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The Mets (23-26) lost to the Marlins (30-20) by a score of 7 to 3 tonight at Shea Stadium.
For a complete recap and box score, check out SNY.tv.
- Lost chances was the story tonight.
- Mike Pelfrey lost a chance to get out of the first inning unscathed, but a two-out error by Jose Reyes allowed the Marlins to take advantage with back-to-back run scoring doubles. Pelfrey needs to learn to overcome the mistakes behind him and get the team out of these type of innings. He also needs to learn to finish off innings in general as all six runs he allowed came with two outs. Opponents have a .895 OPS against Pelfrey after two outs in an inning.
- Carlos Beltran made a diving attempt with the bases loaded and two-outs in the top of third, but came up short and three Marlins runs scored. I love the effort Carlos, but if you’re going to make an attempt like that with two outs, you better keep the ball in front of you.
- Speaking of fielding, what’s going on Jose? Yesterday, he let a potential a inning-ending double-play go through his legs and today he made to mistakes on two grounders on plays he usually makes look routine. At least his bat is coming around, as he was 2-for-4 with 2 homeruns.
- The Mets also lost several scoring opportunities tonight, including one in the bottom of the first when they scored only one run after loading the bases with no outs after Reyes lead off the inning with his first of two homeruns tonight. After their other missed opportunities in the fourth and fifth, in which they had two runners on base in both innings, the Mets bats went silent as Marlins pitching retired the final 15 batters. They left 14 men on base, including four from Carlos Delgado and five from Nick Evans. It’s unreal this team can collect nine hits through the first five innings then go into a coma.
- Speaking of Evans, his batting stance reminds me of Scott Rolen.
- I’m still skeptical the Marlins have the ability to continue to overachieve, but they can no longer be taken lightly as they have been in years past.
- As far as the Mets go, the losing continues and as much as the team thinks today’s events will put the maelstrom of Willie Randolph’s self-inflicted situation behind them, it wont. Not at least until this team starts to win.
The Mets continue their three-game series versus the Marlins tomorrow night with Johan Santana on the mound, game time 7:10 pm.
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Dude, I feel for you writing out these game synopses. It must be painful.
amen.
It might be painful, but that’s no excuse for saying that Beltran hit two homers when it was Reyes. This site is really starting to get sloppy. Weekend recaps posted the day later, and now we get one on time with incorrect info.
Where does it say that?
He just fixed it. It was at the end of the section about Beltran not keeping the ball in front of him. Now it’s at the end of the part about Reyes’ fielding. Some proofreading before posting stuff would be nice.
Yes, some proof-reading would be great. And a recap really shouldn’t be filled with so much opinion. Save that for the end, or another post. This is really sloppy.
Also, “two” = 2. “to” doesn’t.
Also, there are 4 or 5 sentences packed in here: “The Mets also lost several scoring opportunities TONIGHT, including one in the bottom of the first when they scored only one run after loading the bases with no outs after Reyes lead off the inning with his first of two homeruns TONIGHT.” Wait, when did this happen?
Sorry. We’re all cranky right now. C’mon Mets!!
Jeez, let’s sue…
Seriously. These guys are staying up late to provide post-game recaps and analysis while people rip into them for grammar.
Is this team so bad that blogs are now under fire as well?
Just hoping Johan can dominate a strike-out heavy line-up in the Marlins tomorrow.
Miller has looked pretty good over the last month, command has been better. Kind of reminds me of a young Randy Johnson when he came up could not locate, but obviously had a great arm. Hopefully they can be patient and force the kid to revert a bit.
I have good news for Mets fans as we so desperatly need. I believe the mets have $55MM in salaries coming off the books next year and most of that is dead weight.
Alou, Delgado, Pedro, Chavez, Sosa, El Duque, Anderson, Heilman and not dead weight but not liley to be back Perez.
Start the youth movement today stop wasting our time as none of these players other than perez should be back next year.
The bad contracts, Beltran $19MM, Castro $2MM, Castillo $6.25MM, Schnieder ? $4.5MM,
If we are going to finish in fourth place lets at least make progress for next year.
Is reyes mildly retarded? I wanted to wring his neck after that 2 run error in the first. As usual, he comes off the field with that dopey grin as if nothing bad just happened. the mets need players like paul oneill who would flip out and throw his helmet after grounding out in the 9th inning after going 2 for 4 and the Yanks up 8-3… I wonder if he is available to manage the mets?
All class.
Evans needed 1 more foot out of that hit to clear the wall…guess thats why baseball is a game of inches
This team is simply badly put together.
It is not that I would have done better than Omar Minaya, obviously. But if we are going to say that Church and Maine and Perez are products of Omar’s great scouting, then what are Delgado, Alou, Castillo, Pelfrey, Pedro Martinez, Jorge Sosa – etc?
The team just doesn’t have enough talent to win without Alou and Delgado being decent. They are either injured or god awful.
The mets don’t have a clean up hitter. Beltran isn’t one. Beltran is a great CF, with above average tools in all aspects of the game, but he just can’t be the guy to carry the team.
David Wright is not a clean up hitter either. He has only surpasses 30 home runs once. He is our best player but, he is the third hitter and can only do so much.
The mets have nothing in LF, nothing at 2B, nothing at 1B, and medicore player at catcher, combined with a mediocre bullpen from the RHP side of things, an inconsistent pitching staff, etc.
Just not good enough.
100% on point
Don’t forget their minor league system is now one of the lowest ranked in all of MLB.
If they have a plan for this franchise, I’m still trying to figure out what it is.
going into ‘07 they were ranked 9th….the “prized talent” used to get them this ranking were the following: Phillip Humber, Carlos Gomez, Pelfrey, and F-Mart…..The first 2 got us Santana, Pelfrey is looking more and more like a bust, and F-Mart is hurt right now….and there’s your story….
You know, wasn’t Omar supposed to sign a ton of huge young talent out of Latin America? We got F-Mart and Guerra, but that hasn’t really panned out. I understand that we’ve traded a lot of our older prospects, but we don’t even have anything in the lower levels…..
It is just one of those myths about omar that I believed for a long time, but it isn’t really true. It doesn’t seem that he and that jerk Bernazard have any advantage signing these kids…..
“It is just one of those myths about omar that I believed for a long time”
same here. and most of the players traded weren’t brought in by omar, so it makes you wonder what exactly they’ve been doing with the farm system the last few years.
Don’t take too much stock in minor league player rankings……for example, Phil Hughes and Pelfrey were in the top ten of overall prospects: the same years in which they were given 5 star rankings, edison volquez, jair jurrjens were well below with 2 stars, oh and this other 2 star guy down on the list, Joba Chamberlain, looks pretty good too…..
