Comments on: Stats: Late Game Frustration http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:50:06 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Mingo http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161387 Mingo Sat, 10 May 2008 13:30:24 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161387 I watch the games and I can think of too many games he has done it. I can't understand how a guy like Jon Matlack can have 97 complete games in his career and someone comparable like John Maine will probably have less than a dozen. We have better medicine today and better workout regimens. It makes no sense. These players are pampered because of money and Willie is the worst one and the stats show that. I watch the games and I can think of too many games he has done it. I can’t understand how a guy like Jon Matlack can have 97 complete games in his career and someone comparable like John Maine will probably have less than a dozen. We have better medicine today and better workout regimens. It makes no sense.
These players are pampered because of money and Willie is the worst one and the stats show that.

]]> By: Mingo http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161386 Mingo Sat, 10 May 2008 13:26:44 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161386 There was a day when the announcers usually said "he is getting his second wind". I don't buy it. Pitchers can go longer. Willie thinks a pitcher who gives up a walk in the 6th inning is tired. He pulls him after one walk. That is stupid. There was a day when the announcers usually said “he is getting his second wind”. I don’t buy it. Pitchers can go longer. Willie thinks a pitcher who gives up a walk in the 6th inning is tired. He pulls him after one walk. That is stupid.

]]> By: therealsince86 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161314 therealsince86 Fri, 09 May 2008 23:58:54 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161314 It's because he is listening to the fans too much. Show can only pitch to LH or your fired Smith can only pitch to RH or your fired Sosa can only pitch to RH and only go 1 inning unless all batters are RH. Heilman can only pitch when there is no one on in the 6th inning until he puts someone on then you have to bring in Feliciano unless it's the 6th inning then you should have just brought him in to start with because the team has a LH in the lineup that could get to hit when Heilman puts 3 runners on. It’s because he is listening to the fans too much.
Show can only pitch to LH or your fired
Smith can only pitch to RH or your fired
Sosa can only pitch to RH and only go 1 inning unless all batters are RH.
Heilman can only pitch when there is no one on in the 6th inning until he puts someone on then you have to bring in Feliciano unless it’s the 6th inning then you should have just brought him in to start with because the team has a LH in the lineup that could get to hit when Heilman puts 3 runners on.

]]> By: gipper91375 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161280 gipper91375 Fri, 09 May 2008 23:21:43 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161280 Umm....agreeal????? That's hysterical! Umm….agreeal????? That’s hysterical!

]]> By: MudvilleNine http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161272 MudvilleNine Fri, 09 May 2008 23:07:25 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161272 The 100 pitch mark is a generalization. Over countless number of starts a pitcher tends to get tired and lose it around the same number of pitches in each game. Perez tends to lose it at around 85 pitches. Maine around 100, and so far Santana around 110. Sometimes they'll lose it a little earlier, sometimes later, but when they show signs of tiring and the number of pitches is around their magic number, you know they're pretty much done. Can't blame Willie for taking a guy out when these things occur. The 100 pitch mark is a generalization. Over countless number of starts a pitcher tends to get tired and lose it around the same number of pitches in each game. Perez tends to lose it at around 85 pitches. Maine around 100, and so far Santana around 110. Sometimes they’ll lose it a little earlier, sometimes later, but when they show signs of tiring and the number of pitches is around their magic number, you know they’re pretty much done. Can’t blame Willie for taking a guy out when these things occur.

]]> By: DAK442 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161156 DAK442 Fri, 09 May 2008 20:58:39 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161156 Good thing they didn't put a retractable dome on Citi Field, this way we can continue to treasure "authentic" experiences like driving hundreds of miles for a game that might not get played, sitting in 45 degree drizzle, paying twice for parking when they call the game... Good thing they didn’t put a retractable dome on Citi Field, this way we can continue to treasure “authentic” experiences like driving hundreds of miles for a game that might not get played, sitting in 45 degree drizzle, paying twice for parking when they call the game…

]]> By: PatBurrellSmellsLikeDirtyLaundry http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161082 PatBurrellSmellsLikeDirtyLaundry Fri, 09 May 2008 20:02:30 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161082 haha...i like that idea. it will be like bob ojeda haha…i like that idea. it will be like bob ojeda

]]> By: PatBurrellSmellsLikeDirtyLaundry http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161080 PatBurrellSmellsLikeDirtyLaundry Fri, 09 May 2008 20:01:52 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161080 And who ended up winning? Will Ferrell. And who ended up winning? Will Ferrell.

]]> By: Another Matt http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161079 Another Matt Fri, 09 May 2008 20:00:31 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161079 Calling it three seasons is incorrect rounding. It's a 162-game season, doing what it takes to win also involves making sure that your team is able to win in September, as we discovered to our cost last year. So far this season, I really don't recall thinking "hey, he should have been left in there". Our starters are usually showing clear signs of fatigue by the time they're pulled out. Also, cold, damp weather conditions and it being early in the season serve to increase the chance of injury if a starter is left in too long. Injuries to starters don't help your team win, or are you forgetting watching the likes of Jason Vargas and Geremi Gonzalez get shelled over the last couple of years? Calling it three seasons is incorrect rounding.

It’s a 162-game season, doing what it takes to win also involves making sure that your team is able to win in September, as we discovered to our cost last year.

So far this season, I really don’t recall thinking “hey, he should have been left in there”. Our starters are usually showing clear signs of fatigue by the time they’re pulled out.

Also, cold, damp weather conditions and it being early in the season serve to increase the chance of injury if a starter is left in too long. Injuries to starters don’t help your team win, or are you forgetting watching the likes of Jason Vargas and Geremi Gonzalez get shelled over the last couple of years?

]]> By: Hubie http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161078 Hubie Fri, 09 May 2008 19:59:53 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/09/stats-late-game-frustration/#comment-161078 Mingo, I disagree with you. No need to have the starters throw over 120 pitches this early in the season. Perhaps later in the season in a crucial circumstance, but we have already have two gimpy starters so we don't need Johan or Maine having a dead arm come August. Also, I really can't think of any games where Willie has yanked the starter too soon. Mingo, I disagree with you. No need to have the starters throw over 120 pitches this early in the season. Perhaps later in the season in a crucial circumstance, but we have already have two gimpy starters so we don’t need Johan or Maine having a dead arm come August. Also, I really can’t think of any games where Willie has yanked the starter too soon.

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