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The Mets (19–17) lost to the Nationals (16–23) by the score of 10 to 4 tonight in Shea Stadium.
For a full recap and box score, check out SNY.tv.
Is today September 24, 2007? If not, it sure feels like it.
Nelson Figueroa’s night started out well with a clean first inning strike out tow, but it went down hill from their. Figgy’s wildness was his downfall tonight – walking five which contributed to six runs in his five innings pitched. He got out of jams in the second, third and fourth innings allowing one run in each, but it caught up with him in the fifth when he allowed three runs to cross the plate, two of which came on a RBI double from Lastings Milledge.
You could also see he was clearly annoyed by the Elijah Dukes’ led little league cheers coming from the Nationals dugout in the third and fourth innings. And he should have been. I’m not sure what to make of it, but it’s clearly not something that belongs in a major league dugout.
You can sum up Jorge Sosa’s night in one word: Yuck! Sosa allowed four runs on four hits and two walks. It’s the fourth time this season he has allowed four or more runs in an appearance that has lasted less than two innings. If the Mets decide to option Joe Smith to the minors rather than DFA Sosa it will be a mistake. Sosa deserves to be on this team as much as I deserve a fork in the eye.
Speaking of Smith, he struck out the side in impressive fashion in the top of the eighth. Smith deserves to be here, not Sosa.
Duaner Sanchez and Billy Wagner each threw a scoreless inning, as well.
Hey, Moises Alou, I love the hussle, but dude, you’re scaring me with the head first slides. Take it easy, buddy. Take. It. Easy.
I know it was a cold, damp, windy evening, hell even Mex looked as if he was ready to shovel his drive way, but wow, where was the crowd tonight?
Speaking of the crowd, I know Carlos Delgado struggled in the field and at the plate tonight going 0-for-5 with two strikeouts, but their was simply no reason for the Shea faithful to boo him tonight. Delgado has played well recently and came into the game with a nine-game hitting streak pushing his average from .198 to .236. Unreal and uncalled for.
On the bright side tonight, Alou, Jose Reyes, David Wright, Carlos Beltran and Damion Easley had good offensive nights, and they attempted a late game comeback loading the bases in the eighth, but it wasn’t to be as couldn’t come up with the big hit. However, it wasn’t the bats that let them down, it was the Mets pitching, namely Figueroa and Sosa.
Seriously, did we time warp to the last week in September?
Still waiting for this team to take off and reel off a decent size winning streak, perhaps one will start tomorrow.
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The should keep Sosa around. I’m sure they can always use another good batting practice pitcher.
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Livan Hernandez is now 6-1.. I don’t get this team… we’ll get a piece like Johan.. and not give him all but guaranteed 200 innings with Livan for 5 million..
Schneider gets 5 mill.. Delgagdo 12 that we pay… and we wont add 200 innings to the rotation for 5..
This is why we haven’t won a WS in 21 years.
I bet you were saying that back in February, weren’t you? Either way, its hard to give a guy a major league contract when your roster is full at the time, but hey, details are details, why worry yourself with that!
full of what? Jorge Sosa? Nelson Figueora? Coming soon Adam Bostick? Brady Clark? How many other scrubs have we had up on this roster?
Details details indeed…
the MAJOR LEAGUE ROSTER, which as late as March included El Duque and Pedro. If you wanted to sign Livan Hernandez you had to guarantee him a spot on a major league roster, and at that point, we had 5 pitchers who already had guaranteed spots. Now, if we had a crystal ball and could see exactly when and if injuries would happen, we’d be all set, but unfortunately we don’t, and therefore you can’t guarantee a guy a spot in the starting rotation of a major league team when you already have those spots filled at the time he signed with another team.
Livan and Lohse were both considered this offseason. both are innings-eaters. and darkstar, do you prefer relying on nelson figeroa, formally of the CHIHUAHA’s, and Bostick to be your number 5?
You people simply do not understand how rosters work. You need flexibility, and if you sign a guy like Lohse to a major league deal, he has to stay there all season, and it just so turned out that we had 5 starters with guaranteed contracts going into season. Obviously right now it hasn’t worked out, but c’mon, hindsight is 20/20, can’t you people understand that?
pelfrey could have started in the minors. would’ve if el duque wasn’t hurt. besides, the talk in the offseason was about making el duque a reliever and signing an innings eater. livan and lohse were cheap. and it is not 20/20, they gave serious consideration to lohse but did not do anything cause they thought he would want a multi-year deal.
exactly, but the thinking was El Duque would be our 5th starter, I do’nt think anyone thought he would just never pitch again, and I don’t think El Duque to the pen was ever a serious consideration. Livan signed in February, and at that point we had 5 starters lined up, so that’s a moot point. Lohse I could see, but even so, he signed March 14th, at that point, like I said, there wasn’t the thinking that El Duque would be out THIS long.
rather short-sighted, don’t ya think? el duque has been unreliable injury-wise since he got here and so has Pedro.
and hernandez is not a moot point. guys who pitch a lot of innings and come cheap are valuable. instead we are stuck with unproven guys as the anchors to our staff. omar f’ed up.
so what exactly do you do with your guaranteed contracts when everyone is healthy? You really think Livan wanted to go somewhere where he would be forced into the bullpen? But whatever, I’m sure you were saying these exactly same things in February, weren’t you?
as a matter of fact i was. i am not some dopey fair-weather fan. nor do i pretend to be a major league gm. i, as many realistic mets fans, realized that the starters don’t pitch enough innings, and as a result our bullpen takes a beating. if others took their heads out of their a$$es long enough to take an objective look, they would realize the same.
thank you for alerting me to the placement of my head firmly placed up and inside my a*shole, I shall now go and remove it.
Darkstar was taking an objective look. It wasn’t manageable to sign someone when the roster was full. I think we should have made an effort to make it work for the exact reasons you stated. we needed an innings-eater, and we only got one (Johan)
So much rambling I almost forgot what I was gonna say, DS.
Oh yeah, let’s not forget that Livan switched leagues and is seeing new batters around for the first time, or should I say vice versa. This trend has time and time again either made/rejuvenated or broken/retired players’ careers.
Darkstar,
I agree with you 100%. Some of the fans think they are trying to build a fantasy roster. You can’t realistically stock your team with 6 starters even if some are unreliable to stay healthy. All of the starters that you want (inning eaters) would want multi-year contracts. You end with crappy flexible pitchers like Sosa instead who can pitch long relief and spot start.
Responding to original post: Please, “their” is for possession. “There” is to point out something. Like nails on a chalkboard!
