Matthew Cerrone

News: Vargas pulled from N’Ola Start
By Matthew Cerrone - May 13, 2008 1:32 pm

Triple-A New Orleans RHP Claudio Vargas was scratched from his start today, suggesting the Mets may opt to purchase his contract and have him start tomorrow at Shea for the Mets against the Nationals.

…at this point, it may just make sense to sit back and see how the Mets shuffle this roster around…

…if vargas is promoted, and Matt Wise is added, and if Luis Castillo is headed to the disabled list, which is more and more likely by the minute, there’s going to be all sorts of transactions coming down the pike, and all sorts of speculation to go along with it – ranging from whether Joe Smith will be demoted, to Jorge Sosa and Nelson Figueroa being dfa’d…

Update1:41 pm

According to Adam Rubin at his blog for the Daily News, Figueroa and Sosa could be in ‘trouble,’ while Smith could be staying.

Rubin also reports on the future of Castillo, Fernando Tatis and Angel Pagan, who could be heading to the disabled list.

117 Responses to “News: Vargas pulled from N’Ola Start”

  1. HOFMets57 says:

    Wish Joe Smith wasn’t going down…

    • PatBurrellSmellsLikeDirtyLaundry says:

      I think his performance should supercede the fact that the others need to get DFA’d. One way or the other, a decision has to be made on those other guys. So, are they saying if Jorge Sosa pitches lights out for 2 days in a row, we may keep him?

      It makes no sense to me. If the season ended today, Joe Smith would be on the playoff roster and Sosa wouldn’t. Simple as that.

    • thecoup says:

      ditto. we will quickly miss Smith.

      All this swapping will definitely involve a middle-infielder. Ideally someone with some pop for pinch hitting.

      I’m a huge fan of Castillo, but we knew he wasn’t going to play 150 games this year. Easley can’t be our every day guy for very long. Him and Anderson are our primary pinch hitters in RBI situations.

      Randolf talked about resting Reyes occasionally this year to prevent a burnout like last year. If he or Wright has a rough slide or diving catch, we have no one around to let them sit out the last couple of innings. nobody!

    • Nate W. says:

      The Mets could me making this a creative one day demotion of Smith. They can do it by DLing Castillo on Thurs, here’s how it goes.

      Wed: recall Vargas, option Smith
      Thurs: DL Castillo, recall Smith
      Fri: DFA Vargas, activate Wise

      voila! (not frank)

  2. dykstraw says:

    SIGH

    how does this make sense? if he performs well doesn’t he still have to be DFAed because we can’t carry all these pitchers?

    unless figueroa is going down.

    • backinbusiness says:

      Per Rubin’s blog:

      Why did the plan change? It would look like Nelson Figueroa’s poor performance Monday night is the major factor. I’d be seriously worried arriving at the ballpark today if I were Figueroa, since a Vargas call-up would mean he’s in the rotation for more than one turn.

      • mackey_sassers_arm says:

        I don’t get it. We (speaking as metsblog commenters) are all over willie all the time (not me, I love willie). Then, we are 36 games into the season and the following players don’t know if they will be on the roster in 5 hours: Castillo, Figgy, Tatis, Wise, Vargas, Atkins, Sosa, Smith, Pagan… Am I missing anyone? That is a lot of uncertainty for a team that we all think should win around 95 games. I think it is almost time to view this team for what it is, an 85-88 win team that will fight to make the playoffs. It’s not the worst thing in the world.

        • AlreadyMissShea says:

          “That is a lot of uncertainty for a team that we all think should win around 95 games.”

          Who is this all you speak of? :)
          I’m just messing with ya, but seriously, 95 games is going to be VERY tough for this team.

          I’ll sign up for 86-76. I’m not saying that from a ledge either. I just think the injuries are going to bite us in the @$$ as the year goes on.

        • Chan Ho Parking Lot says:

          It’s hard to say that 85-88 will happen. I’m getting the sense that this team is an 82-83 win team.

