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The Game:
The Mets (20-18) look to split their four-game series versus the Nationals (17-24) today at Shea Stadium, starting at 1:10.
The Lineup:
- SS Jose Reyes
- 2B Luis Castillo
- 3B David Wright
- CF Carlos Beltran
- RF Ryan Church
- 1B Carlos Delgado
- C Ramon Castro
- LF Marlon Anderson
- P Mike Pelfrey
The Pitchers:
RHP Mike Pelfrey (2-3, 4.86 ERA) starts for the Mets. Pelfrey was the tough luck loser in his last start versus the Reds on May 10, allowing two runs on eight hits while striking out three and walking one over 6.0 IP. Left-handed batters are hitting .426 against Pelfrey this season. He lasted pitched against the Nationals on April 15, throwing seven shutout innings, earning a victory. He is 2-1 with a 4.30 ERA in five career starts versus the Nationals.
RHP Jason Bergmann (0-1, 11.68 ERA) takes the hill for the Nationals. Bergmann is making his first start since being optioned to Triple-A Columbus on April 12. In his last start on April 9 versus the Marlins, Bergmann allowed seven runs on nine hits while walkinig ne and striking out four over 5.0 IP. he is 2-1 with a 3.96 ERA in nine career games, three starts, versus the Mets.
The Notes:
Carlos Beltran is batting .455 with a homerun and 2 RBI in 11 career at-bats versus Bergmann.
David Wright is 9-for-28 (.321) with 2 2B, 1 HR and 6 RBI during his current seven-game hitting streak. He is 1-for-11 lifetime versus Bergmann.
The Nationals are 7-6 in series finales this season.
Austin Kearns is bating .357 (5-for-14) with 1 HR and 4 RBI in his career versus Pelfrey.
How To Catch It:
Today’s game can be seen locally on
and heard locally on WFAN.
SNY’s broadcast team of Gary Cohen, Ron Darling and Keith Hernandez will be calling the game live from the Upper Deck.
The Bleachers:
For a live chat, head over to The Hot Foot Bleachers.
…enjoy, and as always, Let’s Go Mets…
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Why can’t Alou play today? He played half a game last night. As always Willie plays his worst lineup in a weekday afternoon game. He can’t be fired soon enough for me.
What is wrong with this lineup? Alou will always get the daygame off after the nightgame no matter how much he’s played. It’s not just about how long he was in the game, its the preparation it takes to get in the game as well. Besides we have a bunch of OF’s who need AB’s. This is your regular day game after a night game lineup so get used to it.
I’ve been used to it ever since Willie has been here and i’m as sick of it as I am of him. Give me a break with preperation, this guy has played baseball all his life.
I never knew Anderson was an outfielder, always thought he was an infielder that played outfield, thanks for that bit of wisdom.
Please, that is such a stupid comment. He’s a utility player, who gets most of his AB’s in the OF. Look at last years splits for him. 90 innings in the OF, only 7 in the IF.
Randope has made him a nearly full time OF, doesn’t mean its right.
Well when you have 4 or 5 2B as we did last year what do you want him to do? There are logical reasons to to criticize Willie. This is not one of them. Its petty.
npanzecadope does not realize that Anderson can’t really play IF anymore except for 1B. But that’s besides the point.
How about not carrying that many IF’s, that could be a start. I know its not always his call but how about have some guts and debate this with Omar? Oh I forget, he never argues with umps and will never argue with Omar…….we’ll agree to disagree on this.
npanzeca is someone on this site I want an ignore button for…he never has logical or intelligent things to say, just insults the team
wow i am suprised castillo is in there… wasnt all the talk he was going to the DL?
Wonder if tatis can play a little 2B…
Ouch….
I agree with you that Alou should be playing today after taking half of last night off. But their “worst” lineup? Come on….besides Alou and Schneider (day game after a night game) They have their normal starting line up out there. Lets not be so mellow dramatic
do you really think Shrek catching and Church not in the 2 hole is a good lineup? Oh, ok
Castillo has done very well in the lineup recently at #2.
Agreed, except now he is clearly injured
If he was “clearly” injured do you think he would be playing?
This is Randope you are talking about, if he wasn’t injured why hasn’t he played the last several days?
Think he sat out what 2 games?
1/2 of the game Sunday and all 3 games this week I believe.
Agreed, but it sure would be nice to see Castro go last night so Pelfrey could throw to Schneider again. His last start bucked the trend, but he’s done much better with BS behind the plate so far this year.
Fingers crossed. This would be a tough one to lose.
*would have been nice.
need more coffee …
How many starts does he have with Castro behind the plate? Maybe it was just how bad Cassanova was.
I don’t like Castro as a game caller, but eventually you have to learn to pitch w/o a certain catcher. Pelfrey pitched well last time w/o Schneider so we’ll see what he does this time.
Yeah i was at his sat night game… even without Schneider he pitched well… After the perfomance Vargas gave, Pelfrey knows he better step up If pedro ever returns he might be out the rotation.
I agree that Willie can’t be fired soon enough, but not for this. Alou is made of glass. He needs lots of time off unfortunately.
I think I’ll tell my boss I only want to work 1/2 day today and not at all tomorrow, that should be fine right?
If you are old and one of the best employee’s in your field then yes it most likely would.
Are you a one-in-a-million physical talent whose productivity depends entirely on the proper function of a body ravaged by surgeries and injuries incurred through years of physical punishment playing professional athletics at the highest level?
If so, and if your body aches every morning and will for the rest of your life, go ahead and ask for a day off.
Are you older than most in your profession, very valuable to your company, and ridiculously injury prone? Then yeah I bet your boss would ok it.
Fine with me. You sound like you need a vacation.
Way to really make my post look bad. Uh that’s what I was going to say.
Lol quick someone else phrase a question comparing npanzeca to Alou
well said…the mets need his bat in september
Just another typical comment by Npanzecadope.
I don’t get paid all the millions he does so laugh all you want considering his actions are affecting our team. Keep paying 50 or more bucks a ticket to watch an inferior product while guys like Alou laugh and go home to their mansions. The Wilpons love sheep like you.
Npanzecadope, you just don’t get it. If you were that good in your job you would be paid the same ratio.
You resent that he makes millions, but you spend a significant amount of time attacking him on a blog in the middle of the day. Ever wonder why professional athletes make millions?
I wondering if npazneca is commenting on metsblog while sitting at work?
That could knock a day and a half off your work week without having to ask a bosses permission…
I have something called pride in my job, have worked it for 30 years and don’t beg for or take days off. you are clearly part of the “its ok we are still in first” gang from 2007, how did that turn out?
Nope, dope.
I, for one, was NOT part of that group. I saw the Collapse coming, and I wanted Willie dismissed after it happened. But I don’t have to whine about every little flipping move Willie makes. He’s not going to be fired before June 1, if at all this year. Get comfortable with that, and root for your team.
And opinions on the collapse have absolutely zilch to do with whether or not it’s prudent to sit Alou today. Nothing.
Exactly. This entire Willie mess will take care of itself. If we continue to play poorly he will be fired. If we start winning he won’t and everyone SHOULD be happy. Either way I am not going to make my every post be about the impending doom of the Mets because Willie is still here.
I thought this place was about being able to vent if needed without being attacked. Guess I was wrong.
Lets go Mets!!
Yes Npanzecadope you were wrong, this is not a venting post. It’s a blog, one that used to be excellent until so many irrational fans came on here venting and whinning and complaining all the time about the same things over and over again.
Dude you called us sheep, apologists, and commented on thereal’s mom…
Precisely and precisely. It’s a blog where Met fans are permitted to comment on the news and comments posted by the bloggers. There’s some venting, sure, but it’s not your headquarters for boobird primal scream therapy.
I don’t agree with “npanzeca’s” comments, BUT, where on this site does it say people are not permitted to vent? I don’t see that in the rules anywhere…..
Everyone needs to get over themselves and stop telling everyone else what is permitted and what’s not. To each his/her own….
He can write about whatever he wants, but don’t complain that you’re being personally attacked while writing about someone’s mom with your next post….
TO ALL FANS WHO CLAIM THE WILLIE SITUATION WILL TAKE CARE OF ITSELF-THINK AGAIN!
“if we keep playing badly he’ll be fired eventually, if not June 1, then after the season”
Do you morons think time stands still?
Church and Scheider-our best offensive players so far this season are only locked up til the end of ‘09. Alou is probably gone. Fmart may or may not be ready by next year-ditto Carp and Neise. Ollie, Pedro, and Duque may all be gone for good. Wagner, Feliciano, Santana, Castillo, Castro, Anderson, Easley will all be a year older. We’ve had as much talent as anyone on paper the last 3 years and have nothing to show for it. The entire roster could be different, and not necessarily better, by the start of next year. Thats when you want to change managers-to get more from a team You’re not even sure about the identity of? Lots of you sort glass for a living, right? Rey Ordonez was right. Mets fans ARE stupid. 60% of them, judging by the latest Willie approval rating. Let’s just waste a year. No big deal, huh? Always next year. Sounds just like Willie, no wonder you like him so much. You make me sick
I hpe the wilpons have seen enough of willie. He needs to go this afternoon…Typical sleepy, malaise day game lineup fielded by steady willie. He needs to rest his guys even when they haven’y played full games like alou. Unbelievable..he never shows any urgency in needing wins he must go now…
Be careful with your comments or risk being attacked personally. And Alou is hands off for some reason.
Not his Npanzecadope, just yours. He has been on here a long time and earned it.
You got to play Alou, he did not play the whole game last night, Not to mention the 35 he missed this year.
“RHP Jason Bergmann (0-1, 11.68 ERA) takes the hill for the Nationals. Bergmann is making his first start since being optioned to Triple-A Columbus on April 12.”
Translation: We are getting shut out.
Get ready for another disappointment today, maybe 1 run in 6 or 7 innings.
Ok, I am getting ready. What must one do to get ready? Should I bang my head into a wall? Get drunk before the game? Should I just not even watch the game? It’s already over? I guess I should go make some bets in Las Vegas.
ok i laughed really loud when i read that but i also feel like crying because its true …….
Exactly what I was thinking. . . . If it was Hudson, we’d shell him.
Wait..is Castillo really playing?? I thought he was going on the DL??
He probably is after the game today so he will be out for the full two weeks. Why would we want to screw him with his vacation time. We don’t want no retroactive BS.
Sad but typical of this team.
I understand its a day game after a night game but considering Pelfreys numbers with Schneider behind the plate and anyone else why not play him. Honestly I know its May but considering last year, this is a must win game…we can’t lose 3 outta 4 to the Nats at home, a “championship” team should not do that
A championship team shouldn’t have to fight to win the 4th game to earn a split.
to quote willie….”its a marathon…not a spirint…its a long season man….just another game man…no sense of urgency man”…..cant wait to see you fired man (or as omar would say…”ya know”
his last game, in which he pitched pretty well, was with castro being catcher
I think 5 times this year the Mets have faced a pitcher who was struggling only to have trouble. Odds are that today is no different
Chad Billingsley
Tom Gorzelanny
Ted Lilly
Bronson Arroyo
Well those guys were due. They are all pretty decent pitchers.
When looking at the lineup and th epitchers you would think that the METS wil walk over the NATS and go into Yankee Stadium on a posotive note, you would be WRONG!! I have no faith at all in this team and allthough I feel that they should t-off on this NATS pitcher, I know better than that. I dont know what the team is doing , but, ITS NOT WORKING !! Eother Willie is NOT yelling enough or he is yelling to much I dont know/? They are having too many team meetings or not enough? I dont knwo, but, ITS NOT WORKING!! Its time to do something different. Dont wait until its ti late. Do whatever it takes to light a fire under this underachieving team. I hope we loose tonight and get sweept by the Yankees. Perhaps that will get them going. Im sick of the 7th and 8th inning looses and I want to see them win 5 or 6 or 7 in a row, loose 1 and win 4 more. This win 1 loose 1 is CRAP.
That will help out because hopefully the Wilpons will be upset enough to fire him, but that won’t happen, they are too pre occupied with what Dodger to honor next at Citifield while ignoring their own team.
What sucks is the team is starting to resemble the 1991 and 2001clubs that just never could get it going consistently. We may be a .500 team. Sucks, but you can just hope that something happens to change that.
I WILL NEVER ROOT FOR THE METS TO LOSE. That has to be one of the dumbest ideas possible. I want Willie gone but I would much rather win.
And the general idea that Willie yelling or not yelling is the answer, that’s really funny.
Agreed. If you aren’t rooting for a win why bother watching or being a fan of that team?
Well I remember last week we had a poll showing most of us wanted a 5-2 homestand. Sucks that it wont happen, but lets root for a 4-3 homestand! Lets go Mets! Light these punks up!
No no I would rather them lose tonight and get swept by the Yankees and Braves. It’s good for the team.
you could see this coming a mile away….once again folks the mets will never ever win anything with willie….sadly it might be better to lose now while there is still time to save the season….
prediction….mets will be 3-7 on upcoming road trip….5 games out….and willie will finally be gone….let the Ken Oberkfell era begin
Well I hope it doesnt come to that, but I am hearing great things about Wally Backman. Get it done Omar!
How are you hearing great things about Wally Backman? Have you been attending spousal abuse meetings with him and Brett Myers? Who is currently telling you anything good about Wally? Seriously. That’s like me saying I am hearing good things about Gary Carter.
the guy has won at every level…personally i’d root for cobra commander if he could get some w’s
Publications. I dont know the whole story on the guy. He apparently has alot of baseball people who stand behind him and say he has gotten a bum wrap. Sounds like you know more then me.
I want the Mets to win. Really do. Want Randolph to win manager of the year, take the Series, and pop champagne in a tickertaper.
It’s never going to happen.
Most likely not. Even if we were to start winning then it would be that we were supposed to win. Randolph is in a no win situation right now. Time for him to move on.
I heard Cobra Commander racked up a lot of W’s in the Cape Cod league last year….
My ears are burning. Somebody talking about me? I managed the South Georgia Peanuts to a first place finish last year. I can manage any team to first place.
Go Mets!
On the Mets radio-cast they said the Mets are 5 for 28 in this series with RISP……
I’m with mex on this one….Let’s do what we can today to just get this W and head into the Bronx with a positive attitude!
Let’s Go Mets!
the more they talk about scho the more i respect that guy. he’s one tough b*****d
still should’ve been on the dl last year though
SCHOENWEISS HAS APPENDIX REMOVED BETWEEN INNINGS——STAYS ON TO PITCH SEVENTH
would he still get booed?
Only if he wears a Heilman uniform…
lol
Lets just get the W here and end up the mediocre home stand at 4-3. Lets continue the .500 baseball and we can all keep spending our money to root for this team. This team has completely drained me. Its just one game, its early. Its a little rough patch, we’ll get our rhythm soon. Can’t wait.
You really should just take a break then man. I still enjoy having hope. It would be pointless for me to even keep watching the games or coming on here if I thought there was no hope for this season.
See…I honestly started out that post trying to be positive. I really want to believe, but the more I typed, the more I couldn’t keep lying to myself. I hate this team. Not the Mets, I can’t stand the players in the uniform. I hate the manager. I hate the way they play the game. Its such a blah, boring style. They give me nothing to cheer for, and much less, have hope for. As least in the 90s, we knew what we were. What are we now? A .500 team? The favorite in the NL? A huge disappointment?
Then at this point you may just need to move on. Pull for the Mets in general but find another pass time. You can’t get that worked up. I understand that Willie needs to go, that we are not playing up to potential and there are a lot of holes. But I still have hope that tonight when I watch the game I paid to watch that they will win and I will do the same this weekend. If they don’t I will be sad and angry but I will still have hope for the next day. Shoot I even did that all throught the 90’s. I would still get up the next morning grab the paper and look to see who one.
After last year (and the fact no one was held accountable), I feel like the crazy fan (Randy Quaid) in Major League who spends the whole season waiting for the other shoe to drop.
nice analogy…i definetly feel that way sometimes
I realize that, but it’s over. We can’t go back, otherwise I would have traded Heilman, LOL.
“Wild Thing! You make my butt sting!!!”
LMAO
seriously what have you seen in this team that gives you so much hope? tell me i want to be as positive as you but i just dont feel good about this team…
Nothing, but I would be miserable without hope of them winning. What fun would that be? Do you think that the Rockies entended on going to the WS last season? There is always hope for a decent team in baseball. I really enjoy following the Mets and I have done that through the ups and downs and still look forward either way to rooting them on.
Yes, but the Rockies were overachiverers, who you can get behind, admire and enjoy watching. The Mets right now are underachievers
You are right on the money! We sometimes forget that, in reality, we are fans of a game! Yes, we are very invested in this team and this game, but in the end it should be something we do for fun. The minute that watching them isn’t entertaining for us, we have the right to turn off the TV…or leave the stadium…or just stop following them all-together. It is our right to do that. For many of us, that isn’t an option because we simply care too much – for better or for worse. Regardless, if as fans we decide to follow this team – let’s follow them 100% of the way and see where it leads. Who knows? We may win it all…we may not…either way, I can’t stand to not be a part of it.
Let’s Go Mets! =)
Cuban is alright with watching where it leads, as long as it leads to Willie’s firing….
Where’s my champagne?
when i think of champagne i think deon sanders / tim mcarver
I wish Deion would have smashed the bottle over McCarver’s head.
Oh well, Maybe one day I will see that come true when Elijah Dukes is part of a championship club…lol
haha that dude is a time-bomb hopefully he didnt hear Gary talking about his rap sheet during the game the other night…
I took a break from the team during the 1991 season. Real frustrating but it worked. I did not read a sport article for a whole month and felt better. The team actually did well during that month and were back in contention only to fall flat on their face before the year ended. Dont watch if its affecting you so much that it pours into your daily life and makes you a miserable sod, not worth it.
Shhh, don’t be negative, you’ll wake all the sheep and apologists.
You know all about sheep don’t you Npanzecadope?
hehe
I know about your Mom realdopesince86
therealsince86 please continue to reply to every one of “Npanzecadope’s” posts…it’s pretty funny and saves me the trouble
That’s not my mom Npanzecadope, that’s our neighbors sheep. Again, you would think that the wool would give it away. What did your mom look like man?
Wow…. strange why you don’t get banned with his kind of comments……
*this kind of comments…
I was thinking the same thing…
“I know about your Mom realdopesince86″
The mystery is solved. npanzeca is David Sloane. That explains a lot.
LOL
here, here
The had better not get blown out today or you’ll find me in the Mezzanine all by myself with giant poster calling for change. I say all by myself because of the lack of fan attendance lately. That right there has to show the wilpons everything they need to know.
What is going on with fan attendance lately? the ballpark is barely half full.. That is a sad turn of events for the final season at shea.
Played the Reds and the Nat’s. That will do it every time.
Well, I have eaten 3 sets of tickets this year because its not worth the gas or tolls to watch their display of baseball. I actually “save” money by not going. And all 3 games I ate, we lost, so I have to say I was happy I skipped.
hey maybe you can seats next to Gary Keith and Ron in the stands!!
The weather has been horrible. Even last night, it was nice during the day – but absolutely freezing at Shea when the game was played. Come June, when it is nice at night, the kids are out of school and we play teams like SF, SD, LAA and COL, the place will be fuller. At least god willing it will – I have eaten tickets to three games already!
I am starting to think the Mets are not as good as they are being portrayed to be.The way they have played so far proves they are not that special….. Hopefully, they start to play better and they are consistent or it will be a very upsetting season…. again.
great name…i gotta fevah
Thanks!
i want the mets to win today. didn’t know there was another option for fans unless it was the nba or nfl and a big time draft pick was coming out.