I dont hate sosa as much as I hate his mother and father for doing each other and creating him. Nice jerry curls numb nuts….
Thankfully Pedro cut that wack Shiite off, otherwise I would have had to fight you.
Great writeup and well said on the booing…pure bush league crap from the Shea faithful AND the Nats dugout.
I have no problem with the Nats’ dugout cheering. A major league pitcher should be able to tune it out and pitch. What will happen when he’s pitching before a hostile crowd in October. Either he can pitch or he can’t, but the nats bench clearly was not the issue tonight.
don’t worry, he won’t be pitching before a hostile crowd in october.
My thoughts exactly . . . until I remembered our 2006 playoff rotation.
It will be really interesting to see what the reaction is to the “little league cheers” from the Nats dugout tonight.
If it was Jose Reyes leading those cheers, the NATIONAL press would be all over him calling it immature, mocking, not for the MLB, and in bad taste, and sportsmanship.
I have a feeling its not going to be a big deal.
I assure you the media will not be more lenient towards Elijah Dukes of all people.
we coulda used that thrilledge double in the 8th
yea, that one 2-run double would have been much better than the 7 HRs, 26 RBIs, and 142 OPS+ we’ve gotten from Church and the 22 starts by our above average catcher, who by the way is also outhitting Milledge (.299/.375/.338 to .252/.325/.345)
Can we all give it a rest, Milledge ain’t that great.
Thank you….
as long as the mets keep referring to and depending on an undisciplined sandlot player as their CATALYST.
they are never gonna make it to the big show..
and fans, why are you booing milledge? are you that far removed from reality?
Maybe they don’t like his perceived attitude, or the fact that he ripped the organization on his way out the door…
Sosa needs to go, and hopefully, the positive that comes from this game will be Omar and Co. realizing that he is worthless to the team.
That said, it’s not his fault we lost this game. Figgy was bad for perhaps the first time. It happens.
Joe Smith needs to stay as much as Sosa needs to go. He struck out all 3 batters he faced tonight in the face of impending demotion. He’s earned his job by now I think
What did we want on this homestand? 5-2? A win would have been nice tonight, considering the Marlins lost. Ah well, what can you do…for the life of me, I can not figure out why these guys can’t get a nice win streak going.
2 words, Willie Randolph…how’s that for a reason…
Well, it was obvious at the end of the 4th Figueroa didn’t have it, yet Randolph let him hit and start the 5th. Valid point, Cuban. Still, this team looks disinterested once it gets down by 3 or more runs…
Yep…and isn’t that a reflection of the manager’s persona? Why bother trying to come back…its only one game. We’ll turn the page and get them tomorrow.
That post made me laugh, cuz I hear Willie in my head…
Made me laugh too, but it nearly made me cry a little. What I wouldn’t give to hear a clip of Willie saying every game matters, we’re going to play every game like it’s the one that will get us into the playoffs, and every day we fall short of that goal we’ll know we got beat by a better team that day-because we were prepared, focused, determined and gave it everything we had every inning as a team. Enough of this “we can’t win em all” baseball is a marathon bs.
its is a marathon..
Yeah, Willie had nothing tonight….oh wait, he didn’t pitch? Gee and he let Figgy start the 5th? How stupid, we all know the starters have been going so deep into games that the pen is well rested…..I came here hopefully to find a more rational fan base than most of the other boards or lists….nah, same garbage…..oh well, at least the blog is damn good.
Well, sorry to disappoint, but by the end of the 4th, when Figueroa escaped his 3rd jam in a row, and getting frustrated by the Nats little leaguing, it was obvious that it wasn’t his night. Yeah, I know the starter is supposed to go five, but when you are scoring for him and he’s giving it back every inning…ah what’s the point in arguing, game over and its a loss, try and take the last 3 before going to the Bronx.
I had no problem w/ Figgy starting the 5th but not to have somebody warming up until after Odalis doubled in the 6th run was inexcusable in my opinion.
To bring in who, Sosa?
They had to take 3 from the Nats anyway. Might as well make it the last 3!
Do you honestly think they will take the next 3?
They could. Not like the Nats are a great team. Odds are they take 2 of 3, but no reason they can’t pound the snot out of the nats 3 times.
Seriously, scale of 1-10, what is everybody’s confidence this team will win 3 straight to attain the bare minimum threshold of 5-2 we all set for this homestand?
I say 2.5.
Can i say 5.2671523?
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Predicting any team, in any situation, to win 3 games in a row would be a bad prediction.
The Marlins won 7…SEVEN!!! THE MARLINS!!!… $20 million payroll…yes, those Marlins!
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From May 26 – Jun 5, Marlins get 10 games at Mets, Phillies and Braves. If they win 7 of those games, then you can bring up the Marlins incessantly. Until then, don’t lose a lot of sleep over them.
I don’t bring up the Marlins incessantly. You said “Predicting any team, in any situation, to win 3 games in a row would be a bad prediction.” I gave you a team. The problem is that a Willie-led team lacks any killer instict to sustain a prolonged winning streak. They have to overcome the C-lineups that he throws out there on day games after nite games or on 2nd games of DH-ers. When that happens, how do you sustain a streak? Luck maybe…
My bad. it’s not you, but seems like the Marlins come up a LOT on these threads.
Best streak so far this year was the 5 gamer against Nats/Phils. I agree with you another, bigger streak is needed. Takes a little luck since the 3-5 starters all need to step up in their games, AND you gotta have the other team NOT bring their best game for a prolonged time.
What the heck, I’ll repost this here since the pregame is done:
This is one of those games that, IMO, isn’t as systemically bad as it looks from the score. Really, it proved a few things:
1) Figgy isn’t the answer for the rotation. He doesn’t have the stuff to get further than 5, and will still give up some runs by the end. So, better suited to the Sosa (aka the Oliver) role
See how Bostick does, but plan on deciding if Armas or Vargas has a chance to put up some decent starts, and give them a run.
2) Sosa really does stink, and they should bite the bullet, trade him or eat the money. Send him down, and be done with it. Figgy can fill that role OK.
3) Beltran is looking better. Hopefully Delgado though bounces back from this clinker (and, I bet #4 impacted him)
4) playing games on cold, raw, wet, windy nights really really sucks. DId that way too many times coaching my sons LL team in April and October!
5) Alou is simply amazing. Pray that he sells his soul to the devil (whatever that might be these days!) and stays on the field for the rest of the year.
So yes, this is one of those games you write off and move on. Look at the positive, 12 hits and 2 HRs!
