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The Mets (19–16) defeated the Reds (15–23) by the score of 8 to 3 today in Shea Stadium.
For a full recap and stats, read SNY’s Boxscore.
In the first inning, Luis Castillo drove in Jose Reyes with an RBI triple. For those who do not know, I had ACL surgery on each of my knees – when Castillo runs, he makes my knees hurt. Castillo’s RBI triple was followed by an RBI single from Carlos Beltran, which was followed by an RBI single from Moises Alou. I love it when these guys string together hits and runs, and do not let the inning die.- Actually, the Mets looked to be taking very short, controlled swings and going with the pitches against Reds RHP Johnny Cueto, who throws very, very hard.
- Oliver Perez was in command today, throwing strikes with attitude. He cruised through the first five innings, but let his wheels come off, Ollie-style, in the sixth, complete with a walk and a wild pitch. Otherwise, he looked good today. The thing is, this is exactly what Billy Wagner was referring to a week or so ago – keep it together, Oliver, and maybe you get in to the next inning or so, and keep the lid on the bullpen. Oh well.
- The key, though, was the Mets coming back in the next at bat, after having their lead trimmed to three, only to get back-to-back, two-out, RBI singles by Damion Easley and David Wright.
- Carlos Beltran and Carlos Delgado are hot, going 10 for 21 in the three game series against the Reds.
- Ryan Church can play defense with the flu, just as well as when he doesn’t have the flu.
- Hats off to Perez, who also gets a game ball, for stealing second base and putting himself in to scoring position with two outs and Castillo at the plate. Perez did not score, but, I mean, go for it, why not. Good call, Willie.
- Question: Why are the umpires seemingly always confused by the rule book - as they were in the ninth, when the Reds hit out of order. Get it together, gentlemen. I mean, you’re the ump for pete’s sake. I would discuss this n more detail, or point out Willie calling on it too early, but a) it had no impact on the game, b) it happens once in a lifetime, and b) I’m not that smart.
- It’s hard to believe, as a baseball fan who grew up watching the game through much of the 1990s, but Ken Griffey Jr. is old and slow…which is sad…but such is life.
- Nice job by Pedro Feliciano, Scott Schoeneweis and Joe Smith for pitching three scoreless innings in relief.
The Mets start a four-game series with the Washington Nationals at Shea Stadium tomorrow.
Figgy is goin tommorrow weather permitting
Thanks.
It’s a 4 game series with Washington.
The umps are idiots.
wat happened in the dellay? can someone please explain that to me? i just turned on the game and somethign bout batting out of order? please explain
the reds batted out of order
they batted out of order, but it should have been much easier on everyone to get it straight. I have no idea why it was so long of a delay… no postgame either…
SNY = Post Game
WPIX = The Odd Couple
Mets win AND The Odd Couple, one of the all-time great sitcoms. I’ll take that anytime!
Can we get a Willie Poll tonight? Sometimes he just doesn’t have a clue. There was no reason to tattle on the Reds unless they got a hit.
That aside, the Mets almost seem like they are growing a pair.
Good win…keep it up guys.
boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
who the hell cares we won
Oh, did YOU know that was the rule?
Because the only person in the ballpark who apparently did was Gary Cohen. So bashing Willie = stupid.
Yes.
Fire willie and hire Gary Cohen to manage the team…. I would miss Cohen in the booth but he would show passion which willie never does.
That’s ridiculous. Wherever you fall on the fire Willie spectrum, you should expect your manager to know the rules. Especially a batting out of the order rule, because, though it almost never happens, when it does, it is exploitable if done correctly. This is like not know how to… double switch.
But if Dusty Baker, the umpires, jerry manual ALL didn’t know the rule - then why would we blame Willie?
Wow. Some of the comments on here continue to amaze. If somebody breaks the rules, you call them out on it. Doesn’t matter if it’s 1-0 or 10-0. It’s not the first time it’s happened in a lopsided game and it won’t be the last. And BTW, it was Jerry Manuel who apparently notified Randolph of the Reds’ flub.
“a) it had no impact on the game, b) it happens once in a lifetime, and b) I’m not that smart.”