Not on here anymore Zen. I really wish that Matt would split up the comment sections. One for the ones who want the Mets to win and think they still can and one for the ones who think they can’t win and want them to lose.
Then maybe we could have actual intelligent debates on things that actually matter.
there have always been a lot of critics posting and i have learned from them and have been convinced of a few arguments along the way.
unfortunately, it has really taken a terrible turn. odd since the blog itself is rational and positive.
it is what it is. let’s go mets!
Wow. 100+ pissy comments and the game hasn’t even started.
haha
I don’t understand how people can be complaining about the lineup. They are resting the catcher because it’s a day game after a night game. Everyone does that. And they are resting a guy who would end up on the DL for sneezing wrong.
He put Castillo in there who is most likely not 100%.
I’m no Willie supporter, but this is not a give away- getaway day lineup
I thought the guys were going to call the game from the last row of upper reserved…Looks like they are in section 1 Upper Box!
i know right, i would love to have those seats!
Those are actually among the best seats in the house.
If the Mets get behind in this game, the crowd is going to get UGLY
If they get behind, i’ll even boo them from my office… haaaa
Your office? I guess you own the business?
Yes RD, as a matter of fact I do own the business….
Of course you do, you’re “Thee Bruce Dickenson”
EXACTLY!!! and I would appreciate if you don’t use these ” ” on my name…..
Keep in mind Metsfan119, Its a bunch of little kids at the game today looks like its school trip day or something..wont be that bad ;)
they shoulda stayed with the blue hats
GREAT CATCH
best centerfielder in baseball
here here
not to mention the most unappreciated.
hear hear!
Awesome catch.
It’s funny listening to Keith’s shock at how small the players look from the upper deck. If it weren’t Keith, it might even border on condescending — yep, that’s what it looks like to us crazies who pay $575 for 2 tickets to sit up there every Saturday. Oy.
wow what a horrible bunt
1,2,3 inning…. Minimal pitches, great start…..
And as I type reyes hits first pitch 6 feet for a ground out….Whats wrong with him??
Dare I say HGH?
i fully expect willie to be fired after the game.
That’s 3 flyball outs for a guy who when he is “on” is supposed to be a ground ball pitcher with a good sinker.
Should we be concerned?
” A leader needs to preach, He needs to preach, to those that are following, and what he is preaching, must be his belief. You must repeat and you must repeat until its understood”
Bobby Valetine
4 pitches, 4 bunt attempts!
In all seriousness, why does Reyes nearly always show bunt on the first pitch, not bunt, and it is almost always a strike? Very annoying and peculiar.
to bring the infield in so they can field his groundouts quicker.
It allows you to see the ball all the way in to the catchers mitt.
Lets just bunt the entire game.
funny…
you can hear all the kids screaming in the crowd…thats a welcome change
It sounds like a roller coaster. . .
Just like the Mets season so far. :D
Innocence is a great thing!
Wow. I knew David hit lefties better, but he’s .450 against them this year versus .210 against righties. Weird…
Wow these little kids are going to be even more amplified with there annoying screams thinking every pop fly is a homerun
It sounds like a roller coaster. . .
Just like the Mets season so far. :D
Watching Milledge play center is hilarious.
Speaking of hilarious, what Manny did last night was one of the funniest things I have ever seen on a baseball field. He is on his own little planet. The part that is funny is that he does not try to be funny and that’s why it works.
Yeah, that was amazing. I love Manny and still wish we could have pulled that trade off for him a few years ago.
You can’t give people 5 at Shea. ;-)
i need fuller thicker hair
How does Pelfrey look (just Gamecenter here at the office)? Is he laboring, or does he seem to have command of his pitches? So far (asde from Lopez) it seems like he’s been pretty darn efficient (can’t complain about 12 pitches in the first and 9 in the second). Although I suppose it’s still very early…
He looks great so far. Command is good, gettiing alot of swings and misses (though only 1k I think) and ahead in counts.
he’s thrown 16 strikes out of 22 pitches. looking good.
Well, that’s always a good ratio. But how is he doing in terms of location within the zone? Is he hitting the glove consistently? Thanks.
I am mostly listening to the sound and taking occasional glimpes at the picture (playing it on my work computer), so I suppose it is fairer to say he “sounds” good.
Pelfrey looking sharp so far.
Big Pelf is looking good. 21 pitches through 2.
I seem to recall even a few weeks ago that concern about him tipping his pitches was the real reason for the mouthpiece, though I think he really does have TMJ. What changed? (I’m glad not to look at it!)
4, 5, 6 inning…. Not alot of pitches…keep it coming
willie sucks.
..by the way, SNY is awesome. I think its great that they are doing the game from the upper deck. They should do this every year for at least one game.
No way they’re going to give up those $100 seats up to broadcasters next year at Citi.
Forgot about Citi…haha.
Delgado is awful. He is gaining Willie status in my little notebook.
to be fair he’s been a lot better this month…even had a 9 game winning streak…not saying we should re-sign him or anything, just saying he has been better
agreed (although you meant hitting streak, not that it wasn’t understandable)
my bad…i’m holding my kid while i type all this stuff
The Mets need to ship Willie and Delgado to the South Georgia Peanuts in exchange for Wally Backman!
what happend to the darth vader music?
I agree stache, Delgado’s at bats have looked better this year as opposed to last year. I know thats not saying alot. But it is true so far.
is there any way to physically go fight willie randolph?
Put a circle around that one for Mr, Wright!
What is this story about scho and toughness or something? People were making posts about him before but i have no idea what happened…
Is Willie the worst manager in the game right now?
you are ridiculous…no way is he the worst…bottom 10 is def a posibility though
please don’t feed the troll
Not as long as Dusty Baker is still managing
he spent the night in the hospital last night…something with his appendix, but it was so bad his extremities were turning blue, and he still came to the stadium. it’s just nice to see something like that when guys are going on the dl with broken fingernails (clay buckholtz).
Who would have ever imagined that schoenweiss would be a fan favorite and Heilman would be public enemy #1 by may?
He woke up yesterday in intense pain similar to post-chemo symptoms from when he had testicular cancer. He had to call an ambulance to take him to the hospital, where he was treated.
Crap, the real Mike Pelfrey is trying to take over..
Ruhroh.
Come on Pelf.
Alright, nice recovery.
I DVR’d that Bobby V Special…anyone here watch it? any good?
It was okay. Nothing great. It was more about him in Japan than anything else so it was hard to get into it for that reason.
really good…just weird seeing him in japan
its going to be on again on Monday at 3pm eastern time Espn2..
I’m watching it again right now.. He truly is the anti Willie and a great leader..
” A leader needs to preach, He needs to preach, to those that are following, and what he is preaching, must be his belief. You must repeat and you must repeat until its understood”
Bobby Valetine
I’m going to call it now….NO HITTER
marvelous im going to call it now, u just Jinxed it!
I would love to see the following stat:
What the ERA is against the Mets for pitchers that have a plus 5.00 ERA in general.
I bet you it’s sub-3.50.
Damnit Jose. 2 abs, 2 pitches seen.
He might be ugly to watch be Castillo is 2-2.
he can’t do that after the pitcher makes an out. His head still isn’t straight from last year. He’ll show a flash here and there. If it keeps going like this we’re in trouble.
I think Willie should move Castillo to the leadoff role and Reyes into the 2nd spot.
until reyes gets his game back of course.
Wow its like they let a kid from the upper deck play RF for a play!
LET’S GO KEARNSY…LET’S GO
LET’S GO KEARNSY…LET’S GO
LET’S GO KEARNSY…LET’S GO
Kearns has been pretty awkward this inning.
this series, really. yesterday (was it the day before?) he had that super weird leap on the church hit.
Howie said Wright and Castillo weren’t running hard on the dropped pop-up. True? This is the kind of crap that should not be acceptable to Willie.
Remember when Reyes was benched because he didn’t run out a ball?
Too bad Castillo is not 22 years old or Willie would have benched him too. What is not good for Reyes to do is OK for Delgado and Castillo to do.
agreed…he sat reyes for the same thing last year
on the replay, david is actually walking out of the box. no good, “captain.”
Well if that is what Willie should be fired for, every manager in baseball should be fired for their players doing exactly the same thing.
Routine flyball for the 3rd out that was dropped. 99% of MLB players would have run with the same speed. 0.5% would have hustled a little more. The other 0.5% would have been thrown out at 1st or 3rd for not even running that fast.
A manager should only be fired for something like this if it’s affecting the bottom line, i.e., wins and losses. I absolutely think the Mets’ laid-back, lazy attitude resulted in the collapse last year and the mediocre start this year.
no other manager in baseball is managing the 3rd highest payroll after one of the worst collapses ever last year
There are two managers that are managing teams with higher pay rolls and doing worse then the Mets.
The collapse wasn’t Willies fault or one players fault or any one person’s fault.
It was a total team collapse. There was very little a manager could have done to stop it.
And of course the only solidly hit ball this inning is right at someone.
can we pleaes not swing at the first pitch and make this pitcher work a little
kranepool just said he wants to do steroids! hilarious
ever since willie has been here, can you remember the mets winning a game they had to have?
collapsed in sept of 05
collapsed in oct against a weaker team, even got swept by worst team in NL when trying to clinch.
collapsed against washington and florida last year.
.500 team this year on a team labeled best team in NL
not sure how anyone can support this loser, he has done NOTHING to show that he can win a big game.
Are you bot? Because I swear you’ve made the exact same posts in this thread about 30 times now.
Keith said someone would of scored if they were busting their butt, and that Wright should have been on 2nd.
The replay clearly shows Castillo, head down in a casual jog, and I don’t want to hear why risk his quad on a routine ball, if it’s a risk, DL him.
wright was walking!
That’s a disgrace. The way this team has played, that’s an absolute disgrace.
I love Wright, but he should be pulled from this game right now.
Delgado is the master of the “off-thebag-tag.”
and, wright is the master of the “can’t throw straight” play.
match made in heaven?
i think watching the replay Castillo is still running very gingerly, i can give him a lil break, David stoop there like a girl pissed at himself
If so, then put him on the DL or the bench…
This is why Willie is hated by many. He sat Reyes for not running hard, yet when the vets do it, there is always an excuse.
Anyone ever fire a manager in-game?
Wright’s not a vet.
I suppose it is possible that Willie decided what he did to Reyes was a mistake? (I don’t, necessarily.)
I love it, an in-game firing. Finally something to root for this season!
this guy has a 12 era and he’s shutting us out! Some Sad Sh!t.
see my post all the way at the top of this thread. That was a given before the game started.
church homerun… calling it now.
Good inning from Pelfrey. Pitch count back on track.
Nice comeback inning for Pelf after struggling a little in the 3rd.
hey guys, relax. it’s not the manager’s job to get his players to play hard.
hahaha
reyes has NO discipline, and he never will.
he’s an idiot savant.
he swings like a sandlot kid- no pitch counts, no walks…
the mets have to STOP referring to him as the Catalyst.
he’s way too inconsistent to rely on.
Former MLB superstar turned “I’m more concerned about dancing to reggaetone music than playing baseball.”
Low I.Q.
Those chairs must be so uncomfortable compared to the studio seats…
For those of us at work, did Wright not run out a ground ball or something?
Failed to run out a pop-up that was dropped. Ended up on first, should’ve been on second. Unacceptable.
No, Wright hit an easy pop up to Austin Kearns who dropped it…had wright been running it out full speed he would have been at second…but I don’t think its THAT big of a deal…
he should have been at second, but im not going to crucify him for it…same goes for castillo
He hit an extremely routine flyball to Austin Kearns. 99.9% of the time it is caught for the third out. Both Wright and Castillo slow jogged to their bases. Kearns ended up dropping the ball (have no idea why). Wright only got to first and Castillo only got to third. If they had run harder, Wright would have been on second and Castillo probably would have scored.
pop fly with 2 outs and castillo on. austin kearns dropped it, but since luis and david weren’t running they had to settle for first and third. castillo had a shot at home and wight should’ve been on 2nd
Thanks guys… I agree, not a big deal, the way this team is playing its the least of our concerns.
Totally disagree. This lazy and disinterested attitude feeds into the way they’ve been playing.
ToastyJoe has it right.
Well if Castillo and Wright is what what Willie should be fired for, every manager in baseball should be fired for their players doing exactly the same thing.
Routine flyball for the 3rd out that was dropped. 99% of MLB players would have run with the same speed. 0.5% would have hustled a little more. The other 0.5% would have been thrown out at 1st or 3rd for not even running that fast.
It’s wrong, but it’s the culture of baseball these days throughout MLB.
No, Willie should be fired for soooooooo many things, I don’t have that kind of time.
Ny Cuban… shhh you’re being pessimistic and bitter, I’m not sure what gave you the impression that Willie should be fired, but you should have a brighter outlook on life!!
Lol… sarcasm. Look below my brother.
Both of you should have a brighter outlook on life. It’s only baseball. We all have much more important things to worry about in the grand scheme of things.
That’s the difference between a baseball fancier (it;s just a game, it;s a pleasant way to pass a summer night, it’s the past time) and a baseball fan (living and dying with every pitch, fully invested in their team, etc).
This team is an absolute joke, losing 2 of 3, soon to be 3 of 4, to the WORST road team in baseball. Guaranteed this game goes scoreless into the 7th, when the Nats then score a few runs and the mets bats stay asleep with the attitude, “oh, its over anyways.” I swear after the depleted Yankees beat us up this weekend its time for Willie’s head to roll… right off his armed crossed shoulders. While we’re at it, somebody tell this loser to shave his little pathethic mustasche.
Man, I can’t imagine what its like to be you. You must wake up peeved everyday huh?
Life of a mets fan. You must be a newb to this squad.
Man I’ve been posting here for years.
Not all Mets fans are that pessimistic and bitter.
Posting for years! Say it ain’t so! Cookie? Or a medal?
All mets fans are Pessimistic and bitter, thats what made winning in 06 err… thats what WILL make winning in 08 that much sweeter.
What are the odds we see Heilman trotting out for the 7th????
So, for those of us following in the office, is Pelfrey as good as his line looks today? (Especially the lack of hits…. I didn’t say the magic words so no jinx.)
Wish they could get some hits off of Bergmann– I thought they would slam him today.
not bad. wouldn’t call it a gem, his control is hit and miss, but he’s been getting outs when he needs them
Thought they would slam A pitcher with a 11.00+ ERA to start the game?
You must have this team confused with another team.
I like this pelfrey better, but why does the offense look good for a while, then suddenly disappear? They hit better aginst the top pitchers out west than against these scrubs.
i blame the home crowd
He just shot the clown!
“you just shot the clown”
Keith Hernandez
classic. hope he keeps calling cohen on his jinxes
It doesn’t matter about the jinx, Willie is going to pull Pelfrey in the 7th after he gives up his first hit, proceed to bring in Heilmian who will give up 4 runs and at the press conference when Willie is asked if it will effect his decision making in similiar tight spots he’ll respond with….
Are you ready??
“NO, HEILMAN IS A BIG PART OF OUR BULLPEN, I TRUST MY GUYS.”
Willie, didn’t you say that last night?
“GUYS, YOU NEED TO TRUST YOUR GUYS, I TRUST HEIL, I WIlL CONTINUE TO TRUST HEIL, HE’S BEEN LIGHTS OUT FOR US.”
Willie, he hasn’t been lights out since 2006.
“I TRUST MY GUYS”
Man, seriously. Chill, step away from the keyboard. It’ll help your blood pressure, which will help you live longer and that means you might live to see the next Mets championship in 2069.
sweet! only 61 years to go! hopefully el duque will be ready!
I think thats when his bunion is due to heal.
Hop off it, Willie Lover!!
Since when do I love Willie?
I’d love to see Pelfrey throw 9 no-hit innings but lose in the 10th 1-0
Guru Jacket won’t allow Pelfry to get past the 8th.
I meant 6th inning.
The fact of the matter is you know the second the Mets give Pelf a lead he’ll implode
Why is it “implode?”
I prefer explode…
Willie: “I just don’t like the way Pelfrey is tossing. I think I’ll get Heilman up. He can finish this game off.”
Speaking of which, is Free Willie aware that there is a man named Pedro Feliciano on this team?
Wow watching Kearns play Right is almost like watching Hundley Play Left…shudder…
Will we see Heilman today?
Next inning….of course!
“I thought Pelfrey was gassed, guys.,” says Willie. “I mean he threw 70 pitches in a day game after a night game.”
“Um, Willie, he didn’t pitch last night,” answers the reporter. “In fact, all he did was sit on the bench.”
“I’m confused,” Randolph replies.
“Willie, um, did you think that a day game after a night game affects everyone?” the reporter asks.
“Yeah…am I wrong?” he answers.
(SILENCE)
“Look, I know my guys,” Willie says with his arrogant tone as he walks out of the room.
Dude, you gotta be careful with the mock conversation. The pro-willie crowd, Willie lovers will jump all over you. See above.
By the way, not to beat a dead horse, but I am impressed by Flores. I don’t know how he projects, but he is still young and looks like he will be a Molina-type catcher.
(I actually think that with Schneider, we have one of the best catchers around from a defensive standpoint, and his offense has been OK so far. Looks like the pitchers love him…)
Delgado wants to be a manager fine…Fire willie, Delgado can manage and lets go out and get Texeira or call up Carp!
Only if Delgado’s little black book was still relevant.
Our team is so old that we don’t really need a manager at all…
delgado wants to manage?!
FINE, keep him on the bench, and play tatis.
he can teach the rest of the team how to hit to the second baseman.
I will die if Pelfrey is the first…
You and me both.
Pelfrey is pitching great.
If Big Pelf does do what were not going to say hes doing so far, every game will be announced from the upper box!
Big Pelf is throwing a no-hitter and Bergmann (he of the 11.00+ ERA) hasn’t allowed a run.
WTF is going on?!?!?!?!
Just wanted to say, Go Big Pelf!, since an onlooker might think from the comments above that the Mets were losing this game.
Geez.
How great would it be if PELFREY threw the only no-hitter in Shea?
lol
how great would it be if he got pulled after 7 innings 95 pitches?
you mean, how great is going to be WHEN he gets pulled after 95 in 7
There have been no-hitters at Shea…just not pitched by the Mets.
well, yeah, thats what I meant
Jesus, this guy has an ERA over 10, I know the Mets lineup blows, but can they at least get a run off this guy?
Boy, the Nats are bailing Pelfrey out somewhat with regards to that pitch count. They’ve had several 1 or 2 pitch ABs following 7 or 8 pitch ABs.
The pitcher I honestly covet is Roy Halladay. No one throws fewer pitches to get a hitter out than he does. It’s such a shame his career has been wasting away north of the border…
test
Reyes took a pitch!
And he struck out on a crappy pitch….Man, he just swings at everything and anything these days!
gotta be able to help yourself, Pelf…
Gotta love Eddie Kranepool calling out Willie. Quite an indictment from the quintessential Met.
Great game so far by pelf. So much for the “he can only pitch tio Schneider” theory.
What did Kranepool say about Willie?
Okay, Jose lets not make it 3 abs 3 pitches 3 outs.
REYES IS A D O G, HE WAS LAST SEPTEMBER AND IS NOW!
Reyes needs to be benched for a couple of games and he needs a meeting with omar and willie to get to the bottom of what his problem is ADD, drugs, alcohol….whatever is caudsing his putrid play. Ever since he was signed to that contract last year he has been dogging it…
Remember the days when we legitimately compared Reyes with Jeter and Rollins? Seems like ages ago
remember how we laughed at phillies fans who claimed that rollins was as good as reyes? boy do i feel stupid.
