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The Mets (20-18) lost to the Nationals (17-24) by a score of 5 to 3 at Shea Stadium tonight.
For a complete recap and box score, check out SNY.tv.
Oh, Aaron Heilman, I don’t even know what to say anymore. He was an absolute nightmare tonight allowing three runs, not including the stranded runner left by Claudio Vargas with two outs in the seventh. He even had an 0-2 count on Jesus Flores, who opened the flood gates with a RBI single. I’m actually starting to feel bad for the guy.
What’s curious is why Willie Randolph didn’t take out Heilman after Felipe Lopez drove in the Nationals third run of the night. It was obvious Heilman was stuggling and it shouldn’t have been until the fourth run of inning scored before Willie pulled Heilman for Joe Smith, who promptly struck out Ryan Zimmerman on the three pitches. With the way Heilman has pitched this season, he doesn’t deserve that much rope.
As for Vargas, you couldn’t ask for more. He was stellar through the the first six innings, but ran out of gas after getting one out in the seventh. Unfortunately his effort was wasted by Heilman. It’s shame, you pitched well for the win tonight, Claudio. However, welcome abroad. I look forward to your next start.
I know it was a close pitch, but Moises Alou, who was ejected in the fifth for slamming hit bat acrossed homeplate, must do a better job keeping his composure. There was absolutely no reason for that kind of response and he deserved the ejection. Moises, you’re too important of a player on this team to act in such a selfish manner and your actions cost your team a chance to rally in the eighth.
Although they didn’t have many chances against Tim Redding tonight and the got a bit unlucky with a few hard hit balls, the offense still struggled when men on base.
Splitting this four-game series against the Nationals is the last thing this team needed and they can do no better than that with a win tomorrow.
The Mets finish off their four-game series against the Nationals tomorrow afternoon with Mike Pelfrey making the start.
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“What’s curious is why Willie Randolph didn’t take out Heilman after Felipe Lopez drove in the Nationals third run of the night.”
“Curious” is not the word I’d use.
I know why he did it. Willie trusts his guys.
Or maybe because Smith wasn’t ready? Perhaps Willie didn’t have an option? Were you actually watching the game? Did you see the look on Willie’s face after Heilman let the first run in? He was ready to pull him right then and there so he sent out Peterson to stall for time and phoned the bullpen. The man isn’t God, he can’t just make changes on a whim if his pitchers aren’t ready to come in. Or am I wrong and Joe Smith was ready after throwing for 45 seconds?
Isn’t it Willie’s fault if he doesn;t have another pitcher ready? Aaron Heilman should NEVER be warming up alone in the bullpen.
This is very stupid logic. He started warming Heilman up before Smith, that is the point. He went to Heilman in the first place, that’s what he did wrong. YES, Willie is “just a man,” I don’t think anyone here sees him as godlike.
perhaps heilman should never have been in the game…smith is turning into a very good reliever…so use him like he is a very good releiver…experiment with heilman in spots which are not crucial for the outcome of the game
Look Guys, ITs not just Heilman or Willie it the whole team. How can we NOT beat these last place teams? We scored first and I thought well we will win now, then we give it back and I turned to my wife and said its over. Heilman comes in and gave up the go ahead run and I turned off the TV and went to bed. The game was over at 9pm. We cant fight back and we dont have the heart to come from behind. The wheels come flying off in the 7 th and 8 th innings. We will not go anyplace at all if we win 1 and loose 1 we will stay a 500 team. we needed to rollover the REDS and NATS and win 5 or 6 in a row or even all 7 and now the best we can hope for is 4-3 and with Big Pelf we might have to settle for 3-4. THis team is doomed.
EXACTLY - Randolph will let you get yourself out of it.
Maybe he goes a little too much on hunches.
Maybe he got a team with Jose Reyes playing all on instinct and little on smarts. This, I’m afraid, will not change as time goes on.
People, this is his FOURTH season managing professionally. He got in 2005 with a Mets team hitting all cylinders the next year - Willie got in at the right time.
He can teach David Wright how to be a leader and better player. That doesn’t make Randolph a good manager, that makes him a good coach.
Get Ken Oberkfell ready.
why did willie even take vargas out? he was pitching well, gave up a baserunner. keep him in and see if he can get out of it
this is why mets pitchers can’t go 9 innings. they always expect to be taken out early in games
Yuck.
More curious is, why did he bring him in with a runner on base mid-inning? That never works.
