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The Game:
The Mets (20-17) continue their four-game series versus the Nationals (16-24) tonight at Shea Stadium, starting at 7:10.
The Lineup:
- SS Jose Reyes
- RF Ryan Church
- 3B David Wright
- CF Carlos Beltran
- LF Moises Alou
- 1B Carlos Delgado
- C Brian Schneider
- 2B Damion Easley
- P Claudio Vargas
The Pitchers:
RHP Claudio Vargas (0-0, — ERA) makes his Mets debut. In his last start for Triple-A New Orleans on May 8 versus Fresno, Vargas earned a win throwing seven scoreless innings allowing four runs while striking out six. He was 1-1 with a 3.94 ERA in three starts for Triple-A New Orleans. In 29 games, 23 starts for the Brewers in 2007 he was 11-6 with a 5.09 ERA. He is 0-0 with a 3.75 ERA in two career starts versus the Nationals.
RHP Tim Redding (4-3, 3.83 ERA) starts for the Nationals. Redding took the loss in his last start on May 9 versus the Marlins allowing six runs, five earned, on four hits and four walks while striking out three over 5.1 IP. Opponents are batting .361 (13-for-36) when facing Redding the third time through the lineup. He is 1-1 with a 4.22 ERA in seven career games, six starts, versus the Mets.
The Notes:
Felipe Lopez is 4-for-8 with 3 HR and 4 RBI in his career versus Vargas.
The Mets are averaging 6.7 runs per game over their last seven contests.
Moises Alou is batting .416 (12-for-30) with 4 RBI during his current seven-game hitting streak.
Jose Reyes is 4-for-11 with a triple and 2 RBI in his career versus Redding.
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…enjoy, and as always, Let’s Go Mets…
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I was hoping to see Castro tonight and Schneider tomorrow. I know Pelfrey pitched a lot better with castro last time but I think tomorrow is a key start for his confidence for the remainder of the year.
I’m not a Willie basher but I don’t like this decision. It is more than one game. It is about getting Pelfrey back on track.
Remember though, Vargas pitched to Schneider for 3 years in Montreal/Washington. Vargas said in his interview yesterday the chance to work with Schneider was one of the reasons he signed with the Mets this spring. So might as well make him as comfortable as possible.
As for Pelfrey, he looked good with Castro (who is better defensively than Casanova anyway), so I think Big Pelf will be fine.
I don’t disagree with wanting to have Schneider catch Pelfrey but he has to rest either today or tomorrow and the other side of the coin is that there is a lefty pitching tomorrow. schneider is hot right now and hitting 100 points higher against righties that lefties and castro hits lefties better tha righties. Plus Pelf pitched great last time out wit Castro behind the plate. So there is no reason to make a “Willie is wrong” judgement on this case
Well, Pelfrey pitched better last time out. Definitely not as good as early int he year with Schneider.
I’m definitely not trying to Willie bash. I actually think he gets WAY too much blame. I just look at pelfrey and think he can be the key to this team this year. I just think having another good start tomorrow is a lot bigger than one game in the standings and lefty vs lefty match ups.
Who knows. maybe Schneider gets the game winning hit and Castro hits a 3 run HR tomorrow. When I was looking at the schedule over the weekend and saw the day game after a night game, I was hoping Schneider would get the day game for this reason.
Either way, Let’s hope they can get these two games and finish the homestand at 5-2.
“Vargas earned a win throwing seven scoreless innings allowing four runs while striking out six. ”
Huh????? Scoreless… and four runs?
Probably four hits.
Lets go Mets! Need a W for Vargas and his first of hopefully many Mets starts!
Have there been any comments about the new red font? I prefer the old color. Am I alone on this?
I am missing something because I don’t see a red font.
What red font?
I started seeing the red links a few days ago. I’m using Safari.
Yeah, it’s safari for me.
Yeah only on safari. Well I only use it on the iPhone. Safari blows anyway, Download firefox peeps or at least Camino (mac centric version of mozilla).
The red font is only on the hyper-links for me though, not anything else.
All names are in red for me? This is only on my computer?
Safari? If so see above.
The one thing I wish Willie did do (and I’m not a basher) is that if he knows guys like Alou, Castillo (when he is in), etc can’t play a day game after a night game, that he gives one of them off during the night game and the other off during the day game. This way the team isn’t short handed all at once.
Makes sense in my head. . . .
Vargas has decent stuff but he is slow to the plate.
Off topic, I’m getting sick of watching this Jeter commercial.
–We’re all sick of Derek.
–Vargas is Trachselesque in his pace.
I’ll take that commercial over the one with the fat woman with the severed fingers
True.
Is it just me or does Vargas look very much like Oliver Perez?? Physically that is.
ah you beat me to it. I was thinking the exact same thing. When I first turned the game on I thought it was Ollie pitching, until I saw he was a righty.
was that the quickest half inning i’ve ever seen?
I love it when Gary Cohen blasts the opposing team.
F-Mart hurt his ankle stealing 2nd in B-ham tonight ? dont like the sound of that. lets hope for the best
Anyone see Vargas’ dance after the top of the 1st, mocking the Nats?
Good stuff
Props to Delglovo. NIce play.
Vargas is already better than Pelfrey.
LOL. He was 11-6 last year.
See? ha.
That was way too much underwear talk for one half-inning.
Zimmerman is 4 for 42 with RISP. If he played in NY, fans would be burning him in effigy in the parking lot.
I’m liking this Vargas guy.. So far so good..
drjones nice debate from earlier. I agree with you about Vargas.
hells yea,, I totally agree. You made some really good points and I had to scramble a few times. It was tough cause I was really debating 3 different people at the same time. Just glad I made it out of there alive. Was much fun
Anyone know the name of Schneider’s song for when he comes to bat? (Not “Sweetest Girl,” the other one)
‘Hold On’ by Phil Collins, I think. Not the song I’d pick, but hey…
cyclone by baby bash ft. t-pain
thanks man
Dukes got thrown out of a minor league game while rehabbing?? That’s fantastic. Too bad the guy the Nats hired to keep him in line off the field can’t come up to bat with him.
I can’t wait to see what trouble Dukes and Milledge get into together in the near future. . . Maybe none, but where there is smoke. . . . .
Dukes threatened the life of his wife and daughter and has been in trouble with the law on mutliple occasions, comparing him to Milledge is ridiculous.
Kazmir signed a 3-year, $28.5 million extension with the Rays.
Apparently they’ve looked past his clubhouse music tastes
“Kazmir gets the use of a luxury suite for five home games each year, and he would receive am $800,000 the first time he’s traded.”
I’m just guessing he won’t need the first part of that sentence, but the second part will certainly pop up in a couple years.
thoughts so far…
dukes/pena are f’n HUGE –look more like LBs for the skins then OF for the nats
I liked the interview w carton/boomer–theyre hilarious in the AM drive everyday—would like to maybe see them do some mets work over the course of they ear to give the booth a break
Vargas– so far so good, thru 4 innings–the guy does have some talent
Delgados play on the bunt was awesome, he looked good
Ok, I think it’s time to hit this guy now
Hey Redding has a no-hitter going.
There, I said it.
He’s already pitched a 1-hitter against the Phillies (and Cole Hamels) to beat them 1-0.
oh man you mean we wont be able to sign kazmir to a free agent deal and erase the miserable deal from the pre Omar days lol
wish his arm would stay together
At least he won’t be signing with the Phillies, Braves or Yankees. At least not yet. Talk about pouring salt in the wound.
Don’t try to steal, let’s try to have a big inni…..good start
Which is why he’s not a good 2-hole hitter. I’d rather take a few pitches and see if Reyes can steal second to get himself in scoring position for me so I can drive him in. Church just doesnt do that.
Agreed.
Castillo IS the better 2-hole hitter. Alas, with Luis struggling (and limping for that matter) and Church on fire, Willie is doing the right thing by putting Ryan behind Jose…
Well he has no choice thats true and it has been working so I dont really have a problem with it. I just wish Hojo would approach Church and tell him it might be in his best interests to take a few to let Jose steal a base.
