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Joe Janish’s earlier point on MetsBlog about Nelson Figueroa is hard to deny.
Figgy has been the team’s third-best starter this year, even if he’s only started four games.
But today in the Daily News, Adam Ruben cites a team insider who suggested the Mets could move Figueroa to Triple-A and move Jorge Sosa into the rotation to make room for Matt Wise.
I don’t think that will happen, which is good, because it’d be absurd. I think even sending Joe Smith to New Orleans to make room for Wise would be silly.
I wrote more about this and other concerns facing the Mets in an SNY.tv column today, but essentially I think if the Mets so desperately want Wise back in the bullpen, Sosa should be the guy to go.
I know the arguments for Sosa - he’s leading the team in wins, he’s got a $2 million contract with no options and he’s the closest thing the Mets have to a long reliever - but he’s yet to pitch effectively.
If this team is really committed to winning in 2008, it should put together the best staff it can with the pieces it has - and it’s hard to argue that they should keep Sosa over Smith or Figueroa.
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I cannot understand the infatuation with Sosa.
He is just not that great..
and neither is joe smith.. the only hope with smith is that he gets better.. as of right now hes more or less chad bradford… he gets more billing cause he was a high draft choice and had a short minor league career, but he’s still a limited reliever
I would say he’s less Chad Bradford rather than more. When Bradford came in to relieve, I felt pretty comfortable that he would get the job done. Seeing Joe Smith coming into the game doesn’t fill me with that same sense of confidence - at least not yet.
It fills me with alot more confidence then when I see that Big Goofy Aaron Heilman with the high riser hat that looks like its never been worn before running in from the bullpen.
when that happens its pretty much a given they will score at least 1 run, the challenge is holding them to 1
Sosa leading the team in wins highlights why that stat is mostly irrelevant for relievers.
it’s irrelevant period.
I was trying not to completely assault the old school sensitivities.
Old school sensitivities be damned.
I tell you the problem with Sosa — he’s a converted catcher who still doesn’t know how to pitch. It seems like those kind of guys never work out in the long run. To me, you’re more successful if you’ve been pitching your entire baseball career.
Santana came up as an outfielder.
Did you just compare Santana to Sosa? LOL
No way, Sosa has a much better record than Santana at 1/10th the price .
* sarcasm of course.
haha … I caught the sarcasm actually.
No, he came up with an example inconsistent with the proposition that the previous poster advanced. It’s called a meaningful response.
To provide my own weak attempt an a meaningful response, in my view, if designating Sosa means losing him, it’s just a bit too early for that. There’s always the possibility he turns it around. I’d drop Smith down and see what happens. If Sosa can’t pitch well for the next few weeks, dump him.
Thanks for the clarification … my “LOL” should have tipped you off as a light hearted response.
Maybe we should use “LOLA” and “LOLW” to distinguish laughing at from laughing with.
On second thought, pass.
LOLA
GFY
Oh, now that wasn’t called for, was it? hahaha
surely that was a friendly “Good For You,” right?
LOLW. Ha…
Mr. Gee … I’ll go with that interpretation, definitely! :)
It was “Go Figueroa, Yes!”
Well done!
he came up as an outfeider too. sosa….a catcher? exhemm…..no ur def. mistaken
wise should be held on the DL until we have room for him.
if aaron struggles one more time, demote him. and stretch him out to be a starter.
They can’t keep Wise in rehab forever. At some point they have to activate him, and that is probably soon.
I agree with sending Heilman down. Let him start to get more innings to work on all his pitches. If the starting works out, great. If not, he can come back up to his old relief job.
Also might be less embarrasing to him (more palatable?) if it was portrayed as sending him down to work on starting!
Besides, if it works out, it can solve a huge hole next year when the rotation is Santana, Maine and Pelfrey!
Heilman is NOT a starter. Every friggin’ day people are throwing this stuff out there! If the Mets FO has not done it yet, IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!!
guess what! he’s not a good reliever either.
Then trade him.
for what??? a meatball sandwich?
he has no trade value now. but if he gets stretched out as a starter, maybe he would!
He can’t get through an inning w/o giving up a run so what makes you think he can do good as a starter.
Sosa had a nice start, then came down to earth, and has been there ever since. And I doubt he’s getting up. Putting him in the rotation and sending Figgy down is idiotic.
Right now, it might be best to send SMith down if they insist on keeping Sosa. It will probably be only temporary until a trade or injury comes along.
Now, the trade option is intriquing. Maybe the Sosa to the rotation idea was something to pump his value? One can only hope.
So, IMO, either Smith goes down or someone (Sosa logically) gets traded to get Wise back up.
Granted, but I feel like the innings that Sosa can give us totally outweigh any value that we can get from replacing him with Wise. Our big issue is that our bullpen is being overworked, so why would we get rid of someone that can go 2-3 innings on a given night? Matt Wise just doesn’t fit on our team. I don’t the know the specifics of his contract, but we should just leave him in the minors…or if we can’t do that then we should trade him or just release him. He’s not worth throwing away innings for, especially when we are going to be depending on Ollie, Pedro, Figgs, Pelf this year. When either one of them goes 6 innings, we consider it a godsend. Throwing away Sosa’s innings is just plain stupid to me.
Also, demoting Smith is even dumber than getting rid of Sosa. Think of the few relief pitchers we have the can handle the heat of NY Mets fan…
Smith is one of the few guys that I feel confident in even if he had a bad showing the night before. I know he can bounce back quickly unlike some other guys *cough* Heilman *cough*
Good point for the most part, except we don’t even know what Wise can do, hes pitched twice and unfortunately one happens to be a walk off homer loss…
give the guy a chance
The reason why I’d prefer not to give Wise a chance is…
1. The only guy you can make an arguement for to be dropped in favor of Wise is Sosa…
2. Sosa has pitched over 100 innings for the last two years as a relief pitcher and a spot starter. Innings, Innings, Innings. With such an injury prone rotation and an inconsistent one at that, it would not make sense to get rid of a guy who can eat up those innings.
3. Im not saying that Sosa is necessarily better than Wise, but he is far more valuable to our team.
4. Wise’s ERA has slowly increased the last 3 years in a row from 3.36 in 2005 to 3.86 in 2006 to 4.19 in 2007 to god knows what this year. (Also don’t discount that he might have been a roidin partner with Derrick Turnbow…)
I would say highly unlikely, I think the only way you could look like Wise after taking steroids would be to stop eating ANYTHING and never work out.
Wow i would punch myself in the face if we had to deal with Sosa as our 5th starter again. That ship has thankfully sailed. DFA Sosa, bring up Wise. When Pedro is healthy Nelson can go to the bullpen, then you can send down Smith. Sending down Smith just to keep Sosa, who is not a good pitcher, is silly
The problem being whos stuck with the long man duties when sosa is DFA?
Well, I guess not Vargas: (Rubin:)
VARGAS SHELLED: Claudio Vargas, signed to a minor-league deal after the Brewers cut him a check for $900,000 at the end of spring training to avoid being obligated for a $3.6 million contract, allowed six runs on nine hits while striking out four and walking one in four innings at Portland on Saturday in his first start for Triple-A New Orleans. He allowed four first-inning runs. Vargas’ opponent was none other than ex-Met Shawn Estes, who limited the Zephyrs to an unearned run in seven innings.
yea i read that the other day…………..not very inspiring….