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In the second game of a doubleheader, the Mets (18–16) lost to the Reds (15–22) by the score of 7 to 1.
For a full recap, go to SNY’s Boxscore.
You win some, you lose some, and once in a while it happens in the same day.
After a rocky first inning, a mouthguardless Mike Pelfrey settled in and had a decent outing overall. He got into trouble a few times, but went 6 innings, allowing just two runs on eight hits.
Bronson Arroyo bounced back nicely after his last outing by pitching eight innings and nearly shutting out the Mets.
Fully rested after a pregame nap, Keith almost started eating ribs during the broadcast…classic.
David Wright attempted to score from first on a Carlos Beltran double in the third, but was gunned down at the plate by a perfect relay initiated by Ken Griffey Jr. Wright also came close to a home run in the fifth to no avail…it’s a game of inches as David will attest.
In the eighth, Duaner Sanchez gave up two runs which put the game out of reach. Gary Cohen noted how Sanchez was inappropriately booed, but it was nothing like what Aaron Heilman has been getting lately. Heilman pitched a perfect seventh by the way.
The wheels fell off in the ninth. Errors by Wright and Carlos Delgado helped three runs score, none of which were charged to Billy Wagner, whose ERA remains at 0.00.
Get some rest boys, go out there tomorrow and win the series. These are the ones you need to take.
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I knew after the first inning the Mets would lose this one. You can just get a feel sometimes after their first at-bats.
That being said, they really need to win tomorrow. I mean really really.
Does this team know what a winning streak is..Its nuts if we win 3 then we are going to lose 3 or 4, Maybe we could have the guy who played the manager in Major League come in for a pep talk. He knew the meaning of a winning streak.
It was as if it was literally two different met teams today! The black jersey mets team played really well, the white jersey met team doesnt belong in the MLB!
Well the loss wasnt that bad, but we shoulda had it! D-Wright getting thrown out at 3rd set the tempo for the rest of the game in the Red’s favor.
Did Willie Randolph actually want to lose this game? I mean did he expect Bronson Arroyo to pitch terribly again? Randolph underestimated the Reds and definately did not put the best offensive lineup out there. I understand removing Alou but taking out him and Ryan Church? Then taking out Luis Castillo as well. On top of that, why not add on to the mess by making the inconsistent Pelfrey work with a different catcher?
These are the moves that make me question Randolph’s managing abilities. Did he want to throw this game away?
Everyone will say that Pelfrey pitched well today. I disagree.
First, Pelfrey is pitching against a worn lineup that already worked in the afternoon. Pelfrey line may look nice, but he still lost. It wouldn’t surprise me if he stunk it up his next time out.
The loss today completely erases any of the positivity that was gained from the win earlier today.
I cannot stand WIllie, but you are off base here. Church asked out because he was not feeling well. Schneider cannt catch both ends of a double-header. Castillo stinks and is no improvement on Easley. I had no issue with the lineup in the second game.
Ryan Church was not feeling well? Give me a break. Instead of using Schneider with Santana, Randolph should have used Ramon Castro in the first game. Castillo is no improvement over Easley? I disagree whole-heartedly.
“Ryan Church was not feeling well? Give me a break.”
What are you saying? I made it up? Church made it up? What’s your point?
Castro is a better hitter then Schneider either way, what is your point with the catchers? Pelfrey did fine w/o Schneider, Pelfrey was not the reason we lost today. What is your point? you’re making no sense.
Yeah, he lost me too.
pelfrey pitched fine, regardless of who caught him. to be fair though, castro hasn’t had a big-league at bat in how long?
they said that church wasn’t feeling well, neither was reyes. this was still the b lineup though. why not mix it up between the early and late game so you don’t have such a disparity?
Pelfrey has pitched much better with Schneider catching him, that was his point.
Also, Willie could have staggered the game the hitters did not play in so they wouldnt all be out of game 2.
His points are valid, IMO.
stagger who? Castillo who everyone on this site hates? Alou? Church? I”m doubting Church told Willie, hey coach, i’m ok for the first game, but i’m sitting later….
Church being out couldn’t have been forseen, he got sick at some point, arguing that point shows me that Met fans are just insane. So “staggering” the players makes no sense, because you didn’t know Church wouldn’t play. Alou had to play one or the other either way, and Schneider isn’t a very good hitter (as many on this site would additionally agree with).
Castro is not in the league of Schneider in any part of the game. I gauruntee you Schneider doesnt flail weakly at a slider and then swing through and 86 mph fastball right down the heart of the plate with the bases loaded and 1 out. Castro gets hits in blowouts. He is garbage. When he comes up in a big spot (just like most of the Mets), he doesnt change his approach. Not to mention he gets hurt everytime he is presented a chance to start. I almost would hav rather traded him off and just kept Casanova. I swear to god, by just watching this team bat you wouldnt know if they are down 9-0 in the 8th inning, or if it is a tie game with the winning run on 3rd with 1 out. They are the worst situational team I have ever seen in my life. And normally, when the 3rd base coach sends a runner home, and the second baseman has already obtained possesion of the ball and is only about 150 feet from the plate, the runner gets thrown out by a mile. And what a surprise! Wright got thrown out by 40 feet.