Sorry Matt, I love ya, but this is way too easy of a joke. You kinda walked yourself right into that one, lol.
pretty sure it was intentional
that was the joke. jeez
**sigh**
I guess Perez is the only guy that ever goes 5 scoreless and then gives up runs in the 6th. It’s not like Alou shouldn’t have caught that ball or Schneider shouldn’t have blocked the wild pitch or nobody on the whole staff could get Keppinger out this weekend.
It just easier to say he collapsed “Ollie style” again.
Hard-hitting analysis.
Right around 85 pitches…done. It’s something how its been that way. Though a play or two could have helped, he had hit his wall and it was only a matter of time. Its always been how efficient he is with those 85 pitches that gets him further into games.
Oh, and Joe Smith owns Keppinger…lol
lol… thankfully somebody on the staff does.
I will consider your 85-pitch theory.
sure alou could have caught that ball. but the at bat before, in which church made a great catch, indicates that he did fall apart in the inning. he was all over the place, the reds were hitting the ball hard. even if he could have gotten out of the inning unscathed, its pretty clear he got worse in the 6th.
But he didn’t collapse, “Ollie style”, whatever that means.
Well he didn’t collapse Sisk style! It was Ollie, therefore it was Ollie style! ;)
Alou should have caught it, but that hit was smacked as was the foul that Church caught moments earlier. Ollie had a good outing, so no use complaining, but he looked like he was getting gassed a bit.
I agree he got gassed. I just get annoyed with the notion that he always “collapses”.
Wright continues to look horrible at the plate.
great addition to the rest of the wonderful commentary on this site…wait, i was trying to be sarcastic, but on second thought, you fit right in, carry on…
at least he is commenting on the game, and not on another dude’s comment - relax, buddy.
its true. wright has been off, but i have faith he can turn it around. hes probably the most consistent met we have.
as for beltran, hes definitely mr streaky. lets hope we can ride this hot stretch for as long as possible.
and as for delgado…. well i dont have any expectations. i think ultimately, he will improve and church will come down to earth a bit. the net effect will balance each other out.
Yes, Wright looks a little off. However, in the last 10 games, he also does have 2 home runs and 8 rbi’s, and is tied for 3rd in the NL with 31 rbi’s. Wright is the least of our worries. Even in a little bit of a rut the guy is contributing, not to mention his OBP leads the team. He will be fine. Especially with Beltran heating up and Church staying hot, I think in this series against the Nats we will see him click and everyone should be going quite nicely!
LET’S GO METS
Oh wow, I leave a comment when the place was dead and I come back to find out Darkstar had appointed himself the fan police. Dude, as honored as I am to have you respond to my comment, please commence to take your blue and orange head out of your a** and relax. I like Wright as much as the next dude, but the fact remains that he’s still swinging at garbage.
Beltran on the other hand, looked quite relaxed at the plate in this series. Hopefully this series is a sign of better things to come from him.
I agree that he is indeed struggling against righties, but everything we’ve seen from DW over the course of his career indicates that he’ll ultimately snap out of it and put up big numbers - remember how bad he looked in Spring Training and April last year. Plus, now that the rest of the (healthy) lineup is starting to hit, hopefully Wright will ease up on himself and not be overly anxious, as he’s been over the past couple of weeks.
Yes! Watching the Mets is Fun Again!
Apropos of perhaps nothing, Willie did absolutely nothing wrong in the ninth. I looked up the rule on the MLB site, and he did exactly what the rules require. If he wanted action taken, he had to call it to the ump’s attention before a pitch had been thrown to Patterson. That’s what he did. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, we can presume that he preferred to give Ross a chance to make another out, rather than have Feliciano face Patterson.
If anything, Willie did a smart thing in the ninth. I’d much rather take the out on Patterson and take my chances with a back-up catcher.
Thats not the point, ptang33 . If he lets Patterson hit in the 9th hole, REGARDLESS of what he does he is out. Instead of having 2 outs for free, he gets only 1 out (Since the catcher was already out).
And yes, Willie should have known this. It was a stupid move on his part, but it didn’t matter. But, its not a valid excuse to say the only person in the stadium who knew it was Cohen - thats simply not true.
Besides, Feliciano is lefty, Patterson is lefty, and Ross is righty. I believe lefty vs. lefty would have been the perferred matchup. Really should have let Patterson hit but it doesnt really matter now does it?