Smith should have come in at that point.
I picked the right time to get home and stop listening: right after the DP in the top of the 6th! Unless I jinxed them, in which case I am sorry.
Man, Heilman must have gotten roasted by the fans tonight. Maybe sending him down for Muniz does need to happen…
Also wouldn’t be opposed to a trade if someone still wanted him.
But, they still should have put up more runs against the Nats at home. 5 is certainly not too many to overcome.
Heilman is totally unuseable right now. Does he have any options at all?
He didn’t take him out because he failed to have anyone warmed up.
Sorry that is to rational for the comments section.
huh? whose mistake was that?
Heilman’s. WHY would Willie possibly feel the need to warm up Smith when Heilman had an 0-2 count with 2 outs? Would you? With one strike to go to get out of the inning without allowing any baserunners of his own you would’ve warmed up another pitcher? Or would you just always have pitchers throwing just in case?
Get used to this Mets fans; this will be our season. Am I the only one that thinks Reyes may have the same type of problem that was the downfall of Gooden and Strawberry? He seems unable to focus.
HUH? Dob you know anything about Dwight Gooden and Darryl Strawberry? Inability to focus? When did Dwight Gooden, on the playing field, ever have an inability to focus? What “type of problem” are you referring to? Read up before making inane analogies or speculating that Jose Reyes is going to develop a cocaine problem after missing half a season with an injured shoulder. Jose Reyes has so little in common with either player on any level that I’m astounded with myself that I am responding to this.
Anyway it’s too bad Jose Reyes pitched so poorly in relief tonight and that Jose Reyes didn’t take Heilman out sooner. Jose Reyes really blew this one. He must be on drugs.
unless you have evidence of wrong doing you should really just keep you mouth closed.
Reyes…Doc and Darrell? Nice try Willie, but nothing you say is going to make us stop bashing you tonight. YOU lost this game. Any manager not named Randolph, Baker or Torre would have known not to put Heilman out there.
Willie is sooooooo gone after the hierarchy evaluates this team in 2 weeks. I agree with everyone…..if you are gonna bring in Heilman in that spot (which he shouldn’t have done to begin with) at least have someone warming up in the pen before the game gets out of control. I was never a real Willie hater but the more I watch this team and the more I watch his moves……..the more angered I get. As a side note at least the team didn’t roll over and die after Heilman aka the Hindenberg blew the game. Lets hope Pelf has a good outing tomorrow
I guess “Re-run” is not in Willie’s dictionary.
Heilman blows games? wow not what I would of expected…
It is so depressing right now. I’m amazed we even scored twice after falling behind.
Depressing is definitely the right word for this team.
Moises may have been selfish, but Willie can’t be standing on the top of the dugout steps with his thumb you know where- he’s got to be out defending his player and showing his team he cares. He’s stoic, and like his team, will take what it gets and show no fight.
alou got tossed before he could do anything, so that’s kind of a moot point.
also: “you’re,” not “your”
What’s done was done- but go out there and let the ump know the pitch was low and outside- Bobby Cox would have.
You just said something good about Bobby Cox… To be honest that would be a purely idiotic move for Willie to go out there knowing all it would accomplish is a trip to the locker room himself.
please dont mention willie and cox in the same sentence
Wilie getting tossed tonight might have resulted in a win.
to be fair, he was tossed before anyone could have reacted. Would love to know what he said, since it must have been good!
I would usually agree that Willie is horrible about defending his players on the field with the umps. But this one was just too quick to react to.
time for the “was this willie’s fault” poll, guys
According to Bob Klapisch on ESPN.com, the Wilpon Boys are tiring of Omar and Willie’s mediocre Mets and have privately given the skipper one month to prove the team can be something other than also-ran under his direction.
One month starting when? 30 days ago, I hope.
UGH… This could end up getting very ugly. We haven’t actually SEEN very ugly yet.
Look, I’ve posted a few times in the last couple of weeks that our best course of action is to win WITH Willie. I still believe that even though I am not a fan of his. This isn’t a video game. It’s real life with real people and real distractions that can lead to even bigger real problems. So again, I feel that our best course of action is to win WITH what we have.
But, if by some chance the Wilpons have already made a decision, don’t bother waiting for some magic date on the calendar where you can try to convince people you waited long enough. I say win with what you have, but I don’t own this team. If the owners have already decided to go another way, then just do it and be done with it.