        • Nate W. says:

          you arent missing anyone, in fact you are creating people who dont exist or have reason to worry…

          Atkins?

        • mackey_sassers_arm says:

          I think Vegas had us pegged at 93.5 this year? Not positive about that though, i know it was close to that. They are normally pretty close and were within half a game last year.

          I am also basing it on all the negitive reactions around here when the team loses a game. We are above .500 and if we play at the same winning % for the rest of the year it works out to 85.5 wins.

          I like where we are right now. We are on pace for 85 wins and still waiting for our sparkplug to start contributing.

        • mackey_sassers_arm says:

          Ha, I meant Bostik… Atkins or Adkins was the piece of junk we got in the Heath Bell trade, right?

  3. backinbusiness says:

    This is from Rubin’s blog:

    Additional major news: Fernando Tatis looks like he’s coming up, too. Perhaps Luis Castillo’s injury requires the DL.

    UPDATE: Sounds like the Mets may have come to their senses and will spare Joe Smith, too. That could mean Jorge Sosa is in trouble….It might not be Castillo going on the DL. Sounds like Angel Pagan was in discomfort with his shoulder last night.

  4. lonman1129 says:

    I think Figgy’s days are done and that he will be waived and Vargas will take his spot. I believe Vargas had in his contract that if he is not promoted by a certain time he can be released. Ultimately the Mets believe him to be a better pitcher then Nelson.

    • backinbusiness says:

      I hope Figgy clears waivers and tunes up in AAA. He has some value for this team as a spot-starter/long man if he can find the zone.

      • krumbledkookie says:

        Agreed. I’d love for him to stick around in the organization, not just because he’s a “good story,” but because I think he’s of some value as a pitcher.

      • Santanaman says:

        I disagree about Figgy. He is topping out at 85mph 5 starts into the season. He is trending downward quickly.

        • kandiman says:

          Exactly, I think hes done with the mets as a productive pitcher. He was crafty and could get guys who had never seen him out before. Now that hes made a number of starts, theres video on him and hes not gonna fool Major League hitters with his 85 MPH fastball and quick pitches anymore.

          It was a great story while it lasted, and I think we should be grateful for the 2, maybe 3 quality Starts he gave us. The guy just can’t pitch past 5 innings.

        • PatBurrellSmellsLikeDirtyLaundry says:

          Which is why he may be a better option than Sosa, in Sosa’s role. I’d much rather trot him out there than send out Jorge “One hanging slider hit for a home run every outing” Sosa.

        • Chan Ho Parking Lot says:

          It would help if he threw strikes. His command has been flat out awful the past few starts.

  5. The Ghost of Shea Past says:

    Minaya needs to be held accountable for this horrid bullpen and his putrid talent evaluation. His lack of foresight always has the Mets scrambling for has been spot starters like Lime, Figuera, that guy Gonzalez a few years ago, now Vargas and his 5+ career ERA, etc. His assembling of the bullpen has been nothing less than atrocious.

    A team with this many resources needs to have a competent GM with a vision at the top. Wake up Wilpon!

    • Danny says:

      Is there a GM in baseball that can field a great bullpen from year to year? Relief pitchers are too volative to predict from one year to the next.

      I think Minaya has done a decent job of acquiring enough depth to move around and see what sticks for this season.

      • Danny says:

        Relief pitchers are too volatile*

        • mackey_sassers_arm says:

          And what team has great #6 or #7 starters to go to in case of injury?

        • The Ghost of Shea Past says:

          A team with a semi-respectable scouting department that has AAA or AA guys ready to be called up for spot start duty while gaining some valuable experience. Or do you prefer Minaya’s method of bringing crap Japan and Mexican League talent, throwing it at the wall and seeing if it sticks?

        • squad says:

          Um, Humber, Mulvey, and Guerra were traded for Johan. Pelfrey is doing a fine job filling in for Duque.