Not that I’m an expert on any of this, but even forgetting rankings by scouts, etc, it doesnt bode well that the St. Lucie Mets are 11-39…..
Fire Timmy Teufel!
lol
Top four in the lineup (yes, even Luis), go 8 for 16 (.500).The other 5 slots go 1 for 18 (.055). It’s hard to get too excited about a potential rally when you know, for sure, that any production ends once you pass Beltran.
It’s not Willie fault that Alou and Church are missing from the lineup, but I think I’d rather see call-ups in their places than a murderer’s row of Delgado, Schneider, Chavez, and the pitcher. Although Evans failed to produce tonight, I absolutely felt that his was the only spot in the lower lineup that might have a chance to deliver a key blow.
Normally, Beltran’s bunt in the 1st would be a very clever play, and set up a potential huge inning, but with what was behind him, I must confess, I’m surprised we got one!
i don’t think you can call pedro a poor signing. when omar made that move he made a statement to the national league that the mets meant business. the signing lead to a flood of great players (some now which once were great players) to the mets and gave the fanbase something to believe in. a belief that has been lost since early this month.
You are right on about the lack of a cleanup hitter.
Unfortunately, Omar envisioned Delgado as his cleanup man through ‘08. I don’t think there was any way to know that his power production would absolutely fall off the table.
Imagine how much better this lineup would look with Wright batting 5th and Beltran third. That’s how it was in ‘06 when LosD was still a feared slugger. Remember when the Mets were considerd an “American League Lineup” in the NL. Too bad these things don’t last…
The clean up guy is Ryan Church. To me, the clean up guy is going to have a lot of power and is also that guy who will come through with a man on third and less than two outs when you need that sacrifice fly.
Carlos Beltran is a great player, but is not a clean up hitter. His value is as a fielder and also as a great OBP guy who takes a lot of pitches. With that said, Beltran is best served as our #2 hitter. Unfortunately, with Delgado a waste in the lineup, Beltran has to be 4th because if Castillo is bumped down to #8 with the current lineup (where his ability to get himself on base to be bunted over by the pitcher), essentially the Mets are dead past the 4 or 5 spot in the lineup.
Currently.. Reyes, Wright, Beltran are the only guys who will scare a pitcher in the Mets lineup (add Church when he comes back). If a pitcher can pitcher around those four guys, any rally dies when the rest of the lineup racks up grounders, pop outs and K’s.
Delgado should hit clean up. Sorry for the haters; Delgado=Power. The man should bat clean up until he gets released/traded, etc.
He has no trade value at all. He’s so bad I don’t think any team would take him for free. Yes, free. As in picking up all of Delgado’s contract and receiving nothing in return for him.
Exactly what I’ve been saying for a while now. Unless we go back to playing “Small ball” like the days of Ty Cobb there is no way a team in this era can win consistently without a bona fide Clean Hitter in the middle of the line-up. The Mets Don’t have a legit clean-up hitter and that makes it so easy for opposing pitchers to pitch around Wright and Beltran.
Case in point, tonight: Bases Loaded with less than two outs and Delgado pops up meekly to the shortstop. I swear it’s come to the point where I can actually call what Delgado will do, I told my buddy Delgado would pop-up or ground into a double play and sure enough……………..well, you know what happened. Not That I’m wishing for that but it’s so predictable that you have to just laugh.
With a washed up Delgado consistently killing rallies, one of your much needed right handed bats out (Alou) and a “Punch and Judy” second baseman who no longer can run (Speed was a huge part of Castillo’s game) and a manager who can’t seem to inspire or fire-up his ball club, It’s going to be a very, very long season. And before anyone says I’m a front runner, I’ve been a Mets fan since 1968 (before there first WS win) and trust me I’ve seen and lived through some awful, awful teams and I’m still here rooting for them but all I’m saying is that changes need to be made and made very soon, period.
Should I mention the Marlins dont have a bonafide cleanup hitter in their lineup? I know everyone is saying they wont last up there but so far they have been doing it without one.
You’re right, the Marlins don’t have what you would call a bona fide clean-up hitter but they make up for it in speed and contact. They have a bunch of guys in that line-up that put the ball in play and make things happen. The Mets are feast or famine, period.
The mets don’t have a clean up hitter. Beltran isn’t one. Beltran is a great CF, with above average tools in all aspects of the game, but he just can’t be the guy to carry the team.
Frustrating that he gets paid like that guy……
What a DIZZ ASSSSTAHHHH
When was the last time the Mets scored after the 5th inning? The entire season this team will score runs early and then just mail it in the rest of the game. Don’t even get me started about when they are down 2 or 3 runs late in the game.
Are they out of shape? I really am out of ideas as to why they are so terrible. Don’t know what to think anymore and I find myself caring less and less each day.
This is more of a sad recap than anything else. The Mets are not there and the Marlins, Nats, etc “own” the Mets. How pissed off would you be as a player if you saw Hanley laughing at the last out? These guys are all comfortable playing against the Mets. We need to either start a brawl or win a game. Everyone used to say, if Reyes hits, the mets will win. He has hit in 11 games in a row and look at the record!! The Mets fall behind and they are done. They have no fight and they give up. It seems like they need to go on a vacation and get it together.
This is becoming a joke at this point.
A joke includes a punch line. Watching this team comes with a punch to the groin. I fail to see the similarities.
glass jaw, this team…it’s the worst kept secret in baseball. This team’s psyche is so fragile that when you’re up by 2 runs, you can pretty much check the W column…
The Mets are THE BACK OUT KIDS!
“I’m still skeptical the Marlins have the ability to continue to overachieve, but they can no longer be taken lightly as they have been in years past. ”
what does it matter if the marlins continue to overachieve or not? they are only 1 team of 3 that are ahead of the mets. the other 2 certainly arent overachieving. 6.5 out of first, 3 under 500, the mets are going to have to start achieving, let alone overachieving to make it interesting.
Rock bottom is coming very VERY soon.
When the Marlins finish off the swwep should be about right. All we really need is one really disorderly, overly vocal crowd at Shea to make the embarassment complete. Maybe someone will throw stuff on the field.
THEN Willie will be fired.
at least your name is accurate
I am so freaking sick of Pelfrey. When Pedro comes back, he had better be the one to go down, and not Vargas. Vargas could easily be 3-0 if the lineup wasn’t dead weight after Beltran.
It sucks that the Mets will have to waste an option and demote someone for the 5 innings Pedro will give us before pulling something else.
While amusing, you seem to have no idea how options work. You get “years” of options, not a set number per player.
