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The Game:
The Mets (16-13) continue their west coast road trip with a three-games series versus the Dodgers (17-14) tonight at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles, game at 10:10 pm EST.
The Lineup:
- SS Jose Reyes
- RF Ryan Church
- 3B David Wright
- CF Carlos Beltran
- LF Moises Alou
- 1B Carlos Delgado
- C Brian Schneider
- 2B Luis Castillo
- P Oliver Perez
The Pitchers:
LHP Oliver Perez (2-2, 4.03 ERA) toes the rubber for the Mets. In his last start on April 30 versus the Pirates, Perez allowed a season high seven runs, two earned, on two hits and five walks while striking out two, earning a loss. Left-handed batters are hitting .083 (2-for-24) against Perez this season. Perez is 5-4 with a 3.53 ERA in 10 career starts versus the Dodgers.
RHP Chad Billingsley (1-4, 5.20 ERA) starts for the Dodgers. Billingsley earned a win in his last outing on April 30 versus the Marlins allowing one ru on three hits while walking four and striking out eight. Left-handed batters are hitting .300 against Billingsley this season. This is Billingsley’s first career start versus the Mets.
…i have no idea what to expect out of perez tonight…after looking erratic in his last two outings it’s possible ollie could go out and throw seven shutout innings, looking dominate doing so…i mean, thats how inconsistent he is from start to start…you never know what you’re gonna get with him…let’s hope it’s the “good” ollie tonight…
The Notes:
David Wright is batting .404 (21-for-52) with 1 HR and 13 RBI in his career at Dodger Stadium.
Ryan Church is 22-for-57 (.386) with 2 2B, 2 HR, 12 RBI and 13 runs scored on the road this season.
The Dodgers are 10-3 since April 21, batting .314 and averaging 7.23 runs per game.
Jeff Kent is batting .348 with 1 HR and 4 RBI in 23 career at-bats versus Perez.
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…enjoy, and as always, Let’s Go Mets…
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I’m taking a polaroid of that lineup. I figure we won’t see it that often, but it’s perfect.
Well, 1-8 is perfect. We should wait and see which guy shows up in the 9-slot.
Brian Schneider catching? Would be interesting if that helped Ollie find his better self tonight! All we can do is cross our fingers but… I’m just saying
EVERYBODY CLAP YOUR HANDS!
Let Go Mets!
40K’s in 27.1 innings for Billingsly is scary to me… hes no joke..
And he has a 5.20 era = 8.0IP 0ER effort against the mets.
1. A slow start does not mean he is bad. Check the stats from his last game.
2. Check his stats from last year.
3. Anyone that K’s 40 in 27.1 IP has potential to be lights out on a given night.
What’s up with the B-lineup Willie?
On the SNY pregame they showed a graphic that David Wright is hitting .461 against the Dodgers in 23 games.
“willie’s finally playing with a full deck”
classic
ive got billingsley in my fantasy league and i am torn abt whether or not i should start him, 4 other guys started tonight, era of .80 w 28 Ks…so its only likely to hurt me if i start Chad….but i kno if i sit him, he will pitch a gem w 12Ks..oh the trouble of starting pitchers vs your fave team
As much as I hate to do it, I’m starting Chad Billingsly on my team. The fact that he was lights out his last start, we are 1-8 vs. righties, and vegas has the Dodgers as big favorites tonight makes me pretty confident that the mets will lose.
Yet I gotta say, LETS GO METS!
i did it, started chad, here we go, hoping for a pitches duel lol
This is why I hate fantasy sports.
We aren’t 3 minutes into the game and he brings up September.
Who did? I missed it? (sometimes I zone into the game and can’t hear the commentary)
Okay Ollie, don’t piss off Wagner tonight, that’s all I ask…
Wagner is not pleased.
Steve Sanders.
An 0-2 homer to a guy who’s as big as my niece. Good start Ollie
lolll
giving up homeruns on 0-2 pitches is unforgiveable.
i feel like our pitchers give up a ton more HR then other staffs
i know it feels like that because we hit so few
here we go again……………
At least he’s not walking people
ready for new orleans
wow……………………….whadathrow
ouch
I love Jeff Kent, I wish he decided to get good with the Mets.
talk about a target lol hope he was wearing a cup lol
is it just me or has perez’s velocity been down since all-star break of last year?
ahaha maybe this will knowck back into form
Looks like we came to play tonight. I’m so glad Matt waited for the 2 wins in AZ for the Willie poll…maybe now he can get that positive feedback he’s been waiting for…
Why not just drop the poll altogether at this point? Even Willie’s biggest supporters know that the polls will only be taken/posted when the Mets win a big series. If the polls were done fairly, I would have probably given him a six or seven, instead I gave him a one, because I took the disappearing one into account. You can’t just do a poll when things are going well and expect it to be balanced.
Wow…i gave him a 3. I should have given him a 1 to balance it out the 10s.
No passed balls Schneider
Has anything been hit soft yet?
Jesus Perez has gotten beaten up (literally) this year.
And “Jumping on him for a quick duece” was one of the funniest unintentional commentaries I’ve heard in some time.
Look on the bright side, at least this the last year of Perez’s contract rather than the first.
theres no way perez will be back next year….
so…..lol new poll how many innings will OP go
3 1/3
You know Wagner is in Ollie’s head tonight
looks like bad Ollie tonight.
At this point, I don’t care how he is doing, he needs to stay out there and take one for the team. He can give up 12 runs and still needs to suck it up and mope out there and pitch.
I’m almost starting to think it would be OK for the Stankees to wildly overpay for this guy!
The Yanks will go after much bigger fish than this guy
Can we have a Rick Peterson confidence poll?
We’ll get one after someone throws a no-hitter.
good point
I actually think the opposite is true. I’m starting to get the feeling that if the Mets do continue to strugge (aside from the AZ series), Peterson will become the scapegoat.
What a pleasure to hear Scully after so many unprofessional, homer, hackish morons in booths for the Nats, Fish, D-Bags, etc. Amazing he still does it well at his age…even more remarkable he is being simulcast on radio….so he really paints the word-picture” a la Bob Murphy and the other old time greats.