        • The Ghost of Shea Past says:

          Speaking of Pelfry- he and Joe Smith are the only two players developed in Omar’s 3+ years who are 1) from the Mets’ system and 2) on the big club. The scouting department looks great with those Orange and Blue glasses on, doesn’t it?

        • ravi3 says:

          Considering it generally takes longer than 3 years to develop a player in the minors, having 2 on the big league level is a good thing….Wright for instance, who was barely at AAA had 4 yrs. Reyes at 5 years was hurried as well.

        • squad says:

          Yeah, the scouting department does look great when we have two guys contributing the the big club (Pelfrey and Smith) and spun 4 guys for the best pitcher on the planet.

          Plus, we have FMart in AA, who many consider one of the top hitting prospects in the game to go along with some other solid (not great, solid) prospects in AA and below.

          Considering the lack of 1st round picks we’ve had due to free agent signings, I think this is pretty good.

          So don’t complain about lack of depth when you’re enjoying the services of Wagner, Pedro, Johan, Beltran, and Alou.

        • rogasm says:

          Not really being able to enjoy the services of Pedro. He’s never healthy!!!

        • Have to agree with ghost, generally. Omar’s use of the farm system to stock it with already failed or faded major or minor leaguers like Tatis, Gerald Williams, Dave Williams, Park and Lawrence … and his failure to develop top level pitching prospects by now who are at least at the AA level has been detrimental.

          Omar’s had three years already presiding over the draft and international signings. You would think by this time he would have produced more than F-Mart, Mulvey, Guerra, Smith and Pelfrey.

      • Relief pitchers are too volative to predict from one year to the next.

        This is simply not true. There are quite a few relief pitchers who are generally consistent from year to year. Bradford is one of them. Too bad Omar wouldn’t pay him what he ended up paying Show.

        • egnirc says:

          Bradford who wasn’t that happy playing in NY?
          Sometimes money doesn’t buy someone happiness and the desire to sign somewhere he doesn’t want to.

        • That’s not true. Who said he wasn’t happy playing in NY?

          When you find a reliever who can pitch well and succeed in NY, who’s been consistent in his career, and has reasonable contract demands, you sign him.

          This was obviously one of Omar’s biggest mistakes.

        • Danny says:

          Relievers are generally volatile. Of course there are exceptions. No team is stocked full of dependable relievers. There simply aren’t enough of them to go around.

        • egnirc says:

          After he left there was reports that he wasn’t happy in NY and was a loner in the clubhouse. And that Joe Smith was the only guy he bonded with in camp.
          May have been spin but who knows.

        • I never heard that and I don’t believe that for a second Can you find a link with a trusted source saying this?

          What was reported was that he wanted 3 years and Omar wouldn’t give it to him. The Orioles would.

        • No team is stocked full of dependable relievers. There simply aren’t enough of them to go around.

          Some teams are stocked better than others. And yes, there aren’t enough of them to go around. Which is why when you are a team with lots of resources and have one of them within your grasp, then you don’t let him get away over a measly additional year in a contract.

    • squad says:

      Raise your hand if you thought Heilman would pitch this bad. I don’t even like Heilman all that much and I still thought he would be better than this.

      Raise your hand if you knew Feliciano would have family issues at the start of the year.

      Raise your hand if you knew Pedro would go down in the FIRST START OF THE SEASON.

      Raise your hand if you knew Ollie would pitch poorly.

      If you want to give Minaya crap for Sosa and not having an adequate replacement for El Duque… fine. But all that I have listed above, no one could have predicted without reading tea leaves.

    • hyperion4 says:

      I’d have an easier judging your indictment of Minaya if I knew more about whether other GMs have done brilliant jobs assembling bullpens.

      I’m sure in my own mind that Minaya is not brilliant, but I doubt he’s any worse than average. Schoeneweis is looking pretty OK right now. Wise is actually a pretty good reliever when healthy. If Heilman were performing up to expectations the bullpen wouldn’t be a particular worry right now. I just don’t like the idea of sending Smith down.