I never thought anyone could be more overrated than Jeter, but Reyes proved me wrong
Hey, Reyes took some pitches. Way to go.
Everytime this ballclub faces a pitcher they’ve never seen with an ERA over 9, that means 8 scoreless innings against the mets. Don’t even need to watch this team against this type of pitcher. Put Brandon Webb, Hudson or Peavy on the mound though and we’ll put up 3 in the first 2 innings.
Really have to question the quality of the Mets advance scouts.
Can Matt call up the Elias Sports Bureau for this on? I would imagine its a really embarassing stat…
If we compared the Mets hitters AVG from 2006-2008 against pitchers who previously won 15 games to those pitchers they’ve never seen before, I GUARANTEE they hit better off of 15 game winners then the rookies and journeymen with career 8 ERAs.
old guy stealing!
How does Wright have so many RBIs? I never see him get hits with runners on
Jose Reyes…Most Exciting player in Baseball
RIP
2003- September 2007…..
He sucked after the all-star break of last season
He sucked since his benching.
Most exciting man in the reggaetone music video business! Reyes is on drugs, he does E at rave parties and dances to Sean Kingston.
Man, you just totally ruined your gimmick.
Dude, when are you gonna hop off it? Seriously. Your e-blog stalking has reached a new level. Get some help, quickly.
Just having some fun man.
I feel sorry for your life, you want fun? Meet a woman.
Anyone here the guy who called wfan this morning and said Reyes is doing drugs?
Ready for the goldenboy to choke AGAIN with RISP? I love how SHEA gets on everything for choking except the golden boy. They better shower him with boos if he makes an out here.
+1 BOOOOOOO
The guy’s at or near the top of the team in just about every offensive category. He’s also near the top of the league in categories like RBI and OBP and OPS. Not everyone can play like they do on your MLB 2K8 game…
Hey Junior, whats his average with RISP?
Tell me how “top of the league” that is.
DAVID WRIGHT STINKS! WHEN IS IT TIME FOR MET FANS TO START TO GET ON THIS STIFF. HE NEVER GETS A BIG HIT! HE IS TEFLON DW!
Just a question…Why arent we Booing Wright out of the Stadium yet??
Thank You…
I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that he had a great season last year and actually showed up in September. He also has 32 rbis (although god knows how, I can’t remember the last big hit he’s had)
Wright accumulates a lot of AROD rbi’s… with big leads or a big defecit. Anything remember Wrights LAST walk off hit? How about even a go ahead hit in the 9th on the road? Anyone?
oh please
wack-jobs are out en mass today.
let’s go mets! big pelf!
Today?
Haha, good point.
yeah it must be tough for the mets to play in front of all those angry school kids
i meant you
i’d say you should be managing, willie, but we’re better off with you online
It’s actually too bad the Mets can’t hear the school kids. It probably would be a pleasant change. But alas the kiddies are in the upper decks.
Of course the first Met no hitter will happen while I’m stuck at work.
I secretly hope Big Pelf doesn’t do it. Sorry, just being honest.
I wouldn’t worry about it
Shame on you.
“See what happens when you throw strikes?”
NO ONE SAY THE 2 WORDS PELFREY IS DOING RIGHT NOW!
It’s already been said about 15 times already in these exact comments, pay attention.
Gary shut up!
too late
You guys obviously don’t know Cohen, he’s notorious for stating “the first 15 retired,” “hitless through 6,” “the first 18 retried” before going to every commercial break during this special time.
Zen im not saying anyone deserves to be booed, but if Fans are going to boo on bad performance,, why is Wright exempt, last 2 weeks hes been Horrid!
Over the last 7 days he’s hitting .348 with a homer, 4 RBIs, and 5 runs scored. What are you talking about?
don’t interrupt their rants with “facts”!
my bad
er, lemme make up for it… Heilman sucks, fire Willie, booooooooo, Ruben Gotay and Brian Bannister are Hall of Famers, Freddie Coupons, Delgado is old… how’s that?
much better
Can we please get a freaking run for this guy
oh puhleez , boo shmoo
Man, Pelfrey.
I should just stop watching this game now. I’m getting false hopes. I mean this is Mike Pelfrey.
not a word from here on out……
Does it matter if Pelfrey does it in 9? I mean, does anyone honestly think we can string a run together off of BERGMAN in the next 9 outs?
yup, it doesn’t count until the game is over
I’m affraid if we put a few on the board that we will jinx Big Pelf
where’s the mouthpiece?
he decided he didn’t like it…been pitching pretty well without it…glad it’s gone
Does he have the mouthpiece in or out today?
out
out.
Gosh, just imagine how much better Pelf could be doing with Schneider in there. Oh, wait…
Well, we’re through the 6th. Time to get somebody up in the pen in case Pelf allows a baserunner.
Wouldn’t be surprised if Pelf were to pitch a no hitter thru 9 innings and the Mets not get a run for him! Almost. Only good in bombs, horseshoes, and the NY Mets.
horseshoes and hand grenades…..
So, hypothethically, is it possible that if the current state of affairs continues (or we have to pinch hit in the 8th), could Willie put it Wagner to close it out in the 9th?
is there anything that moron would do that would surprise you?
this offense is just a disgrace
Shame we can’t even score 1 run off this bum, it was totally predictable though.
Wright has not done a thing since Saturday April 19 in Philly. Trace the numbers. he was on fire that weekend and that has been it.
this is getting crazy…a mets pitcher going more than 6 innings…is randolph asleep at the wheel??? yank pelf! can’t we at least pinch hit for him so endy chavez can ground out?
lol
Man, if this goes 9 innings at 0-0 and Pelf is still on his game, MASS CHAOS SHALL ENSUE!
Willie will yank him hitless after he walks 2 in this inning because “he was really tiring.”
This lazy, pathetic offense of willie’s can’t even get a run for a guy who is pitching his heart out! Typical, tired, lazy looking malaise of a dead team…..no life, no fire, ground outs, strike outs, pop outs…..fire HoJo along with Willie…get rid of the entire coaching staff
Come on Willie. Let’s take Pelfrey out and bring in Heilman..
yeah, that’s the way to be tough Delgado
And Delnoto K’s yet again.
I feel a Petey situation coming on. Pelfrey will get robbed out of the biggest accomplishment a pitcher can have because this team fails to put a run together off of a pitcher with a 9ERA.
If Willie blows this somehow, can he please be fired on the spot?
Is Bergmann throwing junk… does he have anything on his pitchers or do the Mets just look lost?
Haven’t been keeping up with the thread, and will probably get attacked for this, but why would any pitcher, on any team, anywhere throw a fastball to a Met hitter. They flail at slop like starving sows. Maybe HoJo (notorious first ball fastball hitter in his day) should be let go. . . .
just get it over with Pelfrey, let me feel the pain now
thanks
Arrrrrrrrrrrgggghhhh
how ironic would it be if the Mets offense blew a chance for a rhymes with schmo-bitter today?
never mind then…that’s what happens when you’re following the game at work. At least he’d already given up the hit by the time I posted that, so no jinx!
Okay, put Heilman in now. Sigh.
Is Gary intentionally trying to mention it as often as possible??\\
And thats that
C’est la vie…
There goes that
so, now that he’s given up a hit…what? a FOUR run inning for the Nats?
Maybe the oh-so-sensitive Met hitters will stop “pressing,” and actually hit some of the slop they’re getting.
Now the Mets can concentrate on losing this series
AARON BLEEPIN BOONE! HERE COMES HEILMAN
Thanks Gary.
Good job, Big Pelf. Nicely done. I wish I had my Go Big Pelf shirt on here at work . . . in Philly.
That should just about do it. Pelf falls apart, bullpen will make it out of reach.
Every team should start a random minor leaguer against the mets. Is it me, or do these type guys always clamp down on this team.
Cueto.
BOOOO
The mets can’t hit any pitcher they haven’t seen before with an ERA over 8, this is common knowledge. I’m thankful that Ian Kennedy is pitching tonight, otherwise he would have gone 8 scoreless against us tomorrow.
That throw out should erase the hit. Too bad…
RAMON!
Man, that .640 OPS sure would fit in great on the Mets. The LMillz lovers can at least admit one thing: he wasn’t ready to play every day.
nice throw ramon!
Castillo credit on that tag….nice play.
At least I didn’t miss the no-no stuck at work, would have never gotten over that, glad boone got the hit. Look at the bright side, HERE COMES HEILMAN! Can we bring him in the 6th instead of 7th? That way we’ll have four 1-2-3 innings to try to make up for his destruction.
I agree about the no-no. Oh, well.
Ok I want to see some serious pinch hitting going on to try to rally for a damn run. Alou better be coming off the bench to pinch hit..
All you pessimists think every negative comment is clever. It’s just so boring. Watch the game. Root for your team. You’ve got a great pitcher’s duel going on here. Enjoy it. Or STFU.
Willie Lover.
Dude..you’re the one that wants the Mets to lose here…so you can get your pathetic way….stfu
I can’t get my way heh? My way would be to win a championship, but it looks like you’re content with playing .500 baseball for the past 150 games? Dude. Please stop using “stfu” it shows how unintelligent you really are and you counter points with statements that are irrelevant.
Agreed, and so do many of us.
Big Pelf has gone 7 strong, and counting. 89 pitches. This is simply an awesome start for Pelf, and I’m enjoying it.
Buddy, if you can’t handle a few negative comments about a team that can’t score against a pitcher with an ERA in the stratosphere and is at risk of losing 3 of 4 at home to the dregs of the league, you need help. If this is so boring, leave. Otherwise, refute the posts, don’t just condemn the posters. Today is OBVIOUSLY a mixed bag thus far. Happy and excited for Pelf, flummoxed by the utterly hapless Met offense.
Thanks.
THROUGH 7…NICE JOB BIG PELF….
Come ON — get Pelf a freakin’ win here!
This is turning into a grueling game of who wants it least!
Yeah, it’s a lazy getaway day. Although the mets are only going across town, so they have no motivation to get away. This will go into extras IF and only IF we don’t see Heilman until the 10th or beyond.
Just about. I mean, I love pitchers’ duels…but it’s a guy with an ERA over 10! C’mon!
Wow! Big Pelf can go another inning maybe?
Due up third this inning….if it’s not a sacrifice situation, i’m sure he’s gone.
such a shame… Vargas didn’t deserve the L last night… and Big Pelf def deserve a W here
Only 91 pitches so maybe.
Not with “Quick Hook Willie” in the dugout…
I’m sorry, any pitcher that has an ERA of 8 and pitches against the mets for the first time? 8 scoreless & 10 Ks. Thats more like it. UNHITTABLE BERGMAN KOUFAX.
when a pitcher with a bloated ERA come pitch against the Mets automatically becomes a CY Young contender!
grrrrr
I wouldn’t go that far, they go RIGHT BACK to being garbage in their next start against the cellar dweller.
What is up with castro? He doesn’t have a hit since being activated! This sucks since Schneider is swinging the bat well…
Not like he has had many chances to get in a groove. Gotta get him in there more often.
He should go until he tires out. Not until he reaches a pitch limit.
Problem is that he is due up this inning
Great job by Pelf. He didn’t implode/explode after giving up the hit and then hitting a batter.
7 great innings!
Let’s see if the offensive players are up to doing anything.
Great job by Pelf today when we needed it! Cant say much for the hitters though. Lets get the kid a win!
Well, so much for that.
Is this back to back solid starts for him?
89 pitches thru 7… ahhh, that’s the good stuff…
sweet! the kids gonna bat!
Pelf is up batting, anyone care to retract their comments?
willie probably doesn’t want to go to his guy heilman until the 9th
gotta get him going
I am OK with Willie saving Heilman for the 14th or so :)
I’ll retract mine. Regardless of what goes down, this is great for his confidence.
Interesting how both pitchers have about the same pitch count.
Bergmann has 8K’s— unbelievable.
Nice inning Mets!!!
this is a good game glad for pelfrey
If Pelfrey gives one up next inning (and I hope he doesn’t), how soon will the first Willie criticism be posted (”he gave up 2 baserunners last inning. He obviously lost it! Willie is an idiot!) Over/under: 30 seconds.
^^ Willie Lover.
castillo wasn’t running on the kearns error, that’s the difference in this game right now
so yeah, it’s on willie
Oh please. . . That is the most ridiculous comment you’ve made over the last two days.
This dude has lowered his era by 4 runs. Geez!
Maybe it’s because he has very few innings. . . Hmmm clamor about the 11 ERA until you realize his sample size is incredibly small.
And he throws slop, which the Mets CANNOT HIT to save their lives.
Fire HoJo!!
HERE COME HEILMAN
Here comes the run that will end it. Man on 2nd, 0 out.
Other than the pitchers i looks like nobody wanted to play today. Awful approach by the Mets. Do they ever have a game plan against these struggling pitchers.
keith “you can bet your sweet bibby he’s gonna bunt”
They better not loose 3 of 4 to the Nationals…. This is just mind boggling…
Welcome to the suck.
Yeah, no one’s ever done that!
why not walk Lopez here? set up the DP….
Ah, right…forgot, this is Willie we are talking about.
Nice job keeping him in Willie!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Game over. PUT IT IN THE BOOKS!
And there is your ballgame folks.
What a hard luck loss this is going to be for Big Pelf.
…as a matter of fact, if the mets do not score in the bottom of the inning and get Pelf the win, I’m going to Yankee stadium to boo everyone I see tomorrow night. Mets fans, Yankees fans, Santana, Ed Kranpool, Gary Cohen, etc.
Dude, the Yankees are playing 500 ball with their roster on the DL, using a roster full of back ups and triple A/double A players, we’re playing to the same tune in a much weaker division with a roster full of “superstars,” although some have mentally traded in their cleats for a pair of reggaetone addidas classics.
Dude, I was kidding anyway. Shouldn’t you be in jail?
Vargas and Pelfrey back to back days good pitching wasted. Really shameful. I feel the good ole’ grassroots FIRE WILLIE MOVEMENT has gained a few more supporters this afternoon?
What exactly did Willie do wrong in this game? It looked to me like All Star Mets couldnt hit a(nother) bad pitcher?
Willie is a macro problem. Big picture is that this team can’t get anything consistent going. This game is no different.
Maybe if the manager benched someone other than his favorite whipping boy (Reyes) for making awful boneheaded plays, the Mets would play with more urgency.
Maybe if Willie didn’t rip players that are contributing (Pagan) the team wouldn’t constantly lay down and die around him.
Maybe if Omar did the right thing and fire the manager that was at the helm of last year’s debacle and the 2006 playoff debacle, the Mets would play up to their talent level.
Being a winning ML manager is soooo much more than making pitching changes (which Willie consistantly botches) and lineup moves. Willie is just not an effective leader of men.
Okay so they get an easy run. I still leave Pelfrey in. If the Mets can’t score a run, they aren’t going to win anyways.
Lets Go Mets, Show some Heart and win this one for this kid who pitched his ASS off!! Score some damn runs next inning!
Guys, I’m at work, tell me Aaron is AT LEAST warming?
wise is coming in…no sight of aaron
I wonder why….
nah, we need to get aaron going so now i’m gonna have him close instead of billy
nice little rhythm
Don’t yank him willie
New Mets slogans for this season
The 2008 Mets, Welcome to the Suck.
Not only is Aaron warming up, he is warming up both lefthanded and righthanded.
I agreed with keeping Big Pelf in until this spot and I agree with pulling him right here.
A 3-4 homestand before going on the road for the Yankees and Braves, very nice!
Is Willie going to left Pelf finish the inning?
even right now I STILL wouldn’ t take him out…what’s the point? let him get the out…please quick show of hands who agrees with me
have some faith in the team
I do, faith they aren’t scoring today.
seriously…ever since Metsblog got big exposure all these jokers came in, and intelligent commetary went flying out the window. I don’t understand why these people bother watching games and posting here. I’m as diehard as the next guy, but have some faith…sheesh. Clearly most of them weren’t watching between 2002-2004.
or the mets started completely sucking
but let’s go with your theory lol
Plus I’m not saying I’m satisfied with things at all…I am very frustrated it, but I still pull for the jersey. As long as Willie has the blue and orange, I will pull for him. He’s not the best guy, and yes he makes questionable moves. I’d also welcome the addition of a better equipped manager. However, I’m not going to take every opportunity to blast him, because it’s pointless. As long as he’s here, you’ve gotta support the guy.
Oh, the years that our payroll was 45 million opposed to 2ND IN THE MLB?!?!?! Yeah, those years.
actually those teams had a payroll of $100M plus.
“Faith” is “intelligent commentary”? I’m no fan of incessant, tiresome Willie-bashing, which is just noise, but I don’t see a lot of “intelligent commentary” from either side. You can intelligently pick apart what’s wrong with the team. Plenty to work with.
Well I guess my post was a little confusing. I’m not saying faith is intelligent commentary…This used to be a forum for rational debating over our team…Now it seems like with every loss, the board becomes a place for unabashed Willie hating. All I am saying is that the people who are so negative need to not be so rash when discussing the team.
You’re very right. Unfortunately, they have a point (this time), even if they can’t articulate it. The manager usually isn’t the problem. Here, it actually might be. Hence, the mob smells blood.
But you can articulate that point without sounding like a jack@$$
Some people can, some can’t. Doesn’t change the underlying fundamentals that the team is a .500 team for about a year now and that nobody was held accountable for The Collapse. This leads to short tempers. Understandably so.
yes, or between 1962-68. Or 1977-83. Or 1991-96.
So, because the Mets have really, really, really stunk, we should all be happy when they just sort of stink?
not at all. just trying to have a sense of humor about baseball. that is what it is, not life and death.
I look at it the other way. It’s the people who can’t deal with any “negativity,” whatsoever who are taking it too seriously. Obviously, a lot of it is repetitive and tiresome, but so are the nagging comments about “believing in the team,” etc.
Well, if they would start winning a bit that would fix everything. :-)
Name one instance where this club instilled faith in you post 06 Endy Chavez catch?
Faith is bull.
I hope they’re not booing Pelf.
Booing Randolph and the team in general. They are so not fun to watch
Great job Pelf. Even if you get the L, awesome job.
Big Pelf is a hero. Willie is a thug.
Willie very fortunate this is a day game with all the kids’ groups. A night game with adult beverages would mean he’d get booed off the field again like last night.
Great effort by Pelf. Too bad the offense mailed this one in.
I’m booing him from my desk in Manhattan. The kid pitched his heart out, let him try and get Zimmerman and walk off confident, it’s not like the Mets are gonna score anyway.
Ahhh…i see.
fire rick down!
free chip ambres!
Rick Down? Are you serious?
We can’t hit slop. That’s a problem that’s going to haunt us. It may be that HoJo is in over his head. Sorry.
Randolph is an idiot. What is the upside of taking Pelf out here?
He’s trusting his guys. Duh?
Did they boo Willie today?
Willie’s fresh toasted.
Willie’s had a better career selling advertising for a sandwhich shop then selling a winning product in Queens.
nah…they were cheering big pelf…
nice k!
Come on now, top of the order, lets get a run here!!
He’d thrown 100 pitches. Willie kept it a 1 run game. I’d call that good managing.
i’d call the guy on first not hustling his way home on an error bad managing
Interested in what Reyes does here
Ready for the reggaetone 3 pitch strike out?
I’m sorry but there is something going on behind the scenes.. This team is not playing anywhere remotely close to their potential. How long does this have to go on for? Something is rotten in the big apple and I think its in Willies pants.
that coming from a Dr.
