Matthew Cerrone

postGame: Mets 7 Yankees 4
By Matthew Cerrone - May 17, 2008 10:05 pm

The Mets (21–19) defeated the Yankees (20–23) by the score of 7 to 4 in the Bronx yesterday.

For a boxscore, stats, etc, check out SNY’s Recap Page.

  • Johan Santana looked great, minus the three times he allowed a home run.  It’s amazing how great he can be, yet allow so many long balls.  It’s odd.  Anyway, Santana in to the eighth, to Billy Wagner, is always going to be a winning combination.
  • Ryan Church picked up a hit in the gap by Bobby Abreu, threw to Luis Castillo, who threw to Brian Schneider, who blocked home plate with his foot, tagging out Johnny Damon, who was trying to score from first.
  • Given all the stress around the Mets of late, I am happy they were lead to victory by Santana, and David Wright and Jose Reyes.  It only seems fitting to me.  Wright was 3 for 5 with a home run, while Reyes was 2 for 5 also with a home run.  Nice job by Reyes, running so hard out of the box on his home run, because in most parks that’s bouncing off the wall, that he essentially sprinted around the bases, while trying to hold his batting helmet from falling off.  Run, Reyes, run.
  • It was clear that Joba Chamberlain would be throwing an inside fastball to Carlos Delgado, with a Carlos Beltran on third in the ninth, and the Mets up two.  Yet, he turned on it and ripped a ground ball by the first baseman, allowing Beltran to score and add an insurance run.
  • I was not nervous at all, with Billy Wagner pitching and two runners on and no outs in the ninth.  Not nervous at all.  You’re right, Billy, you can pitch in the eighth.  He’s looking more and more like a Cy Young candidate every day.

The Mets face the Yankees tonight at Yankee Stadium on ESPN at 8 pm, with Oliver Perez taking on Chien-Ming Wang.

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Comment by metsftw
2008-05-18 10:18:42

haha, perez is going to last 4 innings, if that. he’ll be at 100 pitches with the patient yankee lineup before you know it. thankfully the bullpen’s rested.

Comment by m00kie
2008-05-18 10:49:39

7.2 innings, 5 hits, 2 er, 5 k, 2 bb
7.1 innings, 5 hits, 0 er, 6 k, 3 bb

ollie’s two starts against the Yankees last year. And that’s with a-rod and posada. Here’s hoping this year’s Ollie returns to his big game form.

 
Comment by darkstar73
2008-05-18 13:05:10

actually Ollie usually kills lefty heavy line ups, look for him to have a pretty good start.

 
Comment by Danny1986
2008-05-18 13:46:25

The same Yankee lineup that at one point produced 9 outs on 17 pitches yesterday?

Yeah, you know your stuff. Good job.

Comment by metsftw
2008-05-18 14:16:58

yeah, against JOHAN SANTANA. i mean, if you want to compare a scrub with Santana, you’ve got no business talking to me. then again, you have no business talking to me in the first place.

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Comment by Danny1986
2008-05-18 14:19:03

bedwetter

 
Comment by Gina
2008-05-18 16:22:57

A scrub who’s been destroying lefties so far this season.

 
Comment by metsftw
2008-05-18 20:38:09

good for him. too bad righties destroy him.

 
 
 
 
Comment by Free Aaron Heilman
2008-05-18 10:21:33

Questions for those who said the weekend series would be a referendum by the Mets players on Willie …

If the Mets win tonight and sweep, does that mean they approve and want him to stay?

If they lose tonight and split the series, does it mean at worst they are neutral on him?

If they had lost yesterday and were to lose tonight, does that mean they had no faith in him and wanted him to be fired?

What say you?

Comment by WrightPower
2008-05-18 10:26:53

Agreed hopefully they’ll stay quiet for a while and actually start cheering for their team (and coach).

It was nice to see a starting pitcher stay in late, refreshing.

Let’s see Ollie last 7-8 strong, make a statement.

 
Comment by dannyguira
2008-05-18 10:27:24

willie did a great job yesterday showing everything the fans wanted them to see. He managed a great ballgame!! He was into the game showing emotions, he placed fielders in perfect spots to field the ball and he minimized pitchers by going straight to Billy Wagner from Santana in the Eight.
He has ALWAYS been a good manager although he is stubborn sometimes and yesterday he showed that he is listening to what the fans say and want him to do and therefore showing that he really has emotions and cares about winning like we do.
Hopefully you can keep on doing a great job Willie!!
We really want you to succeed deep down.
By the way the NY Times has a good article on Willie and his emotions on saturdays game

Comment by Free Aaron Heilman
2008-05-18 10:32:55

danny, you can’t limit pitchers when you don’t always have Santana starting for you. It’s really out of Willie’s hands.

And Willie often positions players on the field.

He might have been a little more active yesterday, but maybe he got caught up a little in being back at Yankee Stadium for one of the last times and it being a subway series game?