      You know, I actually give credit to Minaya for getting 2-3 decent starts out of Figueroa. Now that the league’s on to him, send him packing and get someone else who might fool people for a couple of weeks. It’s a strategy, anyway. If anyone could have predicated that Livan Hernandez was going to pitch the way he has for the Twins, it would have been great to sign him, but as I recall there were mostly catcalls on this site when that idea was floated.

    • nrmax88 says:

      Minaya is widely known around the league and the world as one of the best talent evaluators/ scouts there is. There is a laundry list of guys in the big leagues he had a role in signing. It was because of Omar we signed Reyes, even though he was only an assitant at the time. Omar signed guys like Pudge, Sammy Sosa, Juan Gonzalez, traded absoutely NOTHING for John Maine and Oliver Perez. Cry me a river you little pus.

  6. mza4eva says:

    the only good thing about Wise is he would be a “fresh” arm, the bullpen is being taxed way too much, need to look at beyond inning but appereances, because with every appereance a reliever needs to warm up, get one out and done. Sosa is gone, please oh please let him be gone

    • Ceetar says:

      Don’t forget, except for .2 innings from Sanchez, the bullpen got three days off Wednesday,thursday, friday.

  7. stickguy says:

    well, with all the talk about aevaluating the team, etc. by the end of May, they should be willing to take some bolder moves to try and make the team better.

    Wait for them to shake out, but I would still lkie to see Figgy end up as the long man (Oliver role) at some point, but the pen is very crowded.

    Castillo should go on the DL if he is still hurting. Pagan down or DL if he can’t play

    Don’t keep the bench short though.

    Anyway, if the primary changes are Wise for Sosa, Vargas for Figgy, Tatis for Castillo (with Easley becoming the everday 2B), I don’t see much to complain about.

    Pen looks stronger, bench no weaker, and if Vargas gives them some decent starts, SP might be better too.

    Deal with Pedro when (if?) need be.

    Maybe there will even be another move if Pagan isn’t ready. Put him on the DL, and call up someone like Nick Evans for a cup of coffee.

    • Santanaman says:

      Well said and broken down. The only exception I would make would be keeping Figgy. There does not appear to be much upside there.

  8. The Ghost of Shea Past says:

    Does Tatis get the “Omar bonus” 2 year contract if he gets promoted to the big club?

    He’s got all the attributes Omar loves: aging, washed up and steroid user just like Mota, Felix Heredia, and Shoenweis.

    • AlreadyMissShea says:

      I don’t see it happening this time. If there is really going to be an evaluation at the end of the month, it would have to include more than just what Willie is doing during the games. At least I would hope so. I’m no Willie fan, but you can’t give a guy broken glass and expect him to make diamond rings.

      Then again, if the whole point of this “evaluation” will be to run Willie out of town and continue with business as usual, then it won’t take long for “Fire Willie” to turn into “Fire _________”, with the space being reserved for whoever actually replaces him.

    • ravi3 says:

      Heredia came in a salary dump, and even then never pitched for the team and was subsequently cut. Plus, way to cherry pick “Omar’s Attributes”, without any mention of players that have done well under his watch.

  9. NY Cuban says:

    Maybe the Mets are starting to take the pulse of the fan with the keeping Smith. Maybe they just came to their senses…I don’t know…I’ll just sit back and wait.

  10. Azman426 says:

    I think it should be obvious that Jorge Sosa should be designated for assignment. Although Figgy had a bad night yesterday, you can deffinitely say Sosa had an even WORSE night.
    I think the best idea would be to DFA Sosa, put Figgy in the long relief role, and bring Vargas up for the spot start.
    No way in hell should Joe Smith be sent down. Sending Smith down just because ‘he has options” is not a good reason to be sent down. Its unfair to him, who has pitched brilliantly out of the pen, and it hurts the team altogether.
    How would you feel as a reliever to be sent down after performing better than the majority of the bullpen ?

