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In the second game of a doubleheader, the Mets (18–16) lost to the Reds (15–22) by the score of 7 to 1.
For a full recap, go to SNY’s Boxscore.
You win some, you lose some, and once in a while it happens in the same day.
After a rocky first inning, a mouthguardless Mike Pelfrey settled in and had a decent outing overall. He got into trouble a few times, but went 6 innings, allowing just two runs on eight hits.
Bronson Arroyo bounced back nicely after his last outing by pitching eight innings and nearly shutting out the Mets.
Fully rested after a pregame nap, Keith almost started eating ribs during the broadcast…classic.
David Wright attempted to score from first on a Carlos Beltran double in the third, but was gunned down at the plate by a perfect relay initiated by Ken Griffey Jr. Wright also came close to a home run in the fifth to no avail…it’s a game of inches as David will attest.
In the eighth, Duaner Sanchez gave up two runs which put the game out of reach. Gary Cohen noted how Sanchez was inappropriately booed, but it was nothing like what Aaron Heilman has been getting lately. Heilman pitched a perfect seventh by the way.
The wheels fell off in the ninth. Errors by Wright and Carlos Delgado helped three runs score, none of which were charged to Billy Wagner, whose ERA remains at 0.00.
Get some rest boys, go out there tomorrow and win the series. These are the ones you need to take.
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I knew after the first inning the Mets would lose this one. You can just get a feel sometimes after their first at-bats.
That being said, they really need to win tomorrow. I mean really really.
Does this team know what a winning streak is..Its nuts if we win 3 then we are going to lose 3 or 4, Maybe we could have the guy who played the manager in Major League come in for a pep talk. He knew the meaning of a winning streak.
It was as if it was literally two different met teams today! The black jersey mets team played really well, the white jersey met team doesnt belong in the MLB!
Well the loss wasnt that bad, but we shoulda had it! D-Wright getting thrown out at 3rd set the tempo for the rest of the game in the Red’s favor.
Did Willie Randolph actually want to lose this game? I mean did he expect Bronson Arroyo to pitch terribly again? Randolph underestimated the Reds and definately did not put the best offensive lineup out there. I understand removing Alou but taking out him and Ryan Church? Then taking out Luis Castillo as well. On top of that, why not add on to the mess by making the inconsistent Pelfrey work with a different catcher?
These are the moves that make me question Randolph’s managing abilities. Did he want to throw this game away?
Everyone will say that Pelfrey pitched well today. I disagree.
First, Pelfrey is pitching against a worn lineup that already worked in the afternoon. Pelfrey line may look nice, but he still lost. It wouldn’t surprise me if he stunk it up his next time out.
The loss today completely erases any of the positivity that was gained from the win earlier today.
I cannot stand WIllie, but you are off base here. Church asked out because he was not feeling well. Schneider cannt catch both ends of a double-header. Castillo stinks and is no improvement on Easley. I had no issue with the lineup in the second game.
Ryan Church was not feeling well? Give me a break. Instead of using Schneider with Santana, Randolph should have used Ramon Castro in the first game. Castillo is no improvement over Easley? I disagree whole-heartedly.
“Ryan Church was not feeling well? Give me a break.”
What are you saying? I made it up? Church made it up? What’s your point?
Castro is a better hitter then Schneider either way, what is your point with the catchers? Pelfrey did fine w/o Schneider, Pelfrey was not the reason we lost today. What is your point? you’re making no sense.
Yeah, he lost me too.
pelfrey pitched fine, regardless of who caught him. to be fair though, castro hasn’t had a big-league at bat in how long?
they said that church wasn’t feeling well, neither was reyes. this was still the b lineup though. why not mix it up between the early and late game so you don’t have such a disparity?
Pelfrey has pitched much better with Schneider catching him, that was his point.
Also, Willie could have staggered the game the hitters did not play in so they wouldnt all be out of game 2.
His points are valid, IMO.
stagger who? Castillo who everyone on this site hates? Alou? Church? I”m doubting Church told Willie, hey coach, i’m ok for the first game, but i’m sitting later….
Church being out couldn’t have been forseen, he got sick at some point, arguing that point shows me that Met fans are just insane. So “staggering” the players makes no sense, because you didn’t know Church wouldn’t play. Alou had to play one or the other either way, and Schneider isn’t a very good hitter (as many on this site would additionally agree with).