I would argue against that, actually.
Once Luis comes back, Ryan is reverted back to being a 5th/6th-hole slugger. His approach should be retained seeing as how his slugging approach proves optimal down in that particular part of the batting order.
It really doesnt take much to change approaches and just the curse of having to move around in the order. Thing is he’s been getting up with Jose on and swinging at the first or second pitch almost all the time lately and those pitches really weren’t pitches in his wheelhouse that he can drive. He’s popping them up way too many times. I mean he can wait, he’s going to see more than one fastball with Jose on first.
I’m surprised to see this team is fourth in runs per game.
Let’s hope this team (specifically, the Carloses) start slugging some dingers.
I knew that was going to be caught
IN the 0.5 seconds it took to get to Zim’s glove, when did you know?
When I saw the trajectory of the ball off of Beltran’s bat going right toward Zimmerman, before they switched from the centerfield cam.
you must be one of the X-men.
There’s some bad luck.
Claudio is looking good.
Hopefully, he actualizes his stuff and becomes our fifth starter. I’m afraid of another rotating 5th-spot a-la Lima/Park/J.Vargas/D.Williams…
Send Pelfrey down to AAA to work on a curve ball, or something, when Pedro comes back. Keep Vargas as number 5. Omar, Omar, Omar.
Funny. Same thing was said after Figgy’s first start.
Figgy looks like a Little Leaguer standing on that mound. At least Vargas throws 90-92 and looks like he has some poise up there. In any event, it’s apparent that Figueroa is not the answer. We don’t know that Vargas isn’t.
: P
Well I’m just not jumping on the Vargas bandwagon yet because of what happened with Figgy. But you can reserve a seat on it for me. :)
that was a nice prance by alou
Vargas has a confidence that Pelfrey hasn’t shown yet. if Vargas continues to pitch like this with Pedro looming, Pelfrey might be the odd man out.
Certainly possible, but that might be jumping the gun a bit….don’t forget the Nats are one of the worst-hitting teams in the league.
they were just talking about Redding wearing number 17 and it got me thinking
We have only retired Seaver’s number. Do any of you think that Keith’s number should be retired?
I think we all do.
Keith, are you reading this?
I should of rephrase the question.. Do you guys think the Mets will ever retire his number.. If so wouldn’t it be appropriate to do it at Shea and not at city field.
I thought Alou was gonna pull a Delmon Young just now.
Nice to see Willie go out and defend Alou…..
there was no time dummy, no use getting tossed for no reason
and what was needed defended?
He should have done more than just stand at the top of the dugout and watch. Go talk to the ump and tell him you’re pissed he was ejected quickly. Worst case scenario is he gets ejected (which is probably a good thing since he’s useless).
Did you ever play baseball? There are several things you can do that gets you tossed out and that was one of them. There was nothing to argue. Everyone on that field knows you do that its automatic. So, there was nothing to argue. Find something else to complain about with Willie.
I guess he could have in the millisecond it took for Alou to get tossed.
You guys are missing the point. It doesn’t matter if Alou was ejected in a second. It matters that Willie just let it happen. You think Bobby Cox would have just watched that and done nothing? No. The players need to know Willie has their back. He clearly doesn’t.
Bobby Cox wouldnt have done a thing. You dont seem to get the point. Every player on that bench knows you cant do what Alou did. There was nothing to defend.
“You think Bobby Cox would have just watched that and done nothing?”
No way. He would have gotten pissed and smacked his wife.
LOL
low AND outside…
is delagado getting booed or am I hearing things?
Schneid gets the Mets off the Schnied!
Thats what we’d be dealing with on a daily basis if John Sterling worked for FAN.
Ouch, please don’t compare me to that hack.
haha No offense intended. Yours was much more punny than jorgey juiced one or any of his others.
Schneider’s song is, “Goodbye Charlie”!!!
And is Cohen especially playful tonight? He is making me laugh more than Keith
Gary’s stoked for his return to the Upper Deck tomorrow.
I would be too, I live in VT now and I haven’t been up there since I was a kid. I am only 20 still but it feels so long ago.
I haven’t been up thers since I was a kid, either.
Frankly, I’ll take the field boxes anyday. I don’t miss the UD.
I plan on making the drive down for a couple more games at Shea in July, but I will definitely not be in the upper deck. The reason you go there as a kid is for the novelty of being that high up, it’s Shea, it’s like a skyscraper.
seems to be a light night w comments tonight
hmmmm…
Nice, I’m liking the double plays
Delglovo with the nice scoop on the double play.
Delglovo for Delgoldo glovo.
just got in and all i see is “endy chavez in left.” please tell me alou is not hurt.
Ha. No worries – tossed for arguing a called third strike.
He got ejected. . .
ejected.
Crap!
We need to win this game. What are the Phillies doing?
losing 0-8
getting prison raped
That Zimmerman HR was crushed.
Just a bit.
Haven’t seen a ball leave left like that since Piazza.
Yeah I think he got a decent piece of that one.
6 IP 5K 3H 1ER from guy just called up?
I’ll sign for that
Alou’s got to learn to chill, that was the same ape-sh&t reaction that he had after the Bartman incident. Hopefully, it doesn’t come back to burn the Mets this game.
Vargas gives us 6 innings of 1 run ball, it’s a huge win. . . Anything above that is god like for a 4th or 5th starter.
He’s at 89 pitches, so he might get a shot at inning 7 depending on how good of a shape he is in.
Yeah, really couldn’t have asked for a much better start than this from Vargas tonight. I think he can go one more and hopefully we will score some runs.
Way to come back by Vargas after the mammoth HR by Z-man.
wow! all the jose haters need to calm down, after seeing that graphic they just showed on SNY
jose has been legit since ‘05
All that graphic proved was that when Reyes plays well the Mets play well, I don’t think any Reyes hater would disagree with that.
3rd in games
2nd in runs
2nd in hits
pretty impressive
reyes is a great player.
it’s too bad that too many expect him to walk on water.
DW going long . . . now!
See?
Man. At least Reyes is going deep into counts tonight which is a very good sign.
can someone at least run up the pitch count?? we need to get Redding out of the game!
mission not accomplished!
I have a feeling we’re not going to like seeing a lot of Redding over the next couple years.
I see Tom Glavine is working his way into blowing his 8-0 lead. Wow, thank GOD the Mets got rid of that guy
hahaha…i would love to see them bring it back to 8-8 and then eventually lose 10-8. glavine having 0 wins on may 14 = priceless.
watch him get his first win against the Mets
i would be “devastated”
Immediate boo’s for Heilman
Ugh…he’s the one guy that seems to listen to them, too.
Maybe they should wait to boo him until he actually does something that day.
Talk about demoralizing.
i cringe when the pen door opens and i see heilmans puss face emerge
heilman’s got pena, flores, redding. i’m pretty sure i can get them out, at least wily mo and the pitcher!
I’m fine with this move as long as Willie takes him out if a lefty comes in
Any yet seen Manny’s play today. He got a fly ball, high fived a fan, and then doubled up Huff at first base ,all in one play.
Hopefully not in that order. :D
Or was it in that order? If so Huff must not have been hustling back.
I meant that he caught a fly ball near the wall, high fived a fan, and threw it in time to first base.
It was in that order, and it was awesome. The fact that he still managed to double the runner at first up was all the more hilarious.
I love Manny so much. I wish we could have gotten him a few years ago.
ok, now no wild pitches
damnit Heilman, can’t you EVER come through
Well, if this team stays true to it’s form, then:
This game is over.
and now Alou’s out of the game, GREAT!
oh, Aaron…
every time i get close to giving omar some credit we get burned by jesus flores.
also: aaron, WTF?
time to go senior heilman
RELEASE HEILMAN. HE SUCKS. MY GRANDMA CAN PITCH BETTER THEN HIM
I can’t take Heilman anymore. That’s not based on just this game. I simply can’t take him anymore. Please get him off this team, whether by trade, injury or assignment. I don’t care just get rid of him.