What was going on in the Nats dugout?
they were acting like jerks.
i mean, they were doing these cheers you would see kids do in little league, led by Elijah Dukes. “Let’s go Milledge, Let’s go!” *clap clap* Come on…..
I was hoping Wagner would plunk Dukes in the 9th. Or at least give him some chin music.
Drill somebody….anybody…
Then again, Figueroa did plunk 2 guys I believe, but I don’t know if that was intentional considering he had a runner on and nobody out at the time…
Beltran is looking better at the plate lately, and that is encouraging. I’m still worried about Wright.
Wright looks like he is pressing, trying to do too much to carry the team.
Hopefully the other guys hitting (and Alou back) will relax him, and he will stop the fishing. If so, he could easily go off on a monster tear.
At least he is still getting on base, and has a lot of RBIs. He ain’t no Delgado!
What kills me is that he always goes for the slider down and away…hoping he learns to resist that garbage…
I agree. Hopefully Dave eats his vegetables and gets a good nights sleep tonight. Dave has always been smart at the plate, and I think if he just chills out a bit, he will get right back up there.
David Wright is someone who I admire very much, he is one of my heros. He is dedicated, passionate and always trying to improve himself, and this is something that I respect and admire very much. Even though his bat has been cool lately, we all know that he is a very talented player, he displayed it last year. He is still young, and I am confident that he will be one of the best players baseball has ever seen. Seeing Dave play, and his attitudes toward the game inspires me to excel at what I do. Dave, for my generation, you are a breath of fresh air!!
If I could meet any celebrity (and I have met quite a few in my travels in the audio industry) it would definitely be Dave. It would be an honor to shake his hand!
Lets go Dave! LETS GO METS!
No, I understand all that. It’s not like I am trying to bash Wright (even though i do come down hard on him), it’s just frustrating that he doesn’t have more plate discipline. He shouldn’t be striking out 100 times a year, and what he strikes out on most is that pitch going away from him. The last few games especially, if you saw his strikeouts, it was mostly on the sliders down and away. He can’t lay off.
That outside slider is what always seems to get David when he is slumping, and then he eventually adjusts and gets out of it. I am not smart enough with the swing analysis to know why that is. If he just doesn’t pick it up as a slider, or if he’s trying to pull too much so he’s not hitting the outside pitch, or if he’s trying to go the other way so he’s purposely looking to hit those outside pitches but is swinging at ones he can’t really do anything with.
I am not worried in the sense that I don’t think he will snap out of it, but it is frustrating to see such a good hitter struggle. Hopefully he will bust out soon.
Stalker.
That was a reply to ninowhatever by the way. And yeah, it was meant to be a joke.
cyclone, I agree with you. I never disagreed. I was just stating my feelings about Wright in general.
wright has great plate discipline. look at his OBP numbers. and interesting that you’re criticizing him tonight AFTER he hit a HR.
He hit a home run when the game was essentially over. Does the game need to be a blow out for him to suddenly be selective?
on the thread about Keith and Gary reading the comments yesterday I posed the theory that David Wright was the most likely player to read and post on this site…does anyone else thing ninohernes is him?
Horrible, David wouldn’t shamelessly pump himself up.. *smirks*
No, I am not David Wright. Heck, I wish I was!
Above, where it says “comment by ninohernes” click on ninohernes and you can see who I really am.
What are the odds that the poster named “Darryl Strawberry” shows up tonite to blast his favorite team.
Ok, the fans booed Delgado because he has been pathetic all year. The Mets have a nice rally going in the first, and he K’s to end the inning. Then, 2 minutes later, he makes an error (I don’t care if the umps blew the call). How do you not boo this performance. He follows this first at-bat with another strike-out. It would be forgiven if it was an abberration, but this is the norm from Delgado now.
Seriously, the guy played great to improve on .198? That is not going to insure no booing for “His Boredness.”
For the life of me, I just can’t understand some people. I can see booing if someone doesn’t hustle of if he is obviously giving less than his best…..but do you really think Delgado is not trying to get hits? Do you think his errors are due to lack of caring? He never was much with the glove….he’s getting older….can you boo a man for nature robbing him of his skills? Yeah, I guess you can…but it’s quite pathetic. Besides, what kind of an adult does not feel silly mouthing the sound booooooooooo???
Um…he may be trying, or he may be “bored” again like he admitted he was last year.
You tell me which.
After last year, he gets no slack. Hard to imagine why he would.
For the record, I generally only see the Mets in person on West Coast road trips when they are nearer to me in Portland. And I cheer my head off for them in SD, AZ, LA, SF, etc. But, really, how can you not boo “His Boredness” after last year?
He never admitted that he was bored. Look back at the quote, he said we. He was calling out the young players on the team without throwing them under the bus. Delgado played very well last September and wanted to win as much as anyone. His thing is he just can’t do what he used to. Look back at the quote and take it in context. Besides that, give it a rest.
Mets fans booed Delgado because we’re dicks. It’s inexcusable at this point. Back off and let the guy play. He’s clearly better on the road (where he doesn’t get booed) than at home (where he gets booed) … wow, I wonder if there’s a correlation?
Booing him is making him play worse at this point, not the other way around.
“Met fans booed Delgado because we’re dicks”
Awesome because it’s true.
delgados salary should be considered 16 million this year because we have to pay him a 4 million buyout to walk awat next year
I guarantee you he doesn’t give a damn either way.
You hear BOOOOOOO
He hears $16,000,000
Only 12 million is paid by the Mets…
Yeah, well it would take too long for him to hear
“Only $12,000,000 of my $16,000,000 is paid by the Mets”
..Just a reference to the Delgado’s agent is looney post…
The truth is, I just don’t like Delgado. I cheer for him out of what I consider obligation, because he is on my team. Now people might want to criticize me for that, but I’m not booing him, so maybe they can cut me some slack. I support the team and all of its parts, even the ones I don’t like.
I never had a problem with what he did during God Bless America. He took a stand for something he believed in, and that’s kind of what this country is supposed to be about.
What don’t I like? Well, I’m sorry he was bored last year by his own admission. But then people will have to excuse me if I don’t buy for a second that he is motivated by boos or cheers from the fans. People who are bored at work tune things out and get through the day. They get paid and they go home. So when I cheer for him, and I doubt he hears me, I feel like I’m taking the high road because it’s my team and he’s on it.