You are incorrect, sross07. I’m the world’s biggest Willie basher, but he did absolutely nothing wrong. Read Rule 6.07(b) thru 6.07 (d) of the official rules. Gary had it mostly right, but not quite.
Hey, Matt…. fact check: Beltran and Alou knocked runs home in the first with doubles, not singles.
Also, what’s up with your grammar and other errors in posts all the time? It was improving, but lately it’s been really bad.
i think he wants to churn out the post games asap. dont be so snooty with your correctly placed commas and apostrophes. heck, i go to an ivy league university and i type here with no regard for grammar, etc. who cares?
Well, uh, I’m a writer. Writing is what I do.
Matt is, for all intents and purposes, a journalist. He should abide by journalistic standards.
I have to agree with Andrew here. I cringe every time I read egregious errors (typos notwithstanding.) But Matt, above all others, should get his spelling and grammar near English.
I’ve never been bothered by it
I’m going to start booing Matt when I come across typos and/or misspelled words. BOOOOOOOOOOOO! That’ll teach him, imo.
are u serious here??????
I am serious here.
Heh, booing will just let him know how passionately we feel about this blog! He doesn’t care, he’s getting paid, but we live and die with this blog, and he needs to step up! ;)
I believe you have to say something to the ump before the 1st pitch is thrown to the next batter. Willie did the right thing.
Here’s the rule -
6.07 BATTING OUT OF TURN.
(a) A batter shall be called out, on appeal, when he fails to bat in his proper turn, and another batter completes a time at bat in his place. (1) The proper batter may take his place in the batter’s box at any time before the improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and any balls and strikes shall be counted in the proper batter’s time at bat.
(b) When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and the defensive team appeals to the umpire before the first pitch to the next batter of either team, or before any play or attempted play, the umpire shall (1) declare the proper batter out; and (2) nullify any advance or score made because of a ball batted by the improper batter or because of the improper batter’s advance to first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter or otherwise.
NOTE: If a runner advances, while the improper batter is at bat, on a stolen base, balk, wild pitch or passed ball, such advance is legal.
(c) When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and a pitch is made to the next batter of either team before an appeal is made, the improper batter thereby becomes the proper batter, and the results of his time at bat become legal.
(d) (1) When the proper batter is called out because he has failed to bat in turn, the next batter shall be the batter whose name follows that of the proper batter thus called out;
(2) When an improper batter becomes a proper batter because no appeal is made before the next pitch, the next batter shall be the batter whose name follows that of such legalized improper batter. The instant an improper batter’s actions are legalized, the batting order picks up with the name following that of the legalized improper batter. The umpire shall not direct the attention of any person to the presence in the batter’s box of an improper batter. This rule is designed to require constant vigilance by the players and managers of both teams. There are two fundamentals to keep in mind: When a player bats out of turn, the proper batter is the player called out. If an improper batter bats and reaches base or is out and no appeal is made before a pitch to the next batter, or before any play or attempted play, that improper batter is considered to have batted in proper turn and establishes the order that is to follow.
Then it looks like Willie was right. My apologies to Mr. Randolph.
dude, the next guy is still batting out of order…
True, if it wasnt brought to attention, Freel would then have been the legal batter, but Patterson was stepping up to the plate. If he had batted, he too would have been batting out of order. One thing though if Willie had let it go to try and get Patterson out of order and Dusty discovered the mistake during the at bat, he could have put Freel up without consequence. So it was best to address it when he did in hopes of facing the top of the order with 2 outs instead of one. It just didnt happen that way anyway due to Ross’ hit.
All he would have needed to do was call a pitchout on Patterson, than bring it to the umpires attention. Patterson would be called out, and Ross was already out……..
No, that wouldnt have happened JNGordon. Look at the first sentence of the rule SheaVendor graciously provided for us. “Another batter ‘completes’ a time at bat in his place”. He has to finish batting to be called out for batting out of turn. If he did what you suggested the umpire would have the other team put the proper batter in to finish the at bat with no penalty.
Read the rule, sross07. As soon as a pitch is thrown to the next guy, he automatically becomes the “correct” batter and the game proceeds from that point as if that was the correct lineup all along. As Casey said, “You can look it up.”