I read the NYTs piece and thought it was a little silly. Did I really need a blow-by-blow account of what Willie did in the dugout, such as clapping 6 times and stuff like that?

So, danny, do you think the weekend series should determine Willie’s fate?

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Comment by johnstearns
2008-05-18 12:15:33

Re the Times coverage — looked to me like Shpigel and Curry had a wager going, and the winner got to cover the game, the loser had to cover the other team’s embattled manager….

 
 
Comment by metsftw
2008-05-18 12:40:52

if willie is listening to the fans, he needs to have his head examined. the majority of fans are ignorant idiots who didn’t play baseball past 8th grade.

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Comment by Danny1986
2008-05-18 13:48:35

or, as you continually prove, have yet to even reach 8th grade.

 
 
 
Comment by NegativeFan
2008-05-18 10:34:34

Nope. Individual Ws mean zero at this point. They need to show they can string 6 or 7 of these together before we get excited

Comment by Free Aaron Heilman
2008-05-18 10:53:09

So even if they had gotten swept this weekend, it wouldn’t have meant they disapproved of Willie, right?

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Comment by MEX
2008-05-18 11:48:43

No, because if they got swept, it would have meant that they lost 5 of 6 to last place teams.

 
Comment by Free Aaron Heilman
2008-05-18 12:10:04

So, you’re saying it’s a vote against Willie if they had gotten swept but it’s not a vote for him if they had swept?

You can’t have it both ways. Just can’t.

 
 
Comment by m00kie
2008-05-18 10:54:27

before you get excited you mean? Who are you speaking for?

right now, in the entire major leagues, the longest winning streak is 4 games, and that’s held by the Orioles and the White Sox.

But you need 6-7 in a row to be “excited” about this team? Time to readjust your expectations game to the reality of parity in the big leagues.

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Comment by m00kie
2008-05-18 11:24:33

sorry .. the reds have a 5 game streak going, raising them to a dominating 20-23. Streaks are not necessarily an indication of a great team.

I think though, the real issue is, there are not really any great teams in the majors right now, meaning anyone has a chance to rise above, by “getting hot at the right time” as they say.

 
Comment by MEX
2008-05-18 11:52:25

I don’t think any Mets fan is asking for a 7 game winning streak, but I would like to see this team play good baseball for an extended period of time. I think that winning 8 of 10 would temper my desire to see Randolph fired, but mostly just seeing a team play smart, fundamentally sound baseball with hustle would do the same. I can live with the Mets not winning if good teams playing good baseball beat them - I can’t stand watching them lose to bad teams because the Mets play even worse baseball.

 
Comment by m00kie
2008-05-18 11:58:40

“They need to show they can string 6 or 7 of these together”

this fan specifically was asking for a 7 game winning streak, and this what I was addressing.

That said, I agree, a long period of good baseball, win or lose, would do a lot to grab my full attention back to this team.

 
Comment by Constnza81V2.0
2008-05-18 12:36:31

As someone who has grown frustrated with Randolph at this point and wouldn’t mind a change, I think most fans agree with your assessment of what is “needed.” The fact is Wang is a good pitcher and even if Ollie is on his game, the Mets could still lose tonight but play a good game. Personally, with a hard sinkerballer on the mound, I want to see an approach at the plate where the hitters are not trying to pull off everything unless they’re ahead in the count or with a lead. I want to see smart baserunning in what stands to be a close game. And I don’t want to see Aaron Heilman in a late-inning situation in a 1-run or tied game.

Prolonged winning streaks are tough for even the most dominant teams in baseball. But it’s not unreasonable to expect a team with $140M payroll and a TON of talent, to play smart baseball for 10 days.

 
 
 
Comment by wallybackman'sfire
2008-05-18 10:43:58

My answers Free Aaron Heilman are as follows -

No. No. And no.

 
Comment by Danny1986
2008-05-18 14:07:20

FAH -

What are you trying to prove? I love this argument tactic. You ask 3 questions, and if we don’t have concise answers/arguments for each one of them, than our entire stance is illegit.

You might have some level of comfort by putting things in your perspective with these 3 questions. But your perspective is missing one major issue. And that is this……WE SHOULDN’T EVEN BEING ASKING THESE QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT IN THE SEASON WITH THIS TEAM!!! Front and center, that is the point.

Every scenario you list falls into the category of “Difusing a bomb after it has already gone off”. What say us? We say Willie should have been gone last October. The referendum has already passed.

Yes…they have to win tonight. They have to win the ATL series. Adn they have to prove that they can win 8 out of 10. playing .500 baseball ain’t cutting it. They (under Willie) haven’t proved anything yesterday, nor will a win tonight do anything definitive. Proof is in doing it again, and again, and again. Something they haven’t done over the last 162 games.

Comment by Free Aaron Heilman
2008-05-18 14:59:13

Hi Danny —

I am trying to show that those in the media and among the fans who said this weekend will be a referendum by the players (not by the fans) on whether the players will play hard for Willie and whether they like him or not will now change thei