Willie is an abortion, I truly can’t even look at him anymore
you’re only as good as your team plays.
Willie doesnt pitch.
no, but he left Heilman in there
willie picks the pitchers, and this one sucks.
It is his job to get his guys to perform and to execute, expecially on a “fattening up” homestand against these AAA and1/2 teams like the Reds and Nats.
get the fn hook ready, hes done, i think we need to relegate him to mop up duty seems to be only thing he is good for, BURY HIM WILLIE
PUT HIM IN A BODY BAG!!!
TAKE HIM OUT!
yet hes pitching to back to back lefties, hmmm
I think it’s time Joe Smith gets the 7th inning.
f%CK you Mets, I hate this team
great shoot by r church
for the love of god please take heilman out of the game
OMFG HEILMAN GET A F-ING BATTER UP. RELEASE HEILMAN.
FIRE WILLIE….PLEASE IS ANYONE UP THERE??? FIRE THIS PIECE OF SH%T MANAGER!!!!!!!
Someone tell Keith that Dukes was running because there were 2 out and a full count
Someone want to tell MarcRabbi that there was no one on first.
if heilman has option, he needs to go down and be stretched out to start
he is DEAD as a reliever
you know what, if we can’t trade him… I’m fine with that.
+1
Heilman is such a bum. It’s in his head now.
ok Heilman, give up the homer now
Ok. I have not made one, single anti-Willie comment all season long… but its completely F-ing ridiculous that Heilman continually getsthe call in close games. I think Willie takes too much flak at times and you do have to show your guys you trust them… but a guy can only blow so many games till its time to either send him down or stop putting him in close F-in games.
Good night.
Just cut ties with Heilman now. It’s that bad. He has to go away.
I BLAME RANDOLPH HERE!!!!
STOP BRINGING HEILMAN IN IN TIE GAMES…
WHY COULDNT VARGAS STAY IN… OR WHY COULDNT SMITH COME IN??????
STOP BRINGING THIS PIECE OF CRAP IN CLOSE GAMES..
HE IS JUST AWFUL RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’d rather the mets have kept Sosa then rely on have Aaron Heilman lose these games for us. The mets PROCEDE to throw him out there when he cant get anyone out.
My hair is going to fall out of my head soon after watching the mets… thank goodness Giuseppe Franco wouldn’t put his name on the line for something that doesnt work.
this isnt willie’s fault, this is all on heilman
maybe well go the route of other guys who imploded this week and DFA this chump
IT IS HIS FAULT FOR RUNNING HIM OUT THERE WITH ONE ON AND ONE OUT..
NO REASON TO TAKE OUT VARGAS
NO REASON TO NOT BRING IN SMITH IN THE 7TH
RANDOLPH IS A COMPLETE MORON..
THERES TWO MORE FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, this IS on Willie. No way should Heilman see the light of day in a close game. And once he walked 2 guys, he should have been yanked. Willie is so stubborn and was wrong to use Heilman in a tight spot.
I dont believe you guys. I know Willie has the last word, but Peterson is the one telling him he can use him. The guy is just putting his trust in a guy the Wilpons hired. Maybe somebody better tell Peterson to give up on Heilman.
heilman is the only consistent thing going on this team, he consistently gives up runs every time he pitches!
Guys calm down….it’s not over yet…have some faith in your team. If they don’t come back and win, then complain!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS COMMENT
I have a lot of faith in this team, but not so much in Heilman. He can have 2 outs and be 0-2 on the third guy, and my stomach still churns. He just can’t seem to do anything right in my eyes.
I’m not even angry with Heilman, it’s Willie, once a lefty came in, he should’ve gone right to Schoe or Feliciano.
This goes beyond Heilman. This is a 500 team at best. The only thing they are consistent at is being inconsistent. Errors, walks, untimely hitting, nonchalant play, over-taxed bullpen, lack of clutch hitting, getting dominated by mediocre pitching, poor managing and coaching, lack of fundamentals, lack of focus, revolving door pitching staff etc. etc. etc. This season was over before is started. No playoffs, third or fourth place.
*sigh*
I was REALLY hoping for a 5-2 homestand. Considering this team’s ineptitude at coming back late in games this looks like a 4-3 stretch AT BEST. Maybe even 3-4 if Pelfrey flops tomorrow.
Horrible, just horrible…
No worries, those Reds and Nats are first class baseball teams. What’s that? Really?
Oh, nevermind.
Tick-tock, Mr. Randolph. Tick-tock
Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Bring back Sosa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!just kidding
i blame both willie and heiman. its willies fault because he know heilman is strugging and at this time heilman gave up a 2 run single. AND HEILMAN SUCKS
he might be taken off the field by the crowd at this rate
Well at least we know who the new long man is. Heilman can only be trusted in blow out games. This is ridiculous.
So at best they split the series against this piece of sh*& team. Yeah, the Mets are going places….
hey imagine that, the mets bullpen blew yet ANOTHER game! unreal. i’d love to stay positive and hope that they can come back in the next 3 innings, but based on previous performances, it probably won’t happen.
This is on Willie
100%
Can we booo Heilman? Is that ok Mets fans?
and thats the ball game
The ball game was over when it was 2-1.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
well your right its not over yet, i do have faith but willie has to open his eyes and realize that you just cant put heilman in when the game is tight, he always blows it. and trying to have him pitch out of his problems is only making him worse, put him in when were blowing a team out or at least we have a sizeable lead then forget him in the close games!
you have faith in willie opening his eyes?
worked out well last year
i had faith when it was a 1 run lead, now my faith is back to where it was last year, in the can!
RANDOLPH YOU ARE A FN MORON
I HOPE YOU CHOKE ON A CHICKEN BONE
YOU ARE A COMPLETE MORON
WHY DO YOU GO TO HEILMAN?????????
TAKE A POLL ON METSBLOG NEXT TIME YOU TRY TO MAKE A PITCHING CHANGE
YOU ARE A MOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOONNNNNNN
you’re sick in the head.
just saying.
he’s crazy, but at least his analysis is spot on
Who was happy with a 4-3 homestand vs. the worst teams in baseball?
4-3? Remember, Pelfrey is going tomorrow. A win is far from guaranteed.
4-3 IF we win tomorrow. With the way this team has played up till now, leaving Shea with that would be fortuitous.
As I recall, Metsblog readers, in a rare case of near unanimity, voted in a Metsblog poll that 5-2 was the minumum acceptable result in this 7 game homestand against the dregs of the NL.
Is Heilman the 2008 version of G Mota or what?
Man Heilman is bad.
No hitting. Heilman’s had his problems and may need a change (starting? another team? or both). But this team had problems scoring runs – as has been pointed out by this site and others.
Either Beltran, Delgado, Wright, Reyes and Alou need to turn on the engines (hopefully sooner than later) or Omar has to get to work.
I was going to mention this too. We had a guy making a spot start against the Nats, the offense should know that 99% of the time in this kind of game that is going to take more than 1 run to win.
Now would be an opportune time for Heilman to punch a watercooler or wall with his pitching hand as hard as he possibly can and save Mets fans from him for the rest of the year.
im sick to my stomach
Don’t forget this is a last place team we are facing and before everyone starts celebrating Claudio Vargas, just remember the lineup he pitched to was right handed dominated and not all that impressive. He will get lit up by teams like the Phillies and Braves.
5-1. Down by more than 3, late innings, looks like it’s time for the Mets to lay down and go to sleep. I’ve seen this movie before, time to change the channel…
Heilman comes in and promptly gives up 4 runs. Willie is at fault here because Heilman is struggling while Joe Smith is pitching very well. Going with Heilman was a terrible choice.
True, lets bury Smith with an over abundance of work. How about asking Peterson why he keeps recommending Heilman to Willie.
