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Prior to tonight’s game, Willie Randolph told reporters that Carlos Delgado will be out of tonight’s lineup so he can “clear his head.”
…in other words, sit over there young man, and think about what you’ve done…or, have not done…
According to Randolph, Delgado may get tomorrow night off as well.
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wow..
this is actually a shocker
It is a shocker. First, that Randolph is sitting him. Second, that he is not covering for him and saying he was getting his “scheduled day off”.
Maybe he heard his post game comments?
That’s the first thing that came to mind when I heard the lineups for tonight’s game.
Michael Kay said the same thing on his show, “If both Delgado and Beltran refuse to stand up for you, Willie, like you have done countless times for them, then quit protecting them. Throw them under the bus and let them take the heat. After all, they’re two of the biggest reasons why you’ve come under fire….”
I wholeheartedly agree.
WOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Is it just me, or is Michael Kay just slightly more tolerable this year?
Good for him for getting that point across.
And good for WIllie.
I almost never agree with anything MK has to say but this one time he is 100% on the money.
Willie is loyal almost to a fault. He protects Delgado especially and Delgado won’t even come right out and defend his manager. The only reason he’s still starting is because of Willie Loyalty to his veterans.
Things will work themselves out eventually though. No matter how much Delgado is making this year and no matter how much Willie sticks up for him, if he keeps hitting around .200 he will be relegated to ride the bench, baseball’s a cruel game, especially in NYC.
Reyes should be taking a breather too.
Unacceptable defensive and on-base lapses. Screw the home runs.
You see what happens when you Mouth off to John Heyman
excellent
Stop the presses!!!
Willie is acually going to bench someone? A guy who could not hit in a key spot to save his life? A guy who acually can not field or run? Who strikes out more than puts balls into play!
Where was this yesterday?
Thank you Willie for doing your job, even if it’s a little too late, please keep him on the bench.
According to Lennon,
Willie is think about sitting Carlos tomorrow too. How about everyday Willie!
Willie is trying the Costanza strategy — the opposite of everything he’d normally do!
haha, great comment.
Now fix the lineup.
So who is playing first for him? Marlon?
Evans?
easley is playing first tonight
Lineup is posted?
Just saw that. What a weak lineup! Sounds like the game won’t be played anyways. Sat him on a day the game won’t even be played.
It’s amazing some of the comments on here. First, people moan and groan about Delgado being in the lineup and now that he is on the bench, it’s still a weak lineup. What else do you expect? Church is still out with a concussion. Randolph has to work with what he has.
Easley
I think this will go a long way to clearing my head.
maybe willie was listening to the Fan this morning. They were callig for Delgado’s head.
Wow, it’s pitch-black outside @ 5:55. I’m praying for rain!
I know. I have the Corp seats but don’t want to leave my apt..
Anyone think it will pour and the game will be delayed? cancelled?
I could live with that as long as i don’t take the long trip on the 7 Train!
Are the clouds real or metaphorical?
Plus he’s benching a veteran.
perhaps the world’s first productive meeting?
hard throwing lefty + Johan needs Defense = Delgado late off the bench
I like that formula.
Who’s in his place? Evans? He scares me out there in left. With Johan pitching, I’d rather see better D.
I agree, Johan is a fly ball pitcher, Endy should be playing somewhere, thats a rough outfield, see maybe Easley should be playing the Outfield, and Tatis at first
That’s a rough outfield, maybe Easley should be playing OF. Are you sure about the point you are making?
it’s gonna rain?
getting delgado out of the line up is nice; tatis at first i assume?
Can you sit an entire roster so they can clear heir heads?
That’s “their”
or hat’s hair
WILLIE! I’m impressed, you had the guts to sit Delgado down, maybe that meeting had something
rainout???
Tonight:
SS Jose Reyes
2B Luis Castillo
3B David Wright
CF Carlos Beltran
1B Damion Easley
RF Fernando Tatis
C Ramon Castro
LF Nick Evans
LH Johan Santana
Switch 1 and 2, and 3 and 4, and 5 and 6, and I would be happy.