+1
Guys, we couldnt ask for anything more from Big Pelf..he did a stellar job…
Top of the order…lets wake up please!!!
Okay, number of pitches it takes Jose to make an out this ab. Over/Under: 3
Why so pessimistic!!! ;)
the bright side is every embarrassing loss is one game closer to a competent manager
Ravi3 get off ur high horse! This team deserves this criticism!! They have been Mediocre at best! We have a right to be angry with the way they have performed! Just because a comment is negitive doesnt make it invalid!
Come on Jose, get it started.
It’s easy to second guess and it’s hard to say whether you can fault Willie because he did the opposite of what he did yesterday (which seems to be what everyone wanted) but the bottom line is he just can’t seem to get it right.
For someone who always “trust his guys” his feel for when to take guys out and leave them in seems to be wronge every single time.
Everybody was saying that they need to win this game desperately. Well then you don’t let Pelfrey bat in the 7th with two strikes. You need to put a hitter up there. Guys like Wise, Joe Smith, and Sanchez are supposed to be able to go 1 inning. Pelfrey is not supposed to go 8 innings. If they were winning it’d be a different story.
I predict the final score Mets5-Nats 1
Can Sean Paul just take the out instead of embarrassing himself looking like Tiger Woods from the rough?
there you go. please steal second.
The ignitor is on!!
Come on offense, get Pelf off the hook! Cant believe we might lose 3/4 to the Gnats.
oh my god, no
BUNT!!!!!!!!!
WHAT THE HELL WAS HE THINKING!
here we go…now bunt him over Castillo.
Whoa. Reyes got on!
no, that did not just happen
Another bonehead play, geez
Jose Jose JOse Jose jdklfjsdlkfj
Don’t bunt here… we know castillo isn’t very good at getting it down this inning, he’s heating up with the bat, hit and run!
Horrible decision. He scores from 2nd anyway on most any basehit!
he doesnt score from second on a sac fly though. hits haven’t exactly been plentiful today
True. Still a stupid decision. If you want him on third w/ one out, have him steal 2nd, then sac him to third.
I don’t believe what I just saw (well.. heard).
Reyes use your head bumblehead. . . Sheesh, what did he really expect?
Reyes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
incredible!!!
Okay. Now I’m a little mad.
Can someone explain that to me?
what happened, my gamecast stopped?
It exploded because there is no way to describe what happened.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BUNT DOUBLE PLAY
YOU CAN’T MAKE SH*T LIKE THIS UP
CASTILLO THE GREAT AND INCREDIBLE BUNTER
REYES THE MASTER OF THE BASEPATHS
WILLIE, LORD OF THE CLUBHOUSE
GET YOUR TICKETS NOW BEFORE I BURN MINE!
THE 2008 METS!
what the hell just happened?
Somebody thats watching please explain what just happened with that bunt?
Castillo laid down a perfect bunt, Jose thought (and I use that term loosely) he should try for third because the catcher wasn’t covering….but Guzman ran over, caught the throw, and tagged Jose out about a mile in front of the bag.
you dont want to know…
Castillo laid down the sac bunt; out at 1st, Reyes to 2nd, then Reyes decided to be cute and try for 3rd and was tagged out.
well that was fast
The upside of pulling Big Pelf is he started giving up hits in a row in a 1 run game and was tiring out.
That was seriously ill-advised on part of Reyes. Down 1 in the bottom 8 is not the time to be cute.
I didn’t see it, but if Gameday has it right, Reyes needs a cranial MRI.
Biggest bonehead in the game. That can not happen.
Like I said, Castillo can’t get it down.
?? Castillo laid down a perfect bunt. Jose was the culprit there.
i don’t care!
the bunt is the WRONG PLAY THERE!
Dykstraw, I agree, but I just didn’t understand Pacman’s assertion that Castillo didn; get the bunt down.
what are you talking about
I feel like curling up into the fetal position and sobbing at this point.
This is why everyone boos and is negative.
there is a distinction between being aggressive and stupid. Reyes was stupid.
Of course, I think it was stupid to sacrifice anyway. Let Reyes steal, and have 3 shots at getting him in.
Of course, if he stays at 2nd, DW wasn’t getting him in anyway.
Reyes is hopeless now. He needs some serious head work.
Oh, and there are your boos for DW!
What a great inning!
Wow, even with the kids day, they were roundly booed after that half-inning. Surprising, if deserved.
Oh this just keeps getting better. David Wright, what the hell
This is too painful for words.
If they lose 3 out of 4 to the Nationals at home, they have to make a managerial change…
There really is no choice….
hey hey ho ho….hojo has got to go….we cant lose 1-0 to jason bergmann and have him keep his job….somehow a lot of you will blame Willie here, but he got Pelf to do his thing this whole season has been about lack of hitting….see ya Hojo.
The mets are 4th in the NL in runs scored. That’s not the problem, it’s bonehead plays, bonehead teaching by the skipper that led to that last blunder.
The Mets can be 1st in runs scored and still be in last place. How can that happen? The offense is so mind bongling inconsistant! When the pitching is good, the hitting is dead and vice versa. Someone has to step up and be more consistant besides Church!!
Let me guess, Keith was praising how well the Nationals turned that dobule play? He gets more upset when the visiting team does something stupid than our own team.
Ok all you MUST ALWAYS BE POSITIVE UR SPOILING METSBLOG WITH UR NEGITIVITY FANS!! TELL ME WHAT WAS POSITIVE ABOUT THAT INNING!! This team is going to be right there with the Marlins all year, that much is certain, too bad it will be fighting for third place 8 games behind the phills and braves all year. PATHETIC, OMAR AND WILLIE MUST GO
The Willie lovers are in hiding. LETS HEAR YOUR PESSIMISIM IS BAD PREACHING NOW!!!
Oh, c’mon give me a break here! Jesus. I’m sure the Mets losing will make you happy because you were “right”. Because that is the most important thing. Making your snarky comments and being right. Not actually rooting for your team.
lol, no, the mets losing will make me happy because willie is one step closer to the cliff
Fine and we’ll bring in Art Howe again. And you know what? Heilman will still suck. Delgado is still done. Alou is still old. Pedro and El Duque are still hurt.
I’m not saying he doesn’t face any blame but I don’t see how a new manager is going to fix those things.
+1000000000000!!!!! 3 of 4 to the nats and getting swept by the lowly depleted yankees = willie’s head on a silver platter WILPONS!! MAKE IT HAPPEN!
if you’re going to jump off the bandwagon then stay off for the whole year…its that simple
no, it isn’t. willie needs to go. that’s what’s simple.
I’m not watching the game (at work), so I can only follow the action online, but I’ll take a stab at it. Here’s what was positive about that inning:
1) Reyes got a hit.
2) Castillo laid down a perfect sacrifice.
Wasn’t so hard…
This is an injustice to our starting pitchers!
For those who can’t see it. Castillo sacrificed REyes to second. He was out at first. Reyes thought he could make it to third becasue Zimmerman charged the ball. He was tagged out on the throw from Boone to the SS before he got to third base. I think that is what I just saw but I was in disbelief.
he negates the decision to bunt by trying to make 3rd.
there is always the bottom of the 9th remain optimistic you win and lose some and it still aint september
Very True.
Well, here’s the good news. This is Willie’s a**
Mets are 5 for 29 with RISP in this series…….
Castillo bunt to 3B, Zimmerman came in to field and throw to 1st and was not covering 3rd. Reyes sees that and rounds 2nd, Guzman, the SS, chases Reyes to the bag, grabs the throw from first and tags him in his back just before he got to the base.
And apparently Reyes didnt hustle to 2nd and while rounding it before turning on the jets.
This team is playing like cellar dwellers, not a powerhouse. Pelf gives us a huge game and this happens. I’m at work, but I can GUARANTEE that Reyes won’t pay attention to a word Willie tells him.
Well, I’ll write this before all of the “sky is falling” posts come after the game…
I’m no “Fire Willie” guy, but they are starting to drift into the territory of having change for change’s sake. This team should have come out of the gate with fire in it’s collective belly. It has not. Something needs to be done, and I think it may fall on Willie. Now, I don’t know if it is the right thing to do to get rid of the Jacket and the rest of the staff, but I think we might need a spark plug type of guy to push this team. I don’t know if something like this can happen, but could we steal Tony Pena from the Yankees?
well, when willie gets fired that will be the reason. only the most ardent willie-bashers think things will actually improve considerably. I’m not sure it will matter.
can’t hurt, and it would buy the rest of the team a great deal of rope
Lee Mazilli, Frank Robinson, heck even Larry Bowa would do just fine. Bowa would break golf clubs off over people’s kneecaps in that clubhouse.
Reyes doesn’t try that if Willie was even close to a big league manager.
Yeah I think you are completey wrong about that – I love how those who want Willie gone find a way to blame Willie for EVERYTHING.
Has anyone noticed this terrible economy lately? I mean, it’s got to be because Willie is stll managing the Mets.
I’m not crazy about Willie right now either, but blaming everything on him really reflects your intelligence as a fan…
how is it Willie’s fault that Reyes and Wright have sucked donkey balls all year long….the two of them need to sit and get it together as 23 other guys and a whole coaching staff are about to pay the price
It is not Willie’s fault that they are not hitting….
But Willie is an awful in-game manager. That is why he needs to go.
Willie needs to go regardless. This team needs a change, and that’s when you can the manager. Right or wrong, it’s just what you do.
donkey balls, that’s a riot!!
I’ll give the Mets this much. They are very creative. Never the same way to lose twice. Similar but subtle differences.
Sunshiners, we need you…there is a line on the Triboro waiting to jump…
Time to take away all Mets fans shoe laces and belts.
haaa.. even therealsince86 is speechless right now….
You can’t blame this game on Willie, Omar, HoJo, Keith Ron or Gary….
I don’t know how you possibly justify trying to take third there in a 1-0 game in the 8th. If the Mets loose today, I say this one is mostly on Reyes
Isn’t it part of Willie’s job to teach the kid the fundamentals and how to play smart baseball? isn’t also part of his job to motivate his guys to play better than have a losing seven game homestand against two last-place dregs of the NL type teams?
That said, definitely a lot of blame on Jose, the offense in general, etc.
Why is Castillo bunting there??? You have Jose Reyes the best base stealer in baseball on first and you are bunting him over. It is a waste of an out.
It also makes no sense to have Wise pitching here in the 9th when you have your closer available.
We are about to lose 3 out of 4 to the Nationals, Willie has to go.
Agreed. I have never liked bunting with Reyes on 1st. To me, it is a waste.
I don’t have a problem with the bunt, per se. Would I rather see a hit and run with one of the fastest guys in the league and a slap hitter? Seems to make sense. But hey baseball IQ is overrated right?
baseball IQ nothing. the percentage play is to swing away, steal or no steal.
giving away outs is almost always stupid.
Alright guys…I give up……Fire Willie…We have no choice…
Heilman warming.
sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad sad.
a pathetic showing.
what’s the payroll?
this is weak.
How did Boone just advance to third on a line drive to the pitcher. Please tell me my gamecast is wrong.
it was more of a line drive to the pitcher’s thigh….took some recovery time.
It bounced off of Wise’s leg,
murph, yeah id let reyes steal too however castillo did his job and got reyes to second and reyes ran them out of the inning…in a 1-0 game you MAKE SURE you get to second not chance it at stealing, and he did and Willie actualyl made the right call and reyes f’d it up
however…if i were coach i woulda tried to let him steal first, but thats why i’m on a couch and hes a manager.
This is sad. I thought they’d come out today and pound the Nats, take a 9-2 win and at least go 4-3 on the homestand.
Not everything is Willie’s fault, but the fact of the matter is that he has made so many awful decisions he has not merited keeping his job whatsoever.
I don’t know anymore. I am beyond depressed.
All I can hope for is a 9th inning comeback. Beltran is leading it off. Something???
Strike out looking.
Why am I not suprised by this game?
Why do I feel like it’s September 26, 2007?
Is “Jesus Flores” batting a few places in this lineup, or is he actually just fortuitously coming up in every damn big spot.
wait, how does Boone get to 3rd on a line out to the pitcher? Was this another boneheaded play? I hate Gamecast right now…
Ball hit Wise in the leg and it bounced away…was a nice recovery by Wise just to get the batter at first.
ah ok, thanks. Normally I’d be watching this on MLB.tv, but I’m blacked out for the Nats games. Figures they’d play a day game during the week for the one team I can actually watch them play on TV if I weren’t at work.
no-hit wise in the leg. looked like it hurt, too.
Well, we wanted 5-2; looks like we got 3-4…against the Reds and Nats. Can’t wait to play the Yankees and Braves.
yeah, can’t find anything good to say about 3-4. pathetic.
Well, it seems that they have done better against good teams than bottom feeders. Another sign of an underachieving team, they tend to play down to the competition. Or is that a sign of overconfidence?
Come on CHurch. Game winning HR right here!
And P.S. to all the die-hard Minaya-defenders:
Jesus Flores says hello.
Kris Benson says hello back.
Okay guys I figured it out. We need to start betting against the Mets. It’s pretty apparent we know this teams tendencies inside and out. Whether it be mailing it in on getaway days or making below average pitchers look like Cy Young contenders. If we bet big enough and make enough money on this we can pool our money and buy the Mets. One team and one million GMs. We can have Pete Rose be our consultant.
it’s time to FIRE WILLIE RANDOLPH!!
it’s embarrasing and an f-ing travesty that we’re losing 3 out of 4 to THE FREAKING NATIONALS!
it’s not just that but his neverending loyalty to Heilman and Sosa that have f-d up at least 4 games for us so far this year.
Why get rid of Mota when you also have Heilman and Sosa?
Finally, the curse of Flores does not come true!
Wise does his job in a big spot. At least I know my order was right putting heilman last in confidence
Nice job Wise. Now Score a damn run at least, Show some damn Character!!
Beltran & Church back-to-back for the win??
Let’s hope. This team really needs to at least battle this AB. They can’t hang a loss on Pelf without a fight.
Ryan Church will come up huge here…
If God didn’t hate the Mets and give Harris miraclolous powers there, he would have come through big there!
Is there any doubt that Delgado strikes out to end this game?
Big Doubt.
GIDP
You called it! Are you Notradamus or just know the team real well?
Funny, 1/4 of the way through the season and no managerial firings yet.
Even if the Mets pull it off Willie and every coach needs to go.
Beltran! Come on, LETS GO METS!
I have no problem at all having Castillo hit and run there. Bunting him with Reyes on is such a waste. Bobby Cox would never bunt with Otis Nixon or Rafael Furcal on first.
I have no problem with Reyes trying to make something happen but I do have a problem with him not running hard to second. I have a HUGE problem with Castillo costing us a run on the ball Kearns dropped. I would have pulled him after the third out was made.
This team lacks focus (managers responsibility)
This team lacks fire (managers responsibility)
This team lacke urgency (managers responsibility)
Metsblog.com motto should be changed to:
This team lacks focus (managers responsibility)
This team lacks fire (managers responsibility)
This team lacke urgency (managers responsibility)
Most appropriate post of the day, possibly year.
It’s a marathon, not a sprint. Willie doesn’t believe in urgency, focus. If you lose, just come back and get em tomorrow, that’s all. No big deal. It’s a long season.
Best post I’ve ever seen.
It’s only April…wait
This Met fan could really use a walk off.
delgado will never come up big…EVER..no point in even rooting anymore..Game Over
Anyone remember when Beltran stole bases?
Yea, just now.
lol
haha…you called it.
he did, can’t effing believe it
LAST NIGHT AND TONIGHT, WILLIE F’n HARRIS
Willie F’n Harris, Felipe F’n Lopez, Jesus F’n Flores, Ronny F’n Cedeno, Jayson F’n Werth, Carlos F’n Ruiz, Robert F’n Andino…shall I go on?
If I played, it would be Ollie Ollie Oxen F’n Free.
What a catch. Not our week. C’mon Delgado!!!
Let’s get dem Yanks!!
Why isn’t Alou pinch hitting for Delgado? Willie must go +100000
Alou shouldn’t have pinch hit for Delgado. I agree that Castro was the guy he should pinch hit for.
That was a simply incredible play. And it wasn’t even Endy out there.
COME ON DELGADO SAC FLY!!!!!!!!!
did he just get doubled off???? how the f does that happen!
It’s impossible, except in this virtual world we live in here as Mets fans. Never throw a no-hitter and never get a clutch hit. We used it all on Buckner.
You can bet your last dollar that Heilman will be traded in the off season and throw a perfect game in his first start for Kansas City. Don’t worry though, we’ll at least get to laugh at the 2-headed monster at 2nd base of Mark Grudzielanek and Luis Castillo. Can’t wait.
carlos “5-tools” beltran
FLY. BALL. NOW.
Yeah I like that. New Slogan
The Team. The Time. The Lack of Focus, Fire, and Urgency
Gee, maybe in the 8th if Reyes ran, they might have scored!
Nice Beltran. Now CD, get the damn ball in play.
SAC FLY? Dude. It’s delgado, sac strikeout passed ball hopefully?
Way to be optimistic. Save the optimism for July. Training camp is around the corner buddy.
Alou pinch hitting for the catcher, eh?
I swear i thought that Beltran wasnt gonna go to third and i thought that was strike 3. If he doesnt get at least a fly ball hes goin to be booed off the field
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Wow, nobody ever accused you of being able to predict the future…nice name haha.
NO ONE IS NEAR THIRD! SQUEEZE DAMN IT!
RIDICULOUS
FIRE WILLIE FOR NOT CALLING FOR AN OBVIOUS BUNT
THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE
Thought the same thing. 3B is playing shortstop. Never a better time to call the squeeze.
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
Nah, I know…cry.
You can only laugh. I predicted GIDP
Yeah, I’m sure you predicted juuuuust that sort of DP. come on man.
Check the threads. GIDP. It’s in there.
I didn’t predict a first to third bizarre DP. Maybe I should have with the ways this team loses games.
Not only are we bad, but we’re pretty unlucky too.
Game 3 in Philly. Beltran rips the ball with 2 out to shortstop. Eric F’n Bruntlett, who couldn’t field a ground ball all season made a ridiculous play. Stuff like that is the diff between one game over and 8 games. Well, that and an anemic offense and bad bullpen.
Actually your prediction of GIDP is incorrect. He did not “Ground into a Double Play.”
Nice try though.
WOW.
Oh my.
Well, that just plain sucks.
another bang up job from your 2008 New York Mets!
holy crap. Well, willie’s gone.
Wilpon? is that you?
wow….all I wanted was for him not to strike out. I take it back…
Pathetic
Bang up job on this home stand. How can Pelfrey gain any confidence when he throws the game of his life and the offense just rolls over and dies for him. PATHETIC. Im boycotting the yankees series this weekend. No need to watch. Can we trade for Willie Harris?? We could use a few players like him
I guess his .191 average would fit right in.
well, he didn’t strike out.
PUUUUUUUUUUKE
and it only get worse…. I’ll say it again
There is something rotten in the big apple and I think its in Willies pants…
I gotta think this is it for Willie.
This will be a good test to see just how badly the Wilpons want to win
come on now. Every once in a while you will have one, or ten or eighty game like this. It will just make the champagne a little sweeter in the end, or something.
Speechless. Utterly and completely speechless.
Cmon it’s Delgado, he’ll find a way to hit into a double play anytime it’s feasible.
go away pacman.
For real…go play with TO and Tank. You’ll have plenty of time to come back here in early January.
If u described a normal tough loss….it wouldnt compare to this.
this team is hopeless. Do they have any clue how to play baseball?
Those 2 DPs were discusting. And yes, Blame Willie if the team is clueless, and not playing smart baseball.
