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David Wright, as quoted by Marty Noble on MLB.com, speaking after last night’s game…
“I can accept losing. Not easily, but every team loses here and there. But to
go out and give the effort we’re giving, to go out and lose without a fight…I just don’t think we have the fire I would hope we’d have.
The problem isn’t (with the coaches or manager), the problem is with us, in here…I want (my teammates) to take it personally when we lose. I want them to be ticked off…If it was a matter of talent, it’d be different. If we just weren’t any good, I could put my head on the pillow at night and sleep. But to got through the motions every night…Talking about it doesn’t get it done.”
According to Noble, Wright was the only player left in the locker room when these comments were made.
…don’t look now, but david just took a huge step towards finally becoming this team’s captain…the transition is almost complete…
To hear more from Wright, read Noble’s entire report.
this is the first good news I’ve read all day.
I don’t understand how these type of comments are good news. I don’t want to be nieve and although I really don’t believe it, I still try and hold out hope that this team really does care and that they want to win. These comments by Wright I think just confirm everybody’s perception, assumption, whatever you want to call it that these players aren’t giving it there all and they really don’t care and that they haven’t learned anything.
And people don’t understand why we boo and why we have been so angry and harsh to this team. Wright is finally starting to see what we have all been seeing since September. And then Willie and all these other people make comments that they don’t understand why the Met fan has been so angry and diconnected to the team. The Met fans must not have gotten over last year they say.
It’s these comments by Wright that says it all. Just the fact that he has any doubt that his teammates don’t take the losing hard shows that there is a problem
Word.
This whole situation stinks like a rotting corpse. I’m happy David has stopped playing the rookie, but it’s unfortunate that he’s in this position — and that we as fans have to endure $100 million mediocrity.
Sometimes, you have to call attention to the rotting corpse in order for it to get removed.
Thats funny … I smelled the rotting corpse for quite a while now.
haha marty noble just got credit for matt saying the transistion to wright becoming captain is almost complete
on m&md
I heard that too. I realize the don’t know sports, but I at least thought they could read.
someone ought to call in and correct them…
good. let’s hope it translates into better play.
It should be mentioned, he was the lone player left in the clubhouse at the time of the quote…
When Wagner says it he’s a bigot. When Wright says it he’s a saint.
Who said Wagner was a bigot? I thought only the fans were racist.
No, its SNY that paints him as a bigot…
Wait, I thought SNY was bigoted in the way in portrayed Willie on camera?
I’m so confused!
its not what they said its how they said it.
What i want to know is exactly what teamates are these guys calling out so i know who to regret not booing this whole time.
But thats the issue. Not that I think the issue has anything to do with the ethnicity of the players, I’d imagine the guys he’s criticizing are hispanic. He’s not criticizing Church or Schneider. Its gotta be guys like Castillo, Beltran, Delgado, etc. So when Wagner criticizes them for not being accountable to the media for their failures, people look through a racial lens at the people he is calling out. Lo Duca was far more explicit. Wright sounds like he agrees with the targets of their ire, but luckily isnt being criticized the same way
thats awfully presumptive hojomojo. How do you know its not white guys in the bullpen…
Fine, add Heilman to the list. But what everyday players is he calling out? I would imagine they are the same guys the fans are criticizing. They happen to be hispanic, and that doesnt mean that the fans are racist, or that hispanic players have no heart or any of that nonsense. It just means that Delgado, Beltran etc don’t really care.
I’ll trade you Beltran for Aaron Heilman in our fantasy clubhouse…
Couldn’t agree more. To quote the Seinfeld about communism. “I NEED NAME”
I never realized ’saints’ followed up their words with, “F**king shocker.”
I think we’ve been cursed, I just read that a fan died at Turner field.
“ATLANTA — Alcohol was a factor in the death of a 25-year-old man who fell down a stairwell at Turner Field during the game between the Atlanta Braves and New York Mets.
Justin Hayes of Cumming, Ga., suffered head injuries Wednesday night and was taken to Grady Memorial Hospital. He fell about 150 feet from the club level to the landing on the field level during the eighth inning.”
….
“Earlier this season, a fan at Shea Stadium in New York was killed when he plunged four stories from an escalator during a game. According to media reports, witnesses said the man was perched on the escalator handrail when he lost his balance and fell. “
Wasn’t the Shea Stadium incident after a game with the Braves?
If so, the Indian Gods have got it all wrong. We’re not the team blaspheming their ancestral heritage. Direct your heavenly smite at Red, NOT Orange!
I don’t know if anyone listened to Joe Beningo this afternoon, but I love his idea of just cutting Delgado to really send a jolt to this team. Delgado represents everything that is wrong with this team’s pysche, and I know on paper the move would hurt the team, but the long term ramifications could be really beneficial.
Whats the worst that could happen? Mike Carp hits .230? Go for it…..
