Comments on: Read: Delgado’s Loony Agent http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:48:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: adb280z http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-164073 adb280z Tue, 13 May 2008 06:23:21 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-164073 I like his column. I like his column.

]]> By: dykstraw http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163579 dykstraw Mon, 12 May 2008 23:39:21 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163579 if heyman wrote an article about how sloane is a massive a-hole, using his own private communication with him as support, then that is extremely and undebatably unprofessional. i'm not really familiar with that story though. if heyman wrote an article about how sloane is a massive a-hole, using his own private communication with him as support, then that is extremely and undebatably unprofessional. i’m not really familiar with that story though.

]]> By: atl0nym4 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163495 atl0nym4 Mon, 12 May 2008 22:26:49 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163495 Graziano is just like a sleazy paparazzi engaging a celebrity in confrontation in order to sell a picture. You're nuttier than Sloane and so is your mom! Graziano is just like a sleazy paparazzi engaging a celebrity in confrontation in order to sell a picture.
You’re nuttier than Sloane and so is your mom!

]]> By: Free Aaron Heilman http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163475 Free Aaron Heilman Mon, 12 May 2008 21:59:59 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163475 dykstraw, heyman actually put the quote in an official story, not even a blog. And it was actually more of a personal nature than what Graziano did because it was solely in response to Heyman simply calling Sloane a "menace" whereas Sloane's response to Graziano had to do with disagreement over how Graziano phrased a contract in an official story. Because the Sloane exchange with Graziano was actually over a disagreement with part of an official story, the exchange went on longer. Therefore it warranted more space. Given the more "official" nature of the issue in the Graziano story vs. Heyman's (contract vs. calling Sloane a "menace") and given that Heyman quoted the nasty email response in an official story (vs. the blog for Graziano), the Heyman response could even be considered more unprofessional. Yes, the Graziano-Sloane exchange moved beyond the contract, but it still stems from it. As opposed to Heyman's exchange with Sloane being of a purely personal nature from the very start. So, maybe you're right after all. It's a different issue. And perhaps Heyman's actions were even more extreme warranting even more criticism than Graziano. But I guess you won't see it that way, so lets agree to disagree. And get back to debating Willie <i>and </i>Omar. :smile: dykstraw, heyman actually put the quote in an official story, not even a blog. And it was actually more of a personal nature than what Graziano did because it was solely in response to Heyman simply calling Sloane a “menace” whereas Sloane’s response to Graziano had to do with disagreement over how Graziano phrased a contract in an official story.

Because the Sloane exchange with Graziano was actually over a disagreement with part of an official story, the exchange went on longer. Therefore it warranted more space.

Given the more “official” nature of the issue in the Graziano story vs. Heyman’s (contract vs. calling Sloane a “menace”) and given that Heyman quoted the nasty email response in an official story (vs. the blog for Graziano), the Heyman response could even be considered more unprofessional.

Yes, the Graziano-Sloane exchange moved beyond the contract, but it still stems from it. As opposed to Heyman’s exchange with Sloane being of a purely personal nature from the very start.

So, maybe you’re right after all. It’s a different issue. And perhaps Heyman’s actions were even more extreme warranting even more criticism than Graziano.

But I guess you won’t see it that way, so lets agree to disagree. And get back to debating Willie and Omar. :smile:

]]> By: dykstraw http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163412 dykstraw Mon, 12 May 2008 21:17:04 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163412 the entire story here is "delgado's agent is an idiot, look at his emails." it's moved completely away from delgado's contract details. if heyman also wrote an article/post that said "look, delgado's agent is a fricking idiot" using nothing but private communications between the two of them, i would be similarly unimpressed. listen, i agree that sloane is a moron and i completely think graziano is privately in the right here. i just think the public post about it is unnecessarily gossipy and professionally questionable. that's all. can we get back to arguing over willie now : ) the entire story here is “delgado’s agent is an idiot, look at his emails.” it’s moved completely away from delgado’s contract details.