The only thing I’ve ever liked about Willie is that he wasn’t Art Howe. Now the only thing I like about Art Howe is that he isn’t Willie.
almost as good, Fla is becoming the ‘06 Mets. They just scored 6 in the top of the ninth to tie up the game 6-6. Hey, if the Mets had scored 6 in the ninth, they would have won!
I’ve been the biggest supporter of Heilman, but I think it’s finally time to do something about him. Either bury him deep in the pen (which is counter-productive on two ends, the need for work and roster space) or designate him for assignment in the minors. I really think it’s time to be proactive with Aaron.
Well I have little doubt that if he gets DFA’d he’d be picked up in a second by a team. He has a relatively low salary and decent stuff - enough where a team like the Braves, Phillies A’s, etc think they could fix him quickly. And the sad thing is that they would probably be right.
I’m all for trying something else with Heilman, but the options seemed limited unless someone hurts him and the Mets have to put him on the DL. :D
does he have an option left? i think he might.
heilman has options left, it was confirmed last week when people were calling for his demotion. He needs to do what trashel did a few years back, go down to the minors, figure out whats wrong and not cost his team any more games,
Let’s face it the Mets are NOT GOOD!!! And there is no reason to think they will get better. It’s going to be a long dreadfull season. I wish it was septmeber, already, so they would be out of it.
football season can’t come soon enough.
You know part of me things that too. Maybe the team is just overrated to begin with, regardless of manager, etc.
They have older guys that are just regressing or injured. Maybe Reyes is overrated himself. Besides Santana and Maine the staff is overrated. The pen, is well, the pen.
Maybe expectations for this team were too high to start with. That is the collective Mets faults.
I hope I’m wrong, but it has crossed my mind numerous times.
possibly, but if that’s the case, fire the manager and find out
there’s no reason to keep him around
That is fine. I said in the game thread, I’m up for a change, but I defend Willie because at the end the losses aren’t his fault. He uses who he has.
But change sometimes does wake a team up for a bit (see even Rick Down last year - it worked for a bit).
I’d also be for changing pitching coaches too. As good as Peterson thinks he is, I find him overrated and some of his pitching philosophy odd.
The guy I’d like to see is the guy they mentioned in the offseason - if for nothing else to see if he can light a fire underneath the hitters. It’s the Ranger’s hitting coach, Rudy Jaramillo.
And according to some he can’t be any worse then Willie and at least he knows hitting.
So we should fire Peterson a pitching coach and hire Jaramillo a hitting coach? Genius plan you got there. And the current managers available? There is a reason they are unemployed you know. After all, changing the pilot in the middle of a descent is such a good idea why don’t we change managers so the players have to adapt during the middle of the season where they are already struggling. Do you honestly believe firing Willie will make some crazy immediate impact? Where is the LOGIC in that?
I said the manager and pitching coach.
And get Jaramillo as the manager. He can take over duties for Johnson at times too.
As for pitching coach. Might as well go get Leo Mazzone. He might be out of a job, but hey he has a proven track record.
And if you’ve read my posts, I actually defend Willie quite a bit. However I do think making a change (whatever it might be) gives a team a scare that makes them pay more attention for a short spurt, but usually in the long term it doesn’t work out.
At the end I doubt Guru Jacket is let go, at least until the off season. Willie is another thing.
if this loss isn’t willie’s fault, then by definition, no loss, or win, can be on his account.
if for no other reason, willie should be fired to protect the team from a justly enraged fanbase. like how a fuse is blown to protect a circuit.
Or the fan base can just grow up.
Growing up includes the recognition of being held accountable. Something Willie has not yet been exposed to by the Mets.
i couldn’t agree more, i definitely feel this team is way overrated. that being said they should still beat up on the reds & nationals.
just have to hope they turn it around because there’s nothing else you can do.
maybe pedro comes back & lights a fire under their ass
The Marlins just lost 3 straight to the Reds, even the worst teams in the league will win 60 games and are going to beat the good teams. In the beginning of the year I’m sure everyone would have taken a 13-5 record against the Nationals for the year. You can’t expect to win them all!
Willie isn’t going anywhere if Omar has any say about it. He’s his criticism shield. The guy will be here all season and it sucks.
i have enough to go around: JESUS FLORES 2 GWRBI this series!
Well said, Mestfan119. However, I think the fakllguy may be falling whether Omar wanst him to or not. The Wilpons reluctantly were talked into keeping Omar’s fallguy (by Omar) after The Collapse. Can’t believe he’ll be able to talk them out of canning him again.