I like it, but trading him for spare parts is probably the better move, but I guess they’re not mutually exclusive. You have to eat his salary in either case. Put out feelers, then, when teams realize he’ll be free in short order, put him on waivers and see if someone claims him.
I have been aying the exact same thing for days . Glad that big Joe agrees with me.
I like the idea. Bring in Carp, he can’t possibly be worse. Look at Delgado’s WARP3 number: its 1.8. I think even Carp can get a WARP3 of 2 or 3.
matfan, I know we dont always see eye to eye, but I agree witgh you wholeheartedly. I would like too see Omar go into the lockeroom after another brutal loss and just cut a guy or 2 on the spot infront of everybody. Wake these guys up. Cut Delgado, sign Hatteberg, platoon him with Tatis. I know some people will say no to HAtteberg, but he is a pro hitter, who makes contact and is smart. The mets need smart hitters. A guy who can tell the difference between a 1 run game with the trying run on 3rd with 1 out in the 9th, and a blowout where the game is decided by the 7th. The Mets need a guy who isnt a star, but smart and talented enough to help us out in big spots. He is the kind of hitter that will get a run home from 3rd with 1 out because he will know that is his job, to get the run in. Delgado doesnt seem to care what the situation is, he has to same loopy swing even when we desperately need a run and is just as likely to strikeout with the tying run on 3rd with 1 out, as he is in a 10 run blowout. Most of our team is the same, they dont hit situationally, they dont alter their approach depending on the situation. This is why we constantly get guys on 3rd with 0 or 1 outs and they dont score. I would also love Kendry Morales, who could be our 1B of the future and then we wouldnt hav to be tempted to throw 20 mil at Tex over 8 years, which would be a big mistake.
I posted this earlier, but instead of cutting him and wasting talent to pick up a lefty bat off the bench… how about playing him less? this idea that he makes all this money and needs to play everyday is what has plagues the mets whenever they are overpaying a guy. Accept that he is an overpaid platoon/bench guy… maybe his production goes up. This is a trend I noticed last year… you can find the number similar.
Delgado after off days…
4/5 2-4, 2R, 1 2b
4/8 2-4, 1R, 1 HR, 1 rbi
4/15 0-2, BB
5/2 2-4, BB, 1 rbi
5/10 3-4, 2 r, 1 HR, 1 2b, 1 rbi
5/17 2-5, 1 rbi
5/20 0-4
11-27, .400
I think the point is more to get Delgado’s attitude off the team rather than his mediocre numbers.
Beningo is an idiot. Delgado is going to carry this team. Just a couple weeks ago he was saying that we should cut Schoenweis.
Delgado is going to carry the team? And you’re basing this assumption on…..?
…the fact that he’s one of the few players on this team that can by himself.
I love that man. I hate to bring this up,I really really do, because I usually hate when other bring it up, but it seems like the only guys with any accountability and desire to win are Wagner, Wright, Church, and Schneider, our whiteys. I saw Endy and Reyes and Castillo laughing in the dugout last night in the 7th inning or so and just threw my remote against the wall. It is incredibly frustrating. But on the bright side, the Phillies stink, the Braves cant beat anybody but the Mets, Pedro is coming back soon, and Reyes is starting to heatup. I really thought the Mets would take off in Atlanta, but hopefully it starts tonight.
Agree on the players, but not on the underlying interpretation.
And some fans doubt that the Mets fan base doesn’t have racists?
:roll:
I am definitely not a racist, I have been defending Omar and his love for latin guys for years now. Omar is my favorite GM of any team I have ever rooted for. Jose Reyes is my favorite player and Pedro Martinez is my favorite pitcher of all time. It isnt a league wide thing, look at guys like David Ortiz and Vlad Guerrero, Pujols etc, who obviously care about winning. It just seems on this team the latin players aren’t bothered as much by losing as Wright/ Wagner are.
I absolutely cannot agree with you in the way you worded this, but I do feel like there is a separation between the groups to a point. It’s not about race though, it’s about different players playing for different leaders so to speak. At least if you believe the stuff about Bernazard. Again, it’s not about race, but it might be about one person being undermined and another abusing his power.
I already wish there was an edit button. But anybody that has been posting here for a long time knows tht I have always been a Minaya defender, one of the biggest Minaya defenders there are, and I am usually the one to jump down the guys throat who says something like “way to go Omar, sign another latin scrub over a white guy who is better”, because it is indeed stupid and ridiculous. I also think Beltran and Alou really care a lot about winning also, and just dont speak out the way Wright and Wagner do. And I am in no way saying that all white players care about winning more then the latin guys do, but David Wright looks like he is on the verge of tears when he makes a big out, Reyes or Delgado go back into the dugout and smile and joke around.
I think Beltran and Delgado both care about winning as much as anyone on the Mets. Neither of them have the personality of a Wright or Wagner. But we can’t tell from TV what they feel in their hearts. When a pitcher is struggling Delgado is the first one to the mound to give him encouragement, to get him focused. He takes his slumps seriously and even Willie says he works BP as hard as anyone on the team. And Beltran has unfortunately always come off as aloof, but I think it’s just a cultural thing - it’s not his style to whine or moan or cry in front of the media.