Really hard to believe that a 38 year old in his 20th season whos missed time with various leg injuries 10 years in a row looks old and slow.
It’s sad to see whether it’s hard to believe or not.
why the sarcasm?
like watching Jordan with the wizards…suddenly it sort of just hits you.
Recall earlier in the year when people were posting how bad our record was when Castillo was batting 2nd. Well this week 3-0 this week with Luis batting 2nd and 0-3 when he was not!
It was painful to watch baker and randolph go at it all series for the title of worst in-game-manager. How does baker continually get jobs? I feel bad for cincinati fans.
Don’t be too tough on those guys. Charlie Manuel and Joe Torre and no geniuses, either. Manny Acta has also made some wierd decisions.
Btw, besides the 9th inning today, where do you think Baker and Randolph went wrong this weekend? Just asking. I can think of two spots.
I was out Sat night, but the Sat afternoon game seemed perfect as far as Willie’s job.
Baker is a mess, so I wouldnt be surprised if he made a few flubs.
using Heilman and Sosa is both games of the double header is an interesting way to use the pen, but I guess those guys were good to go.
alright, I’m calling out Darryl Strawberry, for this post yesterday during the loss in the nightcap:
“This game is going to be Willie’s fault. Pelfrey had no business pitching to Hatteberg and Bako after giving up a hit to Keppinger with a lefty ready in the bullpen. Tomorrow is another loss with Perez imploding the way he has been. Losing two of three to the Reds is unacceptable.”
He then said to everyone who told him to chill out to “check back at 4pm today” and that he would be right. Well, where is he, since he was wrong? Why do I feel like he won’t be back on here till the Mets lose again? I have no problem with fans who recognize flaws with the team, but “fans” like that just make me ashamed to be a Mets fan sometimes.
Darryl Strawberry the poster, not the former Met/Dodger/Prisoner/Giant/Yankee
gomets, I was just thinking about that post. I asked him if he would apologize to the entire Mets family if he was wrong. Nice job calling him out.
Way to call him out dude. Serious props and thanks for doing that. I hate mets fans like the poster you just cited (Strawberry) and it also at times makes me too ashamed to be a mets fan.
What about “ReallyInsaneMetsFan” Who continually said “The Mets #$@ing Suck”. I wonder why he is not on here when we win?
Willie Randolph / Jerry Manuel misplayed their hand
Preface: I watched the game listening to the Cincinnati feed, so I don’t know what Gary Cohen said during the broadcast:
The official rules regarding illegal substitutions has already been posted and is posted again below.
1) Patterson (8th) was the scheduled batter
2) Ross (9th) actually went up to hit and made an out
3) Patterson then came to bat
4) Randolph protested that the Reds batted out of order before the next pitch.
a. In this case, the proper batter (Patterson) is called out, and the next proper batter in turn comes to the plate
5) Had Randolph NOT protested, and a pitch been thrown to Patterson, then the following would have occurred
a. Ross’s at bat would have been legalized, and his out would have stood.
b. The new proper batter is the one after the now legalized Ross, which would have been Ryan Freel (1st)
c. Had Patterson instead completed the at-bat and reached safely, the Mets could have then protested that Patterson batted out of turn and had him called out.
d. Had Patterson completed the at bat and made an out, then the Mets would also say nothing. The Reds would likely send Freel up next, whereas once Patterson’s at bat was legalized, the next proper batter would have been Ross (since Patterson’s at bat would have been legalized, the next proper batter is the one after Patterson, namely Ross). If Freel gets on safely, they could then protest his at bat and have him called out.
See the text of the relevant rulebook below, including the official examples which flesh the ruling out:
6.07 BATTING OUT OF TURN.
(a) A batter shall be called out, on appeal, when he fails to bat in his proper turn, and another batter completes a time at bat in his place.
(1) The proper batter may take his place in the batter’s box at any time before the improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and any balls and strikes shall be counted in the proper batter’s time at bat.
(b) When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and the defensive team appeals to the umpire before the first pitch to the next batter of either team, or before any play or attempted play, the umpire shall (1) declare the proper batter out; and (2) nullify any advance or score made because of a ball batted by the improper batter or because of the improper batter’s advance to first base on a hit, an error, a base on balls, a hit batter or otherwise.
