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Scott Schoeneweis currently has an ERA of just 1.50, and has not allowed a run in 14 of his 16 appearances this season.
Anthony Rieber at Newsday writes:
“Scott Schoeneweis was not only not booed yesterday when he came off the mound after a successful outing, he was actually cheered. It’s quite a turnaround for the reliever, who was booed at the home opener during pregame introductions.”
…i must admit that i didn’t notice just how good schoeneweis has been this year, as most of what i hear is about who the fans are booing, and how the bats have been slumping…however, at the game yesterday, scott got a very nice welcome from the fans when he entered, so i’m glad someone’s paying attention…
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Schoenweis was praised as a great signing when Omar nabbed him, and I maintain that last year was a fluke. He’s had a nice career, and there is no reason to believe that he’ll be as bad as last year.
His numbers last year were pretty much in line with his career numbers. Where was the fluke?
I don’t know how to do this in a way that it will look neat on a comments page, so I’ll just type a few things out.
2007
ERA – 5.03
WHIP – 1.53
BAA – .271
CAREER
ERA – 4.97
WHIP – 1.46
BAA – 2.72
You can maintain that it was a fluke, but I’ll just hope that this year will be the fluke and he will do well here.
Obviously Career BAA = .272
Yeah…but check out his Righty-Lefty splits…
If used against LHers only, Scott will definitely be a sub 3 ERA pitcher….no doubt..
He simply has no ability to get righties out…
Schoenweis had some very good years with Anaheim and one with Toronto. His stats don’t always reflect how good a pitcher he was, if you watched him pitch.
I had seen enough of him to know that this was not a “great signing” by any means. I don’t doubt that he is capable of pitching better than his stats as he has already done that a little bit as a Met, but to say last year was a fluke is just factually incorrect.
And which years for the very good ones with Anaheim?
*And which years were the very good ones with Anaheim?
2001-2003 weren’t statistically great years, and he was not great, but he was very good if you watched the games. His problem was that he was inconsistent.
I can’t tell if you guys are arguing or agreeing, LOL…there’s one problem with this whole debacle: there is no such thing as a “great” bullpen arm. You have your starters and you have your closers. Everyone else is always up and down, year in year out. The reason for that is simple: small sample sizes are looked upon as definitive stats as opposed to looking at the big picture. Guys who are “great” on the big picture scale wind up being, well, starters or closers….
I was at yesterdays game and game earlier in April and it seems as though the fans were pretty tame. Not really booing anyone. I truly hope this continues. The booing was getting embarrassing.
As for Scho. He really looked good yesterday. Hope he keeps that up….
the fans will boo when they lose and not cheer when they win, simple as that. the fans booed lustily on saturday night when the pen failed to keep the game close.
Everyone knows they will boo, I was just stating that it seemed tame in the two games I attended this season…
okay…i was just saying that the booing didn’t sound tame to me saturday night. that’s all.
i obvioulsy meant *and cheer when they win…
well, he’ll give up a run in a tight game and the idiots will boo him, again.
by the way…
anyone going to start talking about the marlins yet? nine games over .500 after just 37 games. pretty impressive.
Yeah, but I can’t imagine their pitching will hold up. Nice young team on paper, but as Kenny Mayne says, games aren’t payed on paper, they’re played in that shiny little box called the TV.
i know…
but, they have the best record in baseball (wow!), which is SO shocking to me at this point in the season that I actually start wondering if this is perhaps the start of something special with that team.
Based on their expected W-L they are barely .500 so no I am not too worried.
that’s a silly stat.
Not really. It indicates a team is playing way over its head. And so early in a season, it also indicates that a team will regress to the mean.
Something else to consider with the Marlins: their record against teams under .500 is way better than their record against teams over .500, and they’ve played far more losing teams than winning teams so far.
Record against under-.500 teams: 19-7
Record against over-.500 teams: 4-7 (and this includes the Braves, who weren’t over .500 until sometime last week)
The only time I will concern myself with what the Marlins are doing is when they are playing the Mets. I don’t believe for one second that the Marlins will be playing meaningful games in September, but by the same token, I cringe whenever I see someone declare our meetings with them automatic Mets wins, and people will do that everytime those games come up.
look, i hear you, but the only thing that matters is wins and losses. they have the best record in baseball. you can only beat the teams you play, and they have done that with more efficiency than anyone else.
and, it’s not like the mets are world beaters against teams with .500 or better records.
Marlins 2008 Opponents, Results:
Mets: 1-2
Pirates: 3-2
Nats: 8-1
Astros: 1-2
Braves: 3-2
Brewers: 4-2
Dodgers: 0-3
Padres: 2-1
As you can see above, the Marlins have not played many of the stronger teams in the NL, only playing 4 teams currently over .500 (Would be 3 teams, if not for Atlanta’s 6-7 game win streak), accounting for just 14 games of 37 games, with a record of 5-9. Their early season dominance of the Nats is the driver of the Marlins’ record…Discounting games against Washington, the team is just 15-13. Add in the fact that they have yet to play some of the stronger NL teams, including the Phillies, Cubs and D-Backs, and it would seem as if the Marlins will fall back to the pack.