I care about performance, not “fire.” The fire will come once they start winning a few.
The division is basically a four-way tie at this point, we shouldn’t panic. Just win baby.
I agree, Delgado always tries to help out our pitchers when they get into some trouble.
maybe one of his teammates should go up to him when he’s in the batters box. give him some encouragement as well
Are you serious!? How exactly is what he/she wrote racist? How is any of it not based of facts? Was Chavez, Reyes, and Catillo not joking in the dugout? Does it not seem like the only guys showing frustration, anger, and hustle are Wright, Church, and Wags? Church’s take out of Escobar is the best hard-nosed baseball I’ve seen from the Mets since the last decade. He may be banged up and yet he’s still asking in the lineup. I can’t expect or see that from Beltran.
Just because some guy praises players who just happens to be white do NOT make him a racist if it’s based on the facts.
He phrased it in racial terms. Therefore it’s racist.
vcarver, you can in fact note someone’s race and not be racist. If he/she blindly hated or judged a player solely because of race, sure that’s racist. To note that a group of people on the team, who happen to be a certain race/ethnicity/ etc, as a means of identifying them, is not racist.
Merely mentioning race does not make one’s comments *racist.* Here is a handy little definition of *racism*:
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
Just saying something like, white players seem more upset than latino players, is NOT racism. It would be called an observation. Now, I realize that most people don’t really know or understand the definition of racism and that is why they have to avoid making comments like that. But, again, just describing people by using their race is not an example of racism.
sheaheykid and metsfan227 … We will have to agree to disagree.
I agree that merely mentioning a race in a post is not racist. I mentioned blacks and whites in posts all week regarding the Willie interview.
But I disagree that the post in question was simply doing that. Rather there was a statement that cast aspersions on Latinos by saying they are lazy and only “our whiteys” hustle.
Sorry, but that’s racist. Maybe a relatively mild form. But it’s racist to me.
It doesn’t have anything to do with race, but it’s true that the players you name seem (to us, as outsiders) more bothered by losing than the other players on the team. Rather than “profiling”, however, the Mets need to consider the mental makeup of players before shelling out big bucks.
Where is AlreadyMissShea? He should see this.
I should see what? There’s a lot going on here,
Oh, I should see that there is racism out there? Yes, I never tried to convince you that there wasn’t.
Yes, out there and among the fan base.
If that’s not it, just let me know. I will be back in about a half hour, and I promise I will respond to you.
I already responded. Look above your post.
Oh, OK.
Sure, there is racism in anything. I never tried to convince you that there wasn’t.
What I said was that I did not feel that race was causing Willie any difficulties in doing his job as Mets manager. I also said I didn’t feel like Willie was being held to standards that any other manager wouldn’t be held to in this city.
Look at it this way. Let’s assume Willie doesn’t read the comments here. I mean let’s REALLY assume it because there’s no way he should be or would be reading them. So if a fan posts something racist here, is Willie victimized by it? I don’t believe so, even though it may be about him and it may be wrong. I feel like the victims in that case are the other posters who are subjected to it. So yeah, there’s racism in anything you can think of, but I don’t think it has effected Willie in his job whatsoever. I’m sure he has been a victim of racism in his personal life, and if I ever said anything to make it sound like I didn’t think that was a strong possibility, then I have been misunderstood.
OK, I have to take care of some errands, but we can talk about it in a while if you want.
Free Aaron Heilman, so I am racist now? Because I said that David Wright and Wagner seem to care the most? I agree there is plenty of racism in this fanbase, but it is not coming from me at all. This is ridiculous to the point of being offensive. If you dont think that Wright and Wagner seem to have more accountability and care the most about winning on this team then you arent watching close enough.
Or on the flipside, if I say that Reyes is the most athletic player on the team, followed by Beltran, and these guys have massive talent and by far the most athletic skill, does that make me racist against white people? Besides, how do you know that I wasn’t a black or latin guy making that statement? I am not, but I could have been, would that still have ben racist? If I think Willie should be fired, does that mean I hate black people?
AMS, the issue we discussed was never Willie in the workplace. That was never talked about by me.
It was whether there might have been a racial component to some of the treatment he’s been getting from the fan base and the media.
Your reply that day was to say that there is no or very little racism among the fan base. Your reply was to essentially say it didn’t exist (on the part of the fans).
And the point of pointing out this instance of racism now is not to say that it will victimize Willie. That’s the furthest thing from my mind. It’s more to say that racism is more endemic with the fan base than you will admit … and so don’t take Willie’s claim that he’s felt racism from fans and the media too lightly. Because when a fan says “our whiteys” hustle more than other folk, is it too far removed to imagine another one writing Willie a letter full of the “N” word? Or having a fan scream the “N” word to him at a game?