Yet there are sooooooooooooooooooooo many homer losers who still fall all over themselves to somehow defend this loser Pelfailure
I don’t know anything good that is to be said about this guy. He has no out pitch, and no command of his secondary pitches. He can’t pick up his teammates when something goes wrong. When he gets 2 strikes on a batter, he doesn’t put them away enough. And he’s not that young either, he’s 24.
… he doesn’t even have command of his fastball.
I disagree.
First, Pelfrey is still young at 24. Second, he does have the swing and miss stuff and the stuff to draw ground balls however his approach just isn’t working.
In this instances he needs that stirkeout pitch, he must get that 4 seam fastball on the corners, which he did in the first inning. But also, he needs to get that sinker in action so the ball is put in play and outs are recorded without spending 5+ pitches on every batter.
I do agree that his off-speed stuff still sucks. I know he abandoned that curve ball but without it there is no huge speed difference with his pitches and the 95mph fastball to the 87mph changeup and slider speed difference is not significant enough alone. He also can’t locate these pitches.
id love to know why rick peterson decided Pelf didn’t need to pursue his curveball…..he basically cut down on his ability to offset his rising fastball…..
It’s like ketchup and ice cream, you like both but you won’t mix them. Peterson is an idiot.
Agree, Peterson might not be an idiot but you definitely have to scratch your head sometimes and wonder what the hell is this guy thinking?
Just look up Pelfrey’s career minor league stats. The guy averaged over 9 strike-outs per game when he was throwing his curve ball over. This made his above average fastball that much harder to hit. Pelfrey was a big time strike-out pitcher UNTIL Peterson got his hands on him. You are 100% correct, there is hardly and speed diferential now, just look at the radar gun, ALL his pitches are between 87 -94 MPH, not enough to keep major league off balance.
Fred and Jeff Wilpon just shot the clown.
Why is everyone surprised about this team? The pitching staff is terrible, the offense is awful and the bullpen is one of the worst in baseball. If the Mets finish 81-81 this season, I’ll be happy. By the way, if anyone is interested in making a ton of money bet against the mets as often as possible. I’ve made a killing the past week and a half.
The only way to get me through this is to bet against this team Im up big in my bets this year because of the inconsitancy .Here in vegas the mets are a slight favorite to win tommorow last time santana vs the marlins opendat the marlins were a -2.50 tommorow however the marlins are a -.45.When they loose at least I win and a 500 record is a pipe dream we are talking 68 & 94 thats my bet things wont get better .
The Mets are going to start getting the kind of odds the Nats were getting last year. They’re going to be +180 – +200 soon.
The odds today were preposterous. -130 for the Mets. I know Nolasco had a bad record vs us but you have to take current trends into consideration. Wish I had been paying attention earlier. There was good money to be made.
This team jumped the shark in 2006.
john hein style
The Fonz style.
(points to anyone who gets the specific reference…)
I got it Prismo. Might be the end of our Happy Days as well.
For any Indy fans the Mets have nuked the refrigerator.
Can’t win when you’ve got no heart. And this team’s heart is non-existent.
I can’t wait to see this team purged of the dead weight. Delgado, Alou, etc. It’s unfortunate that we all have to sit and watch it this season, though, after the build up during the winter got us all blinded to the truth. Omar’s lack of creativity shines brightest now, as the only moves he’s made that really count had tons of cash tossed at them. And even those (Pedro, most notably) haven[’t done a damn thing in 2 years.
Can’t wait for the new ballpark’s opening next year and the team finishes 4th……….hell, 5th, most likely, as the Nats will have improved by then, too.
Just pathetic.
My take on the Mets at this point is that perhaps its time for the players to be held accountable. It’s been clear the manager and general manager are being held accountable on this forum but no matter what a manager can do, these veteran players are going to receive pay checks.
Willie needs to do all he can do get that W on the night. With Nick Evans in the big leagues with a lot on the line, sit Carlos Delgado and give the kid a shot to prove himself (Evans has been a first baseman most of his career). With Matt Wise completely unaffective coming out of the bullpen, not to mention that every ball he throws is slow and in the middle of the strike zone, you gotta hold him accountable and bring a guy up like Muniz who has proven himself more affective.
Another point I want to make is that Wright and Reyes have played every game this season and unfortunately with the way the season has gone these players can’t get a night off to refresh themselves. Not to make excuses for these guys, but a lot is expected of Reyes every game physically and a lot is demanded of Wright mentally with the media asking him the same questions night after night. It wouldn’t hurt to give them a rest.
Last, what is wrong with Reyes’ fielding. All year, I’ve thought his arm was weak and he wasn’t as explosive athletically. On top of that he is booting balls. I don’t know what the explantation is but there is definitely something wrong here because Reyes has always taken pride in his fielding ability.
he’s exhausted and no one on the team displays any sense of fundamentals…..
Excellent post.
I would like to see Evans get a shot at firstbase and I think he will against the next lefty starter.
As for Wright and Reyes getting a rest, the blogs, media and front office has Willie fighting for his life. Those two are young guys and need to play. Heck, we don’t even have a back-up shortstop. Who would Willie play there? Easley? No way. Before that happens, Omar has to make a move to strengthen up the bench. We need a Chris Woodward type (circa 2005) for just that reason.
I would add that Pelfrey just isn’t doing it and even though he’s only the 5th man in the rotation, we cannot afford to give games away by continuing to trot him out there. It’s time to make some changes. Pelfrey should be sent down to AAA when Pedro is ready. And if Pedro re-injures himself, then it’s time move Heilman into the rotation.
It’s time to look to make changes in the roster. This needs to be done before we can talk about firing Willie.
I say the pressure should be put on Omar to shake-up the roster.
I agree..
There is no one on this team who can play a decent shortstop other than Reyes, which should be blamed on Omar. I think any club needs to have a player available in the infield and outfield can come off the bench as an excellent defensive replacement and a bat with at least a .250 avg capability.
I hate to say this, but Easley has nothing to offer this team. Marlon Anderson fills the role as a LF and 2b replacement. Pagan (When he comes back) and Endy are both solid temporary replacement options in the outfield.
With that said, it will soon be time for Delgado to get some time off on the bench. I’m sorry, but a .220 batting average added on to subpar defensive ability won’t cut it. An the consistency Delgado has been horrible this year may prove that the poor man may be done. He’s hitting that solo homerun with the Mets up 5 runs, but on a consistent basis, he fouls back all the good pitches he sees, swings and misses at way too many pitches, and the other hard hit balls go right into the shift.
