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Coming off impressive victories against the Yankees over the weekend, it was important for the Mets to continue their momentum in
That momentum was halted yesterday by losing both games of a day-night doubleheader against their division foe.
For the past 11 months this team has continued their pattern of inconsistent play, in which they follow up a couple impressive wins with a stretch of lackadaisical, uninspiring play that may result in a change in the manager’s office.
This team has far too much talent to have a 22-21 record and play in such an inconsistent manner. Yes, the players do play the game and should take full responsibility for their on field play, however it’s the manager who sets the message and clearly Willie Randolph’s message may not be resonating in the clubhouse anymore.
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Mike, I agree with you 100%
i’ve supported Willie since the beginning, but….something has to change, a fire must be lit somewhere
I agree as well. The question for the Wilpons isn’t whether or not its Willie’s fault, but can this group turn it around amidst all the negative energy that surrounds Randolph at this point.
As a supporter of Willie, I believe they can’t at this point. They are already wilting somewhat under the immense pressure to win, he will likely drag them down with him.
Do the players a favor at this point, fire him and replace him with someone from within that the players know and will respect.
One of the more sensible post I have read in a while.
he said race, hes fired. just not right away.
otherwise he will say race again
Fire Willie!! Every team in the majors has talent and can have a few bursts of well played games. This Mets team still seems to still think they can click on when they want to. We need a fiery coach who’ll embarrass these slackers when they deserve it. I think Pedro’s pitching days are almost finished and he’d make a great manager.
Whoa, as it stands, Pedro is a player with no managing experience.
It isn’t an easy job & takes more than just a great character.
im with ya mike. I have defended willie for a while but its getting harder and harder to defend him. Its almost as if he is trying to make a case to get outta here.
Well said, Mike.
IMO this team is too talented to be mired in this mediocrity.
I’ve been a fan of Willie, but he should have been let go after last year. Not so much for the blame, but for the need of a change.
Sure Willie isn’t swinging the bats or running the bases, but it is his responsibility to have the team prepared, confident, loose and ready to play. Every game. Even after tough losses. Right now, they have no fight…no heart.
Getting rid of Omar, scrapping some players all might be needed, but let Willie go first……..
Couldn’t agree more. Willie is a heck of a nice guy, but he seems to be losing his mind and his wits. At this point he seems more concerned with blaming the media and the fans for his shortcomings then worrying about this team.
I think it’s defintiely time for a change, even if it’s just a for the sake of shaking it up.
Of course, everytime someone says this, people want replacements:
- Charlie Manuel
- Wally Backman
- Ken Oberkfell
- Gary Carter
JERRY Manuel!!!!!!!!! Charlie is fully employed elsewhere.
Sorry…I always brain fart that….My B.
his middle name is charles. Jerry Charles Emanuel Maneul III
Doesn’t matter….the Wilpons will not do anything about it. When have they ever been pro-active?
Last winter? Shelling out a lot of money to Johan?
I gotta say, the Wilpons have been great in the last few years in giving reign for Omar to spend money and make moves. In fact, because of all the money they’ve spent, I’d bet their more apt to pull the trigger to fire Willie.
And they were fair to Randolph in not making him the September scapegoat, they have nothing to be ashamed of in firing him now, it hasn’t worked out. There was just too much resistance. They also have nothing to apologize to the fans about if they make a change. They chose to give willie another shot with a short leash, it didn’t work out, his latest fight with the media has put a cloud over the club house, we acted quickly, we believe we can win, lets get past it.
A cloud would certainly be lifted from Shea, I would imagine.
The word “scapegoat” implies unjustly blaming someone for something that is not their fault.
Randolph was the Manager for the great Collapse of 2007. He doesn’t seem to remember anything about it, but I do.
You have got to be kidding? The Wilpons have done just about everything one can expect from an owner to build a quality team.
Unfortunately, I’m afraid I must agree. I don’t think switching managers is any kind of magic bullet, and I generally like Willie’s no-nonsense low-key style but there is just too much chaos and lack of focus on this team right now. Nothing short of a 10-2 run will right the ship, regardless of who the manager is. But the Great Collapse of Ought Seven is just too much for any first-time manager to bear, and it seems that he has collapsed under its weight.
Unfortunately I don’t see an heir apparent with clear leadership skills waiting in the wings. Hey I know - how about a trade with our cross-town rivals? He knows our division as well as anyone. And I’m sure Randolph wouldn’t mind the pinstriped uni.
Haha…not a bad idea. The Yankees can have Joe Torre light back and we can get the fiery, boot camp style of Joe Girardi to light a fire under these guys.
This light a fire thing is way over rated in my opinion. They need just the opposite, they need some pressure relieved. They are uptight and it manifests itself in pathetic baseball. They need some of the pressure relieved, there is only one card to play at this point. If it doesn’t work, well you have the rest of the year to get set for 09.
Clubhouse massages? Pepto Bismol? Gas X? What is the card to play? They need a fire lit.
Something worked for the Yankee series. If they can’t get up for the Braves, then they may as well no play at all.
Come on if Giardi can light a fire why are the Yankee’s in LAST PLACE?
I agree Real, Girardi would be the last answer. I especially do not want another Yankee
The Yankees didn’t want Willie to manage when he was there, or he wouldn’t be here. He would have been kept in the loop, much like Girardi was when he interviewed with the Orioles and then blew them off in an instant. The word around town was that the Yankees told him to sit tight because his future with them was looking bright. Willie never got that vote of confidence, because he was never getting the job.
And of course I’m not talking about the same time-frame before anyone brings that up. But before Willie came to the Mets he was the Yankees bridesmaid but never the bride. He stuck around there as long as he could, and it became obvious that he was never going to manage that team.
When Willie is out of here, his managerial career is over. Nobody is going to take the risk of being run through the media like the Mets have been this past week. He probably kissed a few TV gigs goodbye too, calling out the network and everything.
Makes you wonder if he has something else in mind, because he’s smarter than this.
aught seven
thanks for the correction, I aughta have gotten this one right
Nichols, you are saying that the losing is mostly willies fault?
No, I’m not saying Willie is the reason they are losing. I’ve always said players should take most of the responsibility, but obviously there is a disconnect between the manager and the players and that is something that needs to be looked at.
We are often told that baseball is a business. In the business world, if a business unit consistently underperforms and does not meet expectations, the blame is placed on the manager of that unit. In most instances, the manager of the underperforming unit is replaced, unfairly or not.
If baseball is a business, why should Willie be exempt from this fundamental business rule?
Heh, what you write sounds logical but is far from the truth. It failing business units managers are deftly able to reflect the blame to get promoted into senior positions, leaving the hardest working fools at the bottom to get sacked. So by this reasoning Charlie whatever, the clubhouse equipment guy, has the most to fear from this current slide.
Charlie Samuels. And you call yourself a Mets fan?!