If you want more examples of fan racism, look at the posts at the bottom of this page:
mets.lohudblogs.com/2008/05/22/on-tap-today-alou-gets-mri/
nrmax88 — you phrased your comment in offensive racial terms. If you don’t think that way, then why did you write it that way?
FAH, you clearly are new to sarcasm and overly sensitive.
No, KFS, I am not new to sarcasm. And there’s no indication any of the language in question was sarcasm.
OK, sarcasm expert. Tell me how you know the following from the Lohud blog is sarcasm:
This team was founded for Queens and Long Islanders years ago, WE have to stop with these third world immigrant players coming here, playing OUR game, taking OUR money, not standing for theAnthem, and choking all the time doing cuchi cuchi dances and embarrassing us.
I’d like to know, KFS.
That’s not what max88 wrote now is it?
It was one of the phrases I had referenced in my post that you replied to. If you only meant your comment to refer to part of my post, you should have been more specific.
As for max88’s comment, I think he’ll be the first to tell you it wasn’t a sarcastic comment.
the thing about Metsblog comment that annoys me is the fact when there’s too many comments, it won’t nest so my post ended up on the bottom.
Also, the thing with max88’s comments is that you have to take it in context with other stuff he’s said before. I realize that take tons of effort but I wouldn’t indiscriminately call someone a racist and sticking to it without doing so.
You know, I never called him a racist. I said what he wrote is racist. And it was. And that it was indicative of racism among the Mets fanbase. (As that comment from the Lohud blog also shows.)
So if you want to differentiate the comment from how the person thinks or what the person is, I guess that’s doable. But I nonetheless find the comment offensive.
No, I think you did call him a racist:
“And some fans doubt that the Mets fan base doesn’t have racists?”
That was your direct response to his post.
KFS, I stand corrected. I did call him a racist then. Only he knows whether that label is appropriate or not. But I stand by my opinion that the comment made was racist.
It is not the first time I’ve seen comments like this on Metsblog. But I have to say it was one of the most blatant IMO.
David Wright: Player/Manager! How bout it?
too much for him.
But at this point, if there’s anyone I want screaming and turning over lunch tables, it’s him.
I really like what david wright said, hopefully this gets something going.
I don’t know if this is accurate but its something I’ve been thinking about since last season.
Last season I thought a major issue was the expiring contract of Paul Lo Duca. I used to think that because the Mets let him know they would not discuss a contract extension during the season that he became sort of a problem with the teams chemistry. In many ways I still feel there is something to this.
Now we have the same situation again. Carlos Delgado knows this team will not sign him to an extension or pick up his option. Now I’ve had the feeling for some time that he has undermined Willie and in a passive aggressive way destroying the club. I’m not even sure if any of his teammates realize this or even see it. I think he’s a phony. His on the field leadership is just a front. I don’t think he cares about this organization and doesn’t have any pride as a baseball player.
I think these situations are a new phenomenon in baseball. Something that comes about when players make million and millions of dollars and switch teams so frequently. I think these situations are also enhanced when there a clear lack of respect for the Manager or a lack of team chemistry. This sort of bullsh!! didn’t happen in the past because players played the game for love and also because they needed the money. Way back when players used to need the bonuses they got from post season play. Now they can sign one contract and sail off into the sunset.
I have serious suspicions about Why Moises Alou left yesterdays game. I don’t think he will be back until after Willie is gone or he may stay injured and retire. I think he did a very stand up thing yesterday and didn’t want to be a part of something. We’ll see.. Anyways I’m sure I attract some nice criticism for some of this.. So lets the games begin.. I’m here all night
Reading that post sapped an appreciable amount of intelligence directly out of my brain.
I agree with the hypoothosis about Delgado. Can’t say for sure it is true, but certainly fits the scene.
Alou though, who knows.
Not sure what sort of message you thought Moises was sending by walking off the field (other than he felt a legitimate strain and didn’t want to make it worse)?
I think the message he sent was “Ouch”
No surprise from here.
Get well soon.
until the injury report today i thought he just had to take a bm really really bad….
I think you may be reading too much into Moises leaving, however peculiar the circumstances. However, some of the points you raise are interesting.
Ultimately, the thing is I can’t see a guy like Delgado actively undermining the clubhouse and things like that. Generally, when a guy is headed to free agency, he’ll be playing for a contract. Its counterproductive not just for the team, but also to his future earnings to throw it in. Think about it- will Delgado get a bigger contract by not trying to win, and things like that, or by working hard and producing?
Now while he isn’t actively causing a problem, he may be doing it inactively. Perhaps he is doing just the bare minimum to get by. This sets a bad example for some of the latin guys on the team who view Delgado as a leader. They see him not try so hard, and perhaps they ease up a bit too. Now I’m not by any means saying its a race thing, becuase its silly. However, I feel that its easier to gravitate to someone who is more indentifiable to you.
I don’t know if this is necessarily whats going on, but rather these are some thoughts I had while reading your post.