It might be worth sitting him for a while and treating him for all he may be worth, which is as a lefty power bat off the bench.
you are exactly right about wise, get rid of this guy and give muniz a shot. and evans at 1st makes so much sense. sometimes i just can’t understand why the mets don’t do certain things that make the most sense.
I see how he can be successful in the big leagues if he can get his fastball up to 87-88 with location. His motion is incredibally deceptive and the batter can’t differentiate between the fastball and changeup. However, when your fastball is 84, your changeup is 78 and you aren’t hitting that low-outside corner, you are gonna get blown up in the major leagues. I’m surprised he hasen’t had worse stats this season to be honest.
There is no “we” in team.
what is really nice to see is how this team responds when their manager’s back is against the wall. Wille came this close to losing his job today and after a little pep talk from their “skip”, as he likes to call himself, they can out and played 9 innings of crisp, quality baseball. It is heartwarming to see this team get their deserving managers back. I am glad that the wilpons were able to see beyond the losing record, 4th place standing, and general malaise surrounding this team and make a solid, well-thought out baseball/business decision.
Save some of that sweet champagne for me Skip!
mmmm…sweet, sweet Champagne.
Nick evans 1st baseman nuff said? send delgado somewhere for 10 lbs of catfish!
Delgado is done, period. He is as close to a Human Rally Killer as can be. Until the Mets either bench him or find someway to trade him this Line-up will never be productive with a Clean-Up who’s not even good enough anymore to bat 7th!!
To make matters worse our ace struck out 10 and completely dominated the Rangers tonight. He now has a 4-1 record, a 1.50 era, and a WHIP under 1. Once again, thanks a lot Wilpons.
no kidding…..who would you prefer, 7 years of johan, or 7 of kazmir, PLUS gomez, guerra, and humber……
Can someone explain the downside to dumping delgado via trade or simple release? Are we somehow going to get less production from that spot? Is it possible? Will the defense suffer? His tremendous presence as an inspirational leader in the clubhouse?
Do it to satiate the fans thirst for blood, if for no other reason. Sick and tired of watching his awful, long swing. He’s significantly worse than Kingman.
downside is MONEY…..which is stupid considering how much we spend on F.A.’s, i’d rather them spend less but be able to EAT some more money when guys don’t pan out….
But we have to pay him for this year anyway. We aren’t losing any money by releasing him, esp if we replace him with a Carp/Evans platoon.
We either pay him to strike out, or pay him to strike out for another team.
believe me, I see your logic, and if i had it my way, he’d be gone…..but from a business standpoint, i think it really burns omar and the wilpons to have to pay a guy lots of money when he can’t serve ANY purpose……
I just dont know why they should be so emotional about it. Does Fred Wilpon go down with every bad deal Sterling-Stamos makes, or does he understand the concept of sunk cost and get out while he can?
I think it has more to do with Omar not wanting to concede that the deal was a huge mistake.
There is no way they release this bum they are going to wait him outt and hope that by the july deadline he is hittig 260 with 15 hrs and then try to trade him to a team who needs a body i know as met fan we laugh at this but he still has a big name.If that goes wrong he becomes a bench warmer for the last 2 months of the season while some one gets called up thats the only way the teams justifies his salary
That’s the difference between the Mets and the Yankees. The Yanks, traditionally, will eat their mistakes and make the next move.
It’s time to look beyond Delgado and Alou. When F-Mart is healthy, give him a handful of games to get back his timing and then bring him up. If he’s hitting, let him and Evans, assuming he’s still up, platoon.
isn’t it worse to pay someone to hit into double plays than to pay him to go away?
Its like a guy refusing to get into a lifeboat on the Titanic because he bought his ticket and wanted to get his moneys worth…..
I believe the Mets are on the hook for this year, plus a buy out for next season as well.
I agree, there is no downside. Defense goes up (even if they play me there!), clubhouse probably better (at least it will shake things up). Offense probably better too. maybe a few less HR, but better balance and overall production, especially with a platoon.
They are paying him regardless, so if they cut him and bring up Murphy or Carp, it really costs them next to nothing.
Who knows, maybe an AL team is desperate enough for a LH bat to take him for something? If not, waive him bye bye!
The model for a team these days is young impact tlent carrying them. Even the big money teams like the Red Sox that are doing well have blended in a healthy dose.
Teams like the Rays and D Backs good be dominant for years if they keep it together, and have the resources to re-up some of these guys when they start building service time.
The Mets have to do the same thing, but they are way behind the curve. DW and Reyes were a great start, but the spigot seemed to be slammed shut.
It seems like 30 is the new 35 in the post-roids era.
What the heck, give Nick Evans a continued chance to see what he can do. He looks like a hitter, and even seems to have a good approach at the plate (willing to go the other way, etc.) Yes it wil be bumpy, but can it be any worse than Deldono?
Pitching is going to be harder to come by…
GUess I am saying they need to get younger, even if it smells like “rebuilding”. IMO, the oldsters aren’t doing anything for the team, so a bunch of young blood won’t make it worse, and the core is still very talented.
so no more 32 YO FAs (even Teix is going to be fairly old next year, and is a disaster wiating to happen on a 6-7 year deal).
Bite the bullet, and face reality, and do what you can to get rid of Delgado. Castillo I don’t think they can, but what a huge, huge mistake. Endy is dead wood too, so cut your loses. Easley is too, but they may need to keep him!
Dump CD, put CHurch in at clen up whne he gets his brain back, Beltran in the 2 hole, Castillo at 8 if they have to use him, WIse and Hielmann (unless he has a miraculous recovery) out, Muniz and Kunz up.
Pelfrey to AAA to learn how to pitch when Pedro comes back.
And darned if I know where they wil find a LF, but maybe Murphey can come up to join Evans?
Just have a darned vision, and take some bold steps to get there.
As bad as the Metsblog posters are (as they represent a segment of the fanbase), I honestly think the fans would live with an off year, if they really saw the team being recongfigured the right way, with hpe for the future.
A new manager and/or a hungry, play hard attitude will also help!
Unfortunately Evans will be right back in Binghamton so long as Alou doesn’t pull something while walking into the stadium when he returns. As long as Willie is still managing he won’t change anything up but rather “stick with his guys.” That’s the reason Delgado is an everyday player. I like Willie but his inability to try anything new (he’s barely touched the opening day lineup) is killing this team.
you’re right, and willie sticking with his guys has killed this team so far, and will continue to do so unless he changes his stubborn ways.
Evans isn’t ready yet to play everday at the major league ready. He showed he can hit lefties but hasn’t shown anything else. I don’t see how anyone can whine if he gets sent back down when others get healthy.