and darkstar, i normally agree with you, but Willie has a horrible habit of running his starting lineup out there 10 days in a row, and then on the 11th day playing every single bench player we have. Its like giving away a game out of every 10. This isnt the first case of this. Of course, he will tell you I love my bench and I trust my guys, but that still doesnt mean its not stupid to put them all in on the same day, instead of resting 1 starter at a time,
That may be the case but he did not do that here. He played it the way that every other MLB manager would do a DH.
your arguments make no sense, on one hand you’re bashing Willie for not putting the best team out there to win THIS game, and then you go and say Pelfrey still sucks. Thing is, how Pelfrey pitched has nothing to do with us losing, say what you will about how it happened, but 6 IP of 1 run ball is good enough to win most of the time. As for not playing the regulars, if you watched the game, Church was mentioned as not feeling well and HE asked out, why would Willie sit him? are you that naive? As for Schneider, you don’t play your catcher day game, night game in the same day, followed by a day game tomorrow. He has to take one game off, and Pelfrey did fine with out him. Alou can’t play 2 times a day and neither can Castillo (and i’m sure you’re one of those fans that just looooves castillo too…). Wake up and face reality man. Willie ain’t a genius, but you’re making yourself look like the moron here.
I don’t “loooooves” Castillo. He is just better than Damion Easley. Next, the idea of a Santana and Castro battery is better than a Pelfrey and Castro battery because Santana has more experience to handle the different situation. Also, Pelfrey with Schneider would make him more comfortable.
Next, I don’t mind Alou sitting out. But taking out him and the Mets best hitter right now in Ryan Church makes no sense whatsoever. Ryan Church needs to gut it out and play. All he has to do is stand in the outfield anyway since Pelfrey is a groundball pitcher.
yet in your original post your ripped on Willie for not having Church in there…get your story straight man
Yeah, and he blasted Willie for not having his regular lineup in there, but then he said Pelfrey’s good pitching line doesn’t count because he was facing a Reds lineup that was “worn” from the first game. I guess Baker should’ve put in some bench players instead of that “worn” lineup, huh?
Ryan Church did gut it out and play in the first game. Then look at his first 2 ABs against Belisle, he was completely overpowered. You can’t ask a sick man to go out there and play twice in one day. Pelfrey’s line is irrelevant to be honest. Do you honestly believe he would’ve pitched a complete game shutout with Schneider in the game? Or are you saying that because Pelfrey may have let up one less run if Schneider were catching that would somehow spark the offense to get more runs? Both Alou and Castillo are injury prone veterans and putting them out in the 2nd game could’ve put them on the 15 day DL. So tell me what is worse, losing this game or losing Castillo for nearly 3 weeks? And as for the “all Church would have to do is stand in the outfield” comment I really don’t know what to tell you. Does Pelfrey get 100% groundballs? Did Endy not make a couple plays, one of which he caught on the run? That seems like a tad more than standing in the outfield to me.
the moral of the story is CityMets is an ignornamus….did willie expect arroyo to pitch bady again - the guy has a 7 era, so yeah, probably. castillo has half a good knee, he’s never playing the day and night game. neither is schneider nor is a 42 year old alou so start them in the matinee and let them play tomorrow. and btw easley is a better hitter than spanky castillo who looked bad in game 1. church didn’t feel well..he gets the game off and no one says a word about it since he is the team mvp so far. pelfrey pitched well so who cares who his battery mate is. take the split, be happy wright is going the ther way and beltran is waking up, be glad we didn’t have to kill the bullpen and pelfrey pithced well and roll out the A lineup tomorrow and take the series.
Right with us playing tomorrow you are going to get Alou and Castillo in the 1st game and even if he knew that Church did not feel well he might be inclined to get him in the first game and then back to get fluids in the 2nd.
Willie did not cost the team this game with ingame or mangerial decisions. If you want to say that he did not motivate them go ahead but he did fine everywhere else.
I have no confidence whatsoever In Perez tomorrow to be the stopper. He will walk the ballpark, get out of sync and then start giving up hits. By the time we play the Yankees our bullpen guys will be dragging their arms. Don’t we face Pettite, Wang and Mussina? Great.
Those guys they can handle. Thank goodness they miss Rasner though.
Yeah, the Mets cant face young kids they dont have a lo of experience with because their advance scouting is awful. Mussina and Pettitte hardly intimidate anybody at all, Wang will be tough though. I have no issue with facing old and worn down Pettitte or moose though.
why are you a fan? you are scared of mussina? take your negativity and go watch girls field hockey and stop posting here.
The defensive “effort” by Delgado on that ground ball single to right field by Bako in the 9th was pathetic.
He doesn’t dive. I respect what he has done in his career, but I can’t wait to have someone else there.
It was a total Roger Dorn. He barely even bent over. At least PRETEND you’re trying out there.