I think you put it better than I did,, That is what I was trying to say when I called it passive aggressive.
the problem is, it’s inaccurate. If Delgado hit .310, 30 HR, 120 RBI this year, it’s certainly possible the Mets would resign him, he could be lashing out sure, but it’s his own fault and he has torealize he’s pretty much sucked as a Met.
No one is “easing” up because of the way Delgado “plays the game” he plays it exactly the same this year as he did in 2007, 2006, 2005 and so on…
the difference is that begining last year he has lost a split second in his timing at the plate, which is the difference in being an all-star and on the verge of retirement.
Do you think Keith Hernandez was not trying as hard in 1988? Or was he simply on the big precursor to 1989 and 1990?
I think reality lies somewhere between my crazy statements and your cut and dry opinion. Its been reported multiple times that Delgado never wanted to come to the Mets. Its also been said that there is a clear divide in the clubhouse.
Patrick, I’m not saying that I fully believe the words I wrote…When I read Dr.Jones’ post those are some of the thoughts that came into my head. Maybe that is the reason for this percieved racial divide…I dunno.
While I’d think Delgado is the consummate, intelligent, and well-spoken professional, I just can’t get myself past the comment he made last summer about being bored.
It was never reported multiple anything, he wanted the best contract he could get and he did not want Tony Bernazard involved in the negotiating because he felt Bernazard was a hack as the “Latin Translator” for the players union.
Delgado was fine when the Mets were winning in 2006 and hitting .350 with 1.000 OPS in the playoffs.
It has been rumored by fans that there must be a clear divide in the clubhuse, but the players keep saying otherwise.
I am sure as hell their are differences of opinions int he clubhouse on a great many things, but no one seems to be against anyone, and I don’t recall a single member of this “divide” throwing Heilman or Wagner under the bus when each barfed up a game in the NLCS.
The difference is simple, we all wanted to think that post 2006 it would only get better ie make and win a world series, it has not happened.
your wrong…. He made comments when he signed with the Marlins.
I remember hearing that AL Leiter told him a few things about the Mets organization and that he listened to AL and decided he didn’t want to play for the mets
let me get this straight Delgado is undermining Willie because of contract dispute, but Alou walking off the field and faking an injury was doing a stand up thing?
What planet are you on?
nope thats not was I was saying.
I’m not saying this is how it is. Its just one thought in trying to figure out why this clubhouse is divided.
I figured it would be food for thought and wanted to get the conversation away from all the constant Willie stuff. I think there might be something to some of that Delgado stuff.
I know I’m not alone in my thinking that the Mets did not come out last night and give 100%.
when you get your ass kicked you don’t quite look like you are dropping 100%, but frankly it is exactly what you said, one guy is dogging it on a contract, the other is stand up for walking out on his team, the clubhouse is not divided, the won loss record is just miserable.
The team might just not be any good this year.
Fine I’ll come right out and say it.
It deff crossed my mind that its possible the team no longer wants Willie as their manager. Howie Rose also mentioned how the team looks like they are waiting for the manager to get fired. After watching the way Castillo swung the bat and screwed up that play in the field, I think its POSSIBLE not for sure but POSSIBLE that some of the players are dogging it. and its also POSSIBLE that Alou didn’t want to disrespect the game and himself by playing in a game where he knew a few players where not giving 100%.
This is just a theory and not exactly what I believe. I’m just throwing this out there.
If Alou walked off the field rather than getting in the face of players he suspected were dogging it, he is a hundred times worse than them.
Good for David.
We all know that the problem is with the players. And the only way to solve the problem is to make those players go away.
The question then, is this: How can replacement players do worse than Delgado and Castillo?
And the other question is this: If nothing is physically wrong with Beltran, why isn’t he producing?
I think it’s time for a player with a “C” on his chest. I know some think it’s meaningless and only a little letter, but they need leadership, and if it’s not coming through from the managerial level then maybe it should come form their peers.
set aside their egos and savage the season
Delgado is part of the root of this team’s problem. He’s the veteran presence other players fall in line behind, and his attitude of being stoic and going about his business, added to the fact that he’s playing horribly, in all aspects of the game, puts a damper on the rest of the team. A guy like David Wright can’t fully assert himself and say something to Delgado because of who Delgado is. You cut Delgado, you change the pecking order in the clubhouse, and you hopefully change the way this team goes about playing the game.
God Bless America. I love it when the chickens come hoem to roost.
Delgado’s problem is not his leadership, it is that when you have done little in over a year, you can’t get in anyones face, all he can do is tell Aaron Heilman not to kill himself and tell he occassional pitcher to stick with it.
You guys are dreaming if you think Wright is going to “fully assert” himself.
That is unless you believe in the myth of Derek Jeter, the captain who has captained nothing since June 3, 2003, other than the worst Collapse in a playoff series by any team in baseball history three straight first round exits.
well put! I think the issue with Delgado is his humility. He can’t be all blustery - not only because it’s not his personality (and thus it would come off fake) but it’s because he isn’t living up to expectations. Remember how some fans got on him for not taking a curtain call? His response was that he didn’t deserve it. That’s not the answer of someone who doesn’t care.