I was thinking the exact thing – I wish I could get the SNY broadcast on MLB.TV for all the games, but I was excited to hear Scully do a game. Amazing to think how long hes been the cream of the crop.
This is starting to smell like one of those games that gets out of hand early. May be getting to bed early after all tonight!
Offense better show some life early.
It’s a catch 22 with this guy, he either sucks and the Mets will want no part of him this off-season or he pitches great and the Mets won’t overpay.
Look at the positive, atleast he didn’t walk anyone to help them along. I’d rather see the HRs than him walking anymore people.
Happy for the hit, but still, can we take some pitches from this guy?
fine we are down 2-0 and it happens all the time. the big thing that has to happen now is ollie needs to bounce back.
Mets have started to gain some momentum, facing a pitcher who has struggled but has great stuff, sprinkle in a little Oliver Perez, I think we know where this game is going…
30 game hitting streak………that would be nice right about now
great hit delgado
delgado is alive lol
DAMN I wanted Beltran to score, wow, Delgado has woken up lately
Bring back Cookie Rojas, this game should be 2-1
Manny Acta was pretty good over there…
Sh&^ of course they blow the opportunity
terrible move by sandy alomar..bottom of the order coming up you have to take the chance and send beltran this early in the game
damn………..good pitch
I have a feeling this game will end somewhere around 2am. This has 2am written all over it.
If Castillo gets out this will be the most typical mets inning ever.
typical…
should’ve sent beltran…
haha. He’d only send Beltran if he was going for the cycle.
Didn’t know Vin Skully does solo. Thought he had an analyst with him.
I think I have seen him do it both ways, but more often solo. It is a lot of talking, but he is being simulcast on radio and is still pretty sharp for a guy that will be 81 this fall.
His call of the Mookie/Buckner play in Game 6 is my ringtone.
This is why Schneider cannot be a longterm option hitting 7th. A .235 hitter last year hitting 7th doesn’t bode well for this team. I still think the lineup is better balanced with Castillo 2nd, Church somewhere in the middle and Delgado 7th.
except, castillo is terrible
Yea career .300 hitters are typically awful.
He’s not the same player. Too many surgeries.
We know Castillo is not the same player based on what evidence? Last season he hit .300. So we’re using 29 games to decide that a player is no longer what he used to be?
first of all: i am not impressed with a totally hollow .300 hitter with no isolated power whatsoever.
also: every at bat is the same with this guy. no aggression, constantly looking for a walk (which is normally good, but what pitcher would walk this guy), and then a weak ground ball. what about castillo strikes any of you as a useful hitter?
your retarded
LOL!
“your retarded” is one of the most unintentionally funny things I’ve seen posted here! :)
haha proper english would be ‘you’re retarded.” clearly, you proved who the retard is.
wtf was that…………..
typical….
Great job Alomar….dumbass
Ya, I would have sent him there from third.
Although, you need Schneider to at least make contact there……
but on the other hand…..Billingsley is nasty and K’s over 1/inning so I suppose the result was one that could be expected.
Never assume this lineup can execute, SEND THE RUNNER HOME!
Send `em home Sandy feeling a little gun shy!
Ugh.
The Mets are good enough to have a timid 3rd base coach
NOT good enough I meant to type
I used to love watching Castillo play BEFORE he came to the Mets, what happened to this guy? He looks completely incapable of hitting the ball out of the infield. Amazing
Ladies and Gents, your 2007 Mets offense!
that was a friggin joke… nice going Mets…
alomar needs his vision checked…
castillo needs to be benched for that feeble slap at the ball.
WTF, of course we can’t score with 2nd and 3rd and 1 out, and then I see Phils getting crushing the D’ Backs 5-1.
Ok, that was frustrating……but it is 2-0 in the bottom of the 2nd…….
oooooo and listen to Andrw Jones get boo’d…..who let these Mets fans in there w/ dodger hats on :-)
If the Mets were facing Scherzer in his first ever start he would pitch 7 shutout innings.
I’m really learning to dislike Castillo. Are we supposed to think that he was able to slap all those weak grounders through the hole on the fast turf?
I swear I could hit a ball harder than him with a wiffle ball bat.
HITorDIE25 …why would perez not be back next year?
so your assuming based on these few starts hes going to continue to pitch this bad all year long?
even if he goes 10-10 with and ERA in the mid 4’s , those numbers yield u 10mill per yr on the open market …
the mets have a better shot at resigning Ollie if he has an average year as opposed to a another very good yr.
Your assuming me wrong. I think that with boras being his agent he is going to ask for 5 year or something close to that. Also the fact that he is a mental midget doesnt help…This team doesnt need inconsistency…Yeah I think he is a good pitcher, but we need someone that can get us deep in games not strike out 8 and only get us to the 5th. I for one dont want him back, but thats just me.
I don’t know about you guys, but Castillo’s swing makes me want to vomit on myself. It’s still a tough call whether or not Castillo should bat second, but there is something tell me that it might not be the worst thing to have him taking a lot of pitches in the 2-hole so that reyes can steal.
On the flip-side, reyes is going to get out 7 times out of 10 and I don’t know if I want Luis Castillo up with 1 out, most likely going to make it 2 outs going into David Wright’s AB. The matter really depends on whether or not you believe Castillo still has it in him to bat .300 and have a .380 OBP for a full season…
Well, he is a career .300 hitter………so yes, I do have confidence that he will do that.
Castillo is a slap hitter….so when he doesn’t succeed he is gonna look weak/awful/whatever in the process.
I see over and over again mention that he is a career .300 hitter. That is true, but he doesn’t even look like the same guy anymore. There comes a time where career .300 hitters don’t hit .300 anymore. It’s not hard to believe that this might be the year. He’s beat up by his own admission, looks older than his age, and may actually be older than the age given. I’m not gonna rip on the guy. I’d rather see him batting 8th than plenty of other players in the game today. He’s certainly not an automatic out, but he’s going to have to be judged on this year, not his career. We’ll see what happens.
Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results.
It is to Willie…
Johan Santana was traded to Mets because of his past performance.
Santana was given 137 million based on past performance.
Teams are projected to win or lose divisions based on past performances.
There are fans who don’t believe in past performance so I thank God you are not my teams GM because apparently whatever player has done for his career means nothing.