LOL @ Roger Dorn…Cut the rah rah sh**, Taylor…Classic.
mets fans have every right to boo. given the fact that we are in a recession, one would think ticket prices would be made more affordable. nope. i asked a guy at the mets ticket office why ticket prices have gone up so much. he told me that they needed to increase prices to pay for johans contract. this is what we get?
im sorry if 10000 other fans and i boo, but no one wants to dish out hundreds of bucks to watch a .500 team. sometimes i feel that the fans, especially the readers of this blog, care more about the outcome of the game than the players.
You only feel that way “sometimes”? I feel that way all the time.
Ticket prices went up before Johan was acquired
Ticket prices went up because they are going up again next year in Citifield and the Mets wanted to lessen the blow. If they didn’t experience a 20% increase this year there would be a 40% jump in average ticket prices going into next year. This makes it seem like less of a jump in prices going into Citifield. Yeah yeah I know it doesn’t actually change the total percentage but I never said it made sense to do it, that’s just how it is unfortunately.
Rational post alert.
It’s all about supply and demand or whatever. :)
Vaya con Dios and say hello to Mary Ford.
then simply don’t invest your time or money. money talks and b.s walks. but fyi, there will be a gaggle of people willing to take your spot.
Isiah,
I agree with your anti-Willliness. However, we are not, technically, in a recession. A recesion is two consecutive Quarters of negative GDP. GDP growth has been anemic the past two quarters (basically flat two quarters ago and a positive 0.6% last quarter).
Now, the Mets have been in recession for about a year or more, while Willie Randolph’s brain is in a permanent depression.
I aslo slightly disagree with the prices being a reason to boo. Boo the collapse and the lack of accountability. Boo bad, inconsistent play and poor effort. Boo Willie every time he exits the dugout. But to boo over prices is kinda like booing yourself thanks to supply/demand, your own choice to pay the prices, etc.
IsiahRandolph-Im going to explain to you why I don’t get the booing….First off, everything is based on this one premise: All Mets fans want the team to win. Now, the people that boo make it that much harder for the Mets to win. Im not one to support lacksidasical(sp?) play. However, since I want my team to win, I’ll support them no matter what. The booing is counterproductive, assuming that the boobirds want the team to win as well.
Ticket prices went up before the Mets signed Santana.
“it’s nice to get one of them” and other assorted excuses
I love how a lot of people in the media are chastising Mets fans for booing. It makes me laugh. I am not pessimistic about the season because I still think there is time to change but I understand the booing whole-heartedly.
The Mets lost in the 2006 NLCS in a heartbreaker and then followed it up with the greatest collapse in baseball history. Do the Mets expect their fans to just forget all of that? Who is paying for these players overpriced contracts? There are doctors and more important people in the world that are not even being paid close to what the 25th man on a Major League roster is making. So when you are making multi-million dollars a year I expect hustle, emotion, and results.
Fans have the right to boo all around the MLB because of the prices nowadays. Mets fans especially have the right to boo because of how the last two seasons ended. ‘
Now I’m expected to pay for a $5 hotdog at the park and other inflated merchandise just so I can watch a .500 team with a 138+ million dollar payroll? I don’t think so.
I say boo and boo to your hearts content.
“So when you are making multi-million dollars a year I expect hustle, emotion, and results.”
I’ll take the first two and let the chips fall where they may for the third one.
You don’t “let the chips fall where they may” with a team with a 138+ million dollar payroll.
All you can ask is that the players hustle and play their hearts out. Sometimes they do that and still get beat. It happens. There’s another team out there that’s trying to win, too. To boo in that instance makes you look stupid.
Having said all that, I do NOT think this team hustles and plays its heart out in every game, which is really sad.
First off, love your blog, Toasty.
Here’s my thing about playing its heart out: I think it’s real easy to confuse not executing with not trying. If anything, I think the guys on this team are pressing in big spots.
It seems to me that they lack confidence because frankly, they have underachieved severely for a full calendar year.
And then we also have players that are not very expressive, so it’s easy to say they lack desire.
Maybe I overrate them as players or maybe I overrate their drive. I think if this team goes on a sustained winning streak, it won’t look back. But they something always holds them back from doing that.
I mean, how many hard hit balls did the Reds even hit in the late innings? So frustrating.
Danny - thanks for reading! I see your point, but I’ve seen way too much lackadasical play, taking things for granted, not running out ground balls, not running out deep fly balls, mental lapses, and overall lack of hustle to think it’s “pressing.” Maybe at the plate you can say some of them are pressing - but in the field and on the basepaths, I see laziness.
Well, with the hustling thing, I see that all over the league. I mean, I appreciate guys like Ryan Freel that run every ball out like it’s their last at-bat but sadly, he’s in the minority in the bigs.
Defensively, the Mets always rate in the top half of the league. They make mental errors all the time, but so does every team. I’m not sure if the Mets are worse or not. It’s hard to say.
We watch the Mets every day and we see their every move, but when I watch other random games, I see the other teams doing the same crap that frustrates us when we watch this team. I mean, watch the Marlins play defense, it’s comical.
I don’t know, I think these guys do play as hard as everybody else. I understand why our fanbase is so frustrated, but I just wish we could go back and make Shea Stadium a true homefield advantage again, and not a war zone.
Only winning will pull the Mets out of this, that’s why I hope so much for a sustained winning streak.