Its getting really difficult to keep defending heilman. He is bad with inherited runners. This game just looks even worse considering the marlins rallied in the 9th to tie the game. 6 runs and we cannot get 2. Im glad they showed some fight and not caving in down by 4. Im not sure if someone knows if heilman has any options left but if he does i dont know why they wont make a play to get him. Its just amazing that heilman only needs 1 pitch..1 PITCH to get outta the inning and it never goes thru for him. I think willie should have stretched out vargas to finish that inning but i guess it was a 50/50 call w/e. I dont know…we need to clobber these teams and we are just not getting it done…..lets get em tomorrow…..
Agreed. It’s in his head and he has said as much. It’s like he goes 0-2 and then his head starts spinning “ok ok just one pitch oh god i can’t eff this up i just need one damn pitch i suck i suck”…crushed.
And this is why he should not come in with guys on and should be on a short leash until he gets his head on straight.
A good team finds a way to win the game tonight. No matter who the opponent is, never mind the miserable Nationals.
And it’s hard to acknowledge any statistics in a sport where Claudio Vargas is given the loss in a game like tonight’s.
That post game press conference was a joke.. Kevin tossing Willie softbal questions.
I’ve said it a million times, this team will never reach its potential under Willie Randolph. They are always playing with a disadvantage…and sometimes its just too much to overcome.
Should have won in ‘06, should have made the playoffs in ‘07, and now might as well say it, should have made the playoffs in ‘08. Willie is done.
Joe Smith has a track record this year of stranding what, all but 1 inherited baserunner? So in the 7th, with a man on and 1 out, why the heck wouldn’t you bring in Smith there?
Because Smith has to earn his way into big spots, just like David Wright had to earn his way out of the 7th hole in the lineup.
If Willie isn’t sick of Heilman handing games over, why should we be?
Is it true that on the DVD release of Groundhog Day you can the alam waking up Bill Murray every day is a radio call of Heilman serving up a dinger?
…na, na, na, na…Babe…I got you babe…
On a side note, the Marlins were down 6-0 in the ninth and rallied to tie the Reds. The fish play with tenacity. If only the Mets could get some of that.
I think part of that is youth. . . Mets have very little of it except Reyes and Wright - but they have already been promoted to superstar levels - rightly or wrongly.
From the beginning I felt the team needed some youth, like a Gomez or Gotay or . . . . to bring some youthful exuberence to the club house. But no. Omar (and Willie) don’t like youngins.
I know a lot of people feel the Mets hate young players. But as of tonight, for the first time I can remember, the Mets’ entire starting rotation is under 30. Which ought to count for something.
Interesting. . . . Didn’t think about it.
I do find it hard for a pitcher to bring that exuberance though. I do wish they had a younger backup on the bench to make the players laugh, etc in the dugout.
Willie brought Heilman in because Heilman isn’t supposed to suck. That’s why he’s on the team, to do his job. Problem is, he sucks, and should not be on the team. He is malignant to this team.
Also, Alou simply should NOT have had himself ejected for a measly strike. It really shows you how much he was into this game tonight, and it seems the same can be said for most of the team.
If he wasn’t into the game, wouldn’t he have reacted more passively?
No. If he cared about winning a ballgame, he would be more conscious, as opposed to overreacting.
I think the key word is “reacting.” I’ve never heard anyone accuse Alou of not caring…but he is prone to the occasional overreaction (see: Bartman, Steve).
The umps strike zone was the same for both teams. I saw Nats players question the ump throughout, but didn’t act irrationally.
I’m fine with what Alou did, but the call wasn’t unexpected.
i do appreicate that alou is showing some life on an otherwise flat team but man, talk about bad timing!
when does Joe Smith take over the 7th inning role and heilman come in to get one out?
i’ve remained very neutral in my stance towards willie, some of his criticism is ridiculous, but then again, he does deserve some of it. tonight was NOT his fault. heilman blew it, no one else. and as some one mentioned above, smith came into the game when he was warmed up, cant expect him to get off the bullpen bench and get right into the game.
i think its time to take away heilman’s 7th inning duties and relegate him to spot relief here and there
Can’t you expect Willie to have him warming up earlier?
Even if you grant putting Heilman in that spot–which I don’t, as there were runners on–at least warm up someone else simultaneously as a backup for the (inevitable, recently) implosion.
but if you have to warm someone else up everytime you bring heilman in, whats the point?
just bring the other person in to begin with, right?