Castro is not in the league of Schneider in any part of the game. I gauruntee you Schneider doesnt flail weakly at a slider and then swing through and 86 mph fastball right down the heart of the plate with the bases loaded and 1 out. Castro gets hits in blowouts. He is garbage. When he comes up in a big spot (just like most of the Mets), he doesnt change his approach. Not to mention he gets hurt everytime he is presented a chance to start. I almost would hav rather traded him off and just kept Casanova. I swear to god, by just watching this team bat you wouldnt know if they are down 9-0 in the 8th inning, or if it is a tie game with the winning run on 3rd with 1 out. They are the worst situational team I have ever seen in my life. And normally, when the 3rd base coach sends a runner home, and the second baseman has already obtained possesion of the ball and is only about 150 feet from the plate, the runner gets thrown out by a mile. And what a surprise! Wright got thrown out by 40 feet.
and darkstar, i normally agree with you, but Willie has a horrible habit of running his starting lineup out there 10 days in a row, and then on the 11th day playing every single bench player we have. Its like giving away a game out of every 10. This isnt the first case of this. Of course, he will tell you I love my bench and I trust my guys, but that still doesnt mean its not stupid to put them all in on the same day, instead of resting 1 starter at a time,
That may be the case but he did not do that here. He played it the way that every other MLB manager would do a DH.
your arguments make no sense, on one hand you’re bashing Willie for not putting the best team out there to win THIS game, and then you go and say Pelfrey still sucks. Thing is, how Pelfrey pitched has nothing to do with us losing, say what you will about how it happened, but 6 IP of 1 run ball is good enough to win most of the time. As for not playing the regulars, if you watched the game, Church was mentioned as not feeling well and HE asked out, why would Willie sit him? are you that naive? As for Schneider, you don’t play your catcher day game, night game in the same day, followed by a day game tomorrow. He has to take one game off, and Pelfrey did fine with out him. Alou can’t play 2 times a day and neither can Castillo (and i’m sure you’re one of those fans that just looooves castillo too…). Wake up and face reality man. Willie ain’t a genius, but you’re making yourself look like the moron here.
I don’t “loooooves” Castillo. He is just better than Damion Easley. Next, the idea of a Santana and Castro battery is better than a Pelfrey and Castro battery because Santana has more experience to handle the different situation. Also, Pelfrey with Schneider would make him more comfortable.
Next, I don’t mind Alou sitting out. But taking out him and the Mets best hitter right now in Ryan Church makes no sense whatsoever. Ryan Church needs to gut it out and play. All he has to do is stand in the outfield anyway since Pelfrey is a groundball pitcher.
yet in your original post your ripped on Willie for not having Church in there…get your story straight man
Yeah, and he blasted Willie for not having his regular lineup in there, but then he said Pelfrey’s good pitching line doesn’t count because he was facing a Reds lineup that was “worn” from the first game. I guess Baker should’ve put in some bench players instead of that “worn” lineup, huh?
Ryan Church did gut it out and play in the first game. Then look at his first 2 ABs against Belisle, he was completely overpowered. You can’t ask a sick man to go out there and play twice in one day. Pelfrey’s line is irrelevant to be honest. Do you honestly believe he would’ve pitched a complete game shutout with Schneider in the game? Or are you saying that because Pelfrey may have let up one less run if Schneider were catching that would somehow spark the offense to get more runs? Both Alou and Castillo are injury prone veterans and putting them out in the 2nd game could’ve put them on the 15 day DL. So tell me what is worse, losing this game or losing Castillo for nearly 3 weeks? And as for the “all Church would have to do is stand in the outfield” comment I really don’t know what to tell you. Does Pelfrey get 100% groundballs? Did Endy not make a couple plays, one of which he caught on the run? That seems like a tad more than standing in the outfield to me.
the moral of the story is CityMets is an ignornamus….did willie expect arroyo to pitch bady again - the guy has a 7 era, so yeah, probably. castillo has half a good knee, he’s never playing the day and night game. neither is schneider nor is a 42 year old alou so start them in the matinee and let them play tomorrow. and btw easley is a better hitter than spanky castillo who looked bad in game 1. church didn’t feel well..he gets the game off and no one says a word about it since he is the team mvp so far. pelfrey pitched well so who cares who his battery mate is. take the split, be happy wright is going the ther way and beltran is waking up, be glad we didn’t have to kill the bullpen and pelfrey pithced well and roll out the A lineup tomorrow and take the series.
Right with us playing tomorrow you are going to get Alou and Castillo in the 1st game and even if he knew that Church did not feel well he might be inclined to get him in the first game and then back to get fluids in the 2nd.
Willie did not cost the team this game with ingame or mangerial decisions. If you want to say that he did not motivate them go ahead but he did fine everywhere else.
I have no confidence whatsoever In Perez tomorrow to be the stopper. He will walk the ballpark, get out of sync and then start giving up hits. By the time we play the Yankees our bullpen guys will be dragging their arms. Don’t we face Pettite, Wang and Mussina? Great.
Those guys they can handle. Thank goodness they miss Rasner though.
Yeah, the Mets cant face young kids they dont have a lo of experience with because their advance scouting is awful. Mussina and Pettitte hardly intimidate anybody at all, Wang will be tough though. I have no issue with facing old and worn down Pettitte or moose though.
why are you a fan? you are scared of mussina? take your negativity and go watch girls field hockey and stop posting here.