I also was disgusted by the rooster-fighting (no way will the filter let me use the common term) video he showed up in where he talked about how wonderful and honorable the whole thing was. Yeah, I know Pedro was at one of those things too. I lost some respect for him too. Sorry, but I make my living in pet health care, and I’m taking care of my very sick dog right now. Maybe I’m just having a bad night, and that stuff doesn’t have to matter to anyone else, but it matters to me.
I love this game, but it’s not hard to see that a combination of boredom and more money than one person can spend in a lifetime can lead to really crappy choices for at least some of these guys.
That’s why I cheer for the uniform in most cases.
But I DO cheer.
AMS, big hang with ‘em to you, and your dog. Well said.
Thanks! :)
Dogs are eaten in some parts of the world. I’d have more respect for your opinion if you were nursing a sick rooster back to health. People and cultures are different and there is really no right and wrong or good and bad, just individual viewpoints that depend on limitless factors. Rooster fighting is accepted in their culture and thats all that should matter to anyone.
” there is really no right and wrong or good and bad, just individual viewpoints ”
I’m taking issue with that. There is certainly absolute right or wrong. Using animals for blood sport is wrong whether it’s dogs, roosters, or any other animal.
Well, that’s just it. It’s my opinion. No offense, but it doesn’t require your respect for it to be valid. Nor would any opinion of your require mine.
By the way. I said I work in pet health care, and right at this moment I happen to be taking care of my dog. I don’t have a rooster. But if you had one and it needed my help, it would get it.
And I disagree with your last sentence too. Just because something is accepted somewhere doesn’t mean that it should be met with approval. If I think something is wrong, then it’s wrong. Same rights you have, and anyone else for that matter.
CORRECTION If you think something is wrong, you think something is wrong. Not if you think something is wrong, it is wrong. I never said it should be met with approval. Nor should it be met with disapproval, and that is the entire issue I had to begin with.
OK, fair enough. What I meant was if I think something is wrong, then it’s wrong for me, just as if you think something is wrong, then it’s wrong for you.
I should have been more thorough there. We all have our opinions of what is right and what is wrong, and they’re all valid because they are our opinions. We’re probably a lot closer to agreeing with each other than disagreeing, even if our opinions aren’t the same.
There are some acts that are univerally wrong, even if somebody doing them thinks they are not wrong.
that’s not true at all…different cultures have different value systems, and who are we to impart our own values on other cultures? There’s a lot of cultures around the world who view a lot of what we do here in the US with disgust: it doesn’t make us wrong and them right.
And as for Delgado, the guy has hit .304/.385/.630 with 4 HR and 7 RBI over the past 12 games, and that’s including last nights 0-5. If he can hit anywhere close to that level for the rest of the season, we’ll all be loving the guy come September.
Nice moral relativity there.
Also, some numbers (related to the homestand). I know that many people said 5-2 was the minimum acceptable record. Well, take the last 3 from the Nats, and they got it.
But, if they end up 2-3, they go 4-3 on the homestand. Sounds terrible, but that winning percentage translates into 92 wins!
I’m looking for the Mets to regroup and blow out the Nats tomorrow (Maine, right?) and Pelf will rise to the occasion Thursday. Bostick on Weds. though, who knows.
Just please drop Sosa for Wise. He has to be better, right?
Oh, and it would be nice to see Maine go 8 again, since the pen might get a workout Wednesday!
Your posts are admirable, i don’t know how you do it, i’ve given up trying to be positive around here. It’s a waste of time to even engage in discussion.
Matt, hate to say it, but your site has gone down hill ever since it became so popular.
I went to every opening day from ~1979-2004 (and added 2007). I have seen a lot of Mets BB in that time!
Besides, it really is just a game, and they aren’t doing that bad. Straighten out a couple of spots on the roster, and see how the season goes.
thank you for your comments, and you are absolutely correct, baseball is just a game, i never could understand getting this upset and hateful about it
It’s representative of the anonymity of the internet.
If we were all in a bar or restaurant together, the hater-aid drinkers would act differently. We could discuss pluses and minuses of this team like civilized people and enjoy our adult beverages.
haha…good point, I hope these people don’t act like this in the “real” world. As for adult beverages, I think I need a couple…
I for one would say that willie must go and it was inexuceable to keep him after The Collapse. Then we could disuss the pluses and minuses of the team. I do it all the time, in person, not online.
If the Kool-Aid drinkers spewed their rainbows and sunshine at a bar with my Mets fan friedns and relatives they;d be laughded at early in the night and be in physical danger if later in the night. ;-)
case in point
Darkstar–You’ve been making smart, well-reasoned comments on this blog for several years now. I remember well when it was possible to have a sober discussion (with you and others) about the direction of the team, about in-game strategy, off-season moves, etc., without getting into the kind of over-the-top, insult-hurling that has become the norm on MetsBlog. Those were the days. Now, every single loss suffered by the Mets is greeted with shrieking demands for somebody to be fired or demoted. The New Guard has no idea how tedious it is to read this crap.
Yup…all is well. Champagne will taste oh so sweet, I sure do hope they think they are so good that they are bored again. Maybe this year they’ll feel they are so good and thus so bored that they’ll never sniff first place the rest of the year. Hence, avoiding any possibility of collapse.
Damn Gipper, you lawyers are much tougher than I suspected.
Seriously, everybody gets that you think Willie should have paid for the Co%%^pse. A Yankee-loving coworker of mine suggested we swap Randolph for Girardi. Any thoughts on that?
No thanks on Girardi, he’s not the right fit for a team with so many vets.
He’s got some passion, but overall, you’re likely correct. Otherwise, Oberkfell, Backman and BobbyVpartII don’t seem so good for the same reason. Are you thinking Kevin Kennedy or Buck Showalter or somebody else?
Silver lining:
1- Braves are two losses behind;
2- Marlins finally lost
3- Phillies didn’t play.
It was too cold and wet for me to care about tonight anyway.
GET THE NEXT THREE
Let’s Go Mets!
Y’all are a bunch of sissies. Stop acting like every loss is the end of the season.
Its not. But the apologists need to stop acting like this is Little League and we just need to reward the team for showing up. That they can’t be criticized, because poor them, they are trying their best… the Wilpons should take all the money with pay for our tickets and buy each player a replica NLCS trophy and give it to the players for participation as a token of their appreciation.
How else should apologists act?
NO, IT’S ALL OVER!
Sorry, I don’t really believe that, I just had to get it out…
“It’s not over until it’s over.” Okay it is Yogi Berra’s birthday.
Happy Birthday Yogi, and many more until you stop having them.
i am just curious, why hasn’t smith pitched since May 6th?