Of course, that’s why I said I wouldn’t go to him with runners on.
But if Willie stubbornly believes in Heilman in that spot, he at least should know enough to get back up ready.
Legitimate Question: With left-handed batters coming up, why does Willie leave Heilman in the game? I understand Schoenweis was sick, but isn’t Feliciano on this team to get lefties out? Why the hell wouldn’t you bring him in?
Willie can’t play for these guys, but he doesn’t have to consistently make atrocious managerial decisions.
Schoeneweis was sick? Castillo is in limbo…when was the last time this team played with a full 25-man roster? I’ve got August 15, 2004.
Willie said in the postgame that Schoenweis was under the weather and unavailable. But he had no answer for why Feliciano was not brought in. Guess he needed him for the 9th when they were already down 5-3….
willie still doesn’t know feliciano is on the team
willie cant think that far ahead….face it hes just not smart….his post game talks are irrational and defensive…he should have come out and gotten tossed after alou…hes a wimp…hes not a NY kind of guy…why he didnt have to pay his dues in the minor leagues i dont know….
REPLACEMENTS FOR WILLIE
1. BOB BRENLY
2.FRANK ROBINSON
3.FELIPE ALOU
4. KEN OBERKFEL
Oberkfel has been ib the Mets minors forever…has won championships and manager of the year awards…He played under Whitey Herzog who we all know use to first and third us to death…How about some loyalty to Ken…the project is over….Willie must go
Bob Brenly is the worst manager to ever win a world series. Ever. The DBacks should have each got 2 rings apiece for overcoming his countless blunders.
And Robinson? Alou? Any suggestions that don’t involve checking wikipedia to see if they are still alive before posting? How about Whitey Herzog? Earl Weaver?
Have to say I didn’t see a flat team tonight. I saw the worst reliever in the game once again falling on his face in a big spot he was inexplicably called upon in. Other than that I saw 24 guys play crisp defense, get a few timely hits, and do enough to win.
Good lord Robinson and Alou are too old to even find the stadium.
fine
just hire one to be willie’s driver then
I agree on Oberkfell. He’s my top choice at this point.
you don’t start bringing in your situational lefty in the 7th inning in a tied game, once Heilman gave up the lead than maybe you bring him in but he wasn’t warmed up. And for everyone that says they should have had someone warming up with him, thats how you over work your bullpen. Anytime a pitcher warms up for a game its like he pitched that game and it might make him not available tomorrow. People think guys can warm up all day long and if he doesn’t get in the game than he wasn’t used and is fresh for tomorrow. With Pelfrey going today you couldn’t use your entire pen because you might need 4 innings today out of them. Heilman is supposed to get out of that inning, thats his job, its not willie’s fault. And for everyone that wanted Heilman to be the 5th starter this year, now you can see why he’s not. He can’t get thru 1 inning let alone 5!!!
god are the wilpons watching this mess, DO SOMETHING!!!! PLEASE!!!!! omar has done a good job but man, WILLIE HAS TO GO. at least while it is early and we have a chance to stay in the division, otherwise its .500 ball and a quite october for the shea stadium sendoff. sad.
Oh, don’t worry. June will be an interesting month for the Mets. Do you really think the Wilpons will watch this team flounder. Its already on record. Willie has been put on notice.
This is one where the fans won’t mind ownership getting involved — I don’t think the Wilpons have to worry about any Mo Vaughn era backlash here.
If they really want to spice it up, fire Tony Bernazard as well. Omar has it coming.
The Wilpons are busy dreaming up more plans to honor the Dodgers in Citi Field, please don’t wake them.
And the NY (baseball) Giants. Anyone except the Mets and their history.
This team has been one frustrating team to watch and figure out for almost a full calendar year now. We keep waiting for them to snap out of it, to start winning consistently, but facts are facts - they’ve been a .500 team pretty much for so long now. You do start to wonder why we expect them to be better. I mean how long has it been - aren’t they like 71-71 over their last 142 games? Teams usually reach their own level over a reasonable number of games. The Mets seem to be what the record indicates over that time. To insist they should be more than what they’ve shown themselves to be for such a long time now seems to be a denial of reality almost.
73-73 over 146
Really pathetic when you see the amount of money being invested on this “average” team.
Maybe the team as currently built is just an average team.
