TODAY!

]]> By: shytownmet http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-155740 shytownmet Mon, 05 May 2008 15:27:57 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-155740 let's not get carried away...he's lucky he threw him out...he wasn't even backing up on the play.....check the video. if he was safe at 3rd, thats all we'd be talking about.. fundamentals, the little things...its what this team needs get back in focus let’s not get carried away…he’s lucky he threw him out…he wasn’t even backing up on the play…..check the video. if he was safe at 3rd, thats all we’d be talking about..

fundamentals, the little things…its what this team needs get back in focus

]]> By: darkstar73 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-155715 darkstar73 Mon, 05 May 2008 15:00:04 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-155715 except we turned Milledge into 2 starting players, one young enough that he could be around for a while and be a major contributor. Milledge may still turn out to be a good player, no one's saying he won't, but this trade WAS about this year. The Mets needed to win this year or at least be competitive after last year, the fans demanded that, and this trade helps that. You say you want to keep young players, but when you do that, you're team isn't as good, like it wouldn't be this year, and then all the fans would be calling for Omar's head for putting together a not good enough team. That's just how it is man. Milledge has already proven in DC he hasn't really grown up and having that kind of problem on a team with postseason aspirations just won't fly. It's not about Milledge being a better player in 5 years. In 5 years, we could have an even better player, who isn't Church, on this team, so who cares. except we turned Milledge into 2 starting players, one young enough that he could be around for a while and be a major contributor. Milledge may still turn out to be a good player, no one’s saying he won’t, but this trade WAS about this year. The Mets needed to win this year or at least be competitive after last year, the fans demanded that, and this trade helps that. You say you want to keep young players, but when you do that, you’re team isn’t as good, like it wouldn’t be this year, and then all the fans would be calling for Omar’s head for putting together a not good enough team. That’s just how it is man. Milledge has already proven in DC he hasn’t really grown up and having that kind of problem on a team with postseason aspirations just won’t fly. It’s not about Milledge being a better player in 5 years. In 5 years, we could have an even better player, who isn’t Church, on this team, so who cares.

]]> By: Danny http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-155660 Danny Mon, 05 May 2008 13:44:16 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/05/note-ryan-church-is-a-good-player/#comment-155660 It's not that these moves should never be made, it's that it's the only type of moves that the Mets seem to make. Anyone can figure out that Wright and Reyes should be placed in the lineup as young guys and left alone. They are the most elite of all prospects. Who else have the Mets developed as a position player? We simply need to get better at developing and integrating young players. The whole team doesn't have to be young, but we should be able to work a young player like Milledge into the lineup and not miss a beat with our payroll. It’s not that these moves should never be made, it’s that it’s the only type of moves that the Mets seem to make. Anyone can figure out that Wright and Reyes should be placed in the lineup as young guys and left alone. They are the most elite of all prospects. Who else have the Mets developed as a position player?

We simply need to get better at developing and integrating young players. The whole team doesn’t have to be young, but we should be able to work a young player like Milledge into the lineup and not miss a beat with our payroll.

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