So you know for a fact that every pitching change stems from a Peterson recommendation? Nice job assuming that’s how it works. The manager makes the final call on all decisions, thus the criticism of Willie. Deal with it.
and this is why, when you’re batting in the ninth inning of a Game 7, you swing the fuc^&ing bat, because you never know when you’ll get there again
wow shut up it was a filthy curve get over it
You mean you don’t think they’ll get there this year? :)
Disgusting. Seven home games against the fricking Reds and Nats and they’ll be fortunate at this point to come away 4-3.
all the booing of your own players has to stop!!!!
Oh, grow up.
shut up
I can’t take this anymore, when will Willie get it in his freakin’ head, Heilman has no business pitching the 7th or later, he sucks, send him to New Orleans.
That dude is cursed!!! He should go back to the way he threw a few years ago. If you don’t remember they changed his arm angle windup. Maybe he can work on that in the minors.
Tell me right now that Mets fans are wrong for booing Aaron Heilman. Screw that piece of [Chipper]. He just Mota’d us right out of this game.
And look at that, Joe Smith comes in, 3 pitches. inning over.
I hope Claudio Vargas kicks Aaron Heilman’s @$$
remember mets fans
heilman cost us a championship in 2006
Joe Smith to Heilman: I hope you were taking notes.
this is just sad, and vargas pitched a good game too. way to go heilman!
Heilman’s been pretty damn effective the last couple years. Now, he looks like he’s lost movement off his fast ball and his change-up looks sucky. Doesn’t Rick Peterson, who got credit when Heilman was going good, get any of the blame?
He should be getting all of it, including for telling Willie to keep using him.
If he told Willie to jump off a bridge or resign would he do that too? Your theory is simply off-base.
no
Unfortunately for Willie there are no do-overs. Great managing bonehead
Smith comes in and strikes out Zimmerman on 3 pitches. Why wasn’t he brought in instead of Heilman. It should be Smith-Sanchez-Wagner. End of story.
seriously, everyone seems to get it except for the one person calling the shots, COMMON WILLIE OPEN YOUR FING EYES!
If the Mets lose tonight and tmrw…wowww… as a poster stated above… tick tock willow… tick tock…
2005
It’s like a combo of 2005, 2002, and 2001
When was Heilman ever “really” good? In meaningless games with nothing on the line? The only meaningful spot I remember him in was Yadier sending him deep.
He was very good last year… and no, not just in meaningless games if you were watching.
However, he has absolutely totally 100% sucked this year.
Give me a meaningful spot? He’s been terrible for 88% of his Mets career.
you dont boo your own f in players !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! plain and simple
Grow up, man.
1.) Been a Mets fan long? Were the “Sisk Sucks” days before your time?
2.) The Mets have a better home than roadrecord, so much for the booing hurting the team theory.
3.) Did you simply ignore Matt’s great interview with Darryl about “boogate”? When Darryl laughed off the “controversy,” said it had always been like that at Shea, and that Mets fans are the greatest because they are passionate. Thathe missed the passionate fanbase when he was in LA?
you are a moron
SHUT YOUR STINKING FINGERS!!!!! WHEN HEILMAN AND WILLIE TAG TEAM TO DESTROY A GAME YOU BOO. PLAIN AND SIMPLE AND IF YOU CAN”T TAKE IT THEN YOU CLAP FOR HEILMAN.
does anyone kno how long heilman is signed for, is this his last year?
too long, but right now all I care about is getting rid of the downs syndrome adult who is managing this team
…nice, make fun of a disease.
Seriously, that is so wrong. Downs Syndrome is a serious affliction.
And, it’s highly insulting and demeaning to those who suffer with it and their loved ones.
After all, Willie is much dumber than anyone with Downs.
It’s not a sprint, it’s a marathon…but do I have to watch the same race over and over and over….
God Hates the Mets
dont boo your players.com
Bugger off, troll.
He’s not the troll, you are gripper.
Take a look at his comments tonight. From a guy I have rarely if ever seen around here. The guy claims to be a NY sports fan and whines about never booing your own players? Puh-lease.
Luckily Sosa was DFA’d, otherwise Willie would be trotting him out in 2 outs.
HEILMAN MUST GO!!!
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY……..
HEILMAN MUST GO!!
I’m putting down the koolaid. Fire Willie. Free Wally Backman!
FIRE ISIAH!!!!!!!!!
fire d’antoni
Seriously, Willie is the MLBs Isiah Thomas
willie does sucks donkey @ock, but he’s no isiah!
you wanna bitch how about the weak offence tonight
Offense is horrible tonight. “Boooooo, offense!”
PS: Nice spelling, punctuation and capitalization.
Offense was horrible but that doesn’t excuse Heilman. And I usually give Willie the benefit of the doubt but he can’t pull a Pat Riley/Jon Starks here and assume Heilman will pitch his way out of it. In a close game, he should be home not on the mound.
With the way Heilman has been throwing there is no friggin reason that he should of had 2…….2…………..2………….. guys up in that pen. What on gods earth was he thinking? So even if Heilman had nothing he would of had a guy warmed up and ready.. That is a terrible managerial decision..
Meant to say
With the way Heilman has been throwing there is no friggin reason that he shouldn’t of had 2…….2…………..2………….. guys up in that pen. What on gods earth was he thinking? So even if Heilman had nothing he would of had a guy warmed up and ready.. That is a terrible managerial decision..
Some baseball purist needs to explain to me the fairness in Vargas getting the loss here (likely) and not Heilman.
Just gross.
the leading run was his base runner. i assume you knew that, but just in case.
Yup, but Backinbusiness has a point. Just further evidence of how meaningless the the W-L stat can be for pitchers.
Yeah, I get it, but it just makes no sense. “Wins” and “losses” are such stupid stats.
Heilman is horrible…but Redding is no Koufax and the Mets made him look like that tonight.
Is it me or does it seem like Willie gives up on this team?
With Heilman falling apart out there, with runners on second and third with the score 3-1, still a close game, he just leave heilman out there to give up 2 runs. Why is he afraid to put Smith in? He almost seems like he just doesn’t care…
And he really needs to learn to stop giving second chances. Once heilman can prove hes more consistent, by pitching in blowouts, then…maybe…just maybe…we can trust him again. But what does willie think, heilman will magically pitch better today?
He really does need to be fired. He’s an embarrassment
i love that willie got the crap booed out of him walking back to the dugout..
he has joe torre scott proctor syndrome
HE LEAVES PITCHERS OUT THERE TO DIE…. IT ONLY HURTS US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i wish it were second chances… what has it been, 7 or 8 for heilman this year alone
Willie is notoriously stubborn. It’s the same old story…
Willie’s frame of mind: “I really need Aaron to get going. Our bullpen is overworked as it is. We need the Aaron-Duaner-Billy trio of 2006. It’s only May, better Aaron work out his kinks now rather than later…”
What Willie does NOT realize is games count just as much in May as they do in September. You’re right, he tossed the game for the sake of getting Aaron ‘going.’ Willie’s digging his own grave as far as I’m concerned.
Yeah, it is ridiculous that he was left in. Ok, whatever, he gives up a run see if he can get out of it. But after the second run he should have been pulled no question, I think Willie should be fired on that reason alone. (among others, obviously)
HE AND PEDERSON HAVE THE COMBINED BRAIN POWER OF MY LEFT NUT
SEND WILLIE TO THE MINORS!!!!!
Does your left gonad have the brain power to correctly spell the name of our long serving pitching coach?
lol, maybe you nuts should coach the Mets
I just hope in all the papers tomorrow the writers put the blame on Willie and not Heilman
willie shouldnt have left him out there, but the blame should go to the guy serving them up.
Ditto “Chan-Ho Paking Lot” Willie gets the blame on this one!
Heilman makes me reach for the aspirin, and Willie left him out there too long, but unless I missed it, nobody has addressed this:
You’re not going to win too many games when you only score two runs. The Mets are still threatening and hopefully will score some more runs, but if they don’t, it’s a team loss.