At least we can look at the Tigers and Yankees and see two teams spending more and playing worse. :D
You almost have to say they are just an average team. How can we not? It’s been nearly 162 games of .500 ball going back to last year. I’m not giving up on the team or this season but at some point you kind of have to say until they show differently, the Mets are simply a .500 team, and yes an average team. 2006 is over, and the first 50 games or so of 2007 is over before the .500 malaise set in. We expect them to go back to those previous winning ways but it’s been nearly a full year now.
exactly, they are what they are, a .500 team. sad but true
Hey thereal…
Our man Kendry Morales was uselessly sent up and down by LAA AGAIN today. Think Heilman has ANY value left?
In a heartbeat do it if they could flip Heilman for Morales/
i would send Heilman and a AA guy just to get Morales. As for Heilman’s value, I don’t know. They need a swing man and he could fit that role.
I for one was hoping during the offseason for Heilman to be traded for Fuentes but everyone on here was jumping on me for that one.
How does Sosa on waivers work in terms of his contract? In theory, could we send LAA Sosa + Heilman and eat Sosa’ contract?
I don’t think we put him on waivers did we? Does DFA mean released?
Either way, I doubt they would want both, maybe Carp and Heilman but that’s steep.
we have 10 days from yesterday to trade, waive or release sosa (and/or figueroa) i believe
guillermo mota: 16ip 20k’s 2.20era
What the Guru Jacket couldn’t get that out of him?
Because these guys are human and it is impossible for some of them to succeed here. That’s not an indictment of booing fans, its just reality that “a change of scenery” is a real thing, esp. for a relief pitcher, as fickle as they are as a breed.
I know. . . He did put up similar numbers when he first arrived in NY after he sucked it up in Cleveland.
last time mets played brewers
darling said brewers told mota to stop throwing change ups (the staple of “the jackets” pitching philosopy) and he has improved
to be fair mota got his first blown save tonite era rose above 3
but he shouldn’t be closing anyway - was only doing it cuz gagne has sucked do bad
but before that he was doing well without the changeup
um, he blew a save tonight in spectacular fashion. but don’t let the facts get in the way of your ridiculous opinion.
Mark Malussis and Jonas Schwartz brought up a good point. Willie was too preoccupied with the day game tomorrow and didn’t focus on winning tonights game. He was probably concerned that Pelfrey wasn’t going to go far tomorrow and wanted to rest Smith and hoped Heilman would go 2 innings. So Heilman got smoked, and Smith had to be used anyway. Just focus on winning tonights game and worry about tomorrow tomorrow.
Isn’t the regular season just a tune-up for the playoffs?
In Willie’s world of self-entitlement, yes it is.
I’m glad I wasn’t home to watch this game on MLB.TV. I don’t like to watch when the other team is batting, especially when any of our relievers are in, except for Wagner.
Fortunately, the Phillies and Braves are treading as much water as the Mets, and hopefully the Marlins will fall back to earth. It’s a long season and stuff happens.
Let’s not give up on these guys with 124 games still to play. I’ve loved the Mets for over 40 years, but it doesn’t always mean I like the results. I’d like to at least see another championship in my lifetime, which probably gets cut shorter and shorter every time Heilman pitches.
At least I have memories of 1969 and 1986. Being that we live in Cubsland, I appreciate what I’ve been able to experience. Lets Go Mets.
” I’d like to at least see another championship in my lifetime, which probably gets cut shorter and shorter every time Heilman pitches.”
That is the line of the week!
Another “BAD” loss. I ripped the season schedule off my wall. Guess when you make millions of dollars, losses don’t hurt as much.
YOU DAMN RIGHT, that’s exactly the problem. Marlins and Rays are hungry for those multi-million dollar contracts, these Mets players already have millions. No hunger, no drive.
lol will you still say that a month from now when the Marlins are below .500?
if you want me too
Sorry I just don’t buy the hunger drive theory. It has much more to do with execution. Marlins are getting a ton of timely hits and get the out needed even though their pitching and defense is struggling. They will come back to earth. The Rockies really wanted it last year but the Sox were more hungry?
I think “hunger” is definitely an element to being a winning team, but obviously not the only thing.
Let’s coin that phrase “Willie Talk”
yes…
willie speak sounds better though
thats what all these mets do now, even d wright… they throw their.. blah blah one game, get em next time crap at the media and the fans, then they go get drunk and do blow with hookers..
LIFE IS NOT FAIR!!!!!