    • Azman426 says:

      Let me add also to send Vargas down with his one spot start, and finally bring back Mr. Wise.

      • squad says:

        Can’t send Vargas down. He doesn’t have options. He’s here to stay.

        • kandiman says:

          This is a MULTI-MILLION dollar business, who cares how Joe Smith feels about it. Its all about roster flexibility, guys with options can be sent down and brought back up at will. He would be back in 2 weeks anyway, why panic and cut Sosa right now? I agree that he is probably not going to be with this team into the middle of June, but u don’t have to do it right now.

        • hyperion4 says:

          And like they said above — Smith could come right back if someone is DL’d.

          Matt’s later post says that Pagan was DL’d. That may have been mishandled. If he had’nt been pinch-hitting almost everyday they could have backdated it. On the other hand, they may not miss Pagan too much. He seems really poorly cut out for pinch-hitting.

      • therealsince86 says:

        This all sounds good but you have to look at a couple of things.
        OPTIONS Or DFeD
        Sosa, your right who cares?
        However if you want Figgy to be your long man to replace Sosa what happens to Wise? He cant stay on the DL and you cant put him in the minors w/o going through waivers. Want to lose him too?
        And then you want to bring up Vargas for one start and then send him down (through waivers).

        Guys these decisions are not that easy.

        • Azman426 says:

          Then I guess maybe we bring up Bostick, who DOES have options.

        • therealsince86 says:

          Bostick and Collazo(sp).
          Now if you carry a heavy pitching staff and bring up one for Pagan then you can at least see what Wise has before making a decision. You will just be short a man on the bench.
          Vargas for Sosa
          Figgy to the pen
          Wise up for Pagan
          Tatis up for Castillo
          Smith stays
          When Pagan/Castillo come back you use one of Smith’s options and send him down if Wise is doing well or you DFA Wise if he is doing poorly.
          Then when Pedro comes back you DFA Figgy. Vargas goes to the pen.
          To me this buys you much more time. You only lose Sosa and you give others a chance to prove themselves. Did I miss anything here?

  11. zen says:

    i’d prefer for the front office to put hurt players on the dl quickly instead of waiting for them to miss several games leaving the bench or bullpen short especially when it’s your 4th outfielder or when you have a bench filled with 2b’s to replace castillo.

    • squad says:

      Great comment. They have done this throughout Omar’s tenure. It drives me crazy.

      • Ceetar says:

        It dosen’t seem to be a Mets exclusive issue. Rollins did the same thing, as did Posada.

        • kandiman says:

          Why put them on right away when its a borderline injury, you risk losing them for 2 weeks when they could possibly played in a couple days. Besides u can retroactively put them on the DL.

        • squad says:

          So because the Phillies and Yankees both made dopey moves its ok for us to make dopey moves?

    • therealsince86 says:

      What makes it even worse is in Pagan’s case to use him as a pinch hitter. Come on, just send him down and buy time for this roster change. You could have went without him on the bench for a few days you already were anyway.

      • backinbusiness says:

        yep, same thing as rollins. bites you in the butt in terms of retroactive time.

  12. Hubie says:

    “at this point, it may just make sense to sit back and see how the Mets shuffle this roster around”

    Best words of the day. All of the speculation today has been just silly. Some of the blogsters just stir up trouble with the unfounded speculation.

    • AlreadyMissShea says:

      No, speculation is just that. Speculation. Just because you don’t agree with people’s views doesn’t make them silly.

      Sometimes I wonder just what kind of comments section some of you want. Personally, I like to read views that are different than my own. Sometimes you can look past your own bias and actually learn something from somebody else. I know I have.

      • therealsince86 says:

        Wow, I wonder why you took offense to this? Did you think he was talking about you?

        • AlreadyMissShea says:

          No, and I didn’t take offense to it.
          Where did you get the impression that I did?