No doubt. But at some point, the blame has to fall on the manager, whose job it is to get his guys playing up to their potential and to play well on homestands like these, when they ought to be feasting on the second division teams like the lowly Nats and Reds. The guy’s whole reputation is that his motivational skills overcome his poor in-game tactical decsions. Not so sure that reputation is being earned.
Hey, as far as I’m concerned Willie can go manage a Duane Reade store, and Heilman can go with him to stock shelves. I’m just pointing out that this team is very inconsistent. Seems like they either score 12 runs or 2 runs. I know it’s not that drastic of a difference, but it feels that way.
And yeah, sometimes I think the only guy Willie motivates is Willie. I don’t know if anyone else is even listening. I’m not there, so it’s just my opinion. But I listened to his spot with Ed Coleman during the pre-game, and Coleman brought up Church’s success.
How did Willie respond to Coleman’s bringing up Church being hotter than hell? By talking about himself for the next three minutes. He knows this, he knows that. The only thing I missed was the part where he actually agreed with the freaking point that Church is on fire. But that’s only because he never addressed it. Willie was too busy talking about Willie.
And I’ve laid off of the guy for a little while now. So I guess my point is, when I said it’s a team loss, it’s not meant to let him off the hook.
Well said. And, you are quite right that there is plenty of blame to go around.
Hey, it could be that this group just isn’t as talented as we think, or that they lack the requisite mental make-up (or both). Only way to find that out is to dunp “Brains” Randolph and see what happens in the post-”Brains” Randolph era. If they continue to be mediocre at best, then it’s time to re-evaluate Omar and start over.
AMS is exactly right.
Come on Mets, 3 runs off these scrub relievers, is that impossible?
WHY WASN’T ANOTHER GUY WARMING UP IN THAT PEN!!!!! WHY WILLIE WHY.. WHAT ARE YOU THINKING
Art Howe would of figured this out by now……………….
even thinking as objectively as possible, there is no way HEILMAN can remain with the mets after this latest display. and yes it is fair to repeat the fact the he gave up the season in 2006.
I can’t believe he didn’t have someone warmed up and ready in case Heilman couldn’t get the job done. I really just don’t get this guy. He falls asleep as a manager.
3-3 on this homestand against the f’ing Reds and Nats. And yet, I’m not in the least bit surprised.
What I find funny is that there was hardly any posts while the game was tied and things were going well. Then all of a sudden something bad happens and everybody comes out of the woodwork.
because i am so angry at this latest display of pitching ineptitude and managerial incompentency that it’s either this or i literally start destroying my apartment
I was wondering where everybody was…semmed like it was only myself and like 5 other guys commenting and then, bam!
Still….is human nature. People want to vent.
As good an explanation as anything else and of course the more likely one.
Well I won’t speak for anyone else, but I couldn’t stop working to post on here during a game where there wasn’t a whole hell of a lot going on. I love pitchers duels, which was what we basically had, but there’s wasn’t much for me to say about it. I’ll say Vargas did a nice job tonight, but that’s all I would have said an hour ago too.
HEY MATT WHERES THE “WAS WILLIE RANDOLPH RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS LOSS” POLL? I BET IT WON’T BE 50/50 THIS TIME, CHAMP.
haha, at least wait for the end of the game champ.
Wille will not have an answer for why Joe Smith was not the first choice out of the pen in a close game. Heilman has shown that he can’t handle that spot. Why bring him in?
Can you imagine if Smith had sent down and not Sosa, per the original plan? It would be 8-2 at least.
once again joe smith shows how its done!
Everything is great, this team is fine, no reason to be concerned… I have no idea why people are so upset with this team it’s not like they are losing to a last place team… The more SNY content on this site the more we will apologize for this 100 million dollar plus bag of balls.
Hate to say it but the Mets should look to the Phillies for inspiration. They were down 8-0, it’s now 8-5. Utley, Werth, Rollins, Dobbs = grit and never say die…
this is painful enough, dont pour salt in the wound!
Thank you Joe Smith. SOMEONE knows how to keep his team in the game. Take notes, Aaron. Take notes.
I guess we won’t see any Willie Confidence Polls any time soon. Gotta win 2 or 3 games in a row first.
lolz i would LOVE to see one tomorrow
because hes his guy
smith will be sent down tomorrow for getting too many outs
i really think this all falls on willie and not rick peterson, we dont see what goes on behind the scenes. i bet peterson is saying the same crap we are but because willie is so fing stubborn (which he is know for being) he wont listen and we keep losing!
thats why sanchez has been up throwin for 20 mins right?
You’d like to give them rest, doesn’t mean they’ll get rest.
And that is the right answer.
Not a very good argument when Smith hasn’t pitched in a while and could go two innings like he did tonight anyway!
You know what I’m realizing?
Willie is sentimentally nostalgic.
He needs to realize Heilman and Duaner are no longer the automatic shut-down guys of the past. Get over it, Willie. Your stubbornness will cost you your job…
The Braves-Phillie game on espn is more interesting,8-5
ok here we go, nice job marlon
Jose Reyes at this point is an automatic out….where is roger cedeno?? Rey Ordonez?
common church!!!!
That glimpse at the Met “braintrust” was interesting. “Damn, can we really cut a 3rd pitcher in two days?”
Yeah Marlon! COME ON LGM.
Put yourself in his shoes. You go out there and get lit up with men on repeatedly. Yet they do not demote you, they put you out there again and again. You try to regain your confidence but once that first mistake slips you start getting the shakes. The boos start after the first walk and it’s all downhill from there. Yet game after game, you are sent to the mound. The man is not made of stone, he’s a baseball player for Christ’s sake, the streakiest kind of athlete there is. THIS IS ON WILLIE.
TOTALLY on Willie
This bullpen is worse than ours…let’s try to salvage this debacle here…
did you guys see that stat on sny it said heilman was 2 for 8 not allowing inherited runners to score. Why would you show blind trust to a guy that having such a problem in situations like that. Why bring him in, in that spot. He should of had smith warming up with him at the very least…
Willie should’ve takened Heilman out much sooner, seeing too much of Heilman self destruct out there.
it’s deja vu
1. getting behind the hitters
2. walking hitters
3. giving up hits with RISP
he shouldn’t have been in there in the first place!
He was ahead 0-2 on the guy who had the go-ahead single, so changing No. 1 doesn’t look like it’s going to help him either.
I can’t remember the last time the Mets came back and won a game?
its almost impossible to come back if you have Heilman pitching
get on base Church
heilman is in mota terrritory now
now tie this f’er up!
Funny. . . For most the game very few comments. Mets start sucking and all of a sudden an explosion.
Once again Willie can only use the guys he has. He used Wise and Sanchez yesterday, so you’d like to give them a rest or wait till they are really needed in a tie game (extra innings). . . It failed, but it was the right call.
In hindsight we’d all love to have had Smith in their in the 7th, but he should have been saved for the 8th. . . .
I know we can’t DFA heilman because he’d be picked up in a second and probably start for a team too.
NO DUDE
do you really think smith was being saved for the 8th? smith is now our 8th inning guy after he was almost sent down? yeah that sounds like trademark willie openmindedness.
heilman needs to be sent down if he has an option.
Two things kill this theory.
1. Smith hasn’t pitched in a while so he could pitch two innings, like he did tonight anyway.
2. If Sanchez couldn’t pitch then why was he warming up in the 7th and is still warming up bottom 8th?
2. Answer: Everyone is usually able to pitch, it is you’d not like to have to have them pitch.
He was warming up in case the flood gates continued.
1. Answer: now pitching two innings, as everyone is clamoring for, pretty much knocks Smith out for tomorrow’s contest.
Ideally, everyone would just go one inning, but it didn’t work out that way today.
So Willie was managing for tomorrows game when your in a one run game tonight that you should win. Dude you are not going to win no matter how you spin it. Heilman in a one run game is not smart. Period.
sanchez is warming up. again. there goes that willie defense.
Let’s go Wright….