NOTE: If a runner advances, while the improper batter is at bat, on a stolen base, balk, wild pitch or passed ball, such advance is legal.
(c) When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and a pitch is made to the next batter of either team before an appeal is made, the improper batter thereby becomes the proper batter, and the results of his time at bat become legal.
(d) (1) When the proper batter is called out because he has failed to bat in turn, the next batter shall be the batter whose name follows that of the proper batter thus called out;
(2) When an improper batter becomes a proper batter because no appeal is made before the next pitch, the next batter shall be the batter whose name follows Rule 6.07 56
that of such legalized improper batter. The instant an improper batter’s actions are legalized, the batting order picks up with the name following that of the legalized improper batter.
Rule 6.07 Comment: The umpire shall not direct the attention of any person to the presence in the batter’s box of an improper batter. This rule is designed to require constant vigilance by the players and managers of both teams.
There are two fundamentals to keep in mind: When a player bats out of turn, the proper batter is the player called out. If an improper batter bats and reaches base or is out and no appeal is made before a pitch to the next batter, or before any play or attempted play, that improper batter is considered to have batted in proper turn and establishes the order that is to follow.
APPROVED RULING
To illustrate various situations arising from batting out of turn, assume a first-inning batting order as follows:
Abel-Baker-Charles-Daniel-Edward-Frank-George-Hooker-Irwin.
PLAY (1). Baker bats. With the count 2 balls and 1 strike, (a) the offensive team discovers the error or (b) the defensive team appeals. RULING: In either case, Abel replaces Baker, with the count on him 2 balls and 1 strike.
PLAY (2). Baker bats and doubles. The defensive team appeals (a) immediately or (b) after a pitch to Charles. RULING: (a) Abel is called out and Baker is the proper batter; (b) Baker stays on second and Charles is the proper batter.
PLAY (3). Abel walks. Baker walks. Charles forces Baker. Edward bats in Daniel’s turn. While Edward is at bat, Abel scores and Charles goes to second on a wild pitch. Edward grounds out, sending Charles to third. The defensive team appeals (a) immediately or (b) after a pitch to Daniel. RULING: (a) Abel’s run counts and Charles is entitled to second base since these advances were not made because of the improper batter batting a ball or advancing to first base. Charles must return to second base because his advance to third resulted from the improper batter batting a ball. Daniel is called out, and Edward is the proper batter; (b) Abel’s run counts and Charles stays on third. The proper batter is Frank.
PLAY (4). With the bases full and two out. Hooker bats in Frank’s turn, and triples, scoring three runs. The defensive team appeals (a) immediately, or (b) after a pitch to George. RULING: (a) Frank is called out and no runs score. George is the proper batter to lead off the second inning; (b) Hooker stays on third and three runs score. Irwin is the proper batter.
PLAY (5). After Play (4)(b) above, George continues at bat. (a) Hooker is picked off third base for the third out, or (b) George flies out, and no appeal is made. Who is the proper leadoff batter in the second inning? RULING: (a) Irwin. He became the proper batter as soon as the first pitch to George legalized Hooker’s triple; (b) Hooker. When no appeal was made, the first pitch to the leadoff batter of the opposing team legalized George’s time at bat.
PLAY (6). Daniel walks and Abel comes to bat. Daniel was an improper batter, and if an appeal is made before the first pitch to Abel, Abel is out, Daniel is removed from base, and Baker is the proper batter. There is no appeal, and a pitch is made to Abel. Daniel’s walk is now legalized, and Edward thereby becomes the proper batter. Edward can replace Abel at any time before Abel is put out or becomes a runner. He does not do so. Abel flies out, and Baker comes to bat. Abel was an improper batter, and if an appeal is made before the first pitch to Baker, Edward is out, and the proper batter is Frank. There is no appeal, and a pitch is made to Baker. Abel’s out is now legalized, and the proper batter is Baker. Baker walks. Charles is the proper batter. Charles flies out. Now Daniel is the proper batter, but he is on second base. Who is the proper batter? RULING: The proper batter is Edward. When the proper batter is on base, he is passed over, and the following batter becomes the proper batter.