Comments on: Opinion: Minaya, from Howe to Here http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-from-howe-to-here/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 16:12:12 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: jamie http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-from-howe-to-here/#comment-180083 jamie Thu, 22 May 2008 20:51:10 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-and-the-players-on-the-field/#comment-180083 well, considering the possibilities last year, if they explored a two year deal, I can understand that. Somehow, given the evidence to date, I think we ended up with the best answer for that particular position (though I was flummoxed at the time). I don't see that omar has a rigid methodology for team building. The clear examples for age and health are obviously Pedro and Castillo (and depending on your point of view, alou), and as you know (though I don't remember if you advocate) the case for Pedro is that signing him re-legitimized the team. He's made moves all over the board, and some worked, but others didn't. Some seem clearly ill-advised. Which, again, is why I think much of your criticsm is valid. Just perhaps not in this particular case (VCarver vs. Omar and Posada). please don't be offended if I don't reply anymore, it's beer o'clock. LGM, happy to continue this another time well, considering the possibilities last year, if they explored a two year deal, I can understand that. Somehow, given the evidence to date, I think we ended up with the best answer for that particular position (though I was flummoxed at the time).

I don’t see that omar has a rigid methodology for team building. The clear examples for age and health are obviously Pedro and Castillo (and depending on your point of view, alou), and as you know (though I don’t remember if you advocate) the case for Pedro is that signing him re-legitimized the team. He’s made moves all over the board, and some worked, but others didn’t. Some seem clearly ill-advised. Which, again, is why I think much of your criticsm is valid. Just perhaps not in this particular case (VCarver vs. Omar and Posada).

please don’t be offended if I don’t reply anymore, it’s beer o’clock. LGM, happy to continue this another time

]]> By: Free Aaron Heilman http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-from-howe-to-here/#comment-179994 Free Aaron Heilman Thu, 22 May 2008 20:06:24 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-and-the-players-on-the-field/#comment-179994 Yeah, we hear these scattered rumors all the time. But with Posada, it wasn't just rumors. It was scheduled meetings and information from club sources reported by respected journalists like Madden. Very concrete stuff. And even if the reports exaggerated the interest and it wasn't exactly top priority,I still find the idea that they had serious interest in Posada very disturbing He would have been all wrong for the chemistry of the team, and another huge injury/health risk as soon as this year. And he had already been making around $11 million. So there was no way Omar thought he could get him for much less. I think the interest in Posada is just so typical of Omar's disregard for age and health risks. If the Wilpons don't seriously have a concern about this and/or Omar doesn't change his strategies, then the Mets are doomed to never win a WS under his tenure. I am convinced of that. Yeah, we hear these scattered rumors all the time. But with Posada, it wasn’t just rumors. It was scheduled meetings and information from club sources reported by respected journalists like Madden. Very concrete stuff.

And even if the reports exaggerated the interest and it wasn’t exactly top priority,I still find the idea that they had serious interest in Posada very disturbing He would have been all wrong for the chemistry of the team, and another huge injury/health risk as soon as this year. And he had already been making around $11 million. So there was no way Omar thought he could get him for much less. I think the interest in Posada is just so typical of Omar’s disregard for age and health risks. If the Wilpons don’t seriously have a concern about this and/or Omar doesn’t change his strategies, then the Mets are doomed to never win a WS under his tenure. I am convinced of that.

]]> By: nrmax88 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-from-howe-to-here/#comment-179988 nrmax88 Thu, 22 May 2008 20:03:13 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-and-the-players-on-the-field/#comment-179988 Anybody that blames Minaya is an ignorant dolt with no ounce of baseball knowledge. The most objective people in the world, Vegas, gave the Mets enormous odds to come out of the NL. That tells you he did all he had to do. People are so stupid its embarrasing. Anybody that blames Minaya is an ignorant dolt with no ounce of baseball knowledge. The most objective people in the world, Vegas, gave the Mets enormous odds to come out of the NL. That tells you he did all he had to do. People are so stupid its embarrasing.