WOW!! What a game, We played well and hung in there with an inferior last place team until the end. We put up a good fight and lost to a better team. GOOD GAME GUYS. We will take them Thursday. A poll taken here said that if the Mets went less than 5-2 on this homestand it was a bust …well…ITS A BUST !!!! The best we can hope for at this point is 4-3 and the way we are playing it may be 3-4. We do NOT play like champions or winners we play like a middle of the pack 500 team. FIRE WILLIE and make some changes NOW before it gets to late.
Why do you make these type of comments before we lose?
even if we come back, heilman still sucks and willie is still absolutely idiotic for bringing him in there
Amen.
See Gipper, this is what me and Koko have said. You didnt see Mr. Yager above or Mr. SayIt AintSo until the game went downhill because all they like to do is complain about Willie or something else that was wrong. Never on here to say anything about what might have gone right in the game. Maybe they can only type when they have to vent I guess.
I don’t disagree that there are some who only come out to spew negativity. I am as down on this club and especially on it smanager as anyone, but I am always here and willing to laud them when they do well.
So,
1.) Don’t lump all anti-Willie types into one camp.
2.) Some, like AMS, have a good point. Not much to say during a pitchers’ duel like we had for most of tonight.
and
3.) It really is human nature to vent more than to laud. There is a reason only bad news sells newspapers.
SEE WILLIE
THATS HOW YOU TAK A PITCHER OUT OF THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh if only manny acta was in the other dugout i would be so fricking happy
my heart is say come on david one big blast,…
My Mind is saying, NO DOUBLE PLAY David!!!
Oh the pain of being a Mets fan…
Lets Go D-Wright!
Can we DFA Wille?
No one would pick him up.
DWright tying run at the plate. Come on David, for all that is good in this world, please captain, do your job! Please!
I’m trying to keep the faith…wright is due to come through in the clutch…
somehow wright never gets the boo birds
because he showed up last September
It was a broken bat, he didnt go down swinging or looking… nor did he hit into a DP.
Nice, I always like watching a giant strike out a hitter looking
now beltran will make an out and the comments on here will go on til game time tomaro, go figure
you’d like to say fair weather fans, but really it’s grim weather fans. . .
It’s baseball. In the grand scheme of things it doesn’t matter for most of us. It’s fun regardless. . . And get supported regardless of the times.
At least it wasnt a DP
sigh – i love wright but jeez…
for the love of god can we please get the clutch hit, just once!
I got Jon Rauch on my fantasy team as a closer. i hope he blows it so Mets win.
Very glad they went w/ Ayala & not Rauch.
Not that it matters.
did anyone else see david wright YAWN after taking ball one?
jesus
its a yawn…wow way to take everything too seriously
I’ve had times where I just need to yawn..it HAPPENS!
PLEASE LORD
Ok, let’s take a poll”
Pop-up?
Strike-out?
Dribbler to shortstop?
YES!!!!!
RNDY CHAVEZ TIME!!!!
THANKS ALOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
damn you alou for gettin tossed, could def use your hitting here
Nice Beltran!
Alou would have been huge in this spot.
BASE KNOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Alright Alou is up, best pure hitter…clutch time.. Lets go ALou!!!.
……..
Oh wait…..
S–T!!!!
By the way, since I wasn’t here earlier I’ll say it now. WTF was Alou thinking?
HE WAS TIRED
I’ll expand on that. I know he was upset, but the fact is whenever he’s not around the catchphrase of the day is always “When Alou comes back…”
And I agree with the catchphrase, because when he’s around he flat out rakes. But the thing is, when he’s around, healthy, and in the line-up we really can’t afford to have him come out of a game like that.
When he can play he’s just too valuable.
I thought we all loved guys showing “fire” and getting tossed from games.
Oh, wait, have you guys finally realized now that that line of thinking is stupid and it hurts the team much more than it helps us? Ok, good…. finally.
Who are you talking to?
I never said that about any player… ever.
Sorry, not you in perticular, but there are always comments on this blog about Willie and the players not showing enough fire, and not getting ejected enough and some stupid stuff like that.
OK, because I said earlier that if they lost this game it was a team loss. Alou will get a pass, but what he did hurt tonight as much as anything else. Really could have used his bat later in the game.
For all the talk (and rightly so) of heilman and willie garnering the blame if they lose, a case can be made for alou for getting tossed for reacting in a bush league way.
at least he showed some life, you have to admit this team has been pretty flat!
alou got mad and slammed his bat down. bad move, but it was uncharacteristic. i can let that go.
willie did what he always does – goes to heilman in a close game with runners on – and heilman did he always does – completely suck. that’s not excusable.
PLEASE LORD!!!
Come on Endy, it’s up to you, it’s not like you have any protection
they should played beltran’s song again for endy chavez… HAHAHAHAHAHAH
YES!!!! HE DID HIS BEST REYES IMPRESSION
marlins down 6-1 in 9th, bases loaded no outs
Just FIRE WILLIE and be done with it. Get a spark before the road trip. Don’t make Willie have to travel unneccessarily…leave him in the Bronx where he belongs.
does anybody thing it should be:
7th- Smith
8th- Sanchez
9th- Wagner
and any time we reach the 16th we bring in- Heilman
sanch
smith
wagner
and here i thought beating up on the reds and nats would give us some nice momentum going into the yanks series, so much for that. mediocre has defined this team so far!
Three things on this team are consistent:
1) Willie’s inability to manage
2) Heilman’s inability to not allow runs
3) This team’s inconsistency
shouldn’t #2 be “Heilman’s ability to allow runs”? Just trying to do away with the double negative.
6-3 no outs
The only reason Randolph is still employed is the Mets are too cheap to eat his contract and admit their terrible blunder in hiring him.
Minaya has zero confidence in Randolph, the players have zero confidence in him, and the fans have zero confidence in him. He’s dead man walking. Or maybe dumb man walking.
Even the Willie apologists on this blog can’t possibly believe that any other MLB team would hire Randolph as a manager when the Mets finally fire him. So if no other MLB team would hire him, why is he still our manager???
And yes, for the love of god, get RID of Aaron Schiraldi Heilman. I’d rather have Sosa, literally, no joking. I never want to see that piece of crap in a Mets uniform again. I don’t care if he goes to Atlanta, becomes a starter, and wins 30 games a year until he’s inducted in the Hall of Fame, I want him GONE NOW.
he will find another job.. he’ll be a bench coach in LA next season.. maybe one day he’ll even make it back to coaching third base. A man with a dream..
Can someone explain to me how the confidence rating went up today?
A win last night.
So we only get confidence ratings after wins…I love it. And Willie polls after 3 game winning streaks…sounds scientific.
NYCuban,
I agree with you on canning Willie, but you have to drop the crazy “the CIA killed Kennedy” conspiracy theories about the polls. The Confidence Rating is run every Wednesday. Period.
You really can’t trust Willie anymore to make the correct moves. I would not want him coaching this team in a big time game
Just to comment on a thing or two quick. First off aaron heilman, he obviously has talent. However the most frustrating thing is he looks scared out there. He nibbles way to much. Like for example, the harris AB. No excuse to freaking walk that guy right there. He’s most likely not gonna beat you with the long ball anyway, throw strikes.
Also i’m not one to fire any managers or anything. However if we end up losing this one, and then lose to the nats tommarow. Does anyone think theres a slight chance willie gets fired? I’m not blaming this season entirely on him, but tonight right now this loss is on him. I know some will blame the offense, but your not gonna score runs every game. Thats baseball. Redding has been pitching well. Leaving heilman in in that 7th inning was inexcusable and may have cost us the game.
Agreed
“However if we end up losing this one, and then lose to the nats tommarow. Does anyone think theres a slight chance willie gets fired?”
Definitely not.
Got here late, what did Willie do wrong this game?
He brought Heilman into a tie game, then left him in for yet another implosion and inexplicably did not even have anyone else warming up as Heilman gave up 4 runs in a hurry.
thanks
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA post of the day
seriously that’s the first smile i’ve cracked in innings
TRS, well played.