We always here things about Veterans not wanting to be encouraged/managed in the dugout. We hear Willie say things like my guys know what they have to do. They know how to turn it on..(Not quoting)
it seems like this team doesn’t know how to make any sort of a comeback. The second they got down big, they stopped working counts and swung at some really bad pitches.
Is there ever a time that the manager or a teammate will refocus the club.. It seems like in most dugouts(not just the mets) that players and managers rarely do things like that. How did baseball get this way? It really defies logic. I was just thinking that in every other team sport I can think of, you have constant interaction between player and coaches. You have adjustments being made and a constant push for guys to play at there best.
I know its a completely different situation but in football and basketball, there is rarely a second that coaches and players aren’t interacting. IMO the Mets need to more of this. Tonight the mets tried to hit the 6 run home run. When bloops bleeders and singles are exactly what we needed..
That had several walks and several long ABs after falling behind. Just couldn’t get the big hits.
Well, Sosa sucks…but I think we need Pedro back ASAP…while Figgy was a great story for us there is a reason his career has been what it is, we’ll never forget you Figgy but your time has come as a Met….I dont care about chants, how can you let anything under your skin, we made fun of Cueto for it the day before, so I’m not giving you a pass. Thanks for the memories.
One thing to keep in persepctive is, just because they lose a game, it doesn’t make them a bad team, or have no heart/fire, losers, or any of that stuff. Sometimes you just aren’t as good as the other team, or your pitching fails in a particular game, etc.
There may be a few guys not cutting it performance wise, and soemtimes that is because they are no longer good enough, and sometimes it is just a slump.
But, the team will address what they can, when they can. Unlike fantasy BB, they can’t just cut guys after a couple of games. COntracts, options, depth, etc. all come into play.
36 LOB total in this game for the Mets and Nats. Scary thing is…nats had 21 of those…
The Nats really suck.
stick, that always amuses me too when some poster says “Cut ______” like there’s a better option in AAA or on the waiver wire that nobody knows about that could fill the roster spot of the hated player.
The early season “Cut Beltran” posts were the best of all.
But we have Matt Wise coming off the DL…
True. But do you recall the April 1 game against the Marlins where he gave up the game winning homer. People were saying Cut Matt Wise that night.
No idea why Wise is considered a savior at this point. He’s pitched exactly 1.0 innings, given up 3 hits and 1 homer. I hope he does better than Sosa, but I got no reason to expect better.
he can’t possibly do worse. That’s the thing….I’d rather dance with the devil I don’t know than the one I do. At least the one you don’t know might surprise you.
Checking in on Matthew Cerrone’s MetsBlog. Same old story, with less posters. Seems as if many people have moved on to other (greener) pastures. May 12 and the Mets have won a total of three games more than the Nationals. The Marlins have won a total of four games more than the Mets. The Rays have won 5 in a row and a total of three more games than the Mets. The Twins have won more games than the Mets. Well, winning isn’t everything. God Bless Moises Alou. He’s one of the last of the Mohicans. How about that Santana? The Wilpons must be thinking 150 million doesn’t buy as many wins as it used to. Seems as if Jeff and Omar were absent the day they taught the lesson about ‘buying low and selling high’. How about them Mets? It’s early. Seems as if I’ve heard that one before. Perhaps I’ve heard it one time too many.
Your points are valid. Any thoughts on how to fix this mess?
Perhaps its time for a moderator.
Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but this is supposed to be a blog for Mets fans. Its baseball for crying out loud, its supposed to be fun and entertaining. Some posters here just suck the fun right out of the game. I agree, the truth hurts, but still, we are fans…we should be rooting for our team whether they win our loose, not insulting our team!
Actually, I was asking about how to fix the METS mess, not so much the Metsblog mess. But the moderator idea is interesting. I wonder if that would be a paying job….
It should be…
SNY can pay me to do it! I am graduating from college this Sunday…I need money!
Actually, SNY should hire me to do broadcast audio…thats more my thing…
is that you, Wayne Hagen?
So what would this moderator do? Delete any negative posts? Block them from ever being posted in the first place? I’d like to know more about this.
No, Im not Wayne Hagen.
The moderators job would be to do just that, moderate. If debates get to heated, the moderator would step in and say cool it. Or if someone really posts something out of line, then maybe it would be deleted. Im all for free speech, but some of the stuff posted here really does suck the fun out of the game.
Moderator would boo bad posts. Much better results than deleting.
As for the Wayne Hagen comment, Im not an anouncer, I am an engineer. Sure, I can do comercial spots in a pinch, but I am much better on the other end of the microphone at the mixing console.
Well first, I think this would be the only moderator that could make this place more fun just by stepping in once every 90 days.
He wouldn’t have to cool off debates once a day, or twice a day. Who has time for that nonsense?
He would run his fingers across the keyboard, push the delete key, and say, “It works. It really works.”
He wouldn’t own the blog. He wouldn’t own anything about it. He would just know that he was the greatest moderator ever for the appearance of a better, more fun blog.
OK, I’ll do it. And I’m not putting my name on something that doesn’t work.
ninohernes, j/k on the Hagen thing.
Sounds reasonable to me. Would be tough on the Cerronettes to continually watch the posters, and it was a bit disappointing to have to wait for your post to show during the time MC was actively moderating this winter. If it could be done quickly, it could work.
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Funny, I thought the Mets miserable play over the last calendar year sucked the fun out of the game.
In all seriousness, it seems like we have two types of fans and it is hard for one to understand the other.
–Many see being a Mets fan as a pastime. They see it as a diversion. A great way to pass a pleasant summer afternoon. All fun and games. Yes, they want the team to win and are disappointed when they lose, but they feel it isn’t worth getting worked up over since after all it’s just a game, a diversion, etc.
I understand that type of fandom. It is how I feel when I watch college basketball, or golf, or tennis, or the Olympics.
–Others live and die with every Mets game. Scratch that, they live and die with nearly every darn pitch. They pay thousands of dollars to follow the team, even on roadtrips. They bleed orange and blue. Sure, they get that baseball is a marathon, not a sprint, but it takes them hours to get over a Mets loss (not minutes). They spend all day looking forward to the start of a Mets game. They were sanguine about the team when they were hapless in the 60s, late 80s, much of the 90s. But they want so badly to win a title on the rare occasions that the team actually has some decent talent that it physically hurts when they fail. All the more so when they Collapse.
I don’t know if the former type of fan can understand the latter. I don’t understand die-hard college basketball (or college football, for that matter) fans at all. But they exist.