Dude, it was a j-o-k-e. I was quoting the line every brokerage house has to use in TV and other advertising for their services, mutual funds etc. Do yourself a favor and go rent yourself a sense of humor.
That said, it is a truism. Yes, Castillo is a career.300-ish hitter with good OPB. That doesn’t necessarily mean he will continue that way after double knee surgery, playing home games on naturakl grass, as he ages, etc.
And, what in my statement indicates that what a player does in his career “means nothing”? MY quote, which is apt, says past performance isn’t necessarily indicative of future performance. That is certainly true. It is also certianly true that, in baseball, career numbers are often good predcitors of future performance. Can you wrap your, I fear somewhat small, head around the notion that both statements are true?
damn jones getting booed…………..
i think its safe to say andrew jones is a former steroid user…54 HOMERUNS 3 years ago!!!!!…is that a jokeeeeee
but they need a good year from him to win
anyone notice that the rare times delgado actually gets a big hit they seem to go for naught? and not just this year
This is so ridiculous. You have a guy in Billingsley who strikes out over 11 per 9 innings and Schneider on deck, and you stop Beltran? Absolutely awful decision there, especially with Kent’s weak arm and Kemp’s bobble in right.
And this is pathetic from Perez. What happened to the guy from last year?
The Phillies keep winning, and we need to keep our ground. I know it may seem over-dramatic, but I thought this was going to be a good series from the Mets coming off of the D’Backs series.
As of right now, the Phillies are simply better than the Mets.
did you figure that out from the mets 4-2 record against them?
2-0 early in the game is the end of the world!
let’s go mets!
will you relax its 2-0 in the third inning of the first game of the series…i cant stand some mets fans
Is it just me, or would Andruw Jones fit perfectly into the Mets lineup? He even has the past success aspect for Willie to stubbornly bat him in the middle of the order.
Dude, your sarcasm makes you so cool.
*rolling eyes*
lol
not even through 2 innings … you guys crack me up
you’re right.. there’s plenty of time for the mets to blow it later on in the game… the bullpen hasn’t pitched yet! =)
my god, reading these comments you’d think it was 10-0. Step away from the ledge.
If Perez has a mediocre season, I say we lock him up for another 5 years and get a new pitching coach…
Those ridiculous Fish, D-Backs, et al announcers should be tied down and forced to listen to Scully on a loop. He is just so good. This is the first time I’ve been happy to have mlb.tv over SNY this year, that’s for sure.
Nice work for OP! 21 strikes/34 pitches.
I agree. Scully is the only announcer I like more than the Cohen/Darling/Hernandez combo. This guy can paint a picture with words and always sounds like he is telling a bedtime story. Truly the best in the business, total professional.
Scully just had some interesting numbers to go along with his 7 in 17 graphic (you remember the collapse, right? Thought you might have forgotten!)
Anyway, on the Mets last homestand and roadtrip, they hit .303 and .299. Great, huh?
But, the ERAs were ~6.1 and 6.8!
I knew the pitching was bad, but man, that is putrid.
and that’s the ERA’s…don’t forget the 9 unearned runs in just one game of that homestand!
I mentioned something similar to that earlier. Everyone was blaming Delgado for slumping, Wright, Beltran and whoever they could find. The only ones slumping were Reyes and uh the entire pitching staff.
“and theres a rabbit loose” lol
Take some pitches, this guy is wild
Reyes Walked, Scully: “And there’s a rabbit loose now… Reyes to first.”
I wonder if he said “There’s a Rabbi loose” when David Newhan got on base.
Oh wait, David Newhan didn’t get on base.
there you go. kmon church!
What the hell? That throw was on the wrong side of the bag and Reyes STILL almost got caught
“he was living in the suburbs, to say the least ….. in a rickety bungalow among the banana groves, and where the geese outnumbered the cars” Scully, about Reye’ youth…classic!
see contact…..
cmon wright
I thought Church’s job in the 2 hole was to drive in runs? Hm. Castillo could have done that.
i made that comment for schnieder’s at bat
I did not even mean to reply to your comment. Sorry, Dirty.
somewhere on SNY, gary just said “productive out.” yeah?
haha… yes
I’d say let’s try to get this guy to pitch and get out of the game, but it seems every team the Mets play has an incredible bullpen
Derek Jeter vs David Wright for popularity
LOL THE WRIGHT FLIGHT!!!! LOVE IT
DAMN
jeez, this guy can throw but he’s not nolan ryan…
Since when did it take Nolan Ryan to shut down the Mets?
You’re right. Ryan did not have his current K ratio. This guy has came out as a SO machine this year.
a machine on pace for 20 losses
Our top 8, and their top 8. This is apalling…
NY
267
312
282
218
125
220
293
236
LA
374
333
321
295
292
273
162
289
Bring back Rick Down!
lets see what happens this time at 0-2
Uh oh, hopefully Wright doesn’t make a habit of that. Since Beltran is offering no protection, Wright gets pitched around in that spot every time…but he’s usually just been taking the walk. He REALLY expanded his zone there trying to pick up an RBI, hopefully he doesn’t make a habit of it.
Yea Beltran doesn’t strike fear into the opposition. Oh except he is 4th in walks in the majors. That stat means nothing.
That says more about how much Delgado has sucked
exactly
best thing ive ever seen delgado make at 1st
Did you see yesterdays?
nah, what’ he do?
Well, Wagner can’t call OP complacent today.
42 pitches through 3, keep it up OP!
he seems to be getting into a groove here…lets check back with op around the 5th..
“Room service Fly out* that is awesome.
Speaking of Vin Scully. Couldn’t you picture him being a badass dude kinda like Bob Barker in Happy Gilmore?
Come on Mets, take pitches, this guy usually never gets out of the fifth
he looks like he is making a case to get over that hump today
U know the worst pitchers in the majors will become an ace when they face the Mets. Nice bounce back for OP though.
When Miller says belTRAN, it makes me cringe.
When Scully says Moiseees, it makes me smile.
Miller: Here we are at DODGERS Stadium, Jon Miller, Joe Morgan. You know Joe, when I say Carlos BelTRAN, it makes people cringe. But I understand that when our friend Vin Scully says Moiseees Alou, well THAT makes people smile!
