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Last night in a loss to the Marlins, Mike Pelfrey allowed six runs on six hits and 95 pitches while striking out three and walking three in four innings against 22 batters.
Following last night’s game, Pelfrey told reporters:
“I was terrible…The guys battled back, and gave me three runs and I went back out and gave them all away. I almost felt like I beat myself, more than anything. I didn’t execute pitches. The balls that were hit weren’t hit great, but I put myself in those situations and paid for it…I think it boils down to the balls and strikes. Any time you throw 50 strikes in a game, and 40 something balls, it’s not gonna be good.”
To watch Pelfrey’s comments, courtesy of 
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…well, i wouldn’t go so far as to say ‘terrible,’ mike…i mean, we’ve seen terrible this season, and you were not terrible…
…that said, while the defense behind him didn’t help him, specifically Jose Reyes and Carlos Beltran, but mike is just not getting ahead of batters and so he’s putting himself in position to get burned…it’s been happening for a while now, actually…
Pelfrey is 2–6 with a 5.33 ERA in nine starts this season.
The Mets are 0–7 in his last seven starts, and 2–7 on the season.
…the thing is, he’s young…he’s still learning how to pitch, and i tend to forget that in the heat of the moment…i want him to be a top starter now, forgetting that he has just 140 innings pitched in his career, which is a lot, but still too few for him or us to know what he’s all about…the clock is ticking, though…
Minaya’s talent development on display. Just as bad as Omar’s cronyism contracts.
Minaya’s talent development needed another year to develop before being thrown into the fire. Even “can’t-miss” prospects like Phil Hughes are getting knocked around. Yanks were able to save face by putting him on the DL, rather than outright sending him down to AAA.
Pelfrey will be in AAA when Pedro comes back. Sometime in 2017.
joel sherman wrote not one, but two columns bashing the mets this morning. both of them, unfortunately, were columns i had to agree with.
there is no question pelfrey is not major league ready….2-8 last year….2-6 this year….the experiment has to end…he gives us no chance to breathe…..we get a lead he gives it back….he has no out pitch….hes at 100 pitches through 4 innings….he has shown no domination in the minors to deserve to keep losing in the majors
step 1 of the healing process is pelfrey goes down for this year and we see what else we have…..maybe armas jr., jon niese…idk….but pelfrey persona is one of many weak ones that have to go
Pelfrey is a mystery. He has high 90’s heat but strikes nobody out. His WHIP, during three major league seasons (albeit small samples) has been right at 1.72 each year, give or take a hundredth of a point.
To me, he doesn’t have an out pitch. He can get two strikes on a hitter but can’t put him away. I’m not sure forcing him to abandon his curve for a slider was a smart thing to do -he couldn’t control the curve but at least it was big and nasty. At the very least, he should be throwing a four seamer like Mane because he could beat guys up in the zone.
I don’t want to give up on him because sinkerballers take a notoriously long time to develop – but there’s not much reason to believe that Pelf will ever develop into a front-of-the rotation option.
Arizona fans were writing the same thing about Webb when he struggled his first couple years but once he got confidence in his sinkerball, he became almost unhittable. Pedro comes back (hold your breath) next week so you send Pelfrey down to work on his mechanics, stuff and get his confidence back. Its too early to give up on him as a pro but he should not be learning against major league hitters, give him some more time to develop and mature in the minors and in a year or two we’ll see more of his potential as a top of the rotation starter.
he needs to go down, certainly by the time Pedro comes back. Leave him there until he learns how to pitch (mentally), gets some control, and develops an out pitch.
A good curve ball would help.
He had one when he came up… huge 12-6 monster curve. It was by far his best pitch, his out pitch through four years of college. He had trouble locating it in his first few appearances and the Mets insisted he stop throwing it completely and learn the slider at the big league level. It’s been downhill from there.
College hitters miss a lot of the hanging curve balls that college pitchers throw, big league hitters deposit them into the upper deck. I have no problem abandoning his curve ball if he can throw his change up, slider and fastball for strikes. Too many times he gets ahead of the hitter and then misses with his changeup and slider where the hitter knows that pelfrey must throw his fastball. If he locates his slider or changeup better he won’t need the curveball.
Definitely when Pedro comes back. He needs to go to the Zephyrs and regain his curveball, then work on a change and slider. Thing is, he won’t be sent back down. Claudio Vargas will be, unfortunately.
don’t count on it, especially if they risk losing him.
right now, they are trying to win games quickly to salvage the season, so they will go with the player that can help the most.
If they were writing off the season, then you could say let Pelf learn on the job.
Actually, Vargas, if he finally has his act together, might be a viable option for next year too.
WE CAN BELIEVE IN CHANGE!!!
YES WE (SHE) CAN!!!
we should trade for brandon webb.
I agree. Think we could get the D-Backs to sell low being that he has lost 2 straight?
If Reyes doesn’t boot that ball in the first, Pelfrey throws 15 fewer pitches and 2 runs don’t score. If Beltran stopped that ball in the 3rd, 2 runs don’t score.
If. If. If.
Exactly what I was thinking last night. Never has it been more evident that it no longer is 2006. I mean, breaks that the Mets got in 2006 are just going the other way not. Wes Helms making great defensive plays. Luis Gonzalez and Helms finding the spot.
By the way, Nick Evans makes me dizzy circling under a fly ball. Not too comfortable with him there.