          I just think you can learn a lot from other people if you don’t mind opening yourself up to different viewpoints.

          Hell, I said “I know I have”
          And when I said that, I was actually talking about you.

          No offense taken to anything. But different points of view are what makes the world go round. I don’t agree with everything you post, but I’ve been wrong before and you’ve been right, and I wasn’t afraid to say so. Just gotta keep an open mind.

        • therealsince86 says:

          You have to on here but there is a lot of people on here trying to tell who to post what. There is a difference in betwen engaging a debate with a contrary view and then just calling them out and telling them not to post. Not that you did that but there’s a lot of that going around on here.
          So I think your right but to get on him for saying a comment is silly you also have to get on the guys who say “The Mets #@$34ing Suck”

        • AlreadyMissShea says:

          I’ve actually ignored the “Mets (#($@%* Suck” comments because I didn’t think they were worth responding to, similar to the name-calling. People disagreeing, even strongly, is productive. The other stuff is not.

          The worst comments on here are the ones like “Your (sic) an idiot” or “This team sucks”

          Speculation is good, those other things are not.

          Actually, if someone wants to say the team sucks, they should at least say why they feel that way. Then we’re having a dialogue. Otherwise, in my opinion anyway, it’s not worthy of a reply.

        • AlreadyMissShea says:

          And having said “Speculation is good, those other things are not.”, again that’s just my opinion, so I’m not saying people shouldn’t do it. Just that it’s not what I come here to read personally.

        • therealsince86 says:

          I agree completely. However, with me being here since the first few months of this blog I guess it bothers me to see the comment section take such a drastic turn towards comments that bring nothing to the once famed dialogue here. Anyway gotta go and will be back for the game tonight to “debate” some more.

  13. Necciai27 says:

    Just one thing…who takes Angel Pagan’s place if he heads to the DL? So far, it would seem to break down as follows…
    Figgy…gone for Vargas.
    Sosa…gone for Wise.
    Castillo…DL’ed for Tatis.
    Pagan…DL’ed for ???

    Val Pascucci has some MLB experience and has been hitting far better than he was with the Phillies’ AAA team, the Lehigh Valley IronPigs (God, if only the MLB team in Philadelphia would change its name to such an apt moniker…). Pascucci can also play first base and bats right-handed. And he’s mauled left-handed pitching to a .455 clip (22 AB, 10 hits, 4 homers). His only fault? He’s a pretty awful fielder. If you brought up Brady Clark again, then you could probably get better defense, but you’d lose something in terms of hitting.

  14. mrmustseetv says:

    Here’s what you do:

    1. DFA Figeroa and promote Vargas.

    2. DFA Sosa and activiate Wise.

    3. DL Castillo or Pagan if needed and promote Tatis if Castillo is on the DL or Clark if Pagan is on the DL in the short term. The Mets should not play short-handed on the bench.

    • mex84 says:

      Vargas could take over Figgys role. He seems like he has the stuff to dominate out of the pen.

    • Azman426 says:

      I think its unanimous to send down Sosa.
      Everything else seems to be iffy.

  15. therealsince86 says:

    I put this in the wrong spot earlier.

    Carry a heavy pitching staff and bring up one for Pagan then you can at least see what Wise has before making a decision. You will just be short a man on the bench.
    Vargas for Sosa
    Figgy to the pen
    Wise up for Pagan
    Tatis up for Castillo
    Smith stays
    When Pagan/Castillo come back you use one of Smith’s options and send him down if Wise is doing well or you DFA Wise if he is doing poorly.
    Then when Pedro comes back you DFA Figgy. Vargas goes to the pen.
    To me this buys you much more time. You only lose Sosa and you give others a chance to prove themselves. Did I miss anything here?

    • mrmustseetv says:

      All this to keep Figeroa? Why?

      Just DFA Sosa and Figeroa and bring up Vargas and Wise.