I just want a team I can root for, that’s all. I don’t care if they aren’t a “Championship caliber” team, as long as they play hard.
The 2005 team is a good example. They didn’t make the playoffs, but at least it was a fun season, and you pulled for the players.
Honestly, I can’t stand Delgado, and his crappy attitude. I’m sick to death of reading hospital reports on geriatrics like Alou, Pedro, and El Duque.
I’m sick of a brain dead manager giving the same brain dead speeches.
This team is disgusting on many levels. All I ask is that they do something, ANYTHING, to try to improve.
Just get rid of Delgado, fans will love it, and the team will play better. But no, Minaya is such an arrogant @ss that he can’t even admit his horrible mistakes.
Unfortunately baseball like all sports is business first and a game second. Delgado is making way to much to be benched and Willie doesn’t have the B…..lls to bench him anyway. He’s one of Omar’s boy.
Again, without a TRUE Clean-Up hitter in the middle of this line-up to protect Wright & Beltran this offense will never be productive. In 2006 when Delgado was still a productive and feared hitter this line-up was considered an American-league line-up and hense they were second or third in runs scored.
Now Delgado is either a gauranteed pop-up or double-play waiting to happen every time he comes to bat and pitchers know this. They pitch around Wright and Beltran to get to Delgado! Now throw in his poor defense (the guy can no longer reach any groundballs hit just two feet to his right) and you have a very bad situation over at first base that the Mets are stuck with (thank Omar).
i swear to God that every single word you just typed is spot on, 100% correct. I couldn’t agree more!
I’d gladly root for lovable losers.
Tex would be a HUGE mistake, and it makes SOOOOO much sense to put church cleanup, beltran in the 2 hole and castillo in the 8th hole. and send pelfrey back down. it’s sickening how much sense that makes, you’re right. why can’t the mets see this???
Bad news church is heading for the dl for a long time so as for the clean role we are s.o.l
Meanwhile the Phils hung 20 on the Rockies tonight.
They are still showing the Reyes Sportscenter promes on ESPN.
They’re f…ing with our heads.
I meant promos
If you’re not already banging your head against the wall tonight, I submit the following:
Scott Kazmir (4-1)
7 innings, 3 hits, 1 run (earned), 0 walks, 10 Ks.
Has anybody even heard from Victor Zambrano since he left in the middle of a game a few years ago?
No, and let’s keep it that way.
Looks like he is in the Rockies’ minors.
I think he had a try out with Toronto and let’s just say it did not go very well.
He then retired.
What happened to the results of the latest Willie Approval Rating poll? I guarantee he did not have 41% the last time around…
I am struggling to understand what the wilpons are doing keeping willie the anchor around. Then it dawned on me, Freddie Tampon is the same guy who remarked that “Art Howe lit up the room” during his interview. Remembering that has put it all into a new light for me.
mets- worse collapse in baseball history , still playing boring, unenjoyable baseball
isles- joke of a franchise
jets- will never get out of the 1st round
knicks- pathetic
why couldnt i be born in boston!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not fair
LOL…when I was a kid, the Isles, Mets and my Giants were among the best in the biz (briefly, in some cases)….
Oh joy…and I’m the a**hole with tickets for tomorrow.
Andrew Miller pitches for Florida tomorrow. Randope should play Evans at 1B, Easley at 2B, and Tatis at one of the corner OF spots. Of course, he won’t do this. And why the hell are we still carrying three catchers when Castro is healthy? What the hell is wrong with this team?
Everything!
blind leading the blind
this team blows.but i’m hooked, and i will be back tomorrow.
Actually, I think there’s a good chance those substitutions will happen.
Anybody know how long Alou is expected to be out for?
I hope you’re right man.
I don’t think a timetable has been set for Alou’s return yet.
I realize Tatis had two hits, including a dinger at Coors, but I watched all of his ABs there. I think this guy has some of the worst batting I’ve seen in a while. Total lack of sense at the plate. He’s swinging at everything b/c he wants to stay in the SHow. He’s useless, mark my words.
So we’re now 6.5 games out of first place. Can we please fire Willie now??? I mean what’s the point of waiting. Are they waiting until the team is completely out of it???
yes.
No. Even then they won’t do anything.
I find it amazing how everytime Pelfrey stinks it up, Nichols/Matt finds something good to say. Lets just face the facts, Pelfrey sucks.
Opponents are hitting over .330 against him, his WHIP is almost at 2, his ERA sucks, his K/BB ratio sucks, his “stuff” sucks. Seriously we are talking about a one-pitch pitcher with no command, who’s one pitch isn’t that even good. It’s amazing how people get on Peterson for not fixing Pelfrey, you can’t fix something that was never working, that will never work, that simply is a piece of junk. He’s basically John Maine minus offspeed pitches, a brain and a pair of balls.
On the offense side of things, Reyes Wright and Beltran take way too much heat. All three are underperforming, but have been producing decent enough and you’re pointing the fingers the wrong way. Simply put the Mets have given 200 AB’s this season to Endy Chavez, Damion Easley, and Marlon Anderson this year. All of them have been atrocious, to put it lightly. Add almost another 200 for Delgado, and Castilo and the Mets are basically playing with 5 terrible offensive players, LF/Delgado/Castillo/Schendier/Pitcher.
Delgado is washed up, Castillo has shown flashes but at best he’s an average 2B, Schneider is a terrible hitting catcher and nothing we can do about the pitcher. The real question is do you think Moises Alou can come back and produce and stay healthy? I don’t. Even Alou is an average player at this point, he has very little power and it’s time to start looking for alternatives.
The point of baseball is to win some ball games. It’s time to get some production in our lineup and theres a guy with 1.000+ OPS from last year and his career just sitting out there. The Mets are a desperate ballclub right now, gasping for straws and looking for any kind of spark to get it going. Barry Bonds isn’t a spark, he’s a nuclear bomb in every aspect, and that might be just what the team needs to get going.
i don’t agree with some of your specifics, but your rant hits the larger point. THERE’S TOO MANY TARGETS for our wrath.
which leads to the larger point.
THE METS SUCK. Before you lecture me about negativity, know that it hurt to type that.
I don’t think anyone can dispute that the Mets suck right now.
Right on, man. You nailed it.
I’m thinking we should look to bring up F-Mart after he’s back from his injury and has gotten his timing back.
The pressure should be on Omar to make some changes at LF and 1B.
Pelfrey needs to go. I’ve said that for awhile. If Pedro can’t come back, then I say give Heilman a shot at it.
as crazy as he’s driven all of us, heilman DID look good tonight
Yeah, until proven otherwise, Big Pelf, indeed , SUCKS! Back to finishing school Mouthpiece!