Pelfrey was terrible, Matt! The thing is, he is young, but is he learning? Where’s the evidence he’s learning?
Last year he started out 0-7 and this year he learned to win his first two decisions, maybe?
I just don’t know…
I think Pelfrey needs a secondary pitch. There is only so far that a 94-95 MPH fastball will take you. His slider is sub-par. Othere in this thread have posted that he came up with a huge 12-6 curve that he had trouble commanding. That should be his secondary/out pitch.
This team sucks. Flat out, no hope at all in these guys right now. They can’t field, they sure can’t run bases, and they can’t hit. This organization, in what took so long to get back to respectable, has pissed it all away again. Unreal.
Right now, it is very very difficult to watch this team (and have a good time doing so). The only people that are going to turn this around are the players. I think Santana needs to pitch like an ace tonight. Someone needs to stop the bleeding.
Even if he does and they win 8-0, they will just come back flat on Wednesday.
Tough to argue. I guess you could always bank on another stellar 4.2IP, 5H, 6ER, 7BB, 5K performance from Ollie to follow that up.
There’s only one thing I’m certain of regarding Mike Pelfrey: he’s not ready. I don’t know if he needs more seasoning at AAA, or if he’d be better suited for the bullpen, or if just plain isn’t very good. But they can’t keep running him out there every five days.
That much is agreed. It’s like giving up a game every 5 days. It looks like he will have 1 more start before he gets skipped one turn in the rotation while Pedro pitches and hurts himself again.
Then Pelfrey will come back, fresh off of a AAA start. But hey, at least we aren’t calling up Kei Igawa to pitch an emergency start.
Frankly, it makes no difference results-wise if you bring up Igawa or Pelfrey.
I guess a loss is a loss, but at least people can’t yell and scream that Omar is an idiot for getting Igawa.
Where are all of the people calling for Cashman’s head? At least we are only a $140MM team with no bullpen. The Yanks are a $240MM team with no bullpen, depth, or starting pitching. Yet, Cashman gets a free pass because they made the playoffs.
I understand that is a good benchmark in baseball, but come on.
Insult to Injury:
* Scott Kazmir won his fourth straight start, striking out 10 in seven
innings to lead the AL East-leading Rays over the Texas Rangers 7-3 Monday night.
* Red-hot Rays now 16-1 in last 17 home games
* Colon sharp again as Red Sox end road woes
* SI.Com Headline New York Mess
* Jay Bruce, an outfielder considered the Cincinnati Reds’ top prospect, is expected to be called up from team’s top minor league club on Tuesday.
I really don’t see what Kazmir has to do with anything anymore, but it is beyond frustrating that Omar was “scared off” by Colon’s arm, when it would have been a no-risk rehabilitation scenario.
It’s not that’s it’s Kazmir the ex-met as much as it’s a young pitcher doing really well while ours stinks. I also left off Clayton Kershaw the 20-year old who looks real good.
The rest I hope are self explanatory but:
Colon passed over by Mets, doing well for Sox.
Reds top prospect on his way, ours on DL.
SI an ESPN basically calling Mets a joke.
25 odd posts and not once has anyone considered that the CEO of pitching has any responsibility in the mess.
I do – Leo Mazzone is just sitting there waiting and we’re wasting time with Peterson’s 3-2 All-Stars.
The Yankees will hire him in the next 3 months if we’re not smart enough to do so.
Mazzone is not going to be hired by the Yankees, because his time in Baltimore proved he is not the uber guru he was perceived to be
He should get Pelf working on that curve like he got Heilman to go back to 3/4 delivery. He has fixed something…
Peterson is getting a pass here and I’m not sure why. The Wilpon’s do hold him in high regard though. Problem is, I think he has the same attitude as our manager. Laid back with little sense of urgency.
Not saying it’s right, but Ozzie Guillen would have called out and benched about 4 or 5 guys from the everyday lineup by now…Reyes, Wright, Beltran, Delgado, and Castillo all would have sat for; a) not hustling, b) poor play, or c) not thinking.
Peterson can only do so much. He can’t keep El Duque and Pedro off the DL, can’t tell Heilman not to hang his fastball, can’t make Pelfrey confident, or make Ollie stay focused.
Checking back in for my periodic update with Matthew Cerrone’s MetsBlog. Is Mike Pelfrey ready for the big leagues? No, however it’s a moot question because he’s the best of the presently available options. It’s a thread reminiscent of a recent conversation regarding the Mets, where I commented that there’s nothing wrong with the Mets that a new fan base couldn’t fix. Like I said, it’s moot.
Funny how we no longer see stats for Pelfrey and Perez for when Schneider is behind the plate… I guess that theory went bunk fast.
2-3 starts from Pedro will allow Pelfrey to go down and get a couple AAA starts. Hopefully it will be longer, and hopefully next year Pelfrey will come to ST with his own plan and do what HE thinks is best for his career. He will be out of options and he will make 32-34 starts, and he make be no better than right now.
I think Reyes’ errors went a long way in deciding the game. I belive both errors occurred with two outs and both brought in runs.
So many runs seem to be scored against this team with 2 outs. Error or not, Pelf has to pick up the team (and player making the error) and get the 3rd out.
I just had a great idea: trade, using Nick Evans as quick bait, Pelfrey and Heilman for a decent, Claudio Vargas- level pitcher, then get someone from the minors temporarily to take Heilman’s spot, then make Vargas a reliever and put the minor-leaguer back upon Pedro’s return.