Great post, the players and the fans Have to move on from last year. Learn from it and move on. Give each other a chance.
I’ll move on the day anybody is held accountable. Willie gone? I’ll move on. Choose to can Omar too or instead? Fine, I’ll move on. But the franchise has to show that they are making an effort to turn the page.
you’re the sucker then, you continue to shell out money to the Mets and at the same time complain about it, that to me, is a sucker, not a fan who deserves to boo.
I laugh because these same fans were making fun of Philly fans for booing 2 years ago.
If being a sucker means remaing a loyal Mets fan despite the hard times, then I am a sucker.
What I don’t understand about booing is this:
When Delgado and Heilman are doing terrible do they expect us to cheer them? When someone is doing bad, you make it clear to them that they are doing so.
I wouldn’t expect to be cheered if I was horrible for a long period of time. Mets fan boo because they care.
If Mets fan didn’t boo when the Mets players are doing bad then they would be content with not playing well.
They wouldn’t feel the urgency to perform better as much if they weren’t being heckled.
“What I don’t understand about booing is this:
When Delgado and Heilman are doing terrible do they expect us to cheer them? When someone is doing bad, you make it clear to them that they are doing so.”
How about silence? You think they don’t know when they’re “doing bad” unless they hear it from you? p.s. - I wasn’t at the game, and I don’t often boo because I think it’s retarded, but I would’ve booed the Delgado “effort” on the Bako single in the 9th. Pathetic.
Silence gets you nowhere. You need to speak up in order for the players to hear you. The players are not affect by silence, they have all that money to hide behind.
So if the fans weren’t booing Aaron Heilman, he’d be thinking that he was having an awesome year so far? You’re giving disgruntled fans like me a bad name with logic like that.
Right,
With Heilman he lacks confidence in himself anyone can see that. So what is the boing going to show him? Maybe he can’t cut it in NY if he can’t handle booing but he is here now and we need him to win. He will be gone soon enough because there is no way he is going to stay. So unless he gets traded before then booing is not going to help him.
With Delgado, it’s really kinda sad. I would tend not to boo him because he’s just old and lost it. He does not have the ability that he had before. That has to be frustrating for a guy that once put up HOF type numbers to become an embarrassment to himself. I am sure he is trying and thinking in the back of his mind I can still do this but it’s clear he is struggling. But to think a guy like Delgado is just dogging it and does not want to hit like an allstar again is just silly.
citymets amuses me, you actually think your booing means something positive? that you booing somehow alerts the players to their bad play? and that they should suddenly play better? hey, I wish it was that easy! But seriously, your thinking reminds me of a 14 year old child at the end stages of puberty, is still a momma’s boy, and who thinks he’s the center of the world, but is still incredibly immature and unrealistic, and just generally annoying. Definition of a punk kid. It’s the same thinking as, the players only care when they’re winning, when they lose, they don’t care, they have no fire. Same thing. Just not a rational thought process. Concrete thinking, but not quite at the level of abstract thinking that most young adults achieve. I hate to bash on my own kind, but the notion that Met fans are “sophisticated” or “intelligent” is a joke. A complete an utter joke.
While obviously I agree Darkstar, I think that as rational posters we can see why they are negative. They have every right to be but I can’t help but be rational and I guess they can’t help but be irrational. I could not understand what happen last year at the end of the season. What I saw was a team that could not get out of their own way and with every loss and Philly win they started to press harder and harder to make things happen and then could not do the little things and started making errors because of it and having bad AB’s and pitchers at the sign of trouble were here we go again.
What an irrational person see’s is a team that has no fire and is dogging it. Why do they say that, because they can’t explain what happen and just use catch phrazes to explain it all away. Kinda like Willie with the will getem tomorrow.
All this being said, there was nothing that made me anymore angry than last September with our team in the middle of an incredible pennant race and instead of cheering their ass off to try and push their team to the win like most teams would do that close to the playoffs, these dumbass fans booed.
Darkstar, so you are actually saying that silence will make the team better? When we cheer the team that we love we can’t boo them either? That is not how it works in life and definitely not in baseball either. If all Mets fans could scream in unison to Heilman “Stop throwing your fastball over the plate” then that would be the best resolution but that obviously is not going to happen. That is why we boo.
Maybe I’m a little worked up that D’Antonio got picked over Mark Jackson but that is what loving the Knicks does to you. You end up be overcritical over every single thing.
I mean really now. D’Antonio does not match up well to pressure and criticism, and NY is the media capital of the world. Next, he is a caucasian male that will coach a team that is mostly African-American. Then he has a run-and-gun style of offense when the Knicks have NO OFFENSE WHATSOEVER. D’Antonio doesn’t teach defense, and the Knicks don’t have any defense to begin with? It’s going to be a long 08-09 season.
Anyway Lets Go Mets.
Preaching to the Choir brother.
This is a perfect example of a game where, if they had lost 2-1 or 3-1, you tip your cap to Arroyo and move on. But what happened in the late innings was really pathetic, and nicely sums up how lazy, sloppy and disinterested this team so often plays under Willie Randoplh.