I was looking at the division records. I was surprised that it’s pretty good too.. 12-5.. What I find strange is that the Phils have only played 9 games against the East while everyone else has played almost twice that!
I don’t think it will last. Rookie pitching almost always hits a wall eventually.
It is very simple: If the Mets play to their potential; they’ll hear cheers from the fans. If they do not play to their potential; they will get booed.
he is pitching so well that I can’t call him Bloweneweis anymore
funny…my wife calls him Suckenweis. Did he suck, or did he blow? let’s hope we won’t see enough evidence to continue the debate.
The reason that Show’s stats are good is that Willie is finally using him properly – namely, against lefties. Show has always been solid against lefties and awful against righties. The same is the case this year (look at his R-L splits), though he is doing better against lefties as well. Last year, for some reason, Willie kept throwing him out there against righties (he actually had more IP against righties than lefties last year) and he predictably got hammered. This year, righties are hammering him again — actually, he has a worse BAA vs righties this year than last year — but he’s not facing as many righties. Actually, if I had to make an educated guess based on the games I’ve watched, it would be that most of his innings vs righties have been in games that are somewhat out of reach — for the most part, in the high-leverage situations, he’s been used as a LOOGY, which is the right way to use him.
He’s pretty much the same pitcher, but is finally being used properly. What is amazing, given his career splits, is that it took Willie a year to figure this out.
I don’t care what he does on the field… off the field he uses steroids, so he deserves to be booed.
The Baseball Commissioner’s Office met with Schoeneweis to discuss the 2007 ESPN report’s allegations. On December 6, 2007, the Commissioner’s Office announced that there was insufficient evidence of a violation of the joint program in effect at the time of the conduct in question to warrant discipline of Schoeneweis.[3]
Schoeneweis said the Mets and other clubs he had played for were aware of his use, which was tied to his treatment of testicular cancer, and t the levels were within the limits established by the collective bargaining agreement. “I was just trying to get to normal, not above normal. It’s all well-documented,” Schoeneweis said
I wanted Show to take a curtain call. He didn’t. So I had no choice but to boo him.
I even boo him when i see him warming up… haaaa
He was hurt most of last season and pitched anyway, strong the second half of last season, and has been great this season. Sorry, but New York fans aren’t “smarter” than any other fan and have a lot more in common with the rest of the rabid, knee-jerk illogical northeast fans than they’d like to admit.
I was at the game yesterday and cheered loudly for Schoeneweis. With the looks I was getting, you’d think I was booing David Wright.
If Wright does not start playing better he will soon hear some boos directed at him. Nobody is inmune to the boos.
you know what, you’re right, I bet that Wright doesn’t know he’s in a slump right now, so as fans, we should boo him to let him know that, so he can then realize that he should start hitting again. Pretty simple I guess, good job.
You always are sooo concerned about keeping the Mets in a positive frame of mind…… Shouldn’t you be brightstar instead of dark?
it’s not about a positive frame of mind, its about being realistic and rational with your thinking and behavior. What does booing accomplish besides a selfish desire to be heard and voice a grievance?
We agree re fans right to voice a grievance. Not sure where selfish makes sense…….
its selfish because if fans took into account the affect of booing on the team, they wouldn’t do it. Booing doesn’t help, thats easy to see, but it could hurt. So my take is that fans who boo a lot (and i’ll clarify by saying not all booing is bad), don’t really care about the team getting better, they only really care about how they feel about the team and their insistance on voicing that. In the end, its an ultimately futile endeavor which doesn’t improves the team, can actually harm the team, or in many cases, means absolutely nothing. Therefore, to me, it just seems like fans who boo a lot just like to hear their own voices and it makes them feel important, part of the process so to say.
The fans have a right to boo but booing Heilman with a 7 run lead saturday afternoon was very a suspect booing act by my standards.
yeah, i’m not saying they don’t have a right to boo, anyone can boo at any time, but i’ll still think they’re immature selfish punks for doing so, unless the booing is actually called for (someone not hustling, dogging it).
My take on booing Aaron was translated to “you’re kidding me, you really can’t get out of an inning without giving up runs?” Fan’s are sensitive to his inability to perform lately, and no matter the lead, they want to see him back to form.
If a player’s salary is among the highest in the league, and he continues to make outs in crucial situations, his production is poor across the board including fielding, at some point is it OK to boo?
I feel you but he only gave up one run. It wasn’t a merry-go-round where 4 runs was scored and all of a sudden it was a “game.”
You’re right, fans are sensitive but we are just a little too sensitive. C’mon, the Mets scored 12 runs in a home game and then Heilman comes in gives up a walk and a hit then a run and the boo birds fly?
Its getting a little weird. Its almost like Met fans are booing because everyone is telling them to stop.
Don’t worry Mets fans, as soon as Schoe has a bad game he’ll get incessently booed, just like Sanchez. Unfortunately, you have so many bandwagon fans now that they really don’t understand the game and boo ridiculously.
Schoeneweis officially left the fans’ doghouse when he tagged out Jose Bautista who tried to score on a wild pitch.