This movie is getting very old.
win lose win lose win lose, is this how it will be all year, COMMON pull this out in the ninth inning and shut me up!
Watching Aaron Heilman pitch is like going on a roller coaster. You sometimes go up, you sometimes go down, but no matter which way you go, you have to puke your guts out in the trash can on the concourse.
Typical Willie Randolph…he took out Vargas too soon and left Heilman in too long.
It’s a Willie Randolph special.
the man has no clue when it comes to managing a pitching staff, thats probably why this team isnt hitting, the pitching (bullpen) has taken the life out of us!!!!! why hit when we know the lead is gonna be lost anyway!
Yep, you allow a runner after your 100th pitch, and your name’s not Johan, you’re yanked.
That is Peterson’s fault more then Willie. Peterson has this nebulous 100 pitch count. . . If you want to blame someone, blame him. I do think pitchers should go more then 100, but not the Guru Jacket.
I do give a little nod that Vargas might not have his stamina as he hasn’t pitched much so far this year. He might have been tiring as well.
So 9th inning we have delgado, schneider, easily. If anyone gets on in all likelyhood i would imagine tatis would grab a bat.
…and hopefully he use the bat on Heilman.
marlins tie it up
down from 6-0 in ninth
that we even care what the marlins are doing is really the best part of the this story
Our hopes hinge on Fernando Tatis??? I’m going to bed.
ok, im putting my last ounce of faith into this inning, LETS GO METS!!!!!
marlins score 6!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to tie it up
wow and to make things worse. Florida ties it up. cmon delgado. take one.
How is that a big deal, who cares?
seriously guys, who cares about spring training standings
If the Marlins can come back from 0-6 and put up 6 in the top 9, i would hope the Mets could get 2. But alas, it doesn’t work that way.
Willie for manager of the year…where do i vote?
So everyone understands. Since baseball is a marathon, you need think about today’s game, tomorrow’s game, and the game in three days at the same time.
Everyone is clamoring that Smith pitched two innings anyway, why not have him pitch two starting in the 7th?
You know why? Because now that he did pitch two (and if he had at the beginning) he would probably be not available for tomorrow’s game unless it was an emergency.
Sanchez was warming up in case the flood gates were being opened up even more. Ideally he would not have been used at all, but at times you just have to over use your bullpen.
Bringing in Heilman was the right move in the 7th. You hope that he gets out of it fine. He didn’t. But if he had – and the percentages said he actually would – then he goes one inning. Smith one, and then Wagner one. . .
And then all are available in some capacity tomorrow. You use Smith for two, the capacity Smith is available tomorrow is low. Willie or Peterson can’t forsee what Heilman is going to do unless against a poor hitting Nats team. Heilman struggled from the beginning when the fans booed him before he even threw a pitch. But unless Omar gives Willie another option, that is what it is going to happen.
Reality check: We lost the division by one game last year.
You know what makes a marathon loser?
Taking one step forward and then one step back for the entire race.
if any of this is true, and i’m not saying it is, you don’t leave heilman in there until he lets four runs score
unless you’re willie randolph
Or until Guy Conti says the guy in the pen is ready.
and the 07 hangover continues! good night all.
oh and wait, did you implicitly blame heilman’s performance on the fans?
seriously? you actually believe that bull****?
No, but I don’t blame it on Willie either.
I’m trying to point out the irrational thoughts that go on here.
If Willie is at fault for Heilman not performing in a situation he is supposed to perform, then why not blame the fans too?
now that’s irrational
i want to see that poll that said what mets fans wanted from this home stand
It was a landslide for 5-2 as a minimum acceptable result,
So much for that!
I guess that means it a landslide that 4-3 is unacceptable…but the sunshiners will talk about how its still over .500 and early and we didnt have our best pitchers going, etc.
I guess I am who you speak of. I too think its unacceptable. I just choose not to whine about it.
lets
go
HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OH THE HAWA, THE HAWA
Disgusting.
Absolutely disgusting.
nice swing
F@@K THIS CRAP HORRENDOUS HEARTLESS CANT COME BACK OR PITCH A SCORELESS INNING..
I HATE THIS
The Mets starting rotation needs to beat Hielman with bars of soap wrapped in towels.
I WISH WE GOT SWEPT BY THE NATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Did you all see those numbers? Tell me Heilman is stellar on the road and horrible at home because of the boos? HE IS AWFUL EVERYWHERE!!!
you know it’s bad when even my wife knew heilman should not be coming in to that spot.
This makes a lot more sense when you remember that the Mets owner’s favorite team is still the Dodgers.
Willie’s favorite team is the Dodgers too, because Torre is going to be the only person who returns Willie’s call for a bench job in 2009.
HEY WILLIE!!!!!
WHY DID YOU PULL VARGAS??????
AND WHY DID YOU BRING IN HEIMLICH WITH A MAN ON?????
YOU ARE DISGUSTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Heilman blew the game but at least the offense didn’t go down too quietly. They managed to score at least 2 more runs.
way to stay positive, all i can do right now is vent my frustrations!
i thouht that anything less then 6-1 on this home stand would be a failure but THIS, well be lucky if we win one tommorrow and pull out to 4-3
maz just called willie out on not going out to get heilman after the walk to harris
but he isn’t a former big league manager, right willie fan club?
Nobody, NOBODY can defend willie randolph after this one. you have a VERY capable bullpen outside of Heilman. They should have been warming up from the beginning of his outing.
This L should be removed from Vargas and put on Randolph’s stats, cuz he managed us OUT of this game.
This evaluation cant come soon enough
Thanks a lot Willie. Everyone in that stadium but you knew Heilman was going to blow that game (thats what the boos mean, by the way). Please fire this idiot.
Now we all know hes going to run the B-Squad out there tomorrow.
Im thinking something like:
Reyes
Tatis
Wright
Beltran
Easley
Castro
Chavez
Anderson
Pelfrey
So we take 1 out of 4 from a JOKE team.
“Its just a little rough patch. Its early…we’ll just keep grinding. I trust my guys”
whether willie is a good or bad manager is irrelevant; the mets need a shakeup. whether it means firing willie, peterson, or signing sam cassell to play 2nd place, something needs to change.
I agree
We agree???
I have been saying Willie needs to go for weeks. I just choose not to make it my every post.
Man, like I said, I don’t know who needs to go, but something has to change.
Has to be Willie, I would not change pitching coaches in the middle and firing Omar would do nothing,
I agree, enough is enough. This is supposed to be the best team in the National league and they can’t even beat the Nats at home.
I don’t know if Willie should be fired or not, all I know is something has got to change.
He should’ve been fired after last season’s collapse. I don’t believe the collapse was his fault but he represents the leadership of a gigantic collapse and you couldn’t have that same leader going into this season. Needed to start a clean slate this year w/ a new manager but the team didn’t want to eat his contract. (The extension he never should’ve gotten but only got b/c the team actually seemed pressured into it by local sports columnists.)
The team could deal w/ Willie’s poor tactical moves for a couple seasons but its gone on too long now and the learning curve is over. He’s shown he’s not improving as a tactical manager. He’ll forever be this bad. A lot of people refer to him as stubborn on here. Maybe that really is the case.
But he WAS not. Thats past. Only prob. is now it will take us losing for him to be gone and I would rather win.
True, we’re in a catch 22. The only way to get rid of Willie is to lose, but I don’t want this team to lose and if they do win and keep Wille then everyone on this Blog knows Willie will blow a crucial game in the playoffs or World Series. Catch 22.
No, by keeping Willie they wanted to lose for 2 seasons instead of 1.
Right I am sure they all WANT to lose, just like you get off when we do.
Why don’t you watch a game instead of coming on here to try to agitate the people who vent and actually watched it. I’m guessing you failed your SATs in reading comp b/c you never seem to grasp any of what I say anyway. And dude, I could write the greatest post every, and you’d make some stupid comment under it. You actually look for my name just to post something in response to it. Get a life, troll.