TO GO !!!! This is another sub 500 team and we between the 2 games we scored 13 and they scored 13 runs. That is nothing to write home about? We had the bases loaded and 1 out and did not score, thats what will and DID kill us. We won game one, but it was not pretty and we lost game 2 and it was not pretty either. We let another game get away in the late innings, this scares me. IF we make it to WAGS Im confident that we will win, once the starter comes out until the 9th I WORRY. the 7 and 8 innings are when the other team makes a move and we loose. Now we have to have a 5 game winning streak.
fire willie
Fire the whole team…Manager, coaches, players, hell even give the ball boys the pink slip.
Overreacting a little bit eh? All you can hope for is more work ethic and effort out there.
ITS OVER ONE CALANDER YEAR OF UNDER .500 BASEBALL…..SOME CHANGE HAS TO BE MADE …AND IT STARTS WITH WILLIE….ITS PRETTY CLEAR NOW WHY NO OTHER TEAM INCLUDNG THE REDS…BREWERS….AND ROYALS WOULD GIVE HIM A JOB….HE JUST LACKD BASEBALL INTELIGENCE….IVE HAD ENOUGH….ITS TIME FOR A CHANGE
Keith I know you’re reading! Help me get a Mets job, an SNY job, I’m asking because I know you’re there! I know you can hear me!
Keith, I’ll even give you my cell right here for all these nutjobs to see! Tell me I don’t want it! Ok maybe not but I’d do a lot of things, a LOT of things man!
Where is “The Real”????
TELL US HOW WONDERFUL EVERYTHING IS!!!!!
Hey the ReallyinsaneMetsfan go back and find one post that I said that we were good.
The double header killed this series.
Let’s take a Poll…..
Over or Under 87 1/2 wins???
I say under (86-76)
I little to early for that my friend
Why? They do over/under before the season starts.
Vegas oddsmakers have it at 92.5
I’m just saying. Don’t taser me, bro.
Kinerskornerman - The saying is: “Dont Tase Me, Bro!”
wow. youre smart kiner
Ravi, you are correct. Thanks for the clarification.
Isiah, not sure where you are coming from, but I’m hoping you are sincere.
over (89-90)
I think the booing is now just for the team in general… for christs sake Pelfrey had a better day than Johan.
The Marlins are a great example of a team that is hungry. The want it! The Mets clearly don’t.. They don’t want, not anymore. Who knows why? I hate this,,
The fans what it so bad and thats where the negativity comes from. Its an in balance between fans and players. you would see no negativity with fans if this team came out and showed some heart and guts. it wouldn’t matter if they lost cause we would know they played there hearts out. thats what stinks.. is they don’t.. It seems like losing is not a big deal to them.
Where has the pride gone?
Totally, totally agree. You hit it on the head in all respects. Great post.
The Mets need to be infused with a new energy. A fire needs to be lit under this team because the system right now is just too unstable. Willie Randolph’s stoicism is just not cutting it because his players cannot backup his pride. Carlos Delgado has had more than enough time to figure out what is wrong with his hitting and he still remains inconsistent. He is starting to bring his woes with him to the field because he is lethargic with the glove. If only the Mets players had the passion of the fans then maybe we could get somewhere.
What’s wrong with Delgado’s hitting is he is old and does not have the ability that he once had. He actually reminds me of Piazza’s last season. Offense was a shell of what he was, he was continually trying to be the old Mike and just couldn’t do it. Then what happens, his average at best defense falls off the face of the map and the transformation from MVP to AARP is complete.
I totally agree too, even after the 2006 NLCS the fans were still happy with the team and we couldn’t wait until the 2007 season. There was no booing or unhappiness until this team morphed into a desireless whore of a baseball team during 2007.
That’s not true, RIMF. Beltran was booed from the begining of 2007.
I don’t know gents, I’m scared that our window is almost closed. We had something special there for a while but that is almost completely gone now.
This team was truly magical once. They played like they had something to prove. Not just to themselves but to the world. They cared about this team and its fans. Its was only 2 years ago and it feels like a completely different team. Someone needs to remind these guys what it means to put on that uniform.
Maybe it’s a little of both, maybe the team would show more heart and guts if the fans were pushing them instead kicking them. Then in turn the fans would cheer more and then players would play harder and you would have 2006 again. I think you put it right when you said it is a balance but thing you said it was basically a onesided affair.
I’m interested, seriously in:
1.) What, then do you make of the better home record with “all the boos” that you seem to think somehow deflate the team and ead to poor play?
and
2.) Did you just block out Matt’s excellent interview with Darryl over boogate? The one where Darryl basically said what every Mets fan older than 12 knows - that the boos are nothing new at Shea and are not a big deal. He laughed it off , was very dismissive of the “scandal” as he found it not anything new at all…and said how he missed having passionate fans when he played in LA.
KEITH!
This is Keith. Shut up.
Took long enough for that one… one life to live man!
LET’S GO METS!
I’d say Keith is God too but now that would just sound so fake, even if it’s sincere…
There are two words that would make this team hustle and play with emotion:
1. Wally
2. Backman
There are two things that need to be removed in order to speed up the process:
1. Delgado
2. Beltran
They can take Castillo with them.