      You don’t play short on the bench. You need bats, too. The Mets already play with only 5 reserves. Now we want them to go down to 4 only to protect Figeroa? Come one. He was a nice story, but you need a deeper bench than 4.

      • therealsince86 says:

        We have been playing without Pagan anyway. It has not hurt us. It’s playing short handed for 2 weeks. Do you feel good about letting Sosa and Figgy go for 2 pitchers that we really have never seen pitch?

      • therealsince86 says:

        Besides that, all what? Pagan and Castillo have to go down anyway if they are injured. The only difference I am making is that you bring in Vargas instead of Brady friggin Clark.

  16. Danny says:

    Figueroa the first time through the order: .156/.257/.172/.429

    • Danny says:

      Figueroa versus righties: .163/.294/.209/.503

      • Azman426 says:

        Which shows why he would be a good long-relief guy.

        • Danny says:

          Exactly. A good utility/long relief guy.

          You can bring him in to face a tough righty in a pinch, and he can go 3+ innings for you on call as well. Complete rubber arm, just like Sosa, except he’s better than Sosa right now.

      • Hubie says:

        Those Figueroa first time through the order stats were helped greatly by his first 3 starts where he was very good early on. His last two starts he has been shaky the first time through the offer and then really bad the 2nd time through. I don’t like Sosa, but don’t see Figgy being much of an improvement. Just watching his last two starts, he has had little command and can’t throw his breaking ball when he needs too.

        • Danny says:

          So maybe he isn’t as good as his first few starts and not as bad as his last 2 starts?

          Either way, he’s better than Sosa.

  17. kandiman says:

    Figueroa, last 5 starts:

    5.0 IP
    5.1 IP
    3.1 IP
    5.0 IP
    5.0 IP

    This is the guy who is killing the Bullpen, not Perez. The book is out on Figueroa send him back to the Mexican League. Great story done as a Met

    • therealsince86 says:

      Again, why not let him take the long man’s role? Look at the other stats besides innings. He does very well 1st time through.

      • kandiman says:

        Either way, as long as Sosa is gone too. I’m not too worried about the long relief guy. The Problem is that Willie uses Sosa as a righty specialist alot and not just as the long man.

        • therealsince86 says:

          I have not seen Sosa in too many times just to face a righty. He uses him to deep into games yes but he’s usually in there for the inning unless or until he implodes, right?

        • Danny says:

          Sosa was brought in a few times just to face a righty. Not often, but a few times (probably whenever Smith wasn’t available).

          FIgs could do that, too. He’s been a lot tougher on righties than Sosa this year. He’s got a good slider too, but he actually has confidence in and throws other pitches.

    • dc13 says:

      Agree Figgy is done here. But check out Pelfrey’s last 6 starts:

      6.0
      5.0
      5.1
      5.0
      7.0
      5.0

      And Ollie’s 8:

      6.0
      6.0
      1.2
      5.2
      2.5
      4.1
      5.2
      6.0

      This is going on 3 of every 5 days. And it’s not like Santana has been going 8 innings. Bullpen is getting killed.

      • therealsince86 says:

        Agreed. Willie has to let some of these guys bite the bullet evey once in a while. I think he actually may have listened too much to the fans and is trying to win every game a little too much. Last night guys wanted Figgy out after 4 I wanted him to come back out for the 6th. Some nights you are not going to win. I remember many pitchers like Schilling and Livan pitching complete games that they gave up 5+ runs in. Let them go and win another day.

        • Santanaman says:

          If Willie was trying to win last night’s game too much, Figgy would not have been allowed to come out for the 5th

        • Nate W. says:

          I wanted Figgy PH for in the bottom of the 4th, mainly so they could use Sosa for 3 or 4 innings and then dump him.
          :)

          Of course, Sosa cant get past 1 inning right now, so what was I thinking…

        • therealsince86 says:

          Who was he going to bring in? Sosa?