And dang, Church was robbed.
Get it over with and fire Willie.
Not that they will now, but if the 7 games with NYY and the Braves goes bad, he is as good as gone.
Maybe we’re seeing some parallels with ‘99 here….they went into the Yankees series scuffling, lost the first 2 games and were 27-28, then they fired most of Bobby V’s staff and rolled off a 21-8 streak.
By the way, Im looking at their schedule: that has to be the best team ever to have multiple 7-game losing streaks in a single season.
key word there : Bobby V
do you honestly expect a fraction of the intensity Valentine showed that year??? He had those teams playing way beyond their capabilities.
I should have clarified: maybe this is the point where we fire Willie (b/c they already did the staff shakeup last year) and then the team takes off. Maybe with Bobby V. back as manager pretty please?
Speechless.
I’m done with this for today..just making it worse talking to you guys
Guess I’ll tune into the Rays/Yankees game and watch Kazmir so I will really want to slit my wrists.
What happened on that last play?
low liner to 1B, Beltran broke, and got doubled off.
Delgado hit a scorching line drive to Boone at first. Beltran got doubled off of third. Just bad luck.
Get your Fire Willie t-shirts printed.
It’s better, WE HAVE THE FIRE WILLIE VAN BEING PURCHASED THIS WEEKEND. COME PREGAME WITH THE FIRE WILLIE CREW AT THE MARINA PARKING LOT GETTING DRUNK OFF OUR @$$ <— ONLY WAY TO WATCH THIS TEAM, BEFORE EVERY SATURDAY HOME GAME! COME BY AND SAY HELLO AND WILLIE LOVERS YOURE WELCOME TOO!
Your so pathetic pacman.
FI-RE WIL-LIE!!!
FI-RE WIL-LIE!!!
FI-RE WIL-LIE!!!
FI-RE WIL-LIE!!!
FI-RE WIL-LIE!!!
Tick-tock, Mr. Randolph. Tick-tock.
pink slip, Mr. Randolph. pink slip.
Actually, maybe it’s:
Tick-tock, Mr. Randolph. Tick-tock, tick-tock, brrriiiiing! The bell tolls for thee!
Something needs to happen at this point.
I’ve defended Willie and the coaching staff for the past year, but it’s not working. I don’t care who’s fault it is, people need to lose their jobs and we need to shake things up and try to find what we lost at the end of May 2007.
It’s almost been a full year of .500 baseball, and it’s gone on for far too long.
Welcome to sanity.
NO LUCK
unbelievable.
yanks next. fantastic.
I really hate this team
Willie has to be fired today. My candidates would be Julio Franco, Lenny Harris, and Lee Mazzilli.
Candidates for what? The circus?
hahahahaha…awesome
If Randolph goes, HoJo needs to go too. This team can not hit consistently, and I feel like it started when he took over. Say what you want about him, but the Mets should bring in Gary Carter in some capacity, because at least he has heart. Maybe the Mets will pick something up from him.
I like HoJo but I agree. He has to take the hit for the offense.
Yeah. I really wish he hadn’t screwed up Ryan Church so badly.
hyperion, i agree with you and all about ryan church. he has been fantastic. however, this team will win more games with reyes and wright playing up to their capabilities than it will with church playing as he is.
if you need evidence, see 2006 vs. so far in 2008.
Lets see what the Willie/Mets apologists have to say now. Losing 3 of 4 to the Nats at home? I think I just threw up in my mouth.
This team right now is PATHETIC.
Why? Losing 3 of 4 to the Nats is just like the final month of last season. We are used to it.
Willies only problem is that he keeps putting in Heilman and Delgado to play. Neither of those guys will ever make a big play to help this team win. There both garbage time players and play like it
Well, if Santana really wants to earn his money, go out tomorrow night and pitch a complete game 13 strikeout gem and throw one under Jeter’s chin in the process.
The only reason I am even watching the game tomorrow night is because Santana is pitching. I am disgusted right now. Pelfrey stepped up big time today and they could not even score one run.
I’m going to the game. Don’t know whether I should wear my 86 throwback Reyes or 86 throwback Wright jersey. I think I’ll cut my losses and wear my Shockey blue.
How exactly would that win the game? It would require scoring a run off of a pitcher with a 9ERA without being fanned 10 times! PUUUUUKE! JUMP OFF A BRIDGE WILLIE!!!
Willie had nothing to do with this loss. It was the bats. Or the lack thereof.
Obviously, but that’s not the point. You can’t fire the players. But you can fire the manager to give a wake up call to the players. This team needs a shakeup, and the manager goes. Right or wrong, that’s just how it works in major league baseball.
How many different ways can a team find to lose a game. One day its the bats, the next the bullpen, the next simply playing flat. It doesn’t matter at this point how they lose games, it only matters that it is way too common. Even bad teams find the same ways to lose games we do.
what about gary, keith, and ron as managers and game commentary/play-by-play all at once!?!?!
The clock is ticking on Willie right now, whether we think it is fair or not. it is just a matter of “when” not “if” at this point.
Any bets on the over/under with Willie?
I say June 15.
4:15pm?
we can only hope
I agree with the other poster’s comment. If we dont produce a winning record over the next two series than I think he will be canned. I expect the beat writers to start calling for his head soon. Once Shea starts reguarly booing Willie like they did last night he will be gone. The wilpons won’t tolerate it.
THE WILPONS ARE LITTLE GIRLS MAN, THEYRE SCARED TO MAKE THE MOVE OTHERWISE IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED AFTER THE COLLAPSE, WHY WASNT WILLIE ACCOUNTABLE? WHY IS WILLIE THE COACH WHEN THIS TEAM HAS PLAYED .500 BASEBALL FOR THE LAST 150 GAMES!!! WILLIE IS A GOAT AND A THUG!
74-75 over last 149
Pacman calling someone a thug. I better stay away from Shea. Don’t want to get shot.
……shot by willie.
i’m not gonna say this loss is on Willie…how can it be? we didn’t hit, we pitched GREAT, but I’m for willie firing just to shake up this clubhouse..something…is there a pulse in therE??
Stop with calling us “willie/mets” apologists..were fans just like you
almar1965, that is the stuff that is making metsblog comments section terrible, that you have to have “name calling” no matter what. How bout this? we are all fans, some deal with things one way, others another…..just state your own opinion and thats it
agree 100%
I used to be one who constantly apologized for Willie. Defended him to death out of fairness, even though I wanted Oberkfell as manager originally. But that ship has sailed.
If you are offended by an honest, non-aggressive term like “Willie Apologist”, well then there is nothing I can say to make it better since you seem to get easily offended over something that is no where near the real name-calling that occurs on this blog.
Being called an apologist doesn’t make you any less of a fan. It refers to your opinion, not the person themselves.
The problem is that some people use “Willie apologist” to describe anybody who doesn’t think Randolph is the biggest problem with the team. Like the opposite of whining and screaming is being an “apologist.”
Well I can’t speak for how others define that term, but when I say it, it is more for people who see no wrong with Willie, not those who don’t see Willie as the biggest problem since I can list many more bigger problems than Willie right now (although only a few more).
: )
hyperion4 got it right…its thrown around every other second
I’m not offended easily, i’m annoyed how much this term is thrown around just for not saying “fire willie” in every post. I wouldn’t be surprised if the email signatures of some of these fans is “fire willie”
Its tired
I don’t go around spouting “Fire Willie” like some, but I can see the writing on the wall starting to forumulate, and something will be donje unless this situation turns aorund soon. And by “turning around,” that doesn’t mean taking two steps forward and then two steps back again like the past several days.
A lot is on the line after last season, and I think Willie knows this,…or at least I hope he knows this.
FIRE WILLIE! I’m soooo sick of his rationale and excuses. Can him now and let’s salvage our season. He has become intolerable.
You can fire him now but the odds of that salvaging the season are slim at best. The Jack McKeon stories are few.
mariners went on a great run last year after a managerial change mid season, almost made the WC out of nowhere
houston made the NLCS or WS (forgot which year) after garner took the reins
besides, you can’t let the manager off the hook for player performance all season and then claim a manager change is gonna hurt the team
lol, were only a couple of games out. Season is absolutely salvageable. The key is to make the move sooner rather than later. Right now the season can be saved. In another month it might be to late.
Fire Willy now. I like the guy, I really do. Hes dont a lot for this team. He had a couple good years managing the team, but whatever has happened since the collapse, it should be obvious now that he does not have the facilities/capacity to fix it.
Time for a change.
Yeah salvage was the wrong word. But I don’t think change for change sake does much in the long term. I think there is a short term boost but the problems are the problems.
The PLAYERS have to do it IMO.
PLain and simply… this isnt all willie’s fault, but this team is not responding to him anymore. Even if it were not his fault whatsoever, these guys know he is gone lame duck as can be. Why play for him when he is gonna get fired? This is change for change sake. He has got to go. I say lets just start selling. Rebuild with santana maine and… umm. can we keep wright and reyes in there? I sure hope so… other than that if we can get value back… i mean value as in freaking young guys that even have a remote chance at being starters in the majors…. i say firesale
“Plain and simply… this isnt all willie’s fault, but this team is not responding to him anymore”
EXACTLY.
We can go back and forth about Willie’s lack of managerial acumen on the field, or about his moves, or his stubborness..
What it comes down to at this point is whether he has “lost” this team, much like how Valentine supposedly lost his team.
At that point, if this starts to become apparent, does ownership sit down and seriously deliberate whether a managerial execution is the right thing to do at the right time?
I think so. I don’t think the Wilpons are going to risk alienating the fans with Willie at the helm going to a new ballpark in 2009 if they fail to make the post-season this year and play mediocre baseball, regardless of whom is truly at fault.
The strange thing about this idea is that even if the Mets play this uninspiring, mediocre baseball for the entire season, they’re likely to be in the playoff hunt regardless. There are not many really good teams in the NL, let alone the NL East.
Meet the Mutts, Meet the Mutts, step right up and greet the Mutts….
hey philly fan…you guys have 2 games at hand and are 1 games up in the standings…why not save your gloating for when it matters?
Mets = Gutless
Well, I’ve never been part of the fire Willie crowd until today.
Get him out, bring Bobby V in, and trade Heilman to anyone who needs a starter for a prospect or two to replenish some of what we lost on the farm by getting Santana – a move I completely agreed with but created a bit of a hole in the minors.
Either that, or maybe we can get Colbert to put the Mets on notice?
I love the support for bobby V, but he is under contract to the seibu lions of Japan. We’d have as much luck getting him to replace Willie as Tony Larussa or Terry Francona. Bobby V is not available.
WE JUST WENT 3-4 AGAINST THE WORST TEAMS IN BASEBALL
Is anyone all THAT surprised?
As frustrated and negative that I’ve been this year, I will say I am ABSOLUTELY surprised by this 3-4 homestand. A record of 4-3 is what I expected, that’s what .500 teams do.
A record of 5-2 is what I feel Willie needed to save his job.
But 3-4 is just horrible, especially losing 3 of the last 4 to the Nats. If we can’t figure out how to beat the Nats, than what does that say about us?
I’m so exhausted with this team right now, I cannot compile any other thoughts. They wouldn’t be original anyway.
I voted 5-2 in Matt’s poll as well. However, I assumed it would be 4-3 with an outside chance of 3-4. It is sad, really, but true.
remember Matt’s infamous “What do you want” thread? I stated this:
These guys are men. They are professionals. And they need to find it themselves. If not, then the manager has got to kick them in the ass and help them find it. IF he fails, then find someone who will kick them in the ass. NOT ONE of our everyday players is afraid for his job. SO:
- Give Willie the next 11 games (starting today with game 3 dodgers and ending with the Yankee series) to get this team playing sound, smart, no-holds-barred baseball.
- Anything less than 6 wins equates to Willie being fired (that means they would be exactly at .500).
GIPPER…If my theory from 2 weeks ago holds true, Randolph will be fired after the Yankee Series b/c he will need to sweep them in order to get those 6 wins. But here is the frustrating part…..if they win 2 of 3 this weekend, his job is likely safe despite playing under .500 since returning from the West coast and playing much worse baseball that they were 2 weeks ago.
And that is the frustrating part of a .500 team. You can’t pull the trigger b/c there is still breathing going on.
correction….winning 2of 3 from the Yankees WILL get those 6 wins.
which is even more frustrating.
But I think iif they win 1 game this weekend, and dip below .500, Willie is canned before the ATL series on Tuesday.
If not, than that cat has 9 phuking lives.
We’ll see, man. Let’s hope he’s gone sooner than latr so it isn’t too late to right the ship.
And no one has lost a series to them this year. Oh except, Philly, Atlanta, Chicago, Pittsburgh.
But were those all 4 game series? Losing 3 of 4 is worse than 2 of 3.
so you are OK with being JUST LIKE everyone else? Yep, that’s winning baseball.
You’re a C student, aren’t you?
Yeah, I’m giving up on the season and burning all my Mets gear because they lost 3 of 4 to the Nats.
Where’s that confounded bridge?
Willie has everything to do with this loss…
If Castillo busts on that dropped fly they are still playing… but no he plays just like Willie manages.
I bet both Castillo AND Wright would’ve been busting it if Bobby V was in the dugout. Willie is their “buddy”, but we’ve seen just how much he is motivating his “buddies”.
Are you, whatever your job in your own life, unable to give a good professional effort unless you have a boss or “manager” who tells you to? Do you think your boss should be fired if you can’t summon the effort to do a good job?
I agree that Willie doesn’t seem to be motivating anybody, but players are the ones who should ultimately be accountable for their own laziness. Allocating responsibility for that to the manager is just manufacturing reasons for something people want anyway, firing Randolph.
As has been said many times, you can’t fire 25 players. I was hoping the DFAs earlier this week might light a fire, but apparently not. Managers and coaches get fired unfairly all the time. It is almost always the players’ fault, but somebody has to be held responsible. I think if Omar doesn’t throw Willie under the bus, Fred and Jeff will throw them both under. Sorry Willie, but it’s time.
I’m starting to come around to this point of view. I honestly don’t think that Willie is half as bad as many here seem to beleive, but firing him may be necessary to jump-start this underachieving team.
A lot depends on who would replace him, though. “Anybody but Willie” isn’t going to cut it. In particular, any replacement has to know how to get the most out of Reyes.
I’m truly embarrassed.
You mean you’re not going to wear your Mets gear today?
I’m with you MROSE in the end its only a game. Gratefull during the good times and gracefull during the bad.
thank you
I mean, I know the Mets have been playing terrible for a year now, but jesus, this comments section used to be fun
this team used to be fun
and for me…i don’t know about other people, even when the team used to have troublesome games, it was still somewhat fun in here
I feel now that even with an improved team and a 10 game winning streak, this comments section would still be a downer
the sentiment of the comments section is in direct correlation to level of play of the team the comments are about.
some people aren’t going to be happy unless they’re miserable. i can be critical and do think willie is on the chopping block barring a nice little run but some of these people posting comments are ridiculous (I’m talking to you almar, pacman and many more). You’re down on everything before it even plays out. Delgado’s hit gets into RF there you are singing a different tune. You’re entitled to your opinions. it just so happens that your opinion brings nothing to the table and takes away from the comments section. Whether you like or not there is a lot of season to play and alot of talent on the team. If its so miserable then jump off the bandwagon and stay off.
“some people aren’t going to be happy unless they’re miserable. i can be critical and do think willie is on the chopping block barring a nice little run but some of these people posting comments are ridiculous (I’m talking to you almar, pacman and many more). ”
Whoa! Before you start throwing my name around, make sure you get your facts and argument straight there. I am not “down on everything” as you state. I have posted positive, supportive comments on here many times, and as I said in my previous post, I have defended Willie many times.
And to say that certain opinions bring nothing to the table is a very narrow-minded and shallow argument, as as bad as the extreme negative comments posted here. I can only speak for myself, but my opinions are not aggressive or harsh or brash, unless the thickness of skins here overcome anyone’s abilities to debate in a open forum.
So before you throw my name around with those whom you perceive as “dregs” on this blog, stop, take a deep breath and then think again before you write.
i’m a pro-willie guy and numerous times this year I have questioned his tactics and was even turnign the corner to the fire-willie crowd after last nights Heilman led loss (ie Willie using “my guys”)
However, how can willie be blamed for today? this goes on batters 1-8 with the exclamation on Reyes….pathetic job on professional hitters not hitting bergmann….end of story what lineup is willie supposed to put out there to hit a AAA pitcher? would you have rather seen Anderson Hernandez?
Because he consistantly manages his team to play up or down to their competition.
It’s not really blaming Willie for not hitting, it’s blaming him for failing to get this team out of a 6 month funk of playing .500 baseball.
PREACH ON! This goes back to last year.
Agreed, the offense deserves lots of blame today, but:
1.) Isn’t it Willie’s job to (effectively) teach running out popups like the one that Castillo and Wright dogged – costing the Mets a run and causing Ed Kranepool to lament the lack of managerial leadership?
2.) Isn’t it Willie’s job to teach Jose the fundamentals and smart baseball so he doesn’t make that boneheaded play of trying for third on the sac bunt?
3.) You cannot fire your entire starting lineup.
Can you tell us what Kranepool said exactly? A lot of us are not in front of a TV right now.
I tried, but since I have posted it several times above, it just says “You’ve posted that already” type error.
Agreed. Actually, I’m impressed with how Willie managed this game. He kept Pelfrey in as he should, while everyone in here mocked “There’s Heilman” for about 100 comments. He left Pelfrey go into the 8th. He pulled him when he started falling apart and tiring out, and put in the correct, non-Heilman reliever to end the inning.
He called the sac bunt in the bottom 8, which while some people seem to hate the sac bunt, is a completely appropriate call there. It was executed perfectly, until Reyes decided to get cute.
Earlier, Castillo and Wright didn’t hustle, so I guess they should have been benched for Easley and Tatis?
Bottom 9, he had Alou on deck to hit for Castro, in spite of the comments people hadn’t yet posted but were sure to…”HE WILL NEVER BAT FOR THE PITCHER!”.
There was a sick, sick catch on Church’s hit and a totally flukely DP on a hard hit ball from Delgado.
Wille makes a lot of boneheaded decisions, and maybe “he’s lost the team” — I wouldn’t claim to know — but he didn’t do anything wrong today.
This loss goes to Castillo, Wright, and Reyes.
willie didn’t call for the obvious bunt in the 9th by delgado
if it was so obvious, maybe delgado should have done it on his own again like yesterday.
with 1 out and needing a run to score rather than simply advance, i think i would go with getting the ball into the air, rather than down. your idea may also have worked, but a sac fly is not ridiculous in that situation.
that is not an obvious bunt situation at all. and delgado is not castillo when it comes to bunting.
If you think that was an “obvious bunt” situation for Delgado, I respectfully suggest that you don’t know baseball.
Delgado is as likely to miss or foul off a bunt attempt as succeed. Why put him in a hole against a quality closer. As it is, he hit the ball very hard, and only a combination of bad luck and (understandable, in my view*) overaggressive baserunning kept the Mets from tying the game.
*I can’t fault Beltran too much for the baserunning play because Delgado’s hit looked like it could have been a one-hopper. If it’s a one-hopper, Beltran can only score with a good jump off third. If he fails to score on a one-hopper with one out and the Mets lose, he would have been booed off the field. He probably should have been more cautious, but I can’t really fault him for what he did. On the whole, he’s an excellent baserunner.
Backinbusiness,
You are correct, Willie did fine with the pitching moves today. It’s shocking, but it happens!