Other than that, you are on to something….
lol- I totally agree
That was aimed at willie, not you DWright…
or 5 and 8
If you think about it – Willie has actually done a better job this year. He’s become a better manager. He has been less stubborn, and this is another example of it.
He was quick to replace Heilman with Sanchez. He’s batted Castillo 8th a lot.
I think Willie’s done a good job. Maybe the players just don’t respect him, but that could just as easily be a reflection of the players.
Now – I still think you can legitimately make an argument to fire him. But I still think, overall, he is a good manager. Maybe just not with these players.
He hasn’t gone far enough, and he may have been forced to make these moves.
He is still too stubborn, I would like to see him do more.
I’d like to see him do more too, how about being agressive, he’s like Earl Weaver, always waits for the 3 run homer, he needs a little more ” White Rat” in him
Oberkfell lists Herzog as his prime managerial influence.
It’s all about the team’s focus, and the team has no focus. He’s just not right for the team.
I thought his head already was clear. Ohhhh, you’re talking about the inside.
Maybe there was actually a “productive” meeting yesterday?
Heilman in long role and kept his job last night…for now.
Wise didn’t, comes down with the mysterious “tired arm syndrome”.
Muniz gets a shot, maybe even in later innings.
Deldago sits to “clear his head”:
Please, please, keep it coming. You want to keep Randolph, fine, but keep shaking things up.
How about clearing a roster spot instead?
first thing first i guess
Willie gave him a day off to clear the head that he’s not paid to think with.
lol Perfect!
FINALLY! If only Omar would show some guts and release him like the Blue Jays did with Frank Thomas.
then who plays first? u would rely on nick evans to play first every day rather than delgado??
why not Nick Evans? At least he’d bring a spark that Delcrappo couldn’t. Then, if he doesn’t play well enough, look for someone at the deadline.
If Church isnt going to be out long then you could try Evans or Tatis at 1B. Casanova is on the roster (for some reason) give him a look over there. All the Mets minor league catchers play a few games at 1B or LF here and there to get their bats in the lineup, so its not the first time he’s played 1B like Piazza.
Marlon Anderson and Jose Valentin could be the other half of a 1B platoon later in the year.
Oh please. Casanova at first? Hilarious.
And your platoon would work better if Valentin was a better right hand stick than left which he isn’t… great points.
uh, Valentin (OR Anderson) would be the lefty half of a platoon with Tatis or Evans. Not a platoon with each other… Valentin doesnt need to be a righty bat.
ok with Casanova… but if they have him here because he can hit then they should use him somehow.
having an emergency 3rd catcher, a 1B who cant do anything, and a RF out for who knows how long… you cant play with that kind of a roster in the NL.
i would and let me tell you why first of all delgado is not going to improve and wouldnt it be better to see a young player getting some time under his belt and improving than watching a older player who isnt?
And replace him with whom? Don’t say “anybody”, “the ball boy”, or “Lou Gehrig”. Of available options, who should play first?
Wally Pipp.
Nah, he has a headache.
Mr Pibb
A big fat platoon, or Hatteberg, for all I care.
Hatteberg plays for another team, and the Mets might be breaking a rule by playing him. I’d have to check. He’s also hitting .173 with no HRs. That’s an upgrade. Delgado, for all his shortcomings, is second on the team in HRs and 4th in RBI’s. Replacing him with a warm body is not improvement.
Correction: he has the second most HR’s (he’s tied for third on the team after Wright and Church.)
Hatteberg was DFA’ed today.
I’d rather give Evans a longer look at his natural position, spelling him with Anderson, Easley, or Tatis.
Don’t talk to me about RBIs. He hits FIFTH. With Wright and Beltran, both OBP machines this season, in front of him, he should be FIRST.