Beltran is underappreciated. Make a list of all the starting CF’s in MLB and look it over.. he is a rare commodity who is one of the good things we have going for us, regardless of his (offensive) performance as of May 10th.
amen…who’s better in centerfield than beltran right now? the guy is money out there. people get so focused on offense. the guy is fantastic out there.
he’s coming around. Had 5 rbi today. Looks like the boo’s are starting to work.
I’m obsessed with this concept.
Actually they have kinda left Beltran alone through this. He just gets the same guys booing over the 2006 strikeout.
There is literally no reason to be worried about Beltran. He has had some bad luck and no protection. His power will rise as the temperature rises
Very true although always streaky we proved on here Friday that the summer months are always better for Beltran.
Beltran is the least of our worries. I thought Kevin’s rport today on how his quad reacted to the knee surgery and how that means he has had a weird stance from the left side was informative. He’s hit into some bad luck. He’ll be fine. Plenty of problems with this crew and Beltran isn’t one of them.
i rip on this team like crazy, but to anyone who criticizes beltrans heart, remember that he played in september against the marlins with a severly banged up knee. that game, he made a game saving catch running into a fence.
That was when the team was hungry. Would you rather have a team that blows away the NL East and finished 15 years in a row 6-15 games ahead of the rest and blows it in the Playoffs and WS like the Braves? Or would you rather have a HOT team like the Mets in 2006 that blows it in the Playoffs once? Or a team that plays OK during the season and makes the playoffs as the WC if at all and then wins it all? I have suffered through so many BAD seasons as a METS fan I cant count them. The best season EVER that I can remember was 2006. 2007 sucked and so far 2008 is looking like a continuation of 2007. I want them to get back into 2006 fourm and run away with it all. STOP TEASING us and PLAY !! WIN WIN WIN !!!!!
There were two ushers booing.
Really, there were. I’ve never seen that before.
That is just sad
Who were they booing?
It must have been the young ladies that asked “go out with you?” and started to hysterically laugh.
Did the booing make the young ladies any more willing to go on a date?
Heilman. And one of them was chirping about Willie.
This is my opinion, but if you’re going to be a fan, be a fan. If you’re going to be an usher and get paid to be there, be an usher, and leave the crowd noise to the crowd. It’s not appropriate or professional. I have a funny feeling they would be ex-ushers if their supervisor caught them doing it.
I know what you mean. I am a basketball coach and just got back from a tournament today. I can’t stand when right beside of me the scorekeeper is jumping up and down and cheering on their team, yellling at the ref and being a normal fan. If you want to do that then get the hell on the other side. Those guys signed up to be an usher at that point you have a job to do. Maybe I will stand up and start booing them for stale peanuts.
Makes sense. If you’re gonna boo partly b/c ticket prices are so high, you should at least pay for your tickets.
Heilman did well in the night game.
At least the food people are friendly and professional. They always laugh with me when they take my $15.25 for a plain burger and a beer.
They are laughing WITH me, right? :)
no they’re not…they’re laughing because the prices are very very very high
did you miss the sarcasm in “AlreadyMissShea”’s post? lol
I just got back from the game. Wow! Shea has become a very angry place. I will not be taking my 3 year old any time soon. Anyway, Wagner went ballistic in the dugout and threw the big gatorade coolers. Did they show that on tv?
Showed him stomping around. I would have enjoyed the Gatoraid toss, tho.
Did you think it was mistake to put him in that situation?
Depends on if the water cooler stunt works. Many on here say that’s a cure all so why not.
As for the rational part of my post, Wagner had not worked in a week. We know that sometimes he struggles in nonsave opprotunities but it’s not a “bad” decision.
TRS86, I agree with you more times that not, but I think the results bear out a bad call on this one.
He’s your closer and there’s 8 consecutive games coming up. We all know he’s an adrenaline junkie. I’d rather he toss on the side than put him in that spot.
Anyway, sorry you got villified earlier. Don’t lost heart. Your posts are appreciated here.
I am a teacher and a coach, I don’t get upset by ignorance or by name calling. But thanks for the support.
I just think that it was a non issue because Wagner had not pitched since last Sunday. He’s gotta pitch sometime and with it being a DH he needed to pitch today and should not bother him tomorrow.
You run the risk of tomorrow’s a blowout and really does not matter, do you pitch him then. No. Who knows how long a closer will go sometimes before he gets to pitch in a save situation. Sometimes it’s just about normal work. Maybe he would have thrown a bullpen session either way because of lack of work and Willie would have rather have used him than someone who had pitched 4/5 times this past week.
I don’t know if it was a mistake or not. It seems like it was though, but who knows…what do you think? It’s hard to say because of the double-header, who is actually available, etc…
I don’t think it was but should have been a nonfactor. Wagner has to be able to get beyond his issues with that but it’s not like he had stellar defense behind him. It would not have mattered who pitched there because the fielding was terrible and the offense was not going to hit Arroyo.
yes they did. i did notice that he used hid rught hand for all the punching
holy crap. his right hand. sorry i am very drunk. i drank a lot during the game
stache, early Budweiser today?
nope…gin…sorry
nicely done. Tanqueray, I hope, or else you may not be available for Tomorrow’s game.
of course i do tanqueray…but i still may not be available tomorrow…mother’s day you know…i need to start sweet talking my wife now and that is hard to do when you’ve been drinking gin all day
So you won’t be booing her, I suppse.
that’s the problem…i already did…damn
Tell her she can boo you until Father’s Day or at least until you come out of your funk. Hope it helps.
lol!…that’s exactly what i need!
you know keith hernandez is going to love this
I don’t understand why my comments don’t post!