        • nrmax88 says:

          You wanted Figgy to stay in? Why? He gave them the lead back 3 innings in a row the half inning after we gave him the lead. He was walking the ballpark and had leadoff guys on all the time. That was a tough one to watch. Atleast Figgy and Sosa are gone now though, let us all rejoice.

      • Azman426 says:

        Really I know everyone complains the bullpen is getting taxed again, but is there any other team that has 2 starters who consistently go 7+ innings? ( one off the top of my head would be D’backs, but thats about it)

        • Danny says:

          Toronto’s rotation has been unbelievable in this regard,

          But you’re right, it’s rare.

      • therealsince86 says:

        It’s pretty clear that Ollies 2 or less inning starts have done much more damage than Figgy’s 5 inning starts.

        • Nate W. says:

          Its the combination of the three of them that is killing the pen. They cant remove Perez, (well they could trade him) so they will start with Figgy, and Pelfrey could be next. Although Pelf hasnt really given them reason to demote him just yet.

    • Santanaman says:

      Absolutly fully 100% agree with your assesment

    • backinbusiness says:

      Figgy’s 3.1 was in long relief, not a start.

    • Nate W. says:

      While I agree with you, the 3 1/3 IP was in relief of Perez. He did an admirable job of mopping up on short rest that day.

  18. Nate W. says:

    In his first two starts Figgy allowed 9 baserunners in 13 IP, a 0.69 WHIP had a 2.77 ERA, 13 K’s.

    In his last 4 starts he’s allowed 27 hits and 17 BB’s in 20 1/3 IP, a 2.16 WHIP, had a 6.64 ERA with 12 K’s.

    Its rather obvious that the league didnt care who he was, and very quickly figured him out.

    In relief he has allowed 7 hits and 3 BB in 5 1/3 IP, a 1.88 WHIP, had a 5.06 ERA and struck out 4. So he’s not been all that good in any role after his first 15 IP. The league has his number now, so its just was well they give someone else a try.

  19. Azman426 says:

    FACT: Mets as of today, are #16 in the league in most innings pitched by a reliever, #12 in the National League.

    So if you think our bullpen is getting beat up, think again.

    • backinbusiness says:

      just out of curiosity, where did you find this stat?

    • Nate W. says:

      Find the stat relative to pitches by a reliever. As noted on SNY the last few days the Mets are up near the top of baseball in both.

      The Mets pen is getting beat up, in that they throw a ton of pitches and give up runs. They dont pitch more innings than the rest of baseball, they just do a worse job with them.

      • Nate W. says:

        the ‘both’ refers to pitches by relievers, and pitching changes, sorry.

    • reyesnwright says:

      Only problem with this state is that they have played the fewest games of any team in the league (36). Most teams have played 38 or 39 games, some even 40 or 41 games. You would have to look at releif innings per game for this to mean anything.

      • reyesnwright says:

        *only problem with this stat

        • FSMetFan says:

          thank you…and i’ve been saying that since ppl have been bringing that stat up…and thats obviously why they are where they are in the rankings…its rare where anyone goes more that 6 innings on this team…if you watch every game youd know that…that stat is completely wrong bc of the less games played

  20. Hubie says:

    The bullpen has not been overused yet, but only because of days off and rain outs. if the starters continue to give us only 5+ or 6 innings, this will become an issue though. The IP by mets relievers are down b/c we have not played as many games as other teams, nor any extra long extra inning games yet, unlike Colorado and SD to name two teams.

  21. cape mets says:

    I’m gonna DFA this whole discussion. Yawn…….

  22. huge_mets_fan11 says:

    Loving the call up of Tatis if it true. Then he could give guys like Wright (looks he needs a day off) and Reyes days off during the course of the year. Also when it is a blowout, we did not have a backup 3B or SS to go in place of them during a blowout besides Easley, now we do. Very good move.

  23. k-mets says:

    According to WFan,
    The team did DFA Sosa and Figgy and DL Pagan. Broyght up Tatis, Vergas, and Wise! Yeah! Sosa DFA