Morgan: Well Jon, a lot of people remember the Big Red Machine. You mentioned a lot of good players there, and we can’t forget about Paul Casanova, but he wasn’t around back then. You had your baseball, and then you had the Big Red Machine.
Miller: BelTRAN NOW HITS THE BALL A MILE! IT COULD GO! IT’S GOT THE DISTANCE! AND IT’S…. CAUGHT… just behind the pitcher’s mound. From here it looked like BelTRAN gave that ball a ride! But with the wind blowing in, it just wasn’t enough.
Morgan: The wind used to blow in down in Cincinnati too, but that wasn’t enough to stop the Big Red Machine…
Are we making it easy enough for you Chad? Do you want a hot towel with those dribblers?
welp hes getting on base…..
only a walk for delgado. typical mets. never coming up big with an extra-base hit.
That wouldn’t be a big extra base hit. There are 2 outs and were no men on. THIS is a big spot with castillo…
yeah. getting an extra-base hit with two outs isn’t a big hit. typical mets getting 2 on with with the #8 hitter coming up.
i can’t stand it anymore.
Was Delgado supposed to hit the balls out of the park?
I don’t get the “only a walk for Delgado” comment because a HR would make it 2-1. The Mets would still be LOSING!!!!
typical sunshine mets fan.
cut delgado tonight! tonight!
it was all sarcasm, by the way.
damn…if there was only a snowballs chance in hell Castillo could drive in a run here…
lmao……….this is great…………..
and the batter now is going to be luis castillo………
lets all guess what will happen here……….
two on two out for castillo. i feel great about this.
Can we bat Castillo 10th?
Thing is if he was hitting 2nd earlier then he would have done what Church did and this spot would be an RBI guy.
Except that was one instance and clearly Castillo has made sucking a career choice at this point
or Brian Schneider.
What about:
Reyes
Castillo
Wright
Beltran
Alou
Church
Delgado
Schneider
P
?
Been voting for that forever. Makes the lineup deeper and more balanced.
how do you think delgado would respond to batting 7? Wilie has never batted him there, not even once.
I thought he did recently with Pagan batting 6th?
only one way to find out………….
nope only 4th (1), 5th (19), and 6th (9).
How many times before this season had he batted 6th?
Perhaps he’d find it less “boring”. I like that lineup.
i mean even if he gets a hit, it won’t go far enough for delgado to score
You’re awesome Castillo, four more years of the magic
It’s not his job to be an RBI guy. Castillo infront of the pitcher is asking for that to happen.
Or an on base guy apparently
right now you are right. But don’t you think he is in a different mind set with men on and the pitcher behind him? That is just not his game. He is not going to just try and get on with the pitcher coming up next and men on base. There are too many men left on base by the time the 8 spot comes up to have Castillo hitting there. Put him 9th or 2nd.
im sorry, when did the 8th spot become an rbi spot?
Don’t worry in his walk year he’ll hit 330 and steal 50 SBs. Ever wonder why Met Killer Burrel has started this hot.
No coincidence…
castillo should just bat righty…at least he has a prayer of hitting it out of the infield.
why not walk him w/ the pitcher next?
ez out next inning
because he’s no more of a threat than the pitcher
Ugh, why is Castillo playing SO horribly? He is not THIS bad, I don’t get it, but I have no confidence in him at all.
He had surgery on both knees over the off-season, so any power that he might have gotten from his legs is pretty much gone.
which would be fine if he was playing for some other baseball team
It looks like he doesn’t want to hit the ball out of the infield
doesn’t want to? he can’t.
*expletive**expletive* CASTILLO *expletive**expletive**expletive*
relax man….4th inning….have a beer or something
ill need 4 more years of beer…
See, that just shows how retarded Melvin was to walk Castillo yesterday. If Willie did that he would have been crucified.
Fire Bob Melvin!
does castillo ever have an at bat where the word ’slap’ is not used prominently? its like in my softball league where the one girl who has to play gets up and you bring the OF all the way into the edge of the infield grass. except we don’t pay the girl $32M over 4 years.
i dont understand people..4 days ago everyone was crying for church to bat 2nd because castillo wasnt hitting there.. now everyone wants castillo back in the 2 hole cuz hes not hitting in the 8th spot..make up your minds
Never wanted him in the 8 spot. Church is doing well enough that it would not matter if he was 2-6. Castillo, right now only has one thing going, move a runner on and get on base by taking a ton of pitches.
that castillo out is on willie. he should have become a doctor and did a better job on his surgeries.
I just love how people kill Willie for putting Church back into the 6th spot after they were 4-0 when he was batting second. Now when he puts him back there everyone wants Castillo back to the two hole.
“big competitor with anger”…………….
much rather have easley or marlon playing 2B
Totally, Easley even hits HRs from time to time. Just a better bat and competent at 2nd.
The scouting report must be so negative on castillo that they feel like its worth it to pitch to him there instead of walking him to pitch to OP who is miserably bad at hitting.
Another excellent job of Mets getting men on base and leaving ‘em there.
Once again, we make mediocrities look like good pitchers. This guy doesn’t have it, and we’re freakin’ givin’ to him. Ugh!
Castillo seems like less of a threat than Harrelson. Sickening!!
Mets should seriously look into drafting a 2nd baseman out of college with one of their first rounders this year
The scary thing is, with the knees, I don’t even think Castillo is capable of playing for 4 more years. I am a stern Omar defender, I think he has done WAY more good than bad for this team. But that contract is a head scratcher.
trust me a head scratcher for aloooooooooooot of people
And the thing is, I’m not even THAT pissed about getting rid of Gotay, but Orlando Hudson (a great defensive 2nd baseman and a solid hitter) will be a free agent after this year, and that’s one of the many moves the Mets can’t consider because they are now locked into this guy. Was there really a team out there that forced this team to offer 4 years?
thats what the “reports” say…
We did not need Hudson, he will cost something like 12-14 million and 5 years.
Part of Omar’s job is to set up aging players with a retirement fund. I think we’re becoming extremely selfish when we expect a GM to only sign players to contracts that are going to benefit the team. ;)
Sounds like Jersey politics.