Just add to my previous points, basically the only spot where the Mets CAN legitimately upgrade is LF. They are STUCK with Castillo and Schneider, and they can eat Delgado’s contract and play Carp, but that’s hoping for an upgrade and not banking on it (although sadly enough its more than likely to be one). Instead of playing AWFUL Endy Chavez, Damion Easley, Marlon Anderson and Moises Alou the Mets simply should have had a better alternative going into the season. That falls directly on Omar Minaya who honestly has not done an excellent job getting the right pieces in.
But thats not to excuse Willie Randolph. Willie has shown nothing on the field, his clubhouse doesn’t seem to have his back or his respect, and he can’t handle the media. Basically he’s just sitting there not helping his team out in any way.
It’s also not excusing the players for not performing. They simply aren’t and theres nothing Omar or Willie can do about that. What those two men can do is change the way they approach things on and off the field. It’s never too early to make a move, even something as simple as cutting dead weight like Matt Wise or Marlon Anderson sends a message. Putting Delgado into a platoon with one of our kids sends a message. Signing/trading someone to compete for a starting spot right now sends a message. The Mets have to find something to get them going, and the reason I’m so angry as a Mets fan right now is that they aren’t trying to find that something, every aspect of this organization from the owner, to the gm, to the players, is just sitting there twiddling their thumbs hopefully things get better, instead of actually doing anything to try to right the ship. The ship can only wobble so long before it completely sinks, and it’s taking on water right now.
I went to the game, nick evens looks like he could be a hitter in his 2nd ab he crushed one 400 feet for an out, i hope the let him play. also i think hielman would be more effective starting. we need to rebuild lets trade guys that have value and are not going to be here next year like o perez ,pedro,b wagner.
Wagner will be here next year, unless he gets dealt during this season.
Wagner and Pedro have no trade clauses
I’m so happy that I only bought tickets to Opening Day and the last game ever to be played at Shea Stadium.
lets just hope the mets picks in 2008 draft are good ones! the hell with slotting! if you have to pay more for a good draft pick then do it! the red sox did and look at that team! meanwhile kazmir is getting better and better! where is that genius that made that trade?
Unfortunately the Scouts Inc. guys at espn.com said they believe the Mets are sticking to the slotting system.
Mets ownership runs a middle market organization in a big market town. The sad thing is that they get away with it.
I know, I wish they would sell to Mark Cuban. The only reason Willie is still managing this team is because the Wilpon’s do not want to pay 2 managers at the same time.
Willie to side home and the new manager to manage.
No wonder this team has awful depth. Can we get a GM who does more than scout guys in the Dominican?
Tony Bernazard needs to go….this guy is a cancer to our farm system.
I’m watching Baseball Tonight. Boy Buck Showalter looks like a shiny new manager.
Manager, what’s a manager??
While I am not sure that I would fire Willie, perhaps one of the failures of the Omar-Willie error is a real… inability to react, and to make changes that would help immediately. Willie has actually gotten better at this: Starting Evans over Tatis, Sanchez replaced Heilman at the right time (I would have waited longer, and would have been wrong. Willie handled it perfectly.)
The even-keeled attitude has served us well – but now it’s failing. Maybe it’s time to take a chance – start Heilman, call up Carp, call up Murphy, call up Kunz, something like that. Maybe a massive lineup shift. A manager change. A GM change. Both. SOMETHING.
Hypothetical lineup:
1. Reyes 2. Beltran 3. Church 4. Wright 5. Delgado (or Carp) 6. Evans 7. Schneider 8. Castillo
And we could soon have rotation of Santana – Maine – Martinez – Perez – Heilman, which HAS to look better than what we’ve got now. If not Heilman – Vargas, Bostik, Niese would all look okay in the 5th spotter start.
Kunz and/or Muniz in the pen? I dunno.
Just try SOMETHING :)
i like the lineup but i would rather switch church and beltran. church as the two and beltran as the three.
Delgado bat cleanup???? Did you see the locker room interview? this guy is a cancer……if he can’t be released or traded, he should rot on the bench!!!! He can write that in his little book!
Delgado hasn’t used the book since 2006
Delcrapo should be traded to the Tigers.
delgado should retire !
Delgado is loyal to Julio Franco. :(
Man…I miss Jose Valentine…..
I just realized that the Mets started to stink it up late 2006 till now is due to the fact that the Mets have not gotten a Grand Slam from one of their players. UNTIL CARLOS BELTRAN and David Wright hit a grand slam the Mets will continue to play lack luster baseball.
The curse of the Grand Slam.
maybe heilman as a starter might be better than pelfrey?
YOU THINK?? Rick Peterson has been stonewalling Heilman in the rotation for years, poor bastard. No wonder he sucks at relieving when he’s done everything the organization has asked like a good soldier and STILL has not recieved a good long look in the rotation.
Heilman needs to be a starter now…..just bring up carlos Muniz or eddie Kunz. Peterson seems to hate players that throw curve balls for some reason as evident by Pelfrey.
“Peterson seems to hate players that throw curve balls for some reason as evident by Pelfrey”
Are you kidding? Barry Zito?
Pelfrey was asked to junk his curve because it wasn’t a good pitch.
i think heilman is sick of relieving and thats why hes horrible!i know every time in this forum ive said this before that heilman should start but evry time i did the response here was he’s only got 2 pitches! but if he can pitch better than pelfrey than hey!
It is time for Heilman to go down to New Orleans and prepare to be a starter. There isn’t much we can get from him right now from the bullpen. Just bring up CARLOS Muniz or someone that can come out of the bp and give us innings.
And remember ther are a lot of good college first baseman in this years draft.
pelfrey does have a good arm[he was throwing 95-96 mph heat but all i saw him throw was fastballs doesnt he throw any breaking stuff?apparently he doesnt know how to pitch.
I’ve been a mets fan for over 40 years. Although it pains me to say it, this team reminds me of the mets in the early 90’s when we had the highest payroll in the NL (remember Viola, Saberhagen, Bonilla, etc) and managed to lose 100 games one year.
Simply put, we’re not a very good team. Omar built this team to win now. He took a huge risk having major positions taken by end of career guys like Alou and Delgado, and 2 starting pitching spots slated for El Duque and Pedro. There is just no possible way any intelligent GM could count on these players to play more than part time at any sort of realistic level.
Secondly, our bullpen was shaky last year, and shaky now. Plus, Omar knew (or certainly should have known) that other than Santana, and occasionally Maine, Mets starters dont go past the sixth inning. They frequently dont get more than 5 and change. Under that scenario, you are going to have a very overworked bullpen. Other than Wagner, (and perhaps Feliciano, but he never pitches more than a fews outs at a time) there isnt anyone in that pen whom Willie can call upon with any level of confidence.