Gipper, the two examples you cited were the extremes. I really think there is a spectrum of fandom between the Dodger-fan, leave early types and the die-hard obsessivees.
I love this team. I look forward the games, I want them to win, so I yell instructions to them thru my TV. But when it’s over, I gotta go to work, or fix something around my house, or spend some time with my family. So, I’m in the middle somewhere, moderate, if you will. I think there are many others are somewhere along the spectrum, too.
I am most definitley more in colum b, however even with that said I still respect the team and its players even when they are not performing at their best. Sure, I curse at the TV just like the next Mets fan…but my anger is generally not directed at a player, but at the poor actions of the player.
I currently live in Chicago, and I proudly go into bars wearing my Mets cap. I get some strange looks…let me tell you!
All I am saying is, I think that some people should be a little bit more respectful, thats all.
the problem is, these supposedly die hard fans know next to nothing about the sport they claim to love. pathetic.
KinersKornerman, I agree with your post. Very well put.
metsftw, excellent point as well.
metsftw, agree big time.
This thread is particularly sober and has more good thoughts than crap on it.
Wow, more good thoughts than crap…what a concept!
Maybe it will catch on…
Yeah, if you’re feeling that extreme, you’re just too extreme. I mean, I get the agonizing. I have had to turn off more games than I can count because of the stress. But this is an activity in which one guy tries to throw a ball by another guy trying to hit it with a stick. That’s all it is. Throwing fits, which is what goes on here way too often, is just silly. I hear what you’re saying, gipper, about sanguinity being easier to come by in the years when we don’t have expectations. But it’s a long, long season. A season in which if they do well, they’ll lose a ton of games. Poor pitching, lack of hitting, errors, just being outplayed — it will all come during the season.
Maybe by around the end of June we’ll all realize that your fears are real, they’re not winning because they don’t care, because the chemistry is wrong, the pieces are wrong, Willie is wrong, whatever it is. I don’t expect so, but it’s possible. But what do you gain by going through a season thinking the worst and being so condemning and critical every other game? There is supposed to be joy in this sport. Not just joy when your team is stacked and you roll over everyone else. Who even wants that kind of joy? That’s Steinbrenner joy.
tina, please stop making sensible posts immediately
gipper: Though you don’t explicitly say it, I think that you are implying that the “sunshine fans” are those in group A, and the bitter, “hater kool-aid fans” (as someone above phrased it) are those in group B, and you couldn’t be more wrong. I go to law school in DC, wear my Mets hat every day, pay over $100 a year that I can’t really afford just so I can watch the Mets games, look forward to every single game, curse at the TV (or computer monitor) when they make errors or strikeout with the bases loaded, and get really pissed off when they lose. I talk about the team with my dad for about a half hour every day, it’s just about the only thing we talk about. My girlfriend knows that when the Mets lose I’m gonna be in a bad mood, and after they lost Game 7 in ‘06, I refused to go out that entire weekend.
All that said, I’m generally one of the more positive fans on this site. I tend to be optimistic about the team, even when they are playing poorly. Even though I was pissed off that they lost, I’d rather look at last night’s game and see the positive: Reyes and Beltran with 2 hits, Wright with a HR, the bullpen minus Sosa pitching well. I can detach myself from a bad game or even a bad week and see that there ARE good things about this team, and believe that they have a nice long winning streak in them somewhere. Maybe I’m wrong, like I was last year, and maybe they’ll break my heart come September again, but isn’t that what being a Mets fan is all about? I’d rather be rooting for the underdog anyway. And maybe instead of breaking my heart, they’ll actually pull it out this season.
What the “haters” seem to forget is the very motto of this franchise: “Ya Gotta Believe.” You’ve all become so cynical, you might as well be Yankees fans.
1.) I agree there is a spectrum, and I am hardly going to encompass all types of fans in a few paragraphs on a blog comment.
2.) Some of you on the more positive side are simply proving my point.
3.) gomets6091, I used to be more like you. A “Ya gotta believe” type fan even if I cursed the TV now and then. Last year soured the inherent optimism.
That said, you all make good points, even if I don;t agree with many of them. Good discussion. Sorry I went to bed last night after my original comment posted.
will booing help?
Are you serious with that question?
Of course it helps… ;)
Booing and Procede: The answer to all problems
And lots more work for Gary Booooooosey.
That reminds me. After this loss, I think I need a hug. Where’s Gary B.?
You do NOT want a hug from Gary.
Did you see what he did to Guiseppe?
Shook him around like a rag doll.
If Gary Busey tries to hug you, I suggest that you PROCEDE to kick him in the family jewels.
LOL, that is true.
Got G-Franco’s procede self-treatment all over his forehead and ears. Now look at the big G. Got Planet of the Apes hair. Damn shame. Thanks for watching my back.
I don’t think Gary Busey was hugging Guiseppe Franco. I think he was taking him by the shoulders and shaking him, saying “Are you crazy? Why did you give me exactly the same haircut as yours?”
More cowbell.
It’s a start.
Where is Eric Bloom when we need him most?
i say keep figueroa up, at least he speaks perfect english!!!
True, he can say, in a clear and firm voice, “I did not have it tonite”
Or maybe we should keep Figueroa since he’s great the first time through the order.
He be a wonderful piece in the bullpen. He replaces Sosa’s rubber arm that the Mets really want to have in the pen. Figs will take the ball any day and can give us 3 good innings at a time.
I’m not ready to give up on Figgy as a starter, although I agree he’d better start returning to the form he had in his first couple starts if he wants to have any prayer of staying on this roster (as it is, it’ll be a stretch once Pedro comes back).
Nelson’s control problems tonight were quite likely made much worse by the weather. He actually seemed to have reasonable control of his fastball; it was the other stuff that was getting away from him. The thing is, it was very cold and windy at Shea tonight. I can tell you this first hand, because I was there. My hands were getting so cold that I had to put them in my jacket pockets pretty frequently. Now, maybe it was warmer or less windy on the field than it was up in the Mezzanine, but I’ll bet it wasn’t by much. And any pitcher will tell you, it’s pretty hard to throw a good breaking ball in cold, windy weather, when you can’t feel your fingertips.
I also liked the fact that Figueroa did not seem to get all that rattled tonight. He got into some jams, but he battled back and got out of them, mostly unscathed. And some of those jams were arguably not even of his doing. Imagine how one our more “emotionally complex” starters — oh, say, Oliver Perez, for instance — would have handled the same situation. I don’t want to rag on Ollie too much; he pitched brilliantly last night and I know he’s aware of his demons and is trying to fight them. But I think Figgy demonstrated a fair amount of grit by keeping his head in the game and not letting things fall apart, despite repeated disappointments. He did not lose his composure an start walking in runs, which I could easily see Perez or Sosa or even Heilman do. Figueroa didn’t do that. He did not have his best stuff, but he worked around it, kept battling, and dodged quite a few bullets. That kind of strengh of character is a good thing to have around.