Omar builds teams like he’s playing a video game. He seems to assume that injuries or age will never be a factor.
lolllll good one. I have the show and castillo is great in the 2 hole. Maybe omar plays it as well lol
I disagree, young players don’t just appear out of thin air, it takes time to build a franchise. The problem is, Omar has a ton of pressure on him to win now, so even though he is trying to restock the farm system, he has to sign these older players to be important parts of the team because the pressure is on him. In the case of Castillo though, he just overpaid like crazy, I know we don’t have anyone in the farm system to play 2b anymore, but come on…4 years?
4 years was too long but it was just a case of the Mets using large market resources to get the man they wanted. The can unload him later if they need to and eat much of the contract.
Agree 100%.
Scully is such a pro, you can hear how he changes his “word picture” spiel when they stop his portion of the radio simulcast (generally he does onlt the first three innings as a radio simulcast).
If all opposing broadcasts were this good, you wouldn’t mind the feeds on Extra Innings or MLB.tv. Sadly, so many booths are horrid. The D-Bags this weekend were particulalry heinous.
Could you imagine Vin Scully as a Braves announcer? Braves fans would complain that since he doesn’t cheer for the team, they have no idea when they’re supposed to be cheering themselves.
LOL Well said.
Castillo is our 8th hitter. Lets give some crap to Wright, Church, etc too for not getting Reyes in earlier.
That’s a point!
a very stupid one
…meanwhile, the D-Backs are making Jamie Moyer look like Tom Seaver in Arizona…
…time to open the bottle of Maker’s Mark…
i feel castillo is so much less of a threat cause his speed is not nearly what it used to be. he used to intimidate pitchers cause he could fly to first and steal 60 bases. Now they just go right after him
Don’t get Willie angry ump, he may frown at you!
perez at his worst is better than pelfrey
ok im starting 2 get sick of this schneider guy too
Just let his thumb heal and he’ll be fine
can mr. met get schneider a t-shirt gun to fire the ball to second?
looks like a good time for jones 2 break out of his slump
Look, Schneider calls a great game, but geez, at what point do we question his whole “defensive catcher” label after all these passed balls, “wild pitches” that are blockable, and throws to the San Juaquin Valley?
where is castillo backing that throw up..lazy ass
ok met fans i think u guys forgot that schneiders hand was infected
ok then if he’s not gripping the ball he could kindly stop throwing lasers into left center
he throws right. the infection was in his left thumb.
and it could be possible that schneider is still having trouble throwing being that thats the hand with the infection
And that explains the plethora of passed balls before the infection?
he was still getting used to the pitching staff…why are all mets fans so critical
CLYONS,
All I did was ask at what point do we question his label as a defensive catcher. You have exuses for him. At what point do those excuses fail to hold water is the question on the table.
Why critical (not that my comment was)? Why are Mets fans critical. Gee, let me think? 21 years in the wilderness and counting. An epic Collapse that evaporated any benefits of any doubts that Mets fans had left with this particular crew. A .178 avg with RISP and falling. A “bored” team. A manager ill equipped for the intellectual0style of the NL. Need I go on?
Why are some Mets fans so defensive when someone dares disuss issues about the team?
Gip your act is getting really old. Maybe that’s why I called you an old man.
Not as Old as Ollie’s act…or Willie’s?
Besides, who’s acting? What in that is untrue or trumped up?
Let’s see, 21 years in the wilderness sounds a little over dramatic.
21 years of futility?
21 years of being championship challenged?
Seriously dude, all my original comment did was ask at what point do we question Schneider’s label as a defensive catcher, given his high rate of passed balls (which he himself has commented on) and some real corkers of throws. Hardly a diatribe. Scroll up and read it.
I think his body of work speaks for itself. As for your 21 year junk, LOL
boo hoo, Schneider is now under %50 for the season throwing out guys, he’s only caught 2 games in the past 10 days and I”m expecting him to be perfect, boo hoo! damn Gipper, you are one of the most annoying posters on this blog, and there have been some bad ones over the years.
Funny thing is that he shows potential of being normal at times only to completely go off the deep end at times. I kinda like him until the 900th post on the same thing.
Pot, meet kettle.
Darkstar, when did I say I expect him to be perfect? When did I say I was unaware this is his second game back (not sure what that has to do with his passed balls before the funky finger sidelined him, though)?
Let me quote my original post, which was, after all, a question, not a negative diatribe:
“Look, Schneider calls a great game, but geez, at what point do we question his whole “defensive catcher” label after all these passed balls, “wild pitches” that are blockable, and throws to the San Juaquin Valley?”
So, I simply asked fellow fans when we should worry about this guy’s defensive skills after I laud his game-calling ability. I do refer to some of his lapses humorously.
For that I get lambasted? Most annoying poster ever? Ooookay.
As I recall, Gary and Keith and Ron have mentioned many times how odd it is to see Schneider boxing balls so often this season. Are they some of the most annoying broadcasters for pointing this out? Are they insufficiently optimistic? Or harboring ridiculous expectations of perfection
Whatever. I don’t care what you think. You prove your intellectual limitations and observational deficiencies on a daily basis around here.
well he has not caught the pitchers too much during ST. He’s still feeling them out.
Let’s hope that is the cause.
pretty sure its his glove hand that was infected…
LOLLLLL
DAMN WHO GETS BOOED LOUDER
JONES OR DELGADO LOLLL
guess ny isnt that bad with the boos
Actually it’s not that bad.
The media made a much bigger deal out of it than it’s been.
Granted, Delgado was getting a lot of the boos. But the whole booing thing became a MUCH bigger deal than it ever should have.
My my, what mean, horrible people booing Andruw Jones. His feelings must be hurt. What bad, bad fans.
Okay, Ollie seems to have settled in. The offense has to pick him up. C’MON! LET’S GO METS!!!
Man, they are booing Andru something fierce. I didn’t think Dodger fans paid enough attention to boo someone!
Well, when they’re not busy jumping on the Lakers bandwagon they need something to pass the time
Ok, that’s about enough of this, can we hit this guy now, please
This has made me realize just how bad a job Minaya has actually done since he got here. I know we love him, but let’s look at this objectively:
Pedro- Thus far, bad signing. He had one average to below-average year, one very good year, one year of barely anything, and so far this, all for a very large contract.