Here’s an even stranger one for you. Try and post the last name of the Red who is closing in on 600 HR.
K e n G r i f f e y , J r
HA, I beat the filter!!!
Seriously, do you have any idea why you can’t post Grif’s normal name?
ken jr
okay it’s only the last name that won’t get through…weird
that’s what I’ve been trying to post!
I know I actually have came on here a few times to gage what you guys would think about trading for him to platoon with Alou and rotate with the other OF.
For some reason, the blog fileter hates him, so I just tried out a bunch of permutations of his name. The version with spaces between the letters gets through.
Mu-wa-hahahahahaha
i had the most amazing seats tonight. 1st row! Behind home plate! I got G-r-i-f-f-e-y to pose for a couple of pics wile he was on deck.
Nice work. Good guy, but he was clearly dogging it on Beltrans triple. If he did that in a Met uni, he would be burned alive by Metsblog posters.
Recall he turned down a big money deal with the Yanks so as not to come to NYC, even in his prime.
Just because a player does not want to play for the Yanks does not mean he does not want to play for the Mets and obviously it goes the other way. Plus Grif knows his days are numbered and wants to play for a contender. You may be right but to me it would be worth a try and sets up a deadly platoon in LF.
Why would he want to play for the Mets then?
You can’t post Merv G r i f f i n either.
Or Fred M c G r i f f
iff
weird
Does Tony Graffanino get thru?
Yeah, but Andy G r i f f i t h doesn’t.
Nothing with G R I F F will post. :)
Does that mean something else? Also I understand that many people are upset with Mets m anagement but why is that word blocked?
riff
we’re getting close
These filters are annoying but it’s because of posters such as the legendary firemets(m)anagement
Hmmmm. Gringo
KEN GRlFFEY JR!
sriff
mriff
Not Gringo how about Grifter ?
I think we broke the filter, boys
i don’t think we did man…it looks like a momentary lapse
Ken
This is the only filter I’ve seen that stops you from typing the name G r i f f e y just once every 90 days! Forget using extra spaces in your daily posting regiments. Who has time for that nonsense?
What about Steffi Graf ?
Stop hiding your HOF sluggers under that cap…ital letters.
I don’t own this filter. In fact, I don’t know anything about it.
Grifranco
Ken Grifranco, Jr.
As usual, Guisseppe is the key.
Is it the double ff or the g?
Riff
Is it the double ff or the g?
Grif
it’s the iffey
or maybe the fey
I think I got it.
The five letters in order G R I F F must have been from some scoundrel’s username, and poor Kenny G got caught in this unexpected trap. Sorry, Junior.
Tina Fey. not the fey.
time for good nite. See you back at the ballpark later today.
too funny. KEITH HERNANDEZ. holla on TV if you hear me.
kelly riFFa?
G r i f f rhymes with s p l i f f , which is what this team may need to play better…I am sure the 86 Mets had their share…
Just before each of his at-bats I would be like “jr come to the mets” and I definitely got a couple of smiles out of him
This is why I can’t get excited over a win anymore. This team has shown too often the knack of going right back to sleep after good wins. Nice exciting win in the first game, and go right back to careless, stupid, sleepwalking baseball in the second game.
Even the Mrs. predicted that the Mets would lose feebly in the second game… because (1) they got 12 runs in the first game and (2) Willie would bust out the crappy lineup for the second game… even if Pelfrey pitches a decent game (which he did, IMO)…
Quick question, who else besides me is not impressed at all by the Mets bench? Seems like Easley and Chavez are nothing but auto-outs these days.
I’m sorry, but Alou just got back, and he’s already getting rest?
This is what happens you hang your pennant hopes on aging, brittle players.
Come on you do you really want a 42 year old to play in a DH? As for the “B” lineup that has been discussed in length. Church was sick, no catcher will catch both games of a DH especially not one who has been injured. Alou is old and Castillo was due for a break. This was by far not just the normal Willie tinkering.
Hence my comment on what happens when you depend on aging, brittle players such as Alou and Castillo, especially when the bench really isn’t as solid as people want to think it is.
Chavez has really gotten a lot of mileage of that catch in the ‘06 NLCS. He is offensively challenged and is as close to an automatic out as you will have in a lineup. Easley, IMO, has lost a step, maybe two since that horrible injury he sustained last September. Anderson is off to a slow start, and Pagan is hurt right now. Castro just returned, so rust will be an issue with him.
Weak bench, IMO.
Not necessarily weak just not construed correctly. Too many of the same positions and players locked into backup positions. Easley needs to be the backup IF other than 1B. Anderson needs to be a LF/very occasional IF most just pench hitter. Pagan can be the OF backup. Thus that leaves room to get an OF/1B that can backup Alou and Delgado. That would make our bench much stronger.