Yeah, no poblem with Figgy in my view.
marlins 23-15 (best record in baseball)
teams with lots of talent
ny mets 19-17
braves 19-18
dodgers 19-18
indians 19-19
brewers 19-19
yankees 19-20
tigers 16-22
marniers 15-24
rockies 15-23
padres 14-25
it’s pretty clear that there will be changes if the team doesn’t take improve by the end of the month or perhaps by june 15. i’m guessing they’ll fire willie. the press stories have started to be leaked which is the first step. a couple of reporters wrote about it. gary cohen basically pushes for it every other game in subtle ways.
i believe they’ll be in first place by the end of the month and will be playing better overall. if not, changes are inevitable and i doubt firing a manager will make a difference. they’d have to make a bit of a roster shake-up in addition to that move.
I’m a little confused by this post. You’re saying that the fact that the Mets have a better record than all the other talented teams you listed is proof that Willie needs to go? Or were those 2 separate thoughts in your post?
I am confused by this too. From the looks of it either 1: A lot of shakeups need to happen or 2: It’s too early and things will shake themselves out as May comes to an end.
it was two separate statements.
1. that it’s clearly too early to make a huge deal.
2. even though it’s too early the anger from mets fans has made the next few weeks essential for willie and probably for a guy or two on the roster
gotcha, and I actually agree with you. Just needed some clarification.
That was an excellent post, zen. I too have noticed Gary’s subtle (or perhaps none-too-subtle) hints that he’s soured on Randolph.
“Sosa deserves to be on this team as much as I deserve a fork in the eye”
Then I guess Sosa deserves to be on the team…
Come on, you set yourself up
this is a terrible situation.. I think some of the fans are thinking that the booing is going to work as a motivational tool. I heard a few people state that during last season at shea we all kept our cool for the most part and cheered our team even when they were sliding. Those same people have now resorted to booing for a few reasons. Some of them don’t feel the organization/manager knows how to motivate his troops and since the cheering the past few seasons hasn’t gotten us anywhere, they have now resorted to booing as a motivational tactic. With Sosa I doubt its has anything to do with motivation. With Delgado on the other hand, I think we realize how important he is to the success of the Metropolitans. So thats seems to be more of the fans urging Delgado to get it together. Either way its not a good situation.
This team lost its hunger and there aren’t signs of getting it back. Maybe its cause these guys are too old, maybe its the manager or maybe they just aren’t that good.
IMO the Mets need a few youngsters on this squad. Guys that are hungry and not complacent. If you have a few younger players the Veterans might realize that they need to set an example. Last season we had Lastings. I don’t think that counts cause I’m pretty sure the Vets didn’t like too much.
I truly hope the Mets take an absolute beating by the Marlins in the next few weeks. Maybe they can then look into there dugout and remember the hunger and intensity they once had. Its all about being hungry. The Rockies last season are a perfect example. Other than Helton none of those dudes new anything about winning and there hunger almost got them a championship. The need a shot of that..
So you want your team to lose to the Marlins?
Also did you see Alou at the play at home today. He looked pretty hungry.
This team had to go 5-2 this homestand against these lesser opponents. Obviously it’s possible to win the next three but I’m not all that optimistic either. Lannan dominated them last start and he goes tomorrow night. Wednesday we have a minor leaguer starting. And Thursday we have Pelfrey going and the team seems flat every time he starts. I guess as hopeful as I am seeing them win the next 3, the Nats winning at least 2 of those 3 certainly wouldn’t surprise me either. And that might be what it takes for the serious Fire Willie talk to get going, especially if they follow it up w/ losing 2/3 to A-rod-less Yanks and then Atlanta the following week. I don’t think Willie realizes how significant the next week or so is in determining his fate for the rest of the season. Things could get ugly this week in a hurry. (Or turn around)
Ok I should go to sleep, I’m rambling.
How do you know that Willie does not think this next week is important? I am not saying either way because I don’t have a clue but how do you know?
I’m done complaining about this team. “It is what it is” and I’m accepting it for what it is. However, I’d like to know how many here (especially the ones defending the Mets) are season ticket holders. And I’m not talking about the 6 packs or the weekend packages; I’m talking at least 20 games.
You see, I’ve been splitting a half season’s worth of tickets in the field box with a friend of mine for the last 2+ years and lately I’ve come to the realization that I’m not enjoying attending Mets games anymore. Perhaps it’s because I’ve been spoiled by 2006 or the fact that I’ve attended too many Mets game and the effect of diminishing returns is setting in. If you were to ask me a year or two ago to pick between going to a Mets game and playing 18 holes, I’d pick a Mets and I’ll even buy the first round of ridiculousy expensive pi55water without hesitation. But now, I’d give away my Mets tickets for the guaranteed enjoyment of 18 holes…even though I’m terrible at golf.
And then you have tonight’s game…you’re freezing your butt off out there along with 2000 other “fans” in attendance and the team gets hammered by arguably the worst team in the game and a pitcher that up until now was winless after a month and a half of baseball. Yea, these games happen…but it shouldn’t happen THIS much. It’s not what people signed up for when they saved up to to pay to watch these games.
Oh by the way, anyone want to buy a pair of field box tickets for this thursday’s day game for $20 each?
See, I can’t even sell my tickets for half price…to Mets fans no less. “It is what it is” and I’d really wish some people not sugarcoat it.
gipper, you might be the worst poster on this site. good god, show some baseball knowledge or get the hell out. actually, that goes for 75% of you, but i agree with whoever said the quality of the comments went down when the site got popular and we get fairweathers losers like gipper on here.
Wow, being a little hard on the gipper there. Did I make the top 25% Can I stay ?
Metsftw,
I’ve been here for years. I was an early financial contrbutor to Matt for the endeavor. Just a few weeks ago, Matt wrote to me saying an email I sent him was the best written he had received in years. I am also the source of the two “mets prayers” (takeoffs on the Our Father and Hail Mary, that I first originated here on Metsbblog in the 2006 playoffs to much positive feedback.
Your user name, by the way, strikes me as new.
No doubt, the site has attracted some badwagoners and twelve year olds as it has gotten more exposure.
