In last night’s loss to the Giants, Oliver Perez allowed six runs on five hits and two walks before being pulled from the game with just one out in the first inning.
…what’s up with oliver…this is three starts in a row now during which he could not find the plate, could not crack 90 mph with his fastball he and essentially got torched…in Colorado he walked eight batters, against the Marlins he let up three home runs, and last night, well, last night he was just a total mess…
In 12 starts this season, during which the Mets are 5–7, Perez has allowed 43 runs in 60 innings pitched.
Willie Randolph, on Perez, speaking to reporters:
“Oliver had a horrible night. He didn’t throw the ball well…You have to make adjustments, and Ollie didn’t seem to make any adjustments. I don’t think he hit the glove all night. That was disappointing. Even if you don’t have your best stuff, you need to make adjustments. You can’t just haul off and throw as hard as you can, and that’s what it seemed like he was doing…You’ve got to keep us in the ball game, and he didn’t do that. It was a terrible outing.”
…yikes…the thing is, he’s right…willie did not look happy when he pulled oliver from the hill…it makes me wonder if perez’s spot in the rotation is a stable as he’d like to think it is…
…you know, if the Mets knew they could trade for a more stable starting pitcher, by using, say, a guy like Aaron Heilman, or a prospect, etc, i wonder if they’d consider trading perez…
…i’m not suggesting they do, but, knowing this team intends to shake things up a bit before the deadline, i wonder if perez is a candidate to be moved since he is a free agent at the end of the season…
{ 193 comments }
Not making excuses for Perez, because he has been erratic all season, but on a day like Sunday when you have such a late game then red eye flight, surely it makes sense to send your next day’s starting pitcher out to CA early so at least he can get some sleep? Makes a lot of sense to me
Didn’t the Mets do that? I thought they sent Perez and Pedro to SF a couple of days early.
I think with a guy like Ollie having a night to yourself to do nothing is the worst thing he can have. I doubt anyone wants Ollie in a trade at this point with his contract expiring. Seems hard to believe anyone would want Heilman in his current state too, unless some team really does believe he can be a starter. The team has done everything they can to deny that fact though (I agree fwiw), so it’s a tough sell.
wow .. you can’t type the word “m*n*gement” and get a post through
There’s a reason for that.
obviously m00kie has forgotten about the forcibly retired poster bearing a similar name.
They sure did!
Both Ollie and Pedro flew out to SF a day early. You have to wonder if Ollie is injured or if this being a contract year is in his head.
Sorry but that is an excuse, he didn’t play Sunday, he plain stinks
He’s done! NUF SAID!
The Pirates were a lot smarter than us : they had enough and dumped him. He’s a lost cause. Trade him for a bag of balls.
He’s not done, he’s just neurotic. Up his Lexapro a bit, give him some Xanax on top of it, & you’ll be surprised at how fine he pitchers.
They did send him out a day early. They also sent Pedro.
I think the answer is to pounce and offer him a 3yr $30M contract. He will turn it around. If he is not injured than it is the pressure of a contract year that is screwing with his fragile head.
Either way…he is a ML pitcher and has recently pitched a complete season to 15 wins and a mid 3 era. He will revert back to that guy and we will be happy to have him long term with a reasonable contract. at this point…I think even Boras would agree to lock him up rather than continue to “test his market value” at seasons end
I hope all that was sarcasm
That’s Boras in disguise.
Not subtle enough to be Boras. After he engineered that whole A-Rod thing from behind ALL the scenes, he really got me scared.
too much sightseeing, then.
The Mets DID send Perez out early on Sunday to get rest.
At this point, I’m all for trading Heilman, Perez and a prospect for a pitcher who is going to be more consistent and help keep up the play of the team. Perez just doesn’t really seem to do that often enough.
Problem is the value for these guys are at their absolute lowest.
I feel that is this is a perfect time to point out to all of baseball, what a brilliant baseball mind i am. I know that the mets offered my client a hefty multi-year deal, but i convinced him that he was truly an