Delgado is done. Anyone who watches these games knows he is done. We need someone who is going to put the ball in play. Platoon Evans and Carp, they have to be able to do better than a .215 BA with a .295 OBP.
A hatteberg/Evans platoon wouldnt be bad. Hatteberg is a smart hitter and can hit situationally which Delgado cant. We could probably get nice production out of those 2. I know one thing, they will produce more then the .200/.300/.400 Delgado has.
twassel, last year Hatteberg posted a .320/.410/.490 line against righties.In 06 he posted a .300/.400/.450 line againt righties. He is a very adequate half of a platoon. Him and Evans would provide very nice 7 slot hitters.
Agreed.
Maybe he can spend his day off in a recording studio accompanying Peter Gammons for a stirring rendition of “God Bless America.” They’re both so “decent.”
I don’t think so, our genius doesn’t like to pledge allegiance.
That was the point, really. . .
alright snippy
Not trying to be snippy.
This lineup is scary in its utter suckitude though. Man, I hope Church isn’t out long….
This is completely unfounded speculation prompted primarily by wishful thinking but…
Is there any chance they may be holding him out because they’ve got a trade in the works for him?
If only. . . .
Willie has done his part. Now it’s up to Omar to find a replacement. The Mets need a cleanup hitter.
Barry Bonds anyone?
“Final nail,” anyone?
NO. I’d rather lose than have that s*bag on the team.
God you people are morons. You dont want Barry Bonds yet you complain about the offense. You dont want Barry despite the fact we need a LF and he is a top 5 productive hitter in the world. Then stop complaining and be okay with losing. You hate Barry Bonds because ESPN tells you to. Do you hate every steroid user equally? Oh, no its because Bonds is such a jerk, right? I bet he will come right into the Mets clubhouse and slap Reyes in the face, and piss on David Wrights locker. Give me a break. Anybody that complains about the Mets offense and then turns around and says they dont want Bonds is just a complete and total moron. Yeah, Bonds will mess up this great team chemisty we have right now. I mean, its so beautiful there, with Wagner and Delgado sputing off, Wright getting impatient, Willie on the chopping block etc. Why mess with this?
You may be the dumbest person ever to refer to others as “morons.”
Why, because for some reason, I dont scoff at the idea of bringing in the best hitter of all time who is still a top 10, probably top 5 hitter in the world? How can you complain about this team, and say no to Barry Bonds. It is mind boggling.
Why do you think people don’t want Barry Bonds, genius? Hint: it has little to do with his batting average, and a lot to do with spending money to watch and support the Mets.
BTW, When I post something, that I feel is thought out and makes a point, and the response back just calls me dumb, without any reason, I feel I won that little debate. Atleast I tell people why I think they are morons. What is not correct about my post, or what makes it do “dumb?” Give me a legit reason why the Mets shouldnt go after Barry Bonds. And stupid personal cr*p doesnt count. Tell me how putting his .450 OBP and his .600 SLG in LF will somehow be outweighed by his negative presence, or some imaginary distraction?
Wow, what were you just refreshing the screen every 4 seconds waiting for me to answer?
“Why do you think people don’t want Barry Bonds, genius? Hint: it has little to do with his batting average, and a lot to do with spending money to watch and support the Mets.”
WTF does that mean? Barry Bonds would definitely make the Mets better. Isn’t that what you want? Or is this some self righteous BS about how people just wont root for a steroid user because we are too noble and classy for that? I dont get it. If you dont like him personally, and dont want him on the team, that is one thing, but to openly call out the idea, and say no way, its stupid, and then turn around and complain how bad the offense is, this is just unbelievably moronic.
I’m referring more to your tone.
If you can’t understand why people could give a rats about Bonds’ OPS (which you might see were he healthy, which you won’t see), why don’t you read the post you responded to? Bonds is a selfish, self-obsessed megalomaniac pushing 45 with pending perjury indictments. Sign me up!