Agreed, Jose, DWright and castillo deserve much blame, and i am ticked at them all,…..but:
–You say “Earlier, Castillo and Wright didn’t hustle, so I guess they should have been benched for Easley and Tatis?”
I say, possibly. Why is it appropriate for Jose last year but not Castillo and DWright this year? More importantly, even if they do not get benched, isn’t it Willie’s J-O-B to teach his players to run out all popflys in the first place?
For that matter isn’t it his job to teach Jose to play smart fundamental baseball and not “get cute” by going for third on that sac?
I honestly ask these questions because I honestly do not understand how you gloss over them in your analysis.
Well, I’m not sure pulling guys for not running out balls is the best way to get through to them, since it hurts the team in the process. Just because Willie did it last year to Jose, it can’t have been wrong then or now? He has to bench every single guy forevermore because he did it to Jose in a different season?
I don’t think players should need to be “taught” to run out ground balls and pop ups. We run them out in my slow pitch softball league, for crying out loud. Neither should Jose need to be taught not to go 1st to 3rd on a routine sac bunt.
Maybe Willie has “lost the players.” Maybe Jose was trying to be too helpful. There is very little in-game that Willie could have done to stop those errors today.
I agree players shouldn’t need to be taught the fundamentals. However, isn’t it apparent that they need to be so taught. Whether it is something we think they should have learned when they were 8 year old is besided the point if they aren’t doing it.
Sadly, I think your attitude is Willie’s. “Players know these things, just like I knew them. Therefore they don’t need to be taught/coached the fundamentals.” If they exhibit vidence of not knowing such things, you have to change that attitude and actually coach them.
Yes, in-game wise, there is little Willie could have done. But doesn’t his job include off-field instruction, coaching, etc?
Maybe we’ll just have to agree to disagree. I certainly blame the players today, but that doesn’t excuse the manager.
I totally agree. Yesterday is Willie’s fault. He should have put Heilman out there at all. But today it is the fault of the players.
I am also a Willie supporter, but starting to lose patience. He claims have help Manning turn things around. Why cannot he do the same for his team. And Reyes, what was he thinking running to third in the 8th.
I wonder how long Willie will last?
Fire Rick Down!
It’s his fault they’re losing isn’t it?
Oh, wait…we already blamed him.
Exactly. So, it’s time to fire the guy above hitting coach in the pecking order.
…some people never learn. I’m not going to post my Rick Down rant, and talk about how the culeless fans drove him out of here, without any knowledge how how much he meant to Reyes, but the point is, randomly firing guys in the middle of the season DOES NOT WORK! And in most cases, it does more harm to the team than good (see: Rick Down.)
And keeping Willie HAS worked?!????
3-4 at home vs cellar-dwellers.
And now the “Value” tickets are done, so watch your met tickets go up 30-40% over the summer.
two value games vs washington in september, get ‘em while you can!
” A leader needs to preach, He needs to preach, to those that are following, and what he is preaching, must be his belief. You must repeat and you must repeat until its understood”
Bobby Valetine
FIRE WILLIE BRING BACK BOBBY V AND AGBAYANI!!! AGBAYANI CAN PLAY 1ST BASE FOR THIS CLUB ANYDAY!!!!
Someone’s off their meds now.
the 2nd half 2008 Mets left side of the infield – Damion Easley & Fernando Tatis!!!!!!
they cant be any worse.
Bobby V was a horrible manager and cost us 5 of the 6 years he was here with his nonsensical moves, sitting players who were hot and making way to many changes, his players hated him and if it wasnt for 2000 he woulda been fired no later than 01, get this nostalgia out of your head
In 5 years we will all be remembering Art Howe as a savior too I guess
You know not what you speak.. get a clue brah..
Who’s Art Howe?
Preposterous. Players may have hated Bobby V personally, but he was a tremendous manager who got the most out of a so-so roster. In other words, he was the opposite of Willie in all respects.
“Bobby V was a horrible manager and cost us 5 of the 6 years he was here with his nonsensical moves,”
Horrible manager? I am not going to sit here and say BV was the greatest manager ever, but to say he was horrible is crazy.
Lets just put it this way, he did more with less than Willie has.
ok. i get it . you are just saying things to get a reaction.
ha ha ha. cool. great job.
The Mets NEED to fire Willie Randolph, today.
The team has stopped playing for him. He is a constant reminder of the 2007 collapse, and a new voice is needed. Not to mention someone we need someone with a baseball IQ better than a mouse.
Totally agreed. A mouse could make a double switch as effective as Willie, point is a mouse wouldn’t be able to make one either, so Willie = A mouse. Remember the ump that had to “teach” willie how to properly make a double switch in game?
how could I forget? I have it saved in my memory bank everytime a “homer” tries to argue that the guy is a decent manager.
So every game we lose is a constant reminder of 2007? The Mets looked flat some games in 2006 also. 2008 has NOTHING to do with 2007.
Stop whining about 2007 – it’s over. It happened, it sucked, but it’s over. Move on. If the Mets play poorly and uninspired this year, it is not a continuation from last years collapse; it is this year’s inability to get motivated. Maybe it’s a reflection on Willie’s ability to motivate the team, but it has nothing to do with last year.
I don’t get it, do Yankee fans bring up 2004 every time their team loses? Do Cubs fan bring up their collapse in the playoffs every year? I mean we still have people mad at Beltran for his at bat in the playoffs. Turn off the backwards tunnell vision.
The teams never ever stopped playing for Bobby V.
The 200 NL Champs:
Timo Perez
Benny Agbayani
Jay Payton
Todd Zeile
Robin Ventura (hitting .230)
Mike Piazza
Mike Bordick
Kurt Abbott
Al Leiter
Mike Hampton
Armando Benitez
the list goes on…
That guy was a darn good manager.
Well that was a team; what we have is a collection of players.
THAT IS THE MOST PROFOUND POST I HAVE SEEN IN WEEKS!
GOOD JOB.
I didn’t realize they were playing baseball back then. Is that AD or BC?
Why hasn’t anyone mentioned Beltran breaking for home?
If the ball goes through he scores easily, why not stay put?
It’s easy for me to say though, I didn’t see it.
It’s quite simple, Reyes and Beltran back to back costly base running blunders. What exactly is a manager used for if he can’t effectively teach his “GUYS” to run the bases?
FIRE WILLIE!
Willie just said Beltran was told to go on contact
Ordering that move when you are down by 1 run in the 9th and less than two outs is a head scratcher.
Even Keith Hernandez brought that up after the game.
The ball was hit pretty low, his instinct was probably that it wasn’t gonna be caught on the fly and he needed to hustle his butt off to get home before the throw.
I agree totally. Beltran’s baserunning was 100% more defensible than Reyes’s.
Your dead right, gomets. But hey, there is no room for logic or reasonable thinking in these forms so get out!
I have a question for everyone who wants Willie to get fired immediately: say they fire him tonight and hire a replacement in time for the Yankees series: how much of a grace period would you give that new manager and/or Omar? Like, say the Mets fire Willie and then go 3-6 against the Yanks, Braves, and Rockies? Would you blame the new manager, would you blame Omar? I’m just curious.
And for the record, I’m no longer on Willie’s side, I wouldn’t be upset at all if he was fired, I just don’t know if that’s really the solution or just a quick fix.
I think I could live with that. I mean, this team might simply be short on talent, who knows? Maybe we all over-estimated them? But that being said…the constatnt mental errors, bad pitching moves, and whatnot can be avoided…I think it’s just time for a new voice.
This team is not short on talent; it’s short on FOCUS!!
Regarding the talent though we could use a consistent power threat. Church has been a god-send but we need somebody to do what Delgado was brought here to do and obviously he is not capable of doing anymore. I’m not saying to give up on him he’s just a diff player now. So we need somebody to do the slugging that he was brought here to do.
Well it’s obvious they won’t fire him before the Yankees series, sad but true. That said, Jerry Manuel could manage this squad just fine, certainly not any worse than Willie, in the interim while they seek a new head coach.
omar has the season i guess. which i think is a mistake, i could see him trading three prospects for bartolo colon if he knows his job is on the line.
same for the new manager.
The hope, at least from my perspective, is that firing Willie will breathe some life into this team.
Remember in 1999, when the Mets were struggling, and then they fired the entire coaching staff except for Bobby V and the team suddenly took off?
Yeah, like that.
1990. Buddy Ball.
The person taking over for Willie (probably Jerry Manuel) would only be an interim manager, so he would only be there until a permanent one is hired.
THE ONLY “CONSTANT REMINDER” OF 2007 COLLAPSE ARE THE MORONS ON THIS SITE WHO BRING IT UP EVERY SINGLE DAY IN THE MESSAGE BOARDS, THE PLAYERS DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT….IM WAITING FOR ONE SMART GUY TO WRITE HOW JOHAN FOCUSES ON 2007 EVERY TIME HE LOSES…RIDICULOUS
The constant reminder is in the way they play.
change your screen name, it reminds me of 2007. chode.
Don’t think for a milli second that the players don’t think about it. It is firmly implanted in their heads. Jut because they say they don’t think about it doesn’t mean they don’t.
wow man you are on a roll.. You are the most clueless poster on this site..
says the guy with the mota name? are you effing kidding me?
THANK YOU SIR
THANK YOU!
Johan is reminded by the collapse everyday, by playing with these bums and noticing first hand how their blunders which are still affecting the team this year, played a part last year. Johan played on GOOD twins teams. GOOD twins’ teams that fought it out to the very end, in a very competitive division. Not a team that rolled over like a dead dog in a weak division, essentially handing the title to the Phillies. Oh, did I mention the twins payroll is consistently in the lowest three in the MLB? They play with heart, passion and urgency, something JOHAN has certainly noticed by coming over to this squad of loser reggaetone beer league players, do your thing Carlos Gomez, you’re finally on a first place team!
Except that one of his Twins buddies is the guy that everyone hates and gets on for not hustling. So I’m confused.
Really, that’s the ONLY constant reminder? No one else on SNY, ESPN, the local papers, the national papers, SI, the internet sites, etc… talks about this?
It’s our fault?
c’mon, man. Be realistic.
This is a lingering story that everyone will continue add chapters to until the Mets decide, for themselves, to close the phuking book.
Well said, Danny.
ugh.
Many of you guys make valid pts. I always said NY has the most knowledgable fans. Let’s keep the faith.
This team may just not be that good. .500 team for a year now. Mediocre.
true…true…tough to stomach, but true, this team could simply lack the talent.
As others have said, they are not lacking in the talent department. They’re lacking in the execution department. On paper, the Mets should be 14 games up on everyone else in this division.
THE PLAYERS DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT….. that is EXACTLY the problem!!!
Look at the bright side, though, pelfrey looked ridiculous.
Yep, a very very good sign.
Should Omar be fired for simply deciding not to fire Willie the day after last years collapse?
Willie was Omars perfect scapegoat for all of his own failings.
nice ball…good point.
I think there definitely something to this.. in a way Willie is a buffer for Omar.. cause once Willie is gone, it will be all on Omar. So I think Omar will use Willie as a way to keep his job.
Exactly why he told the Wilpons to keep Willie, he knew that if we got off to this kind of start that he could fire Willie and save himself. If he fired Willie he would be the next to go.
Omars good moves have far outweighed the bad. Omar did his job in the offseason by adding the best pitcher in the game, church, schneider, wise. Willie hasn’t gotten his players to get the job done on the field. Willie deserves to go: bottom line. He’s not the same manager he was in 2005. Wayyy less disciplined and doen’t hold “his guys” accountable. And really Jose hasn’t been the same player since Willie embarassed him last year. We’ve seen it since he came up he’s the most exciting player in the game and it’s quite obvious that something is off. Lastly the most telling thing to me was gotay’s comments a week after he was cut. “It’s not the players, it’s the manager”. Call it sour grapes but coupled with what i’ve been watching for the last year it’s very alarming.
Mets fans should protest with their dollars. This would send a message to the front office. We are the ultimate authorities as to how we like our team managed. A quarter of the season has been viewed by us all and for the most part, the team is not performing as it should for the ridiculous payroll that we are at. I would much rather pay $4.75 for a “drink” and watch a team that I knew wasn’ t supposed to win, then the $8 I pay now. Pick a day. Any day. A walk out! Hear the fans!
Dude have you seen the attendance of a week day game? Regardless of SNY telling you that 45k are in attendance, its rarely more than 15k.
That’s because today’s fan doesn’t want to see baseball unless it “counts” or if Johan is pitching. If I had the money, I’d have season tickets and go to at least half if not more of the season’s games.
today’s fan? I’m pretty sure the yankees and red sox sell out every weekday game, or at least come close to it. Mets and Yankes reside in the same city and they consistently draw 20k more players than us on the weekdays.
Or for putting together a .500 team in the first place.
Can someone post an objective summary of the post-game comments?
Something needs to happen, this is no longer acceptable.
That’s your opinion, or that’s what Willie said?
Here is the most objective summary of today’s game: The NY Mets are worse than a little league team!
Yes, I watched the game. I was wondering if Willie commented on the Reyes, Castillo, and Wright blunders.
I don’t know why some of you want to fire omar. The guy has helped change the face of this franchise. Sure he’s made a couple of bad moves, every GM does. However he’s made some masterful moves as well. Like getting John Maine and Duaner, how he played the Johan sweepstakes this winter. Not to mention signing some big name free agents.
Yes he’s made some bad moves. The trades of guys like bannister, heath bell and some other bullpen desicions. However do we really wanna fire the guy that has brought this team (talent wise) to where it is right now. Do we really wanna take a chance and get a steve phillips GM in return.
the real problem is willie imo. When he first came up people questioned some of his in game managing, but he always had a great clubhouse. Now, to go along with the in game stuff i think he’s losing the clubhouse. It just feels that is the case just by watching this team. I really think willie is losing the team, if that is the case he’s gotta go.
And it was telling when Wagner felt the need to speak up.
This is a TOP 5 mlb franchise, Its easy when you have money. Not saying he hasn’t done some good things but if he keeps Willie then its all on him.. Its his choice to keep or fire Willie and thus responsible for the teams success or failure. Its clear there is a problem with the Manager so If he keeps this guy and they fail, then he is to blame.
ha. ha-ha. HA-HA….HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Top 5 MLB Franchise? Since when, 2005? These are the freaking New York Mets, who have the worst season in MLB History, have finished in last place FAR more than they’ve finished in first place, and prior to 8 years ago had never even been to back-to-back postseasons. Clearly you are a bandwagon fan that you think this is a top 5 MLB franchise. Maybe that’s the problem with most of the people on here, they haven’t quite figured out that hovering around .500 and being in 3rd place is ABOVE normal expectations for the Mets, historically speaking.
the problem isn’t Omar or Willie. Outside of, the catchers, Church, and Wright early in the season, no one has been consistent offensively. Reyes isn’t hitting and his defense and decision making always follow. Castillo is easy to defend, he either slaps it or puches it. Beltran/Wright/Delgado can’t seem to get a hit against anybody above Rookie League level right now. The bench is made up of Castillo clones for the most part. Tatis and Alou are just getting started so it is hard to be down on them yet. So WTF does Willie do about it? How can Omar make these guys live up to their billing? It is a long season, things may turn around. Remember, a pretty big lead was blown by someone last year. And the possiblilty exists of a trade or FA pickup too.
At least Izzy isn’t in our bullpen. He’s not only fallen off a cliff, he’s falling off of several.
that’s a pretty insane comment considering he’s been a top-shelf closer for like 10 years
Here’s the problem. The Mets find different ways to lose. They have a great starting staff, a good bullpen, good hitters, good fielders, yet they find new ways to lose. It is the managers job to put all the pieces together. He isn’t doing it.
Also, this team needs something to fire it up. Willie isn’t doing it. Any change would improve this team from the .500 ball it has played for about a year now.
I’m getting tired of David Wright being the only one to speak for this team.
I want to hear DELGADO talk about losses,, I want to hear Beltran,, and on a consistent basis.. Enough already with David,, Lets hear the other guys
I am at work, did David say “I take responsibility for not running out the dropped ball”?
No…but no one asked him about it. At least not what they showed on SNY.
What’s WORSE is that the Mets are JUST THE MEDICINE needed for the Spankees Right Now…
They better perform over the weekend or WILLIE WILL AND SHOULD BE GONE MONDAY !!!!!
I feel like SEPTEMBER NEVER ENDED…
WILLIOT MUST GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This team is a freaking joke, the NFL season can’t come soon enough
If they are going to fire Willie who are they going to bring in? And enough of this Bobby V bs. He is NOT coming back. I’m sick to death of people pining away for ex-Mets.
Seriously, who is the replacement for Willie? HoJo?
this is the most tired argument (and the last one appearing to hold water) from the WPP. any baseball guy could match the terrible job willie is doing running this club.
ANYONE, who cares
it doesn’t matter… They need to get Willie as far away from this club as possible.
Just one man’s random thoughts–
Internal candidates—
Jerry Manuel (probably not)
Hojo
Ken Oberkfell
External–
Tony Pena (I like this idea, but don’t know if the Yankees would let him go mid-season)
Felipe Alou
Frank Robinson
Lee Mazzilli
Wally Backman
Kevin Kennedy
Phil Garner
Davey Johnson?
Did I miss anyone? (And don’t say Bobby V– that ship has sailed and we really don’t want to go there…)
Everybody wants to fire this guy or trade that guy but nobody ever has any suggestions of who to bring in as a replacement. It gets so old.
I have no problem dumping Willie. It should have been done at the end of last season. But doesn’t anyone else get sick of the constant “fire Willie” complaints? It’s just so negative. Personally I am not giving up on this team yet, and every game I watch I am going to hope that they win. But it seems like most of the people on here don’t feel that way.
Lee Mazzilli and get Leo Mazzone for pitching coach
Not a bad idea, I wouldn’t mind Maz
In the interim….Jerry Manual
My ideal coach would be Ron Gardenhire but that’s not going to happen. Not this year anyway. I think Omar should reach out to Felipe Alou and see if he’s interested in coaching his boy again. FELIPE 08!!
Omar is not the problem. The talent is on the field. Talent needs to be motivated. These guys are human. Humans need leaders. Willie, Ho Jo and forgive me for saying this, even Rick P. has seen their best days. New leaders. New passion. New focus. Sounds like a car commercial. Get this done!!! Quick break.
The talent is on the field. Talent needs to be motivated….. WHICH TALENT!!!???? I haven’t seen any talent in 2008.
Willie, Ho Jo, Heilman, Sosa (DFA’d) and Delgado need to be let go. Can’t stomache Delgado any longer. Can any team afford to have a first baseman with no bat play 140 games?
To be put on notice
Wright
Reyes
Castillo
Perez
Beltran
To get achievement awards
Church
Joe Smith
Wagner
Julio Franco recently retired from the mexican leagues, he would be a much better coach than Randope and it doesn’t matter if he speaks broken english!
I agree….Church is the ONLY one worth ANYTHING ON OFFENSE….The rest of the team BLOWS offensively…where’s the combacks this year?? WHERES THE 7TH/8TH INNING RALLIES THIS YEAR???
Willie lost this team last September and CANNOT get them Back…End of Story !!!!!!!
David Wright’s on pace for 30 homers and 130 RBI. God, he sucks…
And now I’m listening to Fatsessa and the puppy and want to rip my ears off my head. They are clueless beyond belief.
Taste my champagne Willie. Nice sparkling champagne.
Maybe we can DFA willie and let him work on his managerial skills in the minors…
that sums it up perfect.
How anyone can defend Willie at this point is beyond me. When exactly can we start to criticize the man?
I’ve been doing it since 05, anyone else?