I don’t think that DW should have excluded the coachs or manager. What have we seen this year to indicte they aren’t just going through the motions too?
anyway, this has all the earmarks of a pending ethnic blow up, since pretty soon the latin contingent that is being called out (not all of them, just some) might start paying attention and get upset. Assuming, of course, they care enough to!
as a first step, assume all players are trying their best. That means that if they are sucking, it is because they, well, suck. So, get rid of the biggest suckers.
If by coincidence the biggest suckers also captures some of the prime no care guys, a bonus!
At this point, Endy should go because he adds no value, and Delgado because he has to. Ditch Heilmann too, to keep the “balance”.
Good for David. So, Wags calls out his teammates for not caring and being unaccountable. Wags does the same.
And, um, Willie?????
a manager should not be calling out his players to the press, gipper. its just dumb. managers deal with things internally.
I’d be fine with that. Any indication that he has effectively dealt with this or anything else internally?
haha you are asking me a question i cant answer.
The answer is on the field every night.
“I’d like to have something TO save,” Wagner said.
How can anyone not love Wagner?
oh snap
You guys need to get out of high school and the myths of who can say what to who and when.
The only problem with Delgado is he is no longer a threat to hit 30 HRs and drive in 115 runs.
The fact of Chavez, Castillo and Reyes having a joke on the bench last night, who cares, I don’t want them sitting in there like it is a morgue either, that accomplishes nothing.
Everyone is trying to find complex answers for simple facts.
And Joe Beningo is a hypocritical moron. If Delgado went on a tear for a month he would ask to sit on his parade float, he is a cancer as a fan, he thinks he is owed something, for some unknown reason.
Beningo is the honest voice of a Met fan! he is saying the same that alot of us has been saying. apologists suggest that we hold the players accountable instead of willie, well that is what beningo is doing.
Beningo says whatever idiot idea pops into his tiny brain that he thinks will get people to call his show. A couple weeks ago he called Shoenweis a bum who deserved to be booed on opening day, and that Feliciano was carrying his weight. Such insight makes me wanna puke.
If Beningo is the “honest voice of the Met fan” let me know where I have to go to renounce my fandom, he is a self loathing whiney fan with a microphone.
The stupid overuse of the word “apologists” is about as sickening as the Mets play.
I shutter to think what a sweep in Atlanta will bring. If the Mets lose tonight, I think the house cleaning will begin with Randolph. Afterwards, Heilman will be sent out in a trade. I dont know who we will get back for them, but the firesale probably wont stop there. Its time for drastic action, maybe it time to see if Billy Beane is available.
This would be great if it actually did something.
Words, for me mean absolutely nothing anymore with this team…
I think we should fire Tom Nieto. I mean…Tom Nieto? Other than being the backup C for the 85 Cardinals (reason enough for banishing him from Shea), what are this guy’s credentials? Let’s face it, 1st base coaches really do nothing, except spark opposing fans to say “hey I remember that guy! I had his baseball card!” Example: Glenn Hubbard. Mookie was the quintessential first-base coach - a franchise legend that just makes everybody smile anytime a batter reaches first. I even like Rickey for that reason. But who is excited about Tom Nieto?
Now that base coaches are mandated to wear flapless helmets on the field, there is but one man for the job: Johnny Olerud!
You think he’s available? Bet you he could put up Delgado numbers.
I’m googling Rico Brogna as we speak…
Anyone could put up Delgado’s numbers, they are truly horrible. Carp, a replacement player that will put up the same numbers. Its time to cut Delgado and promote Carp. Or we can add Bonds to this funhouse.
Carp is not the answer yet. Haven’t we already learned something from rushing players up? Pelfrey? Milledge?
Thank you Don. Everybody seems to keep saying bring him up. It cant hurt. It cant hurt the Mets but it could hurt Carp’s development.
I think it is time for David to speak to the team directly. Maybe he did unsuccessfully in the closed door meeting. We don’t know. Maybe officially naming him captain will help. At this point that seems a simple step.
On the race thing, it is not unusual or the sign of a “divided clubhouse” that the Latino players seems to stick together as do the white players. The Latino players share a common background not to mention dominant language (ever hear “This is Pedro Feliciano and you’re listening to WFAN? I don’t think these guys speak to each other in English). Players speaking different languages and even being in cliques is not the problem with this team.
Clearly, what we need is a Spanish speaking white guy to unite the team…….Figgy for long man!
dude what are you talking about, everyone on the team is required by contract to do both WFAN and SNY bits…
This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with showing more urgency.
Wright called everyone out, inlcuding himself, for giving the impression they are mailing it in.