if heyman also wrote an article/post that said “look, delgado’s agent is a fricking idiot” using nothing but private communications between the two of them, i would be similarly unimpressed.

listen, i agree that sloane is a moron and i completely think graziano is privately in the right here. i just think the public post about it is unnecessarily gossipy and professionally questionable. that’s all.

can we get back to arguing over willie now : )

]]> By: Free Aaron Heilman http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163355 Free Aaron Heilman Mon, 12 May 2008 20:29:23 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163355 Let me see if I can clarify your point ... are you trying to say Sloane telling Heyman in a very dismissive tone that his story will "line a bird cage" is substantially different from him telling Graziano that he is a "retard?" I honestly don't see a difference. Both are immature, unprofessional and personal insults made directly to a journalist via email. Let me see if I can clarify your point … are you trying to say Sloane telling Heyman in a very dismissive tone that his story will “line a bird cage” is substantially different from him telling Graziano that he is a “retard?” I honestly don’t see a difference. Both are immature, unprofessional and personal insults made directly to a journalist via email.

]]> By: Free Aaron Heilman http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163340 Free Aaron Heilman Mon, 12 May 2008 20:20:45 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163340 I'm still not sure what you're referring to as a "different issue." My previous reply talked about Heyman quoting a Sloane email under very <i>similar </i>circumstances. Please explain how that is different from what Graziano did. I don't see any significant ones. As for your story arc, it doesn't make sense. First of all, I'm sure Graziano did source the story with reference materials or sites. Second, are you saying Graziano quoting from Sloane's email is <i>the </i>story? That's not true. The story was Graziano's initial column in which he told of a scout suggesting the Delgado-Sexson trade. Sloane then took issue with how Graziano wrote the story. When Graziano tried to clarify the issue, it devolved into this unprofessional response from Sloane. He made his response part of the story, even if a tangential part. Sloane's response is relevant and not entirely an independent issue. I’m still not sure what you’re referring to as a “different issue.” My previous reply talked about Heyman quoting a Sloane email under very similar circumstances. Please explain how that is different from what Graziano did. I don’t see any significant ones.

As for your story arc, it doesn’t make sense. First of all, I’m sure Graziano did source the story with reference materials or sites. Second, are you saying Graziano quoting from Sloane’s email is the story? That’s not true. The story was Graziano’s initial column in which he told of a scout suggesting the Delgado-Sexson trade. Sloane then took issue with how Graziano wrote the story. When Graziano tried to clarify the issue, it devolved into this unprofessional response from Sloane. He made his response part of the story, even if a tangential part. Sloane’s response is relevant and not entirely an independent issue.

]]> By: phoola http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163339 phoola Mon, 12 May 2008 20:20:05 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163339 ...well, at least you spelled "psychologist" correctly. …well, at least you spelled “psychologist” correctly.

]]> By: dykstraw http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163315 dykstraw Mon, 12 May 2008 20:04:59 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163315 email vs. spoken isn't the issue here. the arc of most stories goes like: event X occurs, journalist J gets quote Q from source S and runs with it. there is no source here - the journalist is his own source and the quote itself is a story. it is a very slippery slope to gossip mongering at this point. i don't think it's a big deal, and i agree with graziano and everyone else here that sloane is a huge idiot. i just don't think it's a story. email vs. spoken isn’t the issue here. the arc of most stories goes like: event X occurs, journalist J gets quote Q from source S and runs with it. there is no source here – the journalist is his own source and the quote itself is a story. it is a very slippery slope to gossip mongering at this point.

i don’t think it’s a big deal, and i agree with graziano and everyone else here that sloane is a huge idiot. i just don’t think it’s a story.

]]> By: Slob http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163291 Slob Mon, 12 May 2008 19:44:42 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/12/read-delgados-loony-agent/#comment-163291 I don't blame him. It's very easy to just snap at Graziano. He's easily one of the worst sportswriters in the country. I don’t blame him. It’s very easy to just snap at Graziano. He’s easily one of the worst sportswriters in the country.

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