Listening to Randopes comments and now I feel myself actually losing brain cells listening to him babble.
Summary for those of us stuck with Extra Innings cutting off SNY a minute after the last out?!? Any tough questions about job security?
nope =(
just pull the string on your talking willie doll and you’ll get the same thing
the word “fire” has been used 83 times in this thread, in case anyone was curious
and “fire willie” has been used 83 times as well.
I’ll say this again.
Mets fans should protest with their dollars. This would send a message to the front office. We are the ultimate authorities as to how we like our team managed. A quarter of the season has been viewed by us all and for the most part, the team is not performing as it should for the ridiculous payroll that we are at. I would much rather pay $4.75 for a “drink” and watch a team that I knew wasn’ t supposed to win, then the $8 I pay now. Pick a day. Any day. A walk out! Hear the fans!
this game isnt on willie, no matter what he does, ppl are going to say he is wrong.
stay w pelfrey, oh no hes out of gas
take him out, oh no the pen will blow it
reyes made the wrong choice, sure, but it took a perfect throw and a heads up play from guzman for him to be out
what about that great run, diving catch from harris to save the game for the nats? he misses that ball and it rolls to the fence, tie ball game
and to the guys talkin abt flores like hes a HOF? hes the nats 3rd string catcher, hes only playing bc the 2 guys in front of him are hurt
^^^ willie lover. hike it.
1 out, fast runner on 3rd, no one on the left side of the infield
YOU BUNT
PERIOD
You don’t get it. It doesn’t matter any more how we lose. Its that we find different ways to lose. That is the manager’s problem.
But you can’t get rid of the pen, or Reyes, or Delgado, or any of the other crap. This team needs change and the manager, who we all know is no strategist, hasn’t lit ANYTHING under these player’s a$$es. It is time, it has been time, for this guy to go.
Hope Gary enjoyed the day reminiscing about his child hood days. The team might have sucked, but they definitely played with more FIRE than this squad.
Are we going for the all-time record in comments made after a 1-0 loss here? Sheesh.
YOU CAN’T LOSE 3 OUT OF 4 AT HOME TO THE NATS AFTER LAST SEPTEMBER’S DEBACLE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the Fire Willie movement strengthens by the second! UNITE!!
It’s not just ONE loss, this team (the most talented team in the NL, I still, maybe naively, feel) has played like sh&t for over a year now. You don’t hire a hobo to drive a cadillac.
This team has played 500 baseball for the past 155 games. Does anyone else see a problem with this? At least if we had HANK STEINBRENNER he’d be making RANDOPE feel uncomfortable and he would have canned him after the collapse. Never thought I’d wish our GM would act more like a lunatic, but in that regard, I wish he would.
Yeah and how has that worked for them so far?
I think its time to rebuild this team. I just dont see how they are going to make the playoffs this year. They have no support in their own ballpark; the manager, though not really important to the outcome of the game, is now affecting the outcome of the game; the young guys are slumping with no sign of breaking out of their malaise; the old player are playing old. There are some players that might have value for a competing team. I guess Delagdo can nab a couple of prospects, Alou probably nothing, Heilman can grab us something, Wagner could probably get us something good if he continues to pitch well. There is always a need for a closer on a playoff bound team. I dont want to say it, but Reyes could net us a windfall in prospects, especially at the trading deadline.
If they don’t want to be that drastic, I guess they can fire Willie. I like the idea of bringing in someone who knows the team, maybe Julio Franco or Jose Valentin, Howard Johnson would not be a bad choice either, along with Jerry Manuel. How about giving the jacket the full manager’s job and see how that turns out. I like his analytical approach to the game.
I know I’ll get crap for this, but I hope the Mets get embarrassed by the Yankees this weekend. This team needs to hit rock bottom while there’s still time.
i agree, the sooner this team plays willie out of a job, the better off we’ll be
This team just isn’t as good as we thought. And to all the optimists, yes we’re in it. But i’m sick and freakin tired of JUST BEING IN IT. I want to be on the top for once with the confidence that no one will beat us! I dont get that from this team.
The 2006 team had this. They had a fight to them. They seemed hungry. This team doesn’t seem anything, but content.
Who’s to blame? I dont know! Its partly Willie. But c’mon how much can we put on him. At this point i’m looking forward to next year. This doesn’t seem like its ours. I know its only mid-May but how many of us feel like this is going to turn around. I have zero confidence that it i will. And i hope i’m wrong!
how much blame? enough.
Yeah, it’s not ALL Willie’s fault, but he’s the guy you can get rid of. At the very least, it’s not like another manager can have this team underachieve any worse than Willie.
Who else DO you blame for lackluster, no heart, no guts and STUPID PLAY ????????
DONT WORRY !!!!!! it’s only may….. and statistics show, clutch hitting and hitters DO NONT EXSIST.. sorry keith ….. and statistics also show delgado is hitting line drives , there outs but line drives … which means surely the monster year is just ahead….. oh and beltrans still as clutch …..(if clutch exsisted ) as anybody……
so the good news … stats and micro stats show it’s early and this is a playoff bound club……
dont believe your eyes…
FIRE WILLIE clap clap clapclapclap….FIRE WILLIE clap clap clapclapclap….
Change is good. Everybody fears it. Change is good. They change hitting coaches on a whim. Is Willie a manager you could never live without? I’m sure your answer is no, you could live without him. Then good bye. There is a managerial answer out there. Always is. I have been through probably 100 managers with these guys. Double that number across town. Managers are a “feel” thing. Nobody at this level adds that much value. One teams terrible manager becomes a hall of famer somewhere else. Depends on chemistry. Champagne Willie failed that class.
oh and randolph has completely morphed into rich kotite….. so at least we got that going for us..
“we played hard …. we had good stuff, i dont know………. we got bad luck….”
I don’t particularly care for Willy, or dislike him. I would hope with our resources we could do better, but I don’t think firing him is going to make a huge difference one way or another.
Maybe it will, maybe it won’t, but we DO know that keeping him will mean .500 baseball. So you tell me what the smart move is?
I don’t really think there is a smart move. I guess we might as well fire him since we basically have nothing to lose. I just feel like it would be an empty victory I guess. I won’t really feel any more optimistic about this season.
I was just told by a colleague that a Mets press conference is scheduled for 5:30, can anyone confirm this, has this been on the fan? If true, I will be watching it very excited at home and heading out for celebratory drinks following.
i don’t buy it. but i would buy you the drinks if you’re right!
Haven’t heard anything yet.
When the Mets finally fire this clown (whenever it happens) they’ve got to go outside the organization. I don’t want anyone who was involved in last September to be running this team.
I have no faith in the organization until they get rid of Willie,, I won’t go to another game until he is gone. I know thats not cool and I should be supporting my team but I can do that from my couch. I buy Merchandise and spend money in other ways to support them but I cannot go to shea until he is gone. Its sad that he is destroying this team/organization in the final year of shea….
Please bring back Bobby V Mets.
While I agree that Bobby V would be exactly what this team needs right now…after watching “The Zen of Bobby V.” I am reluctant to think that he would actually return to managing here in the states…let alone in NYC.
Just my humble opinion.
To Jose-Jose-Jose-Jose.
Marlins fire Jeff Torberg in the middle of the 2003 season. Jack Mckeon leads them to a win in the World Series.
Mets fire pitching coach Bob Apodaca in the middle of the season. Mets win 8 in a row and go to the World Series.
I just don’t see what the downside is to firing Willie at this point. What’s the worst that happens they go from a 3rd place team to a 5th place team.
And for all the Willie supporters out there they always say the bad things aren’t Willie’s fault but they never explain the good things he does or how he is an asset.
So even if this team does turn it around. I don’t think it will be because Willie turned it around. They probably turned it around inspite of him.
I just don’t see the downside at this point
I’ve defended Willie, but the time has come to give him the boot. You can’t get rid of the players, so get rid of the manager. No excuse for losing three of four to the last place Nationals especially with great pitching performances from Vargas and Big Pelf. This is just sickening and the only way to try to fire this bunch of guys up is to fire the manager.
The talent is there on the field – we just need someone to give it some juice.
well, technically, you CAN get rid of the players. The Marlins showed us that blueprint in 1998 and 2004.
I love Bobby V,, please bring him back OMAR please.. I will buy season tickets if they do
NOT ANOTHER ONE!!!!!!
Its Crazy, we need a fly ball out and DelgaNO-clue, is up and he cant even do that. Its painful watching him try to learn to hit again. IMO Either he got OLD FAST or he had help staying young and MLB isnt looking the other way on that front anymore.
Ok, How long before he takes a “day off” and Tatis Wally Pipps him at first base. I’ll take Tatis’ Kingman-like swing for the fences over anymore weak grounders to fielders in the shift.
This Team has NOT shown they have the mental fight to come from behind and though they made a valiant effort today, that game was still up for grabs so it would of been harder for them to go into the “its early we can just play out the rest of the game”
Find some fire guys and stop beating yourselves up and GIVING UP!
he’s hitting line drives havent you seen the super stats saying that translates to big seasons and wins..?
delga-no-clue = lol
Still no post-game post from Metsblog? Hard to put this one into words, I would imagine!
For the Willie haters out there…
Haven’t you ever been on a team with a jackass coach, where some player with leadership gets the group together and says, “Eff this guy, we’re doing this for us, etc etc.”
If you are right that Willie has “lost the team” — I don’t know that, though I do know they aren’t playing up to their potential — who is that guy and why isn’t he giving that speech at that meeting?
A lack of player leadership is more dangerous to me than bad managing. A new guy isn’t going to fire these people up if they lack internal fire.
takt this with a grain of salt but M& MD are reporting of a possible post game clubhouse blow up by WAGS. interesting
Anyone listening to WFAN. Word is Wagner blew up after the game. Any word at work over here.
yeah, good for him. I hope he decked Delgado
Yeah- I heard that…cant wait.
Hey is George Bamburger still available?
Apparently Wagner went ape-sh&^ after the game, Mike and the Mad Dog are trying to get audio
I’m sure there’s audio. Wagner would only go nuts somewhere it could be taped.
I just don’t trust that guy (outside the 9th inning, of course).
at least he seems to care
WHAT DO YOU KNOW? Wagner’s blow up is “Talk to the guys who played, not me! Oh wait, they’re not in front of their lockers.”
Great team guy, that Wagner.
I am sure the clubhouse is crawling with reporters. The problem is we cant get the instant update from Adam Rubin etc. because they are trying to gather info before they get back to their computers.
Could this be a gee golly gosh ya gotta believe?
It would be great to hear Eddie C. report on FAN saying Ap@$hit
Fatcess: What happened with wagner?
Eddie C: In a nutshell he went Ap@$hit
What do you have to lose? If he was a super manager who had incredible success, with a proven track record, with a following, with great verbal and personnel skills, I would say, don’t be so rash. We gave him a team in ‘06. Bust. ‘07. Bust. ‘08…sputter, sputter, ka-boom! Never hold onto losses for too long. The ability to cut losses and move onto better investments is a good manager (GM). Or, the job will be your own. Not for Champagne Willie. Not me.
Something has got to give, this team is playing way below their PECOTA predictions.
willie doesn’t think bill pecota could do any better
not one of his guys
I don’t know if you intended that to be funny…..but I LMFAO.
Don’t forget in ‘99 when the Mets fired their pitching and hitting coaches when they were 2 games under .500 in June, they went 60-20 over their next 80 games. Sometimes change in leadership sparks something.
And that was during the Yankee series, its perfect timing now.
you just shot the clown”
Keith Hernandez
1000 comments and no update from Mets blog.. considering the temperature of the fans this corporate switch is getting ridiculous.
I havent seen any news of a Mets press conference.
Hey guys, WAS a Willie supporter. I’m down to oust him.
-What do you guys think about an underachieving Tigers team under Leyland, a supposed good to great manager.
welcome!
sit down.
have some dip.
can I get you a drink?
Tigers 16-24 last place.
Fire Leyland!
He told a reporter today, “ive been booed before young man”. There is also a report that Wagner went off after the game.
1000+ comments to a post, is that a record
you obvioulsy weren’t around when the Manny-for-Milledge trade nearly occured.
Wagner is the first sign. If others on the team had the successes and desire to be excellent (not just good), you would see them all about face and look at Willie. Canary in the mine. Manager without the respect of his peers has lost the most important motivational tool. Good bye.
Mike and Chris were just saying that they heard Billy Wagner went crazy in the clubhouse. Hope this is true..
if we’re lucky , the hof bound marlon anderson will call a team meting and lead them to the promised land….
but all kidding aside…. chalk it up to learning a lesson and turn the page….
Didn’t we learn anything from last year?
according to willie they did..
Wow!
I just went to Lohud to get mets report to see if there is mention of Wags, and boy did John D went off on Willie and the club. This is new!
Whats Lohud??
Journal news.
And I just read Adam Rubin stated that Wags made comments similar to Lo Duca last year expect for the racial comments
Cerrone, I think you’re going to have to add negative numbers to the confidence poll
Wagner’s fit is “dont blame me, I didn’t play.” jerkoff.
Wagner is right on here. The ones responsible for today were no where to be found, big shocker.
Wagner is Mr. “Throw A Teammate Under the Bus.” He plays only for himself. It’s tiring.
wagner is 100% right here. los merengue mets never take any accountability.
a poster below said jose was at his locker answering questions, but i guess that doesn’t fit into your theory?
um, nope. because even if jose was talking today, he rarely is. same for castillo, beltran and delgado. instead we see wagner, wright, schneider and the pitchers every night. unless someone else did something good.
and apparently beltran also took questions.
I quote…
“It was only the second time in 30 career starts that Bergmann didn’t allow a run”
The two H’s are the problem. Hitting and Hielman. I don’t care who they fire to get some sort of improvement. To lose three out four to the pathetic Nats is a disgrace.
I predicted at the beginning of the season Willie wouldn’t make to the Yankees series. I guess I was wrong. Something has to give though, because there is too much money and expectation for the team to be this bad!
To his credit, at least when Wagner blows a save he actually stands up and talks to the media, unlike the usual crappy suspects in the Mets locker room like Delgado, Reyes, etc. who turn into the invisible men.
I can’t stand Heilman but he answered all the questions last night.
For the record. Jose was at his locker and manned up and answered all the questions the media frenzy had.
Shh, you might stem the racist comments!
i didn’t see a racist comment anywhere. what the hell are you selling, chief?
yeah, i’m a racist. that’s why i own a reyes jersey and pedro, reyes, beltran, delgado, johan and perez shirts.
wagner a racist too? because that’s what you’re saying. never mind he called feliciano the most important guy in the bullpen last year.
i hope the WPP plays the race card as their last ditch defense.
Yeah, classifying the Latino players as “los merengue mets” was in good taste.
Well done.
Egg on your face that Reyes stood there and answered the questions, huh?
P.S. Some of my best friends are black.
I didn’t hear Reyes’ post game comments. Did he actually take any responsibility? I’ve seen Jose answer plenty of questions, but actually take responsibility and admit he made a mistake, well, let’s just say I haven’t seen that happen too much.
as much egg on my face as wagner, who apparently is also a racist. like loduca before him.
racist is the new giving a s**t, apparently
Weak.
indeed.
clearly the problem is the met fan base…. to much booooing…
i mean how does a 16 mil $ athelete possibly perform , with fans booing…
Wagner is right if he said that. Get him the ball. Someone take ownership here. If he blew a save, then you can blame him. Not to sound metaphorical here but, not everyone was responsible for the sinking of the Titanic. Find the person, if they can’t change, change them! What is so difficult? If they weren’t so fat headed and ego driven, it would be plain as day!
Just gonna throw this out there, but do you think Jose and Aaron are dogging it lately trying to get Willie fired. I know its greatly unprofessional, but i am sure it has happened in sports before. I mean Jose has not been the same since he was reprimanded by Willie last year and we all know Aaron wants to be a starter.
No, I just think Heilman’s confidence is shot and Reyes’ mind is completely wacked right now
Agreed. Hielman doesn’t have the make-up to come out of the pen. It is really showing now, and his confidence is gone.
As for Jose, if he is dogging it to get Willie fired then he needs to play for someone else. He is probably the fourth or fifth best SS in the NL. Maybe even worse. In other words he is not that good.
Yeah, trying to take an extra base to help out a sputtering offense while making every play in the field is clearly dogging it.
Thats why i threw this out there. I am in California and see nothing as far as Mets games, just stats. Thanks for the feedback!
He’s not dogging it, no. He’s just not focusing. Or, just an idiot.
Trying to take an extra base when you are down 1-0 is foolish. If you’re winning, fine but in close game you have to calculate the risk/reward and, as we found it, the risk wasn’t worth it.
That might qualify as cutting off your head to spite your face. No way.
From the responses it sounds like just poor fundamentals which reflects the training/managing a team gets. Not gonna be pretty around this team after the weekend if they dont take the Yankee series.
The time is right. We don’t need until Memorial Day. Willie has to go. Now. Really sorry to write that, but I think having him manage one more game would be a mistake. Time to try to salvage the season. The next guy will have his hands full trying to get Reyes to grow up and sprout a brain, trying to get something positive out of the bullpen, trying to get someone – anyone – to get a timely hit, but there are pieces in place, and we got a good outing today from another young pitcher. It’s clear that this team and Randolph are not right for each other. Clear as day. No use dragging this out and making a spectacle.
So we want to fire the manager, tell me who exactly are we going to replace him with on May 15th?
A red herring that can manage.
Wally Backman, Bobby Valentine, Lee Mazzilli, Keith Hernandez, Gary Carter, Jerry Manuel, my little sister….
In short, ANYONE but Willie. This screams of a need for a “change to make a change.”
A blind, three-legged, rabid basset hound. Would be a huge improvement over Willie.
and then Willie Randolph said “Howard, could you step into my office please”
Wagner should be on his ESPN 1050 spot at 5:20…
“hes mr invisible”
santana is a no show in the locker room
Willie’s not getting fired until July @ the earliest, for no other reason than Jerry Manuel is not the right guy to manage either and there is no one else out there. Just like we cant get a closer who is not signed by 5/15 to sign with us to be a set-up guy….
people are so used to playing fantasy and video games that they forget how real baseball moves (players & coaches) work.
I would imagine that, yes, Manuel would interim manage for a few games, or you might get Oberkfell elevated, etc. Managers have been fired early in the season before. This isn’t a novel concept.
jerry manuel > willie randolph
and if you can’t see that, you’re wrong
based on what smart guy? he was such a good manager that Ozzie Guillen took his team and won a WS with them when he couldnt get em to 500
Yeah, really. Why Jerry Manuel? He didn’t do anything with that Chisox team.
because he is not willie randolph and this team needs a change
period
He’s only being discussed as an INTERIM manager, people. Interim.
Yeah but why Manuel? He is the bench coach. You all think the Willie is a moron. You don’t think that Manuel is part of this at all?
And if he’s such a genius and he isn’t advising Willie you shouldn’t choose him just for that.
willie has shown himself to be mule stubborn. which in my opinion gets manuel (as well as peterson re: bullpen usage) 100% off the hook.
still no post game summary.. are the guy digging through the dictionary for vocabularies without using expletives?
Matt is waiting for us all to cool down.
That may take a few….years.
The Mets have no heart and show no passion for the game. Whatever happened to the days of nails, Mex, etc? Those guys had a few all-stars and role players (Backman, Teufel, Mitchell, Knight,etc) but played with the passion of 12 yr old kids. This team is baby sat way too much. Mr Wright needs to speak up ASAP and stop being PC. If Wags got pissed off, that is great! He is the only one showing passion for the game. You need guys Like Freel/Reed Johnson, etc. The Nationals know the Mets are soft and they sense it on the field which is frightening. Other teams will sense that also. They lack killer instinct and an identity. Willie will take the hit on this one.