Yes…I agree with you…
The point I was trying to make is that race is NOT the problem and a problem shouldn’t be read into players seeming to hang out with other’s like them. My point about Feliciano was just to illustrate that maybe these guys seem cliquey because they speak different dominant languages…that’s all.
they did not seem cliquey to me in 2006 when all we heard was how they ate together, went out together on the road etc etc…
Winning makes cliques, losing makes imaginary problems.
I seem to remember the 2006 clique of LoDuca, Wright, Floyd, and a bunch of college girls pretty well.
three guys going out one night makes a clique, huh?
So what was that nonsense about Bonds being a clubhouse cancer and he will ruin the Mets chemistry.
Playing if I were Omar….
-Trade Heilman for an average 1st baseman- not a star- someone with something to prove (not that you could get a star)
-Promote Muniz
-Cut Delgado, Endy, maybe Marlon or Easly too depending on roster space
-Promote Evans to fill in for Alou while he’s hurt (the other 2 are supposedly butchers in the field)
-How is A. Reyes doing in NO? Can he be worse than Castillo? If not bench Slappy and call him up for a try.
Castillo is not the problem, he was not brought here to produce in left, center or at firstbase.
Yeah- I’m not really that upset with Castillo (except when he takes his time on close throws) I just think things need to be switched up in there.
LOL, Mike Francessa just asked his producer to get Wright’s quotes “off the Met Blog.” He’s so computer savvy.
is that the first reference to Met[s]blog on M&MD?
Bad job by that Matt, posting these quotes…awful job…
Fatcessa just read this post on the air, verbatim. Wow, Matt, you must be honored. The Lord God Almighty has read your blog on the air.
yeah, which is funny because two weeks ago they were going off about how blogs are a cancer and stupid. He’s jealous that random fans can have an opinion and it might be worth as much as his.
I think Matt should change the name to “The Met Blog” for a week just to honor this momentous occasion.
Fatcessa is the acorn.
You gotta look at the tree.
I’ve been around a little.
Give a listen.
OMG, you don’t quit, do you?
You want I should focus on los mets?
As we say in Tijada: “No.”
Too depressing right now.
Anyway, natives had a name for mike and the mad dog…
José Grecos de Muertos.
“Flamenco dancers of death.”
You go David! Finally someone speaks up and tells it how things should be. I mean seriously, the way Delgado is playing he should be in front of the media after every game and answering the questions. You make huge money so be accountable for your actions. if I suck at my job I damn sure am going to have to answer to someone, so should they. Beltran and Delgado need to start talking more and showing the emotions like they care. I am pretty positive they do care but please show it and like David said, They should be losing sleep and pissed off!! But Wright and Wagner seem the only two that look affected by the way the Mets are playing..
This clubhouse needs Pedro amd mustache back badly!!!!
his comment was not about accountability but the whole team showing a sign that they are not going to put their heads down at the first sign of adversity each night, INCLUDING HIM.
It is amazing how some of you will make this what you WANT to hear, rather then exactly what was said.
Are you nuts or just bad at reading comprehension:
“Losing like this, I hope, would ruin THEIR nights,” Wright said of his DEPARTED TEAMMATES.
He didn’t appear to think that it had.
“I want THEM to take it personally when we lose,” he said. “I want THEM to be ticked off.”
“If it was a matter of talent, it’d be different. If we just weren’t any good, I could put my head on the pillow at night and sleep. But to got through the motions every night …”
[emphases added for the literacy-challenged]
Wright being a team leader isn’t talking to a reporter with nobody in the clubhouse. Being a team leader is what you say behind closed doors.
Thank You for someone finally saying it!
But maybe he is, we don’t know that…
Wagner calls teammates out and he’s causing problems in the clubhouse and shouldn’t be pointing fingers and calling out teammates in the media. Wright does it and he should be captain.
hahah mike and the maddog are pretty damn dumb about anything new. you should have just heard them read off of metsblog, the wright comment, and then make what cerrone said as something that noble wrote. unreal.
unfortunately none of this means jack if the team doesn’t start playing better and that includes mr. de facto captain, david wright.
Mike Francesa just read this post on WFAN.
He attributed your comment about Wright being a captain to Noble though.
I believe the exact quote was “Hey, lemme see what it says on The Met Blog.”
Unbelievable - Think big Mike would get his sources straight!
Don’t look now but Francesa just got it wrong, again…
Just read Matt’s comment as Marty Nobles
tsk, tsk
They are the worst.
To be fair to Francessa (god, that hurts to type), if you don’t read the blog regulary and know Matt’s style of putting his thoughts in italics with ellipses surounding them, one could easily think the captain comment was Noble’s.
Look at it again.
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david wright has said stuff like this before. it’s not a big deal. if he morphs into the emotional leader of this team its not gonna be because he says, “we don’t like losing” to the press. all he’s doing is adding more fire to a ferno of controversy that obviously isn’t helping the mets win. you can’t make the players care and, save alou and delgado, most of the position players are staying for the foreseeable future.
