Comments on: Opinion: Pitching Through Pain http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: dykstraw http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164759 dykstraw Tue, 13 May 2008 20:26:06 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164759 but he didn't, at least not according to burkhardt last night. but he didn’t, at least not according to burkhardt last night.

]]> By: dykstraw http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164749 dykstraw Tue, 13 May 2008 20:07:02 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164749 the onus is DEFINITELY on them when it was clear that feliciano was the lefty who should have been pitching to all comers. the onus is DEFINITELY on them when it was clear that feliciano was the lefty who should have been pitching to all comers.

]]> By: Free Aaron Heilman http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164732 Free Aaron Heilman Tue, 13 May 2008 19:52:22 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164732 What if he hid the extent of his pain and injury? What if he hid the extent of his pain and injury?

]]> By: iamatwork http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164675 iamatwork Tue, 13 May 2008 18:56:17 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164675 It's not his fault. If he wasn't healthy it was the team's job to sit him down. He did his best with what he could and now (hopefully) we're seeing the real Shoenweis. It’s not his fault. If he wasn’t healthy it was the team’s job to sit him down. He did his best with what he could and now (hopefully) we’re seeing the real Shoenweis.

]]> By: Free Aaron Heilman http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164664 Free Aaron Heilman Tue, 13 May 2008 18:51:25 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164664 Yeah, everyone knows that Show's numbers are best against lefty hitters. And everyone knows he is best used as a LOOGY. But very few teams can afford to stock their bullpens with a LOOGY unless they overuse other relievers. That was the case with the Mets last year. And it's the case with them this year. So stop putting the onus on Willie (and Peterson). Of course they know it would be ideal to use Show for 1 or 2 batters only. But they can't afford to most of the time. And for anyone inclined to whine about Willie's use of Show give an example of a reliever this year being used just as a LOOGY. Further, you don't give a reliever $3+ million a year to be a LOOGY. That was not Omar's intention when he signed Show. As for his injury, that's no excuse. You have to assume it didn't hamper him or he would have been selfish to have not gone on the DL. Yeah, everyone knows that Show’s numbers are best against lefty hitters. And everyone knows he is best used as a LOOGY. But very few teams can afford to stock their bullpens with a LOOGY unless they overuse other relievers. That was the case with the Mets last year. And it’s the case with them this year.

So stop putting the onus on Willie (and Peterson). Of course they know it would be ideal to use Show for 1 or 2 batters only. But they can’t afford to most of the time.

And for anyone inclined to whine about Willie’s use of Show give an example of a reliever this year being used just as a LOOGY.

Further, you don’t give a reliever $3+ million a year to be a LOOGY. That was not Omar’s intention when he signed Show.

As for his injury, that’s no excuse. You have to assume it didn’t hamper him or he would have been selfish to have not gone on the DL.

]]> By: ness589 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164631 ness589 Tue, 13 May 2008 18:34:42 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164631 They should have picked up Romero. Except Minaya was delusional and didn't think they needed another arm on the team. Fortunately, he learns from his mistakes. They should have picked up Romero. Except Minaya was delusional and didn’t think they needed another arm on the team. Fortunately, he learns from his mistakes.

]]> By: Chan Ho Parking Lot http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164619 Chan Ho Parking Lot Tue, 13 May 2008 18:28:50 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164619 The funny thing is, Willie doesn't have a problem with Schoeneweis facing a righty (as evidenced by your stats). However, when Feliciano gives up a walk or a hit, and a right handed batter is up next, Willie runs so fast to the mound to yank Feliciano, even Reyes would have trouble keeping up with him. The funny thing is, Willie doesn’t have a problem with Schoeneweis facing a righty (as evidenced by your stats). However, when Feliciano gives up a walk or a hit, and a right handed batter is up next, Willie runs so fast to the mound to yank Feliciano, even Reyes would have trouble keeping up with him.

]]> By: moze1021 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164606 moze1021 Tue, 13 May 2008 18:21:03 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164606 The injury really didnt make him pitch that badly... He pitched fine...its just that he was used incorrectly... Schoeneweis is a LOOGY...and he has no business facing righties...just look at the numbers... 2007 Total Plate Appearances (batters faced): 265 RH faced: 157 LH faced: 108 That means that in 2007 over 59% of the batters Scott faced were right-handed!!! How did the splits look?? RH batters: .316 BA .963 OPS LH batters: .204 BA .556 OPS So Scott Schoeneweis was actually very good in 2007 when used correctly (against LHers)!!!! Now, how do the 2008 numbers differ?? 2008 Total PA (batters faced): 47 RH faced: 23 LH faced: 24 And the splits... RH batters: .381 BA .915 OPS LH batters: .095 BA .412 OPS So, the fact of the matter is....Scott Schoeneweis is still GARBAGE against right handed hitters...but if Willie puts him in situations where he is facing mostly lefties, instead of mostly righties...he will succeed.... The injury really didnt make him pitch that badly…

He pitched fine…its just that he was used incorrectly…

Schoeneweis is a LOOGY…and he has no business facing righties…just look at the numbers…

2007

Total Plate Appearances (batters faced): 265

RH faced: 157
LH faced: 108

That means that in 2007 over 59% of the batters Scott faced were right-handed!!!

How did the splits look??

RH batters: .316 BA .963 OPS
LH batters: .204 BA .556 OPS

So Scott Schoeneweis was actually very good in 2007 when used correctly (against LHers)!!!!

Now, how do the 2008 numbers differ??

2008

Total PA (batters faced): 47

RH faced: 23
LH faced: 24

And the splits…

RH batters: .381 BA .915 OPS
LH batters: .095 BA .412 OPS

So, the fact of the matter is….Scott Schoeneweis is still GARBAGE against right handed hitters…but if Willie puts him in situations where he is facing mostly lefties, instead of mostly righties…he will succeed….

]]> By: dykstraw http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164596 dykstraw Tue, 13 May 2008 18:17:28 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164596 i commend him for going out there and doing what he could. it's not his job to beg onto the disabled list. blame the front office and training staff for not overriding him and putting him on the shelf in favor of someone who could pitch. it's not like he kept his injury a secret. i commend him for going out there and doing what he could. it’s not his job to beg onto the disabled list. blame the front office and training staff for not overriding him and putting him on the shelf in favor of someone who could pitch. it’s not like he kept his injury a secret.

]]> By: MetsFanInAustin http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164586 MetsFanInAustin Tue, 13 May 2008 18:13:23 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/13/opinion-pitching-through-pain/#comment-164586 I remember a certain Braden Looper as our closer - who was pitching while hurt and he ended up terrible-ing our season and got boo-ed all year long. I hope this is not a trend for the Mets to keep ineffective injured pitchers on the mound with minimal return by doing so. I remember a certain Braden Looper as our closer – who was pitching while hurt and he ended up terrible-ing our season and got boo-ed all year long. I hope this is not a trend for the Mets to keep ineffective injured pitchers on the mound with minimal return by doing so.

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