The trial is a non issue. That could easily be worked out in a contract. If he goes to trial this year (which there is no chance of) the Mets can void the deal. Do you know Bonds personally? Can you give me evidence that teams he has played on have done worse because of his selfishness? That his ego and selfishness have somehow caused more negative results then his bat has caused postive results? What do you mean he isnt healthy? He is as healthy as he was in 2007, when he was as productive as any hitter in the league. He posted an OPS+ of 170 last year. The guy can still absolutely mash. All I am saying is, if you dont want Bonds in LF, you have no right to complain about how bad the offense is. He would give an unmeasurable boost to this teams offense, that is not even up for debate.
Let’s get this straight: unless I’m OK with an alleged felon who has dragged the sport through slime and tainted its most hallowed records, I lose my “right” to complain about the offense.
This is sort of like saying “hey, if you don’t want the Mets to take HGH, don’t complain about the offense!”
I applaud the Mets for operating within some constraints (not signing Bonds . . . though I’m sure it’s a money/PR issue,) but think they could do a far better job within those constraints.
Let me know if that can’t work it’s way through the several inches of skull, and if not, I’ll write it out in crayon and FedEx it to you. Might make more sense to you that way.
I wish my boss were to give me a day off so “I can clear my head”. LOL
Yay Willie!
This lineup looks a little sad but…, THANK YOU WILLIE!! this should have been done last season
This move seems like a behind the scenes, “Omar told me to do it move” more than Wilie doing it on his own.
Why would he do it now after Delgado hit 3 homers in 4 games last week rather than when he was in a 2-40 slump and Willie kept trotting him out there. The timing of this makes me suspicious it’s even Willie’s brainchild.
Fair point, but Omar’s job should be to make personnel moves, not tell the manager who to bench and when. I’d rather Omar spent his time looking for someone who can play a decent first base and be moderately productive at the plate, and not drag the whole team down like this useless pantload we’ve got there now.
Good. Now DFA him and fire Bernazard and then we’re in business.
How about you lock yourself in your garage and turn your car on and take a nice long nap. Then I will be in business.
That was a nasty, pointless, and irresponsible post, and you should be ashamed.
And yes, Bernazard should be canned.
Oooh a big tough internet guy. What? Did I hurt your little feelings? Sniff sniff.
I hope he stays out of the lineup
I’ve been a Willie basher not because of the many things he does (honestly…not much of a sample there anyway), but more so because of the many things he DOESN’T do. His level of inactivity and the perception of him living in denial with the state of this team is what is so intolerable to me. The image of him as the captain going down with the ship has stuck for months. And he did little to change that in all his cliche-saturated press conferences and calm on-field demeanor.
But things like this benching Delgado decision makes me want to stand up and appalud WIllie. And applaud LOUD. Hell…bench Beltran and Castillo as well. Make Reyes and Wonderboy Wright run laps after the game or do midnight batting practice. Tell Schneider to call a better game. Call out the underperformers in the press conferences and really tell us how it is after each game. Tell Peterson to turn off his IPOd blaring Peter Paul and Mary, stop with the KumbahYa karma crap, and tell these pitchers that they are going 120 pitches minimum and need to tough it out. Stop thinking and phuking pitch. The more often Willie does these things, the more he is going to find that this fan base will quickly get behind him. Because it will become evident that 1) he is trying. and 2) the issue is the players, and that something stinks in that clubhouse Omar constructed.
Willie has dug his grave with the WIlpons and Omar, and now he is operating in survival mode. And when you operate in survival mode….you do what it takes to win. You don’t care who you piss off. And if that is the page he has turned (AND I SERIOUSLY HOPE IT IS), than I am certainly willing to get back on board with Willie and root him on the rest of this season. Because that page turn is exactly what I have been begging for over 162 games already!
And if Willie still fails, well, at least he earned back some respect from us fans and shed light on the real issue with this team.