Wright is batting .208 vs. righties.
if you’re suggesting that wright is doing coke you are nuts
I’m suggesting Wright needs to step up.
LOL, we are all just wondering “WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THIS TEAM”
Yup! We care, why not them??
Sadly, I’m wasting my hard earned money ans a vacation day at work to go to the game tomorrow. Am I a sucker or what?
BRING A SIGN THAT SAYS
WE STILL DONT BELIEVE!!!!
Then at least you may get on TV and make us all proud..
Otherwise, yes, you are wasting a day off, and your money, to see someone chew on a mouthpiece while our offense goes hitless against MR. Met and Anika Sorrenstam
OK, so here’s a little story to inspire everyone. My son is 18 months old and a couple months back I put up a David Wright poster in his bedroom. Now, everytime I say “Where’s David Wright??” My son stops what he’s doing and runs across the house and into his bedroom and points at David Wright’s poster.
So, am I bringing up a full-breed Mets fan, or is this poor kid going to be tortured like me for the next 30 years of his life????
Can someone explain to me what Heilman was doing with Flores? Your 0-2 on him and then you decide to get cute? He’s there freaking eight place hitter, not Lance Berkman. It also didn’t take a Rocket Scientist to see that he didn’t have it tonight. I’ve never been more frustrated by a Mets team at this point of the year, this win one, lose one, crap has got to stop. By the way, you ask Mets fans not to boo,but after the way you have played on this homestand against bad teams that you shoud be slaughtering, what do you expect, cheers.
Willie is a steamboat operator, not a rocket scientist
It’s a good thing baseball is a steamboat and not building a rocket.
And according to Willie, “WE” are the problem. Can’t play at home because of the “pressure” we exert on them. ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING! This is turning into a circus. Split against the Nationals! A team that was spanked at home by the Marlins!
Hold on a second there. We haven’t split this series YET!
:(
A split against the Nats at this point would be nice. The Mets are on the verge of maybe losing 3 of 4 to them at home. And with this comment I retire for the nite and to real life.
two words
yadier molina
Still gives me nightmares.
That’s why I’m not sleeping now.
His 4 year old girl scream when he hit that homer haunts my very existence day in and day out.
Heilman really needs to not be used in situations like those, until he proves otherwise. It’s taking Willie too long to figure this out. At this point, both Smith and Sanchez are obviously higher in the pecking order, and frankly, i’d be ready to give Wise a shot at a 7th inning role over Heilman right now. It’s not that he’s a better pitcher, he just doesn’t have the issues Heilman has right now. Willie really needs to limit Heilman’s innings. You can’t have him leading the team (now that Sosa’s gone) in bullpen innings from here on out.
Oh, and BTW, anyone see what Larry Jones is hitting down in ATL? He’s on fire and you know he’s going to kill the Mets…. yet again (just like he did in ‘99… which is why he won the MVP award that year) It just doesn’t get any better for the Mets.
As I’ve been saying, they should have sent Heilman down to the minors with the directive to get stretched out. Be a starter. If he’s successful, great. They have a better trade chip or an additional backup starter. If he’s not successful, no problem. He just goes back to relief.
It’s clear the relief role is not working out this year for him, for whatever reasons. They need to try something different.
Let my people go!!!!
(my people = undervalued, misused ex-starters who are in bullpen purgatory)
And it’s not like they didn’t have alternatives. They could have kept Sosa or Figgy for the bullpen instead. Or called up Muniz who is pitching really well at New Orleans.
Let my people go!!!
Good point. I’m surprised more people don’t suggest making Heilman a starter again. The Mets have already converted Ruddy Lugo and the guy they drafted behind Kunz [Rustisch?]-another top college closer, into starters this year. Why not Heilman? You know any team he goes to will probably give him a shot there, Billy Beane in particular was fond of him as a starter and Texas, Baltimore, and Colorado have made it known they’d give him a shot in the past as well. Give him what he’s always wanted and try to rebuild his value.
It has gotten to the point that I hope Willie is doing this so that Heilman gets DFA’d or traded somewhere.
Sure his value will be low, just get him off the team already.
If they gave him a chance to start they would be down by 6 by first time through the batting order.