]]> By: gipper82475 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-from-howe-to-here/#comment-179981 gipper82475 Thu, 22 May 2008 19:55:22 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-and-the-players-on-the-field/#comment-179981 These types of arguments are such fallacies. We hear this with Omar and Willie. People say, the team is so much better than the [insert Duquette or Steve Phillips or Art Howe or Mike Cubbage or George Bamburger here] era. Well, whoopty-do. The point is not to exceed the level of play during the worst years of the franchise. The point is to raise the level of play to rival the best years of the franchise! Yes, this team is better than the roster that Art Howe had. Then, shouldn't our expectations be higher? For the team, the manager and the GM? [For the record, I want to give Omar - without Bernazard - the opportunity to re-tool this team with a new manager.] These types of arguments are such fallacies.

We hear this with Omar and Willie. People say, the team is so much better than the [insert Duquette or Steve Phillips or Art Howe or Mike Cubbage or George Bamburger here] era. Well, whoopty-do.

The point is not to exceed the level of play during the worst years of the franchise. The point is to raise the level of play to rival the best years of the franchise!

Yes, this team is better than the roster that Art Howe had. Then, shouldn’t our expectations be higher? For the team, the manager and the GM?

[For the record, I want to give Omar - without Bernazard - the opportunity to re-tool this team with a new manager.]

]]> By: Free Aaron Heilman http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-from-howe-to-here/#comment-179980 Free Aaron Heilman Thu, 22 May 2008 19:53:54 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-and-the-players-on-the-field/#comment-179980 He's got crazy home/away splits due to that Arlington Park. He wouldn't hit like that at Shea. He’s got crazy home/away splits due to that Arlington Park. He wouldn’t hit like that at Shea.

]]> By: gipper82475 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-from-howe-to-here/#comment-179970 gipper82475 Thu, 22 May 2008 19:47:58 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-and-the-players-on-the-field/#comment-179970 Hey now, Dykstraw, we said that "we" were on the down low! Hey now, Dykstraw, we said that “we” were on the down low!

]]> By: Tidewater http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-from-howe-to-here/#comment-179967 Tidewater Thu, 22 May 2008 19:42:11 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-and-the-players-on-the-field/#comment-179967 I'm not suggesting they should go over slot for the sake of it. But to hog tie yourself based on a philosophy that other teams don't share is shooting yourself in the foot. I don't know enough about the college and HS scene to know who might or might not warrant going over slot. But with more parity on the big league level, I think it makes sense to flex your financial might where you can -- and where appropriate. I’m not suggesting they should go over slot for the sake of it. But to hog tie yourself based on a philosophy that other teams don’t share is shooting yourself in the foot. I don’t know enough about the college and HS scene to know who might or might not warrant going over slot. But with more parity on the big league level, I think it makes sense to flex your financial might where you can — and where appropriate.

]]> By: gipper82475 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-from-howe-to-here/#comment-179965 gipper82475 Thu, 22 May 2008 19:36:34 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-and-the-players-on-the-field/#comment-179965 They are sticking with slot? I thought they said they weren't going to continue that garbage? Ugh. That is horrid. They are sticking with slot? I thought they said they weren’t going to continue that garbage? Ugh. That is horrid.

]]> By: gipper82475 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-from-howe-to-here/#comment-179958 gipper82475 Thu, 22 May 2008 19:28:46 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-and-the-players-on-the-field/#comment-179958 Especially over a guy who appears one every two months (see, e.g.: Alou, Moises). Especially over a guy who appears one every two months (see, e.g.: Alou, Moises).

]]> By: gipper82475 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-from-howe-to-here/#comment-179956 gipper82475 Thu, 22 May 2008 19:26:39 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/05/22/opinion-minaya-and-the-players-on-the-field/#comment-179956 Well said by boooooo. That about sums up the state of the franchise. Well said by boooooo. That about sums up the state of the franchise.

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