Thirdly, if you know you’ve got old starters, you’ve got to have a strong bench. Sorry, but Chavez, Easley, Casanova and Marlin Anderson make up one of the weakest benches in the league.
Here’s whats scarier:
After this year, we will have no first baseman,no left fielder and perhaps three starters. Other than Reyes and Wright, who exactly have come out of our farm system to help our team in a significant way?
I honestly think that we are going downhill, and need to rebuild. I hate saying these, but its true. I dont think we’re making the playoffs this year, or any time soon. On fact, if we dont get significant production from guys like Delgado, Alou and Pedro, theres a shot we could win only around 75 games.
As a season ticket holder, I hope I’m wrong.
well hindsight is 20/20, because if I recall everybody loved Marlon, Easley, and Chavez last year, now there were rumors of a trade of Pagan for Coco Crisp, but every Mets fan was against, now its still early enough for Marlon , Easley , and chavez to get their strokes going, but you don’t want a young bench, we have a number 1 starter in Santana who history says will have a better 2nd half, Wright and Reyes haven’t even hit their prime yet, Church was a brillent trade along with Schneider, and a great back up in Castro, now do Maine and Perez need to pick it up, absolutely, Castillo is fine at 2nd, the guy gets ripped, but he plays good defense, plays hard, steals a base here and there, and gets on on base, his OBP is .362, the main problem is Randolph, he just writes lineup cards, we have injuries as do other teams, but he needs to adjust his style of play, be more aggresive, hit and runs, stealing more, we have Beltran, Wright, Reyes, Castillo, and Chavez who have speed, use it, a good manager in any profession will adjust to the situation, he doesn’t, he refused to go to ther minors to be a manager early in his post career, its now showing, he needs be moved off this team, this team is tight, playing as if its waiting for the axe to fall, let the axe fall, is it all his fault? no, but after last years collapse, he has been given enough rope, its time for a change, last year at this time we were 31-17, a season change quickly, we as Met fans should know that
make heilman a starter/call up carlos muniz/platoon delgado evans at first/fire willie randolph.
i am almost looking foward to 09 … this team has not shown anything and i dont know what to think, im about to write this year off
Someone should just go streaking across the field to bring excitement to the team.
I would also like to throw my 2006 Daily news back page that has a picture of the Mets celebrating their clincher. Maybe it’ll remind them what they’re playing for or inspire them.
this team needs to watch the 2006 Mets DVD period. i do not like the idea of the streaking. if i recall, there was a girl that ran onto the infield and got near Reyes, after that encounter Reyes was not the same.
when did that happen?
They should also see Simply Amazin
I don’t think that exposing Willie’s willy is going to inspire anyone.
true because whats a willie without a pair of OO’s
maybe the wilpons can explain to omar that the mets dont need any more oldtimers an this team!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And remember the only way a young player improves is by playing. Delgado is not going to get better.nick evans needs to play and get some experience under his belt. Who would you rather see playing first base?
Mike Carp for FB and Evans for LF. I want to see more homegrown mets.
same goes for murphy and carp.
IMO we should give heilman a shot at being a reliever. I believe to often as a reliever he’s trying to be to fine with his pitches. It happens to him when runners are on base. I believe his stats to start off an inning are far better than his stats when he comes into a game with runners on. As a starter there wouldn’t be as much pressure on him to be perfect. He wants to be a starter, why not try him there. He’s got a 94 mph fastball and a great changeup. Both which he can locate very well to both sides of the plate. Granted he doesnt have a great third pitch right now, but he has been using a slider somewhat this year with a little success.
Starting 5 – Johan, Pedro, Maine, Perez, Heilman.
Bullpen – Scho, Feliciano, Wags, Smith, Sanchez, Wise, then you can go with a guy like Muniz or Kunz, or a long reliever type like figueroa, vargas or pelfrey.
Also i’d love to see castillo taken out of the 2 hole. He has hurt us there by killing rallies at least 4-5 times in the past week. He doesn’t belong there. Its hard for the offense to get anything going when he continues to do that. I know church is hurt, but even if, i’d love to see someone else hit 2.
I don’t think this team is bad. I just think a little tinkering here and there is needed until we find something that works. All teams do it.
By the way, Fernando Martinez is supposedly out around 3 weeks. It happened about 10 days ago i believe. Anyone know when he’s due back. Don’t get me wrong i’ve liked what i’ve seen from evans. I think he has the potential to be a very good player for this team, but i wouldn’t mind getting to see martinez a little bit, cause who knows when alou will be back, if ever.
willie, give heilman the ball and say”prove me wrong”!
if heilman wants to start let him and let him show us how bad he wants to be a starter. as for pelfrey well he was throwing as hard as 96 mph but doesnt he throw anything else besides a fastball?
maybe Pelfrey should go into the bullpen, learn his craft there, and Let Heilman start, Pelfrey looks like he needs a Xanax out there, I know Reyes made that error, but does that mean he can’t get then next guy out, whatever happened to picking up a teammate? does he have to implode
its time for carp and evans and murphy and muniz to get as much playing time as possible.
why don’t we let Carp Evans , and Murphy develop in AA, Muniz can help this team now, but Carp , Evans , and Murphy? thats a big jump from AA to the Majors
Delgado needs to ride the pine. I dont care about his useless blowout home runs when pitchers are pitching to contact to wrap the game up. Every time a pitcher NEEDS to get him out, they do. With ease.
Get Carp up here, or let Evans play first. Obviously we need to wait till Church gets back to get the lineup working the way it should, but when it does, it seriously needs to be re-worked
Im thinking something like:
Reyes
Beltran
Wright
Church
Alou-Evans
Carp-gado
Schneider
Castillo
Pitcher
Its not the “AL quality 2006 lineup” we once had, but a lot of things are different from 06.
Listen, I agree with your frustration with Delgado, but do you think Mike Carp is going to jump from AA and make that big of a splash, he’s a nice prospect, but lets not ruin him, give him a chance to develop, I think Willie is afraid of certain players, like Delgado, now Delgado should not play against lefties, how about Tatis, or Evans, or Days game after night games, he is 36, use him right, thats not fair to say his homers have been useless, I mean the guy is on pace to hit over 20 Hrs and over 80 RBIs, and lets say goodbye after this year, now if they wanted to make a trade for say Sean Casey, now you’re talking, but Carp isn’t the answer
We need to shore up our bench, I wouldnt mind an Evans Delgado platoon, but its clear Delgado can’t start every game. Unfortunately hes not hitting righties either so a platoon wont be the answer, but Delgado is having a garbage year.