Problem is Heilman actually has good stuff. Its scary to think of Heilman going to an NL team and becoming an all-star pitcher. Imagine Heilman on an ATL, PHI, CHI, SD, LA, ARI, STL team. You can pretty much see where i’m going with this.
im imaging it right now, AND I FN LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ve gotta agree with sunset- If Mota can bounce back I think its foolish to think Heilman wouldn’t. Omar has been selling too low lately. If we had traded Milledge a year sooner maybe the Nats throw in John Rausch and Manny Acta and pay part of Churches contract for us. lol. But seriously, no reason to trade so low- he has options and if he put some good starts together in AAA there would be interest from other teams
A little off topic but I find myself wishing Delgado and Castillo both hit the dl and stay there for a while. It seems like the only way the Mets might get over the hump this year. We should challenge Argenis Reyes and 1 of our several good young 1b prospects. Our line up was actually real good in spring training, before the vets stepped in to stink it up. Arizona and Florida score runs with mostly AAA rosters. I know its rushing them but we really need some youthful energy in the line up. A lot of players perform better than expected when rushed, many more fail but its time to change our approach. I actually like Castillo, but I read today he’s been playing in constant pain-that his knees haven’t recovered from surgery yet. He clearly shouldn’t be playing baseball yet if thats true and it sheds a whole new light on his asking for extra days off. Looking back at last year, Gotay hitting .350 for eight weeks was the most exciting part for me. We have so many underachievers we must be due for a younster to step up-Wheres our next Benny Agbayani or Butch Huskey? They don’t even have to back it up- just give us a spark for couple months
The problem i have with heilman is he has the stuff to be a top setupman in this league, but the mindset of a guy thats scared to use it.
Heilman half the time looks afraid out there. I mean this is baseball, sometimes you have to challenge hitters. Say heres my 94 mph fastball, hit it if you can. Instead heilman spends most of his time pitching behind in the count because he’s trying to be way to fine with his pitches. Perfect example was today, how in the hell do you walk willie harris to put another Runner in scoring position. Inexcusable.
Its not a control thing with heilman, its psychological. He needs to trust his stuff more. Like that philly game earlier in the year when he got out of that huge jam with the bases loaded. Its baseball, even the best have their bad days, Heilman needs to be more agressive and learn that if he trusts himself more he’ll have more good than bad.
Are you two (you and Kayemtee) are simply morons. You should be suspended for making that kind of unsubstantiated innuendo. Maybe if you two got unfairly tar and feathered once (hint, hint), you would think twice about making such stupid comments.
I’m calling child welfare.
Careful, may turn into an alcoholic…..
oops…sorry for the double post. I thought my comment didn’t post the first time…didn’t realize you posted twice!
My two year old daughter says “let’s go Mets” everytime she sees baseball (any baseball) on TV. She’s got a mets cheerleader outfit from toys r us and Mets sippy cups. Like you, I’m starting to regret pushing this team on her. At least she says let’s go Giants and Penguins every time she sees footall and hockey. :)
I’m getting pretty close to that point. And to think I bought my dad a season ticket plan this year as a retirement gift. He must hate me now.
your pain makes the mets loses a little easier to take for me.
thanks.
no worries!
i never stopped, honeycakes
I can just picture an old retired guy sitting at Shea muttering and cursing you under his breath as Heilman gives up 3 runs….hiliarious!
LOL, that is exactly what I thought after tonight’s game. No kidding.
then going to your house, sneaking into your bed room, and taking a dump on your rug
it must be lonely being a mets fan who hates every other mets fan. i would love to see you say the hateful crap you post in here in person at shea.
hateful? me? lol.
i’d like to see you spew the venom that you target at the players and management to their face.
grow up.
Bergmann was actually a tough pitcher last year. I don’t know what’s happened to him since. He’ll probably come around against us like Arroyo did. It’s Pelfrey I’m worried about. Even when he pitches decent the team seems flat behind him.
This might sound a little outrageous but i think if bobby cox were ever available i think the mets should pick him up in a second, players play for cox because they want to win for him unlike willie randolph who to me is a BUMB. PLayers wil want to play for Bobby Cox if he were to come here he gets respect because he deserves respect
Dude, it did come up last year. Eddic friggin Coleman talked about it. I also said “Who knows?” and if so it would be “sad,” and “tragic.”
That’s hardly saying I think itis true or that I am not acknowledging it was just a rumor. Still, if Eddie C. talks about it on 50,000 watt WFAN, it’s fine. A couple od regular guys on Metsblog. It’s all “the horror, the horror.”
Sheesh.
PS: I wouldn’t call somebody a moron in a sentence written thusly, “Are you two (you and Kayemtee) are simply morons.” Say what?