Beltran-Good signing. Not spectacular, as it was probably pushed from front office and the Mets had the money for it anyway.
Delgado-Bad.One solid year, but nothing since. Mike Jacobs could have been a cheaper option (with actually more power0.
Castillo-Not an entirely awful trade, but an incredibly awful 4 year resign.
Perez- Good trade, but with his struggles and Nady’s play, how good?
Alou- Very good signing.
Church/Schneider- So far, so good. However, Schneider is fading fast and we have to see what Milledge does over the next few years as well.
LoDuca- Okay signing. Pretty good for one year, but very bad the next.
Heath Bell/Royce Ring for Ben Johnson- Incredibly bad trade.
Endy Chavez- Good signing for 2006, but only okay after that.
Lindstrom/Owens for Jason Vargas- Another bad and detrimental trade.
Letting Jesus Flores go- Could be a very big blunder.
Scott Schoenweiss/Matt Wise- Two bad signings and waste of money.
Duaner Sanchez- Solid trade.
Billy Wagner- Very good signing.
Jorge Sosa- Okay signing so far.
Angel Pagan/Marlon Anderson- Good pickups.
El Duque/John Maine- Great trade.
Brian Banniser for Burgos- Terrible deal.
Julio Franco- Average signing, awful resign.
Ramon Castro- Solid sign.
So, his best moves (Beltran, Wagner) weren’t that hard to pull off with the money at hand. Smaller moves such as Perez and Maine worked out, but were definitely counteracted by bad deals like Bannister, Owens, Lindstrom, and Bell (especially when the bullpen was in shambles). Some of his major signings/trades like Castillo, Pedro, and Delgado have just not worked out.
Overall, maybe give him a 6.5/10? But just nothing like Mets fans give him credit for.
pedro signing thus far bad?
Alot of the people on this team would not be here if not for that signing
That’s so not true
Who? Beltran- I doubt that. Delgado- would that have been a bad thing? Name the others please.
You may be an idiot, did you know we did not sign Delgado?
And Delgado would have been here anyway since it was a trade. I love Pedro, but just like I don’t buy that Castillo got us Santana, I don’t buy that Pedro brought in other players. Not directly anyway.
What Pedro DID do though, was take a team that was going in the opposite direction, and gave them an immediate spark and a shot of legitimacy again. I think that has paid off to this day.
How, exactly, did Pedro do that? He was great in 2005, but what about 2006 and 2007 and 2008? What specifically has he done?
How did he give them a spark?
Yeah, what exactly did he do to give them a spark, whatever that means?
If Pedro doesn’t dance and where goggles and have a midget friend, do the Mets suck in ‘06?
I think you’re missing the point. I’m not talking about the players. I’m talking about as a legitimate team that people would want to come out and see again. I don’t know if you’re in NY, but when Pedro got here, every game he started was an event and got top billing in the city. It was Pedro who made it fun for people to get out to Shea again if they decided to stay away for a while. That’s all I was trying to say. I don’t think it’s something that should be overlooked.
I am from NY, and I do see where you are coming from with that.
However, let’s not give Pedro too much credit. Really, he only pitched 1 out of every 5 days. I think in 2005 it was much more exciting to see Reyes,Wright, and Floyd.
I agree, I was just saying it’s not something that should be overlooked. There are a lot of bandwagon fans who learned about Wright and Reyes because they came to see Pedro.
And some more I forgot:
Jose Valentin- Great, cheap pickup.
Ruben Gotay- Solid trade, but did we get enough out of him to let him go for nothing?
Jeff Keppinger- BIG mistake
before omar
2002: 75-86
2003: 66-95
2004: 71-91
after omar
2005: 83-79
2006: 97-65
2007: 88-74
2008: 16-13
thank you zen
But those years are most due to the maturation of Jose Reyes and David Wright (NOT Minaya moves).
His moves for 2006 were definitely good, but since then, it has been downhill.
I give you a 2.2 on that comment.
What moves did he make for the 2007 season or 2008 other than Johan that we can highly commend him for? Seriously
Letting Loduca and Glavine leave. That’s easy.
Yes, that was easy. In fact, I can only give him credit for NOT being an idiot and signing them again.
What else has he added to make the club better?
Church, Schneider, Pagan.
You are jumping the gun and giving too much credit to these guys.
Church- so far, excellent. No qualms, but this is his best stuff. We haven’t seen Milledge’s best yet.
Schneider- Really? The guy has no power and his stats are already fading fast, and he really hasn’t been all that good defensively either.
Pagan-The guys has an OPS+ of 96. He has a .272 BA with 0 homers from the left field spot. A decent trade, but nothing to write home about.
Decent bench guy however. You ask for ways he improved this year’s team. Those are ways. Besides Schneider and Church are a much bigger improvement over the 2008 Milledge and Loduca.
I give you about 3.14 on your 6.5.
You kinda forgot Johan Santana and re-signing D-Wright and Jose Reyes to pretty solid contracts…
My mistake.
Johan- Clearly a great trade. Pretty much saves his job.
Really, you should check out the amazing contracts that he re-signed wright and reyes to before they blew up as superstars…
I mean, do you think Omar works alone on these contract deals? So much is involved from the front office (Wilpon, etc), besides the fact that you have two loyal kids that really want to be here and see the team win, what makes you think another GM wouldn’t have made the same resigns?
So let met get this straight, all the good signings were inspite of Omar and all the bad ones were because of him?
Re-signs.
I don’t give him much crap for any of the signs. He has a ton of money behind him and the Wilpons on his neck. It’s not like he has a limited budget to work with.
But the trades this far (save Santana) have not been all that pretty.
Church trade looks good enough right now. Most of his other trades have been minor hit or miss trades of players that were not even on the 25 man roster.
Minor?
You call Brian Bannister, Jeff Keppinger and Heath Bell MINOR?
Look at their numbers. Go on. Check them out right now.
Yes now they are doing fine, then very minor players. Bell and Kepp had no spot on the team and were losing trade value. After all Kepp was released by KC. Bannister was somke and mirrors here and would have been in AAA.
Wise pitched in one game. How do we know if he’s bad?
Wait til you see just how bad Wise is.
He won’t be half as bad as your posts.