I think it’s taken last night’s loss for David to realize that he can no longer defer to the older players, and to realize that this is his team, and he has to take a more active role in leading it. I just hope that Willie doesn’t complain that David should have “kept it in-house”.
he did not even say what you infer he said, so Willie has nothing to complain about, he said the whole team, including himself is to blame, not the manager, not the coaches.
Willie to Wright. “C’mon David, you gotta just take it down a notch. It’s just like I was tellin’ Jose last year.”
Patrick,
Huh? He was pretty clearly calling out his teammates…from the Noble piece:
“Losing like this, I hope, would ruin THEIR nights,” Wright said of his DEPARTED TEAMMATES.
He didn’t appear to think that it had.
“I want THEM to take it personally when we lose,” he said. “I want THEM to be ticked off.”
“If it was a matter of talent, it’d be different. If we just weren’t any good, I could put my head on the pillow at night and sleep. But to got [sic] through the motions every night …”
[emphases added for the literacy challenged]
Igor. Throw the switch and the transformation will be complete.
Muahahahaha!
i like your thinking on this.
While I like the fact that he was bothered enough by the loss to be the last one in the locker room, how does complaining about the team’s mindset when no one on the team is even around accomplish anything? Isn’t that like complaining to my friends if I have a problem with my wife? Wouldn’t it be better to talk to her about it? I agree with his comments, but I’m not the one that needs to be convinced. He needs to take this to the team, assuming he hasn’t already. Based on this, I don’t see anything that I’d consider a step toward becoming a captain.
He wasn’t the last one in the locker room. Noble wrote that:
“most of his teammates already departed”. So there were still a few guys around to hear him. Matt exaggerated just a touch on that.
the most telling part of Wrights comments, IMO, is that they are playing with no fire. He said it had to do with the players and not the coaches and manager. I ask, what is willie and his staff doing to motivate these guys?
millions and millions of dollars isnt enough? what they need to start putting hookers in their lockers? or greenies in their coffee? are these guys not pros?
willie is a genius for deflecting the fans gaze from beltran sucking and how many strike outs wright has.
Oy vey, am I tired of reading that “lack of fire” is the Mets problem. You get fire when you win. Fire means you are HOT, like when you WIN GAMES.
Lack of performance is the Mets problem. They winn 10 of 12, you’ll see plenty of “fire.”
It was DWright, the new “Franchise,” that mentioned fire and lack thereof.
Phoola, you are awfully dismissive of all criticism of the manager, gm, team, etc. What, pray tell, would phoola do to turn around this team?
Instead of knocking others’ ideas and critiques, how about sharing your own?
I think from now on when a player rips teammates and/or managers to reporters but does not say anything to the teammate we should call it a Wagner.
Let’s see if Wright pulled a Wagner or if he is a legit team leader.
You know, the first person I would call after the mets clean house and WR and his staff are gone, and the clubhouse and dugout are fumigated, is Julio Franco and make him a bench coach.
I really believe that he was a great influence in that clubhouse, and all the young players respected him. I think that, his leaving, took away a person who’s professionalism the players really could have used at the end of last year.
julio franco is a sanctimonious prick.
I don’t buy this Julio Franco theory. He was released on July 12th last year. The last time the Mets were a good team in my opinion was the game against the Giants at Shea last year when we were down a run and Reyes drew the 2 out balk off Benitez and Delgado hit the homer. That was May 29th. After that series the Mets lost 2 of 3 at home against the Diamondbacks and then were swept at home by the Phillies. Ever since then the Mets have been a medoicre team. Julio Franco was there a month and a half for that time, so I don’t but into the Julio Franco theory.
I wasn’t suggesting that Julio Franco’s departure was the pivotal point of last season. All I am saying that his experience “might” for example have helped a struggling Reyes who viewed Franco as a mentor. All we needed was one more win.
I don’t know, I pretty sure I remember all the guys in the booth in NY, Atlanta, and pretty much across baseball, saying what a tremendous clubhouse guy he was.
Although it is also possible that the excruciating pain in my met soul is obscuring my memory.
I think you mean John Franco, eh?
eh, no he doesn’t
John Franco was a snake. Franco and Leiter were the two guys that bad mouthed Kazmir to the front office.
oh for god sake they were used as scapegoats man, they tried to get him to follow rookie etiqutte, and a bunch of hacks trying to make the playoffs hoodwinked Duquette and used the current roster as scapegoats when their idiotic trade blew up in their face.
Sooo, is my idea for J. Franco as a bench smart, stupid, or Willie Randolph stupid?
It’s become apparent this team needs Rickey Henderson back in that clubhouse. All hell’s breakin loose since he left.
i always found vince coleman to be a calming presence
lol
“According to Noble, Wright was the only player left in the locker room when these comments were made”
To quote Billy Wagner, “Shocker”
Let’s break Wally Backman out of jail, get him in AA and make him manager. ‘That little redneck,’ as Darryl Strawberry once called him, is the antidote this team needs!