There’s a guy in Pittsburgh that IMO can more than fit the bill (OF/1B backup/starter, and give Church a rest from time to time). I’m sure he’d like to come back to the Mets too…
Only difference is that Nady will cost real players while Botts would cost the PTBNL.
I’d try and get both…. Botts likely sooner than Nady.. who I can see be dealt at the trade deadline.
This team needs more than one move to shake things up.
I think Botts could help, but then one has to wonder if Willie will bother using him since he is not over 35 years of age.
Omar could probably snag Botts for a song right now.
This isn’t a knock on Easley, because even when he does hit he looks the same… But it always looks like he’s sleepwalking and like his facial expression is permanently frozen in place.
Could be botox.
Seriously, the bench has stunk so far, but we know what these guys are. Marlon is finally starting to hit. Easley and Endy have not been in many games yet.
If we could add some to the bench, it might be good, but the pitching situation makes it necessary to have multi-position bench players, which are tough to get.
I still think that Endy needs to be traded and we need to bring in a 1B/OF guy. That would free up Easley and Anderson again. Jason Botts would have been perfect but he cleared waivers. Consensus is that he still will never play for the Rangers again, however.
I totally agree re Endy. He has run his course here.
No sense in keeping a guy around for something he did two years ago. Besides, a healthy Pagan makes Endy redundant, except that Pagan is the better hitter. JMO.
I like Omar, but I think his talent evaluation skills have to come in question here.
Despite the early success, I’m not sold on Pagan taking over for Endy yet. Endy plays every OF position well. He just needs to hit more. Botts has potential, but do you see him replacing Marlnn?
Well not really, those guys did very well for us last season. Actually you could say bringing in Pagan shows he does have those skills. It’s just that Endy had one magical season off the bench but is not needed on the current team. When you need just one OF to fill in for just Floyd that’s ok for Chavez but with Delgado and Alou needing those breaks it would be a perfect fit for Botts who is a switch hitter and could fill in for either one.
Botts would replace Endy. Pagan can play OF well enough. Don’t forget that Church can play CF for Beltran and you can slide Pagan over if you are not comfortable with his defense. I just don’t think a LH backup OF that just can’t hit is needed that much on this team.
You’re making a good case. and great point about Church in CF. I see Endy as a late inning defensive specialist, but that might be too much of a luxury right now.
Whether it’s Endy or Pagan, one of them has to go, they definitely are redundant enough. It’s too inefficient to keep carrying both on the same bench; this is the National League. The 1B/OF type seems like the logical use of that spot. It would also be nice if we had a true backup MI type that can play 2B and SS, but that would have to come at the expense of probably Easley’s spot, and it’s far less of a pressing need.
Doesn’t Pagan still have options left? I thought I heard that during spring training. His bat has considerably cooled and past history shows he’s not a great hitter anyway, send him down for a bit. Someone on the aging roster will eventually go on the DL and he can be called up again. I think it is more important for Pagan to play a bit more consistently then he will now (even pre injury), while Endy can be okay just playing now and then and still perform (albeit a low level offensively).
And worse comes to worse Easliy has played both corner spots last year, so he can fill in, in a pinch.
I can’t believe people are complaining about Willies lineups.
Think about it before you complain:
1. Schneider caught the day game today so he can catch the day game tomorrow. If he had caught the night game only, he would not have caught tomorrow’s day game. Hence we get Schneider for two games instead of 1 and Schneider needs to catch Ollie as much as he might need to catch Pelfry (who did okay with Castro anyway)
2. Castillo can barely play two games in a row, let alone two games in the same day. Castillo, himself, even said earlier in the year that he needs more games off.
3. Church asked not to play the night game for whatever reason. It’s a long season and if a player asks out this early you usually give it to him. No manager would have made Church go out there in that situation.
Before bashing, think about it logically, or is that too hard?
The inconsistency is killing me as well, but it isn’t one mans fault.
Reds are much better team than their record suggests. Baker is trying to find the wheat from the chaff (assess) and hence their record. Just like the cubs in the first of half of last season.
If this series had been over 3 days, the mets would probably have swept but double headers (majority) end up in splits (mainly because of bullpens).
During the telecast, Cohen pointed out that 50% of doubleheaders result in a sweep.
well, thats pretty intuitive. considering one team wins the first game, there are two possible outcomes. The team that won game 1 either will win (sweep) or lose (split) game 2. since there are 2 outcomes that are basically evenly likely, there will be a 50% chance of a sweep.
Yes but it doesn’t take into account the quality of the opposition.
50% seems to more prove than disapprove the assertion.
i.e its a more of toss of a coin.
by the way, can we hire barack obama to be the next Mets manager? HOPE! CHANGE! YES WE CAN!
Barack Obama/Howard Johnson ‘08
I want Bob Barker. We won’t have to ask if we have a manager who will argue while Bob is out there kicking the umps in the face.
Hey Angel Hernandez, NOW you’ve had enough… *****!
Don’t care what anyone says, the true mettle of an athlete is his ability to suck it up when not a 100%. What do we have here a bunch of patsies?