What do you find wrong with my posts?
man can we take some pitches and work this guy please…..i dont think he is breaking a sweat out there
Let’s give Ollie some credit; I think he’s battling tonight. Not so bad. He’s got to go six and keep us close here.
I would love to see a spray chart for Reyes, I feel like he is just trying to pull EVERYTHING. The Reyes I know and love drives the ball the other way with serious authority. Hopefully he can straighten himself out, it’s tough to watch him struggle so much and mope around.
I sense an OP blow up here from billingsly…
wow…………….
That was the sickest play I’ve seen this entire year…
wow, really?
How… What just happened? That was a great play
another typical mets night, no offense when we need it, no fight and boy is castillo worthless
No fight? Here we go again.
yeah no fight, it’s the willie curse, the one when you get down and everyone in the dugout looks like…oh wait, they look like Torre, wonder where they got that! and ollie must go!
Did we have fight yesterday?
We had Connor Jackson.
yesterday was handed to us. listen, i’m as big a fan as anyone, probably more, but we just don’t have fight, it’s simple. if you think we do, you are blind, period. we will show spurts of heart, but very little and it’s willie’s fault. again, if you don’t see that, i’m afraid you are in for a very long season.
I think Willie may need to go but the heart thing is just crap.
I actually would usually agree with you on the whole heart/fire thing. (Shocking, I know).
But, when the players themselves reference it…..it becomes hard to discount.
David Wright Sucks!!!!! He never gets a hit in the clutch, the Mets should try and trade him to Texas for Vincente Padilla!!!!
LOL Comment of the night.
Well, this game is getting frustrating. Hopefully I cehck the box score in the morning and see a nice 7 spot in the top of th e8th or soemthing!
never happen…not against the dodgers’ 8th inning guy and their closer.
You know you’re going poorly when it seems like there are 2-3 web gems made against you per night
i hate men named Blake…even more so now
AH PERFECT TIMING
what inning are we in …………….
Another chump get his first ML homer off a Mets pitcher.
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jeez….mets must lead MLB in giving up “first ever major league” home runs…seems like it happens at least a few times a season.
Tell me Ollie, have the alpacas stopped screaming?
OK Ollie, way to keep it close for them!
I’ve been trying to post my comment on a certain someone who is seen sitting behind homeplate but everytime I try it doesn’t get posted. Very strange
I bet you this guy DeWitt will have about 30 hrs in his major league career.
yes, that is ny sucks they are chanting.
Well, when they are right, they’re right.
Scott Boras is having a heart attack.
The Mets games since last June have seemed to follow this same outline. It’s getting really boring to watch, I think that is my biggest complaint, I’m just ready to see some good baseball, there are a few teases, but for the most part, you KNOW exactly what is going to happen in every situation and they don’t surprise you at all. It’s boring…and yet I can not stop watching. haha
Because on a good weekend they’ll take 2 out of 3 against the D-Backs and give you some hope..
good night guys
just wanted to also point out that i think the philliies have better pitching than the mets
i guess the Dodgers didn’t get the memo about it being difficult to hit HRs at night in Dodger Stadium…
Goodnight everybody!
God for bid this team actually takes a good series and builds from it. Good night everyone
Oh crap, its Oliver Santana-Heilman-Sosa (I feel dirty just putting Johan in that group).
A brand new kind of “Bad OP.”
The thing that I have noticed with the Mets is that I wish they had a guy that does not strike out and works counts. It seems that every time the Mets have faced a team this year they have a guy that doesn’t strike out. I wish the Mets had someone like that.
Yeah, I’m out. Why I stayed up to watch an Oliver Perez game is beyond my comprehension. G’night.
why don’t the mets spend a couple of million on bringing the dodgers scouts aboard? Or the d-back and twins scouts.
that would save them tons of cash in the long-term.
I think Boras is now pulling his eyes out………like the rest of Mets country after that homer.
To Oliver Perez
Figure it out numb nuts…
P.s. this is why I droped OP from my fantasy team…my only problem is it was 4 starts too late.
i hate to say this but maybe the mets can pretend they’re the phillies, bear down and actually have a dramatic comeback…..
he just dies in the 5th and 6th inning every start…considering he gets that far of course
you’d think Perez would great on his country’s special day, cinco de mayo
*would pitch great
For real, I want to fight Oliver Perez.
The biggest problem with Ollie, is if he doesn’t have his shutdown stuff, he can’t figure out how to win, which, how many times do we hear over and over is the key to being a great pitcher: win when you don’t have your best stuff.
Oh well, in reality, it is just one game, just sucks staying up to watch it.
actually 3 and a row for him
I meant for the team
and the other reality is, there are still 2 more games in this series, if the Mets can win both, tonight becomes irrelevant at this point in the season.
Come on Delgado, how bout an HR here for all those who just went to bed?
or not…
just got off work…has perez been as bad as the score looks?
never mind…i just read the comments
its a different kind of bad. he is throwing strikes and only walked 1. pitch count ok. he’s just giving up dingers today.
so he’s santana without the dominance…great
more like heilman or sosa!
you’re right…i just apologized to my santana jersey
Yes…Perez is a brilliant catastrophy.
well, if you’re gonna do something, do it big
F-shift…thats a hit
I don’t know if this is asking too much…but shouldn’t a professional baseball player be able to hit the ball the other way (even on the ground) when there is a gaping hole in the infield?
One would think.
Anyone still think this is too early!
Some on here still think it’s too early for dismay over 2007!
Some think it still is 2007.
They sure play that way.
Really? In 2007 we started off really good, you mean they play like the September 2007 Mets? Nope we are winning more than that and have a winning home record. You mean the June-September 2007 Mets? No, they were under .500. You mean the one that never had a 5 game winning streak? Nope? How about the one without Santana? Nope> What is the same?
Roughly .500 ball (same as 2007 from May 07 through now). Playing below talent level. Horrid with RISP. Putrid bullpen. Inconsistent SP. Playing down to weaker competition. Delgado in decline. Reyes floundering.
Oh, and yes, same doofus as manager
Too early for what, to lose the 1st game of a series to a hot team on the road after winning 2/3 on the road vs. the best team in the NL?