Clap clap clap….post of the year.
oh please, save it for Mike and the Mad Dog – oh wait, they already said this. And I thought it ridiculous the first time.
You guys give Willie too much blame at times and too much credit at others. Who didn’t know that with a tough lefty (Andrew Miller) pitching tonight and Delgado struggling again at the plate that Willie wouldn’t sit him for Evan, Easley, whomever. It just shows that you’re not paying attention or don’t know what you’re talking about.
If that’s a shock to you, then I don’t know quite what to say. Maybe it’s the froth coming out of your mouth. Have you been bitten by a dog lately?
You can downplay this all you want.
When has Willie ever announced prior to a game that Delgado was out to clear his head today and perhaps tomorrow as well? This is a benching, not a strategic move to avoid a lefty-lefty match-up. SNY states it. ESPN Radio states it. Practically everyone realizes this, except Glider…who clearly is the one not paying attention.
tough lefty? hes got good stuff no doubt but he isnt randy johnson just yet.
Bench Beltran? Yeah, good idea. Brilliant actually. Bench the best CF we have ever had because of his awfully unbelievably horrible 800 OPS in May. Oh, its so horrible. Most teams would kill to have a gold glove CF who posts an 800 OPS, and Beltran’s OPS will be up near 900 before the end of the year. Make Reyes and Wright run laps? That is just straight up laughable. If I was David Wright or Reyes, and Willie told me to run laps after a game, I would laugh at him, then when I realized he wasn’t kidding I would keep laughing at him. And I wouldnt run the laps either. What is he going to do, bench them? Its crazy. This isn’t a highschool team. I agree that he needs do what ever he needs to win, but benching your best player and making your best 2 young players run laps, or embarrasing/punishing them in some other way is just stupid. Mike Francesa really hit it. The problems are 3. No Pedro, No alou, and for all meaningful purposes, no Delgado. If we have 2 out of those 3 things going for us , we will win, if only 1 of them, or in this case, none of them are going, it will be tough.
Cleanup in Aisle 3- praising Mike Fatcessa alert on a Mets related website.
exactly. now that’s a way to lose credibility.
praise the lord
I hope by ‘clear his head’ you mean put a 9mm next to hit and pull the triger until the gun goes click?
If not, then whoopie.. hell be back in two days batting 5th.. instead of 7th which is wehre he was actually heating up.
I don’t know where to begin. . . .
a bit harsh, but funny i think
You have to remember — all we see is a disembodied post with a screen name.
Before anyone goes that nuts, how do we know Delgado didn’t request a day or two off??
If he did it would be as easy as Randolph saying that. He didn’t and isn’t sticking up for Delgado for once. He is saying what he truly feels. Bench him for the week for all I care – way to go Willie! This is what I want to see – hold your players accountable.
Also – Delgado – don’t mess with John Heyman :)
Any chance he is clearing his locker as well?
a lot of good college 1st baseman in th upcoming draft.
ok I seem to have missed the statements from Beltran and Delgado throwing Willie under the bus – I see ones on anothe thread and they did not seem offensive that way – what else did they say…
Nothing. It is just the anti-Delgado crowd here interpreting Delgado’s refusal to get needled by a pushy reporter as somehow “anti-Willie.” It’s as if Mike Francesca sets the talking points for the day and the fans here claim to hate the guy yet parrot every idiot statement he makes.
Delgado is a team player. Makes no nevermind to me what he says to a reporter, production is all that counts. I agree it’s a good idea to sit Delgado against a tough lefty tonight but it’s also clear we need his bat in the lineup – look how thin it is without him.
The team looked better without him last night. We didn’t miss his pop ups with runners on base or his laughable (clean uniform) fielding. My disdain for him is genuine, not media induced.
Delgado is a cancer!! That un-American bum should rot on the bench for the rest of the year! He hasn’t made an entry in his little book since 2006. How many different ways can you write “I stink”.
HOW about you clear your head in AAA