He can hit 80 home runs this year for all I care, because none of them ever come when we really need them.
I just heard the Delgado post game interview, they have it on podcast on the wfan.
And I quote: “we need like I said to go back to baseball”
Priceless.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I’m bouncing off the walls because of this moron, he’s hurting my prostate.
in the same breath, how many times does Jon Heyman have to ask the same freaking question, what do you want Delgado to say, Jon Heyman was baiting him into giving him a headline, so he can do his same boring broadcast on Mike and the Mad dog
All the way home tonight I thought of what I was going to say about the events of today both before and after the game.
I’ll just go with the short version. I hope by some miracle we get a Rays-Marlins world series this year. I know there’s no way in hell, but at least those two teams act like they’re playing for something. I know, it’s just May, etc, etc.
And right now on WFAN Tony Paige is complaining about SNY not giving proper coverage to Willie keeping his job, and he says they will give it plenty of coverage when he’s fired. Enough already. I can assure you if Bobby V, Mazz, or Backman were managing this team, and if they went into that meeting after pulling the kind of crap this guy pulled, they would be fired so fast their head would spin. Probably wouldn’t even be a meeting.
why do u even listen to Tony Paige, WFAN is a joke, how do these peole get jobs on that station, now only does he have an awful voice, which you would think would be important in radio, but he spews nonsense, the morning show is the only thing that worth anything on that station
I just turned it on when I got home. I usually listen for an hour after I get home from each game. It takes me a while to get in, and by that time all of the postgame stuff is over and after a loss people have settled down a little bit. OK, maybe tonight they haven’t. I agree he is very bad, and it didn’t take very long for me to shut it off and try to get some work done. The last thing he said before I had to shut it was that this team is wrong for Willie because he manages at a level that they can’t climb to, so they fail him.
the mets are closer to last place than they are to 3rd
If not for inter-league, the Mets would be 1 game in front of Washington.
Wayne Hagin threw out a great stat tonight. The Mets have 1 win and 18 losses when trailing after 6 innings. SIX innings. That sums up so much about this team.
I should have adjusted the stat as the Mets have now lost 19 when trailing after 6 innings.
The Wilpons are weak. Whether they fire Willie or not is irrelevant. The fact that they are not coming out strongly one way or the other has been an issue since last year. Willie’s power was undermined last year by the GM’s office (Tony Bernazard) and ownership did nothing. If he has no power, fire him.
Omar had the audacity to say it was his decision whether Willie was fired at the end of the year last year. The Mets had the worst collapse in the history of baseball. Baseball has been around over 100 years. Ownership should have made a strong statement saying that no one was safe. Instead they did nothing and left Omar front and center.
They come across as being very passive and letting Omar run the club. Omar has done a good job, but not so great that there shouldn’t be some showing from ownership.
Willie got Cliff Floyd to play through injuries. No other manager could do that. He’s made plenty of mistakes too, but he is a good manager. More importantly he is a good man and doesn’t deserve to twist in the wind.
Strength has to come from the top. Fire him or don’t, but make a strong statement one way or the other.
After all this time, maybe this team is what it is…….
79-83 in the last 162
If you’re driving in NY this summer, be careful not to get caught speeding or park illegally… The cops will now be issuing Mets Tickets to all offenders.
I’ll say what many think, but few have the balls to say…
These Latin players play like they don’t care – because they really don’t!
There’s definitley a culture/communication gap on this team…
Wright will never be able to captain a predominantly Latin team…
AND
These Latin players will never respect and/or play hard for a black man…
(Just check out the statistics of the “Latin Vote” for Obama)…
Get race out of the equation. The ENTIRE team is slumping, not just certain players. Heilman, Maine, Big Pelf, Schneider, DWright… Carlos(s), Reyes, Perez, Castillo… EVERYONE on this team is just playing down right terrible baseball.
I just hope they can turn this season around.
I agree, the latin players don’t hustle? god thats disturbing comment from gentry, this is a team issue, I think then main issue is the manager is really not that special, there’s plenty of talent on this team, that plays hard, they are definitely out of sync, but Willie has no clue in how to change their style of play, right now I see a team with speed, its lost power with Alou and Church hurt, so the team needs to manufactor runs, Willie just sits there and will watch the game like fan, how about running more , hit and runs, Sac bunts, , nope, not Willie, you have to fight your way out of a slump, Willie just writes lineup cards
Omar needs to start showing accountability for the team that HE put together – players and coaches alike. HE needs to be put on the hot seat. Lets see what moves HE can make instead of “supporting willie” all of the time. BTW nice farm system he put together too.
OMAR – hold yourself accountable for once!!!!!!!!
FireOmar,
The way it works in sports is the GM gets the extra opportunity. This is the team he put together, that’s correct. He owned up to that yesterday in saying they have championship talent. That point is hard to argue. Now, the question is this. Whose job is it to develop that championship talent into a championship team? I think it’s the manager’s job. He needs to light a fire under these guys’ asses really quick. I think Omar will get thru next year, while Willie will be gone this year if things don’t turn around.
I don’t want to see either one of them go, because I think they have both brought respectability and credibility back to this organization. I am in favor of shaking things up though.
I don’t agree with there being an issue of Latin players not working hard or hustling. That kind of stuff comes up over and over again, and while I don’t agree with it, well how can I put this gently?
I believe people are people and all people should be treated as equals because they are equals, and that’s the way they should be treated until they give you a real reason not to be treated that way. But… And I know I will get killed for saying this. It doesn’t come from any personal prejudice against anyone:
Shea has changed. The entire experience has changed. I don’t know if it’s Omar, or Bernazard, or someone else who makes these decisions, but the entire experience of going to Shea Stadium is no longer really an American baseball experience. I don’t personally care, so please don’t call me racist or anything like that, because I am not. But they do try very hard to hit the fans up with Latin music and culture almost from the second you get there. For example, except for the 8th inning song, almost all of the music is in Spanish; before during, and after the game.
I DON’T CARE. I go and I have fun and if I didn’t enjoy it I would stop going. But maybe it is a little bit heavy-handed. It might just turn many fans off, and it might make people feel like the whole thing is being shoved down their throat. The most important thing the team can do right now is play good baseball and start winning the games they are supposed to win. But it wouldn’t kill whoever makes the decisions on the atmosphere at Shea to mix it up a little bit. I do get the feeling that some people who have gone for a long time are feeling excluded now. Maybe some of those people are projected their frustrations on an underperforming team. Just an observation from someone who would like to see EVERYONE have more fun at the games.