So you’re saying that you are confident that the team is going to win the division!! You’re saying that this moderate start is just not a true reflection of this team? You’re saying that what we saw against the D-Backs were the real Mets?
I am saying that you can’t expect to win every game on a road trip against really good teams. Go .500 on the road and play well at home. Good baseball strategy as well as the old saying, Don’t jump off a bridge when your team loses a game.
really too early for what. The dodgers have steamrolled their opponents with a great offense.
I don’t normally do this but I have to run 9 miles in the morning then I have a 9am final….so, time for bed, goodnight guys, Lets go Mets! It’s still early. Every team goes through periods like this, it just seems worse because of the collapse.
Oh and PS, I don’t care how bad Ollie pitches, he will get 5 days rest and needs to take one for the team. We need 7 innings. Time to man up.
I agree, if we don’t score let him pitch about 125 pitches.
At this point I just want to get 6 or 7 (ideally) out of perez so we don’t kill our bullpen for a lost cause…
more in shape: andruw jones or charles barkely?
Chuck DID outrun Dick Bavetta
you’re right…i think andruw gets beat by 15 feet
i’ll join the fray with some blanket statement of my own! when this team loses, this team sucks, has no future, has a horrible manager, and the GM is a dumbsh*t. However, whenever we win, I really feel like this team is a pretty decent team! You know what one of my favorite past times is? Bringing up old trades, signings, etc. that Omar made whenever we lose, it helps me cope with the over dependance my general state of mind has on the Mets. In fact, I just wait for moments to freak out and get on a blog and rant and rave, I just love it! Go Mets!
When I said lost cause I meant this game, not the team…
I just figure that the dodger’s pen is too solid to blow this right now…
also, check my comment that i made just a few minutes before the game started about the mets not winning tonight. It didn’t take a brain surgeon to figure that out…no need to kill us for being upset
(the list of omar’s dealings was a little over the top)
From the guy who had oh so much respect for those commenters yesterday who are consistent in still calling out the teams weaknesses and for Willie’s head, even after a win?
*for darkstar, of course,
nice double play, at least we get to hear arndruuuw get buuuwd
Finally!!Ollie reaches the 6th inning
Too bad it’s 5-1
one step at a time. hopefully he pitches better in his next start. He hasn’t walked many players and the only mistakes were the long balls.
95 pitches. it baffles the mind. come on willie.
gotta go for the runs here.
For the record, Jamie Moyer is everything that we could hope for El Duque to be…
is there anything preventing willie from putting OP back in there, now that they are making a pitching change?
this pagan also cant hit a lick! looks like a minor leaguer 2 me
I’d be interested to see who sees more pitches per AB, Church or Castillo…because at this point I feel like we are letting pitchers get through the top of our order without much trouble…
I have noticed that Church is a little too aggressive in the 2 spot. he’s just not used to waiting for the “best” pitch.
scully’s right! i wasnt aroud, but did bats really brake so often (and so dramatically) in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s…? planned obsolescence?
No, as Keith, Gary and to a lesser extent Ron have pointed out ad infinitum…..player use bats of different types of wood and weight than they used to.
yup this game is in the books
the hitting machine looked terrible right there
Would that make him the Senior Hitting Machine?
well, he IS older than yoda…so…yes
Sosa’s up. Time for the Mets to score 5 runs, have Wagner come in for the save and Sosa can rack up his 5th win.
sosa’s gonna be a 20 game winner
You never know, Saito hasn’t gotten much work in lately. He could be rusty…
Finally he makes a throw!
glad that one’s over…g’nite everybody
Welp hopefully figz can help tie this one up…………….
gnite everyone
Season’s over. Met’s lost on the road to a team that has won 10/12 games. Lets write the season off now. Same ole Mets. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODBYEEEEEEEEEEE!
I haven’t replied to any of your posts tonight, but honestly, I don’t see anyone actually behaving like that. If they are, and I’m just missing their posts, then it is indeed ridiculous. But seriously, I don’t see where it’s coming from.
Most frustrating thing as a met fan is the inconsistancy. Between this year and last year our longest winning streak has been 5 games. We did it once last year i believe and once this year. I realize in baseball teams will go through stretches where your gonna have your ups and downs. It just seems like this team is stuck in the win 2, lose 3, win 3, lose 2 type pattern. We’ve all been waiting for them to get hot, and maybe win 9 outta 10 games. It just doesn’t seem to happen.
I can’t point to any one thing thats causing it either. Its frustrating. Hopefully we’ll break out of it. Also one other thing, good to see delgado finally start hitting the ball again. Now we gotta get beltran and wright going. Wright seems to be trying to pull that pitch on the outside corner against righties way to often. He has to go the other way with it.
What a complete crap performance all around. Yeah, I know it’s one game, and if… if we win the next two, life’s okay. But something about this Mets team looks so unbalanced.
Starting pitching gives me very little confidence now. Offensive numbers just stink compared to our main competitors, and when Reyes, Wright, and Church don’t hit, we simply don’t win.
Sure, LA’s hot of late, but their pitcher tonight is such a middling talent; should’ve kicked the sh)& out of them.
I am so close to turning my back on Perez, and I had huge expectations for him. Please prove me wrong.
Don’t we face some unhittable Japanese pitcher tomorrow night?
To playmaker: Uh, Chad Billingsley’s not only not a “middling talent,” he’s considered one of the best young pitchers in baseball. Should do a little research to hear what scouts say about him (not fantasy baseball experts who look at his record to start this season). Look at his numbers overall, and the scouting reports. the guy has great stuff. There’s no great shame in losing to him, even if the Mets certainly had their opportunities. He was a first round pick, their top prospect in 2006, and one of their scout Logan White’s prized draftees.
“There’s no great shame in losing to him”
That seems to be the excuse every time we face a half-way decent pitcher. If we want to win a world series we’re going to have to hit good pitching at some point. The guy came into this game with an ERA 5.2 ERA, so obviously he’s hittable. Plus we left 13 men on base so it’s not like he was dominating our batters with his stuff, we just weren’t capitalizing.
The mets were able to beat michah owings, dan haren, john smoltz, tim hudson, and cole hamels to name a few good pitchers.
But I’m sure you knew that.
Then Billingsley being a top prospect definitely isn’t an excuse for not scoring runs.