I dont have a problem with the Reyes play at least he was trying.
On Willie, IMO the biggest hit he takes from me is that he doesnt seem to manage on instinct its by whatever the current book is, low risk and unimaginative and I dont think coincidence that the media all starts talking about something (batting order, starting pitchers going longer…etc) and then he does it shortly after. He seems too robotic and predictable which has me believe he isnt going by his own feel.
That being said, his “no worry” it will get better, remember he was caught saying that to himself as Sept was crumbling around him, atitude has spread and it may take a change of manager to alter it. I would love Willie to take a “SCREW-you” approach to all and just go with his gut as it cant hurt.
No! You’re supposed to say that Reyes has no heart or no passion for the game! That’s why we lost!
He wasn’t hustling on that play to third.! He was being reckless! Don’t you understand?!?!?!?!
Let’s try this one more time. It’s about playing smart and focusing, not hustling, per se.
Right..playing foolishly helps no one. No one is calling out his *hustle.* But it was a completely stupid move on his part.
It was ill-advised, but I don’t think it was a lack of focus. He wanted to get to third with 1 out. Given how horrible our offense has been, that increased the odds of him scoring exponentially.
It took a good defensive play to get him.
With Wright and Beltran coming up, no way is that EVER a good play.
Yeah, because they have been killing it lately.
That’s irrelevant. Reyes didn’t give anyone a chance because he gave the Nationals an out by being so foolish. In a close game, when your team is losing, that play makes ZERO sense.
He went on instinct since the base was open. It was ill-advised but he was trying to make a play to help his team win. I think the criticism is a little overblown.
I understand your point, but you have to admit that what he did was cost the Mets a chance to actually score. I understand that he was trying to help, the point is he was trying to help too much, He should have just gone to second and let the other guys do their job. His job is to be on base, not to attempt to do so much that you actually stop playing smart.
Given the game situation, that play wasn’t smart. I agree, that he had good intentions but that doesn’t make it right.
When you’re losing and the offense is struggling, stuff like that is going to happen because you force the issue. He pressed. If we were crushing the ball, he would have never even thought of doing it.
It was a painful play, no doubt. But I think it completely flies in the face of everyone that says that this team has no heart or competitive fire or whatever.
He cares and he was trying to win.
whats the big deal w the post game wrap up being posted?
eddie c dishing it out on the fan right now
he basically blames omar
Omar deserves a LOT of blame. It’s just that right now, they don’t give up much changing managers. It’s sort of like smacking the TV. It’s not a rational fix, but sometimes, it works.
dunno about you but i have literally been beating the crap out of my tv
to no avail
Masochists. Watching this team is like taking a hot iron to the side of your face, over and over. Seven game lead. Making losing to the Nats a perennial occurence. The players know it. The fans know it. Nobody is being ignorant here. Go into your office. Empty out your files. Put them in a box. Go home. Thank you very much. Simple. Whose next? Oh Delgado, you’re not hitting? For over a year now? Well, take a seat. We’ll get you some at bats. Heilman? Yeah, okay, how about we get you some innings say on a day we are up 7-2? No, you have to play with a stomache ache. Why? You make 19 mill.
NOBODY in the dugout should be the next manager of the Mets
You are right…..no one but there are guys who can manage in the farm and Carter is itching for a change. At least he has experience.
the prob with a handful of posters on this site is that while most of the willie-haters turned that way in August 2007 (or maybe even june or july) you have been that way since 2005….and that makes you all dead wrong as Willie has enjoyed more success as a manager(yes check the records) than any manager since Davey….youve been waiting for him to fail.
To me…if Willie goes, wait till the end of the year and try and bring Acta back…as you can see when we let a gret baseball mind go to the Nats/Expos and then bringthem back it works out well…see Omar Minaya holder of the 28 good trades/signing and 5 bad trades/signings record…only Billy Beane is better…maybe
SHUT YOUR MOUTH TOOL
you have got to be kidding right?
dr jones has to be the most idiotic person to post on this site, he has never made even a lucid comment and just finds any way to write fire willie….good thing Pelfrey didnt pitch a no-no today or he wouldnt have anything to whine about, go be a yankee fan and jump off a cliff
why would Acta leave WASH? He obviously has a better team over there.
I have a premonition….Wagner’s next save will be blown by a Delgado error. They then proceed to brawl in the dugout….
Well finally we can put a few things to rest.
We now know this team is not a unit. They are a clubhouse divided.
Can you figgen believe this…. How can this team possibly win if they don’t play for each other…
Billy statement speak volumes..
First off, I want to say that I think it’s time for Willie to go. So don’t go labeling me part of the Willie Fan Club or anything here, but some of you people seriously need to calm the F down. This loss sucks, this series sucks, and so far, this season has sucked. But you seriously need some perspective
In 1998, the Mets lost their last 5 games and blew a shot at the playoffs. Then, in ‘99 they started strong before losing EIGHT games in a row, including the first 2 of a series against the Yankees. They then went 70-38 the rest of the season, and that includes a SEVEN game losing streak in late September. There is still plenty of time for this team to not only be good, but be great. It’s pretty rare for teams to dominate wire-to-wire.
Now, that said, the catalyst in ‘99 was the shake up of the coaching staff, and I think this team needs a shakeup too, which getting rid of Willie could be.
That’s exactly it. They need a shakeup in the coaching staff and 25 man roster. They need gamers. That’s what is missing.
The team was given to him. How do you test your managerial metal when the team has done well? When a team is failing and you can’t correct them, such as since last June or July until now, and you have added nothing, that is a test of a manager. Hard times. He has failed. Statistics are used to quantify an argument. I could do the same. Like blah blah less than .500 ball after the All Star. Like first meltdown in team history. Subjectively worst meltdown, but whatever. Do you really think we need to wait until the end of this year and be satisfied with a .500 finish? 150 mill later? No playoffs, again? 22 years and still counting boys and girls. New York isn’t the Mid-West. We have patience. We aren’t saints. See you Willie. Liked you for a while. Now, you go down with the faceless managers of old.
Why do people keep bringing up Carter as an option. Didn’t he leave the organization because he was pissed he didn’t get the Double A job or something like that.
I don’t remember the details exactly. But I know he left angry because he didn’t get one of the managerial jobs
he wanted to stay in Florida where his fmaily is. the only thing that will lure him from there is a job with the big league club. so when HoJo got the call over him, he opted out as opposed to riding a bus in-and-out of Binghampton.
yeah you’re right…he was on the fan a few weeks ago to promote his book and he’s defiitely still bitter. He basically wanted a guarantee from the organization that if he took the job in the minors(I think Double A) that he would eventually be the big league manager.
Bringing up Carter because he has the mentality for it. As a former catcher he knows what it takes. I’m sure his bitterness will end once he gets an offer like the Mets. What better guy to bring us back to a new stadium with the memories of 86. He has had managerial experience unlike Willie. He can turn this around and he will also reprimand players for dogging it. Willie tried to change the passion of a player like Jose. He told him to tone it down. That was the wrong message. You have guys giving high fives to fans and you ask Jose to tone it down? Big mistake…….
I think it was AAA. And the Dodgers were interested in hiring him as a bench coach when Jim Tracy’s staff went, but he refused because he wasn’t offered the managerial position outright. I think there was another team interested (Texas?), but he turned them off, too. You cannot have a prima donna as your manager, and that’s sadly what Carter has come off exactly as.
I don’t think he’s a prima donna. Do you blame the guy? There are guys getting offers with no experience!! Here’s a guy who played with a bunch of misfits and won a championship. Look at Scioscia in LA? Catcher’s are great minds as they have a feel for the overall game. He wants a big league job and won’t settle for less. I like it and the kind of guy who will shake things up in the club house. You need those guys….I know Willie played with Reggie and those guys but…….i don’t see the passion in him. He might be trying to be Torre too much. This is a blue collar team and town. WE BLEED ORANGE. We need to go in another direction.
its ok ian kennedy blows just gave up a missle to the upper deck in left down 4-0 vs the rays
You know-
The Mets are having problems right now but there were some great things about todays game. Wright and Beltran made gorgeous defensive plays.
I’m not trying to diminish the frustration everyone must feel but ye gads it’s just a game and the best teams in the American and National league are going through the exact same thing.
Cool the hot air you guys are blasting!
There is no magic fix.
wagner report on 1050 right now
he said he was a yankee fan
I wasn’t much for firing Willie, but its one of those changes that need to be made for the sake of making a change. I hate to say that cause i’m always against doing it, but how long can we wait till they change their ways. Its been like this since before the all-star break last year. The inconsistency is the only consistency and if we keep waiting for “something” to happen it might be $100 million dollars + too late.
Anyone hear the post game with Eddie C. What did he say?
said santana is a mr inviisible in the club house, feels this is more on the guy who put the roster together, commented on wagners remarks abt those who play should be at their lockers post game
I didn’t even get to “the ballgame is over” before i pulled the headphones out, never mind postgame.
I agree with your sentiments, but I think we’re still about 2 weeks away from a change for changes sake. We’re a long way away from ‘too late’ we’re right around the other ‘competitors’ in the east, and neither of those teams are great teams. It affords the Mets time to figure things out.
I think in terms of mid-season firing, you can only evaluate based on this season. You can’t fire Willie Randolph now for how Reyes played in September last year, or because Mota/Sosa/Bullpen blew a zillion games down the stretch.
Fair point, but the bullpen is on him too. How many times did he put guys in over and over and over again
jorge sosa came in last year @ miami with a three run lead to pitch to THREE GUYS who had career averages of OVER .500 against him
marlins tied the game, we lost in extras
guys like dr jones really bring this board down to a grade school level in terms of maturity
I’m thinking tonight is the perfect time for a change. If they believe it is time then you should do in tonight and not wait till after the Subway series. If the Mets take 2 or 3 then it will give false hope to lost and divided club.
Its not like the Yankees are any good, The’ll be in last place by tonight. So even if they win,, its no big deal. Its time Omar,
I’m in complete agreement over the “false hope.” I want the Mets swept. I hope they get embarrassed this weekend. I want turmoil, I want infighting, I want rock bottom.
ohh I think we’ve already hit rock bottem.. Is there anything below that? cause thats were we are right now
Oh, it can get worse, let’s not forget that this team is still over .500
Rock bottom? At 1 game over .500 in May? Really? Wow. So what are the Yankees? Or the Tigers?
The Tigers and the Yankees didn’t have a historic collapse last season.
Difference….. We the FANS are at rock bottom, the players and coaches…..just trying to be even keel, I dont think they are at rock bottom yet, were some fire and passion shows even if it means telling us the fans to shut the F* up. Ill take any kind of emotion that is not pity with them looking and acting like whipped puppies.
Well, if you weren’t for firing Willie, I hope my posts have helped make an impression on you. First time poster. Always interested in the fans reactions. Read above and look for my insight. We need to all rally for change. Grass roots this running train!
why in the world are people defending willie’s win/loss record? …he had an imensily talented and confident team in 06, any manager could have held that ship…but now that the team needs a kick in the naggs , he doesnt cut it…..
his in game calls are horrible…
his post-game comments are even worse…
and his justification that ” i know my players and they’ll get it together soon” is beyond moronic when in fact they have been a bad team for a year.
REALITY CHECK!!! We are about to go 4-6 . THIS is NOT a good thing people. We drop 1 to the last place REDS and drop 3 to the last place NATS and we about to drop 2 to the 4th place YANKS> See a patern here?
wagners comments on Michael Kay show werent too bad, basically said things are rough right now but were a tight group that picks each other up and thats what we will do with this
i hope no one picked willie up from the ground after waggs decked him…
every time i actually am about to jum pon the fire-willie bandwagon some idiot makes a post so outrageous that I find myself defending Willie based on nothing but just proving an idiot wrong….half the time its dr. jones.
I disagree with dykstraw on his feelings on willie but at least he makes lucid, valid points, dr jones you are the weakest link, goodbye….
see bobby v lovers i can have nostalgia for something that was way overrated 7 years ago too!!!
A “Weakest Link” reference!?!? Wow.
Ah — sorry, man. Just caught that you caught yourself. ;)
well, agreed, there’s no point in just screaming and slamming the keyboard. at least when i do that i hit delete and the back button.
but there’s also no point to having an opinion just to be contrary to someone you don’t like. especially when in this case the other guy is just words on a screen.
believe me, my opinion on willie or anyone else has nothing to do what anyone here thinks – unless someone makes a good argument that changes my mind.
or to just be contrary……thats Skip Bayless’s job (and the only thing he can do by my count)
The Wilpons should pay every Mets fans’ co-pays on their anti-depressant meds. This is out of hand.
Its not that dude……be smart here. The passion and gamer mentality is not there anymore. They are loafing right now and a shakeup needs to happen.
Dude, I want Willie gone. I am just saying I am depressed about this team!
Since last June watching the Mets has been like visiting the dentist.
Believe me, listening to the Mets is no picnic either. Howie’s agita is the only thing that keeps me sane.
Nah, the dentist at least gives you Novacaine.
Gipper. Don’t be depressed. That is not the right attitude. Be angry. Passionate. Seek change. The characteristics that none of these players has. We should stage a revolt. What should have happened after last season, will need to take place after this weekend. This Yank/Mets thing is fun. Meaningless. Willie goes either way.
I’ve been angry and passionate. I’ve seeked change. Wnated change after The Collapse. Hopefully it will still come.
Still, I am less than confident that it will ultimately alter the overall trajectory of this club. I was eleven years old for the last championship. I’d like to see another one in my lifetime. Right now, it’s just depressing. When the Mets had crappy teams in the 90s, early 80s, etc, i couldbe sanguine. But to spoil a talented team is just such a waste.
statements all made by guierIINO MOta today,, this guy’s statements speak for themselves..
Brother,, sorry but you really don’t know what your talking about.. and when numerous people constantly tell you that you don’t know what your talking about.. maybe its time to reflect a bit. Your lost.
“hey hey ho ho….hojo has got to go….we cant lose 1-0 to jason bergmann and have him keep his job….somehow a lot of you will blame Willie here, but he got Pelf to do his thing this whole season has been about lack of hitting….see ya Hojo.”
“the prob with a handful of posters on this site is that while most of the willie-haters turned that way in August 2007 (or maybe even june or july) you have been that way since 2005…”
“To me…if Willie goes, wait till the end of the year and try and bring Acta back…as you can see when we let a gret baseball mind go to the Nats/Expos”
“eople are so used to playing fantasy and video games that they forget how real baseball moves (players & coaches) work.”
“HE ONLY “CONSTANT REMINDER” OF 2007 COLLAPSE ARE THE MORONS ON THIS SITE WHO BRING IT UP EVERY SINGLE DAY IN THE MESSAGE BOARDS, THE PLAYERS DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT….IM WAITING FOR ONE SMART GUY TO WRITE HOW JOHAN FOCUSES ON 2007 EVERY TIME HE LOSES…RIDICULOUS”
“Bobby V was a horrible manager and cost us 5 of the 6 years he was here with his nonsensical moves, sitting players who were hot and making way to many changes, his players hated him and if it wasnt for 2000 he woulda been fired no later than 01, get this nostalgia out of your head
In 5 years we will all be remembering Art Howe as a savior too I guess”
No comment. That Johan comment makes no sense…
you guys both need to calm down, this isn’t fight club
Seriously, save the hatred for the right targets: Willie and his underperforming team.
We are all Mets fans. I agree. We are always quickest to point fingers and say, “well I am more loyal”, “I am a better Mets fan”, “I never boo”. Let’s target the people who really are the cause. The players and managers. For one thing, nobody in their right mind would be a Mets fan for the sake of saying so.
Anybody remember when last year in July, a guy from Queens killed his mother following a Mets loss to the Nats?
I hope no one here has that type of anger.
problem i have? …
the whole game..all i saw was smiles laughing, lack of hustle, and some nice conversations in the dugout…
did anyone notice when delgado hit his groundout BIG SMILE
when reyes got caught at 3rd BIG SMILE and a “eh” look
beltran when doubled off…jogged off like nothing happened not even a reaction!
WHEN THE FRIGGIN INFIELD HUDDLED AROUND PELF WHEN HE WAS TAKIN OUT …THE KID WAS PISSED AND YET EVERYIONE ONE AROUND HIM, WHO BTW DIDNT EVEN SCORE A FRIGGIN RUN FOR HIm!!!! ALL SMILES…
the philles yesterday …were livid when they couldnt scratch out those last few runs… the marlins…. HEART got them 6 runs back in the 9th !
THE FRIIGGGINNN NATIONALS walked all over us WITH swagger…because they know we’re flat and lifeless…
with the exception of church, schneider, smith, and waggs….just a plain flat team with no heart or drive for success.
leyland? no picthing is why the tigers are where they are and thats not on him… GREAT manager. Willie has a little bit of everything. and he doesnt push for more. this team has no drive and IM SORRY FOR YOU PEOPLE DEFENDING HIM…but that my friends is on WILLIE
Mets are a bunch of lifeless, gutless wonders right now. They lack energy, passion and that is the manager. He took away any fight they had left by telling players to tone it down. BIG MISTAKE WILLIE. You took the drive out of your team. When you lost the team it becomes an issue. Bring back the Boys of 86….
Mets don’t even do the fundamental things on the field anymore. It’s a shame.
I do think Willie has lost the team and unless some players are going to man-up and say and show some fight, he will have to go to change the attitude.
But thats the tough part of baseball, passion is good, pressing is bad and makes things worse….. the key is to be confident and passionate and I think those are traits that you have or dont, not ones you can adopt or learn.
It also doesnt seem that Omar looked at competitiveness in the people he was adding vs them being productive….once and of course being Latin seemed to be a priority as well. How did we get the non fiery latin ballplayers?????
I agreed with the first part of your comment until you put in the race issue.
I would also love to see the media assign some spanish speaking writers every now and then to cut off that excuse that some of the players are hiding behind vs owning up to thier dismal performances.
Matt Holliday led the Colorado Rockies to their first World Series last season, finishing second in the National League MVP balloting.
Matt Holliday: Career stats
Matt Holliday
Colorado Rockies
Left field
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Year G H AVG HR RBI R
2004 121 116 .290 14 57 65
2005 125 147 .307 19 87 68
2006 155 196 .326 34 114 119
2007 158 216 .340 36 137 120
2008 37 47 .318 6 21 27
Totals 596 722 .319 109 416 399
But Holliday, an All-Star left fielder, might not be in Colorado much longer if the Rockies do not revive soon.
The Rockies, 10 games back in the NL West, almost certainly would consider trading Holliday, knowing they stand little chance of keeping him long-term.
From MLB trade rumors:
Rosenthal’s Latest: Rockies Could Trade Holliday
In Ken Rosenthal’s latest column, he sees Matt Holliday as a prime candidate to be traded this summer. Rosenthal notes that the Rockies are already 10 games back and have very little chance of signing Holliday to an extension. Holliday is signed through ‘09 with $13MM due next season.
there is no way we have the chips to get this guy
If the Rockies continue to fall then it is an option with the Mets if only because of the Mets ability to meet his request for a 4 year contract after ‘09. Not many teams can pay like the Mets and Yankees.
Chips? yeah…if we totally depleted our farm then we could do it. We could even throw in Heilman as an extra!
Our farm is already depleted. I believe that only Pittsburgh had a worse-rated system based on Baseball America.
In other words, if you don’t like the 2008 Mets, there is nothing good on the horizon.
aaron effin boone