But, wouldn’t you at least consider the possibility that the change in tone reflects the change in the state of the organization from an exciting rebuilding era through positive signs in 05, an amazing year in 06 which ended disappointingly but then devolved so suddenly into the debacle that was the 07 Mets and the continuing mediocrity of the 08 Mets.
People can be much more civil when there are low expectations (think of fan conversations in bars and at BBQs during the lean years like the late 70s/early 80s) than they are when they feel that the best chance the franchise has had in decades may be slipping away. Don’t you think?
Oh, and thanks for the ad hominem attacks after I had left the blog for the night. Real mature.
Tonights loss is not the end of the world. I do think it did expose two players. Figgy was a nice story but his time is up. He has not been competitive in his past three starts. The other player is obviously Sosa. I don’t understand why there is even a debate on whether to send Joe Smith down to AAA or designate Sosa to make room for Matt Wise. Sosa is just a bad pitcher that is in horrible shape.
And speaking of…where are those people who complained about how they won’t be able to get tickets to see the Mets next year due to the smaller capacity of Citifield?
If you couldn’t get yourself to a game like tonight, I really don’t think you should be griping about tickets for next year and beyond.
unless you were there, be quiet. it was very cold tonight and it would have been very uncomfortable in the upper deck.
And the well less than capacity crowd at Shea for a Johan start last weekend, on a nice day?!?
I did not boo Delgado tonight, but I certainly didn’t approve of him, either.
I understand that he’s an important leader on this team, and that he’s got a lot of positive history. But if he’s past his prime and no longer able to contribute in a meaningful way, shouldn’t we face that fact and stop kidding ourselves? I’ve been pretty disappointed with him of late, especially in the field. There were at least three plays at first base in tonight’s game were Carlos was (in my opinion) clearly subpar, and by my count, at least two runs the Nats scored tonight could be attributed at least in part to poor work in the field on Delgado’s part.
No, he should not be booed. But I undersand the frustration that leads to it. I didn’t boo Carlos tonight, but I certainly shook my head on more than one occasion.
it’s really not unreal nor uncalled for to boo a $16M first baseman who took a nine game hitting streak to raise his average to a paltry .236. not like batting average matters anyway.
i wouldn’t have done it, but let’s not pretend delgado is even having a shadow of a decent season here.
Who cares about some clapping in the dugout? Probably the same people that didn’t want Milledge slapping hands with the fans at Shea after his HR off Benitez.
No, I thought it was cool if you want to get your players drilled. Then again, the Mets don’t have a pitcher ballsy enough to send that type of message with hostile intentions. Nelson drilled the batters by accident because he had a runner on and nobody out.
I think people should start drilling Yankee hitters too after Joba does his antics…”I’m back!”….gimme a break…
boooooooooooooooooo. (done in the comfort of home, where no one can hear me)
Willie’s slip is starting to show…..Lets hope its a pink one.
The Mets really needed to win that game last night, They now face Lannan who they have had their problems with and are starting Bostick the next day who hasent exactly been burning up N.O. I can see them losing these next two games. I hope I am wrong.
Wow, you idiots at Shea make me ashamed to be a Mets fan. Grow up and learn about baseball. Booing is an uneducated simple response. It shows that YOU are uneducated and simple. Learn baseball or go root for the Skankees. BUMS!!
Were you lamenting the same Shea faithful who chanted “Sisk Sucks!” in the 80s?
I’m sick and tired of hearing about booing…if people want to boo let them boo…this team torn the fans hearts out last year and have gone from one of the most exciting teams in franchise history to a bunch of listless, uninspired chumps in the span of less than 18 months…So what if Delgado hit good for a few games, he was horrible all last season and is still hitting around .230 this year with terrible power numbers…focus on the team and let the fans react how they want…this team deserves nothing from us until they play with a little focus and passion for more than two days at a time
100% agreed arp…… Regarding Delgado, he had an opportunity to bond with the fans when they asked for a curtain call, but he wedged the divide deeper by ignoring them.
This fanbase deserves nothing until they cheer with focus and passion for more than two days at a time.
Thereal,
Youhave an amazing talent to turn the world upside down.
Here’s what they should do, imo.
DL Pagan or Castillo to make room for Bostick,
DFA Sosa and move Figueroa to the pen as the long man.
After Bostick makes his start option him, activate Wise, and use Figueroa as a starter again.
If they dont want to DL anyone it would make sense to option Joe Smith to AAA to get a starter up here for 5/14 and the 5/20 double header. 10 days later he can be recalled and the starter can be optioned. They could even recall Carlos Muniz inbetween and then recall a different starter, and then Joe Smith.
The game last night made me sick. Why Willie would let Fig go out for the 5th was unreal. The game was lost right there. Fig should not be on this team nor Sosa. Fig was topping out at 85 mph, that’s sad. He is a poorman’s version of El Duque with worse stuff and 10 years(?) younger.
This loss is on Willie. I have dramatically adjusted my expectations for this season so I don’t have to suffer every time a crappy team kicks our a**.
I love the Mets but this ain’t happening.
I agree. Willie displayed his inompetence as a manager again last night. He will not be here by June 1st unless the mets go on a tear and that is not likely to happen. The glaring problem is that this team has terrible pitching, especially the bullpen. No long reliever and a shaky Oliver Perez, Pelfrey and Figueroa. This is Omar’s fault. Bringing in Santana has covered up the fact that the rest of this team’s pitching staff is not dependable. Omar depended once again on an aging, injury prone El Duque and an aging injury prone Pedro. Now we are stuck keeping Sosa on the roster and demoting Joe Smith because of Omar’s poor vision regarding contracts and Sosa. Omar has given out too many long term contracts to the old veterans and that is why we are now in this position. I can’t wait until the wilpons wake up and fire omar. We need a new GM who can bring a new vision to this team with younger players. Omar’s time has come and gone without a championship with his old disabled list players. He gambled and lost!
Ok as for the pitching decision so Willie should have taken out Figgy after 4 and inserted Sosa. So how would that have made any difference? We lose 7-4? That’s assuming that the extra inning of relief did not give up more runs.
I was there last night in the upper deck, and stayed the whole game. It was freezing cold up there and I have to admit I booed last night.
If I pay $120 for a 7pack to nearly freeze to death out there, and see Delgado dog a few balls in the infield, and an overall horrible performance from Fig and Sosa, I have the right to show my displeasure with the complete lack of effort.
I play first base on an baseball team with a few friends, and I could have easily gotten to two of the balls Delgado let go. I expect him to have a decent year offensively, but the defensive decline is quite alarming.