Like I said, watch a game sometime.
I agree there. . .
I’m defending Willie because I don’t think this is his fault nearly much as the players. But I do think a shakeup is needed just to gain the attention of the players. It usually only is a short period where a shakeup helps, but it helps and maybe all the under performing players will realize they are better then their numbers say they are.
Last year it was Rick Down. Short success, but it hasn’t worked long term. But a lot of fans wanted it.
This team has lost 2 out of 3 (so far) to the Washington Nationals…AT HOME…WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So disgusting.
Vargas gets the loss. 6.1 IP, 3H, 1ER. That is just fundamentally unfair.
Welcome to the Mets, guy.
2 ER
Didn’t heilman want to be a starter at some point? trade him to a team that wants him to be a starter for some relief help.
So far were 3-3 on this homestand vs two of the worst teams in the national league. even if we win tommarow i think we could have done much better than 4-3, now if we lose, thats pretty terrible.
Thing is after this homestand we go to yankee stadium, then four against the braves. How are we going to get anything going against any of the better teams if were playing this way.
5-2 was the goal, they failed to reach that goal. Let’s just pray they salvage 4-3.
Lee Mazilli in the post game:” you cannot bring in Heilman in close games right now.”
finally someone says what weve all known for a WHILE. listen up willie!
I guess Maz wants the gig.
mazzili just said on sny , no way he leaves heilman after he walks harris…. and no way you put heilman in nowdays with out back up ready…….. wow…
Willie will use Heilman tomorrow, GUARANTEED!
i could not believe no one else was up
lets hear the genius speak now….
hes gonna blame the offense
i wish a reporter would say:
” hey willie, WHY DID YOU BRING HEILMAN IN IN A TIE GAME?
WHY DID YOU LEAVE HIM IN AFTER HE GAVE UP THE LEAD?
WALKED HARRIS?
GAVE UP A DOUBLE?”
YOU SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
im looking at the game on mlb gameday, can someone give me the highlights of willies postgame pressconference
It hasn’t happened yet, but let me give it a crack….
Willie: “We’ll go out there tomorrow and get them.”
“Heilman is my horse in the pen, I’m trying to get him going.”
“I know I suck, but they’re keepin me so I’ll keep on showing up.”
“The champagne is still on ice from last year.”
oh goody, a post game interview with Willie. Hey i got a question for you: “WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU?”
ANSWER from Willie: “I learned from the best, Joe Torre!!! He taught me that you just sit in the dugout and look dead. It scares the opponents.”
that is really f’n funny
Thanks!
By the way to the people that have said fire willie or peterson, if it happened i guess i really couldn’t argue. However we can’t fire omar, and i know he wont be one of the first to go if this kind of play continues. Every move he’s made isn’t perfect. But the guy has changed the fabric of this franchise. What he did to get santana this offseason was perfectly played.
plus Church and Schneider. I got no problem with Omar. People complain about Bannister and Bell, but they sucked here. and i wish we had Burgos here now instead of Heilman. we need another flamethrower in the bullpen
bann pitched good here… he got hurt running out a triple and never pitched here again
He claims no one else was available…Schoe- under the weather, Wise – 3 days in a row. He wanted 2 innings out of Heilman.
You can’t trust Willie anymore to make the correct moves. I would not want him coaching this team in a big time game
I don’t want him coaching in a Little League game.
bahahahaha
dont worry, he wont
HE SAID:
HEILMAN WAS THE GUY IN THAT SPOT(????????????)
SCHOE AND WISE WERE UNAVAILABLE
HE DIDNT MAKE THE PITCHES
VARGAS PITCHED GREAT
VARGAS PITCHED REALLY WELL IN A PITCHING DUEL(TIM REDDING, LOL)
WILLIE SAYS THIS WONT SET HEILMAN BACK, HES UN A LITTLE RUN, AND NEEDS TO FIGHT HIS WAY THROGH IT, HIS STUFF IS THERE, HE HAS TO THROW PITCHES(?????)
I CANT LISTEN ANYMORE…
he had 0-2 on flores and he threw 3 junk pitches and then gave up the lead……….
WILLIE, I WISH YOU PHYSICAL HARM!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ll settle for Willie to be unemployed in the morning, if physical harm comes, then so be it.
Translation: you bet im throwin him out there tomorrow, no matter the score.
you forgot to add the annoying post nasal drip snuffing noise after every sentence…..
Willie always says that kind of garbage. “Oh, hes just in a little funk, Oh don’t worry he’ll be fine”
What happened when he said that about mota and delgado and the team in general last year?? “Oh, we’ll bounce back, we always do, we’ll make the playoffs” Yeah, that really went well.
Really, heilman should be sent down for awhile. Hes clearly not getting any better up here in the majors and the pressuring is getting to him. And it’s not like we don’t have anyone who can replace him. I remember Carlos Muniz in spring training pitching pretty well, i mean come on, there have got to be bullpen options in the minors that are better than heilman right now.
WE NEED A JOBA RULE HERE
heilman can not pitch in a 4 run gamem winning or losing
omar, PLEASE!!!!!
tell willie he cant pitch heilman at shea EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey Gary Cohen reads these comments. Gary, PLEASE tell willie that putting pitchers in high pressure situations is not the way to break their slump.
M-O-T-A
he cost us the division last year, and you’re doing it again Randolph. and if you manage us out of the playoffs again, then this team can take their fancy new field and shove it, i will not support an 09 mets team with that retard at the helm
HERE HERE
com on reds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ha, i wonder what the confidence meter in Willie will read in a few days…is it possible to have a negative percentage lol
I think the confidence will still be over 50%.
Let’s face it, anyone who still had confidence in Willie after “The Collapse” will always have confidence in him no matter how much he drives this team into the ground.
I think these positive Willie polls are driven by Skankee, Philthy and Braves fans. I mean, did you hear Shea booing Willie today?
In his press conference Willie said he went to Heilman and kept him in the game because he was short on relievers.
Vargas went 7 1/3, that means you have 4 relievers for eight outs. You have Smith, Heilman, Feliciano and Wagner.
My question is this, with one out and a runner on, why go to Heilman FIRST? Bring in the most consistent arm, Smith, then deal with the eighth inning with Heilman starting fresh with no one on base.
Willie made the right move to take out Vargas but he chose the wrong reliever.
Exactly why is the pen short? Excuses, excuses.
6 1/3
I don’t advocate for Baseball Tonight but everyone should just cheer up by watching the “Manny being Manny” segment. (Plus it’ll get us well schooled for when he’s out in LF for us next season. (j/k or am i?)
Don, Don, Don…Manny is not over the hill just yet, so there is no way Omar signs the guy. 41+ to play LF for the Mets.
haha my bad, i lost my head for a minute. what was I thinkin
According to ESPN, with runners on base, Heilman’s OPS this year is 1.086. Hahaha….holy crap, Heilman turns every NL hitter into Barry Bonds. That is crazy. And I think that stat is before tonight’s meltdown, so it will be going up even more.
Joe Smith’s OPS with runners on is .633.
YES REDS!!!!
WE WANT HOJO!!!!! Everyone chant WE WANT HOJO!!!!
We want Hojo to go? We want Hojo to go? …… Come on he is the last thing we need.
he pulls vargas after a 1 out walk
but lets heimlich give up 3 hit, 1 bb, and 4 runs
I know, where’s Bobby Valentine when we need him?
Unable to get a job in the states after his ego got in the way of managing.
That Ego took a far more inferior team than this to the World Series and was the only Manager to scratch out 1 win verusus the Yankees since Game 2 of the 1996 World Series.
I’ll take the Ego if it means winning.
Highlights from heilmna talkling
1. i made some good pitches
2. i felt strong
3. i got some ground balls
If thats the case, then lets face it, you suck then..
if you felt great, made pitches, you clearly suck then.
PLEASE TRADE OR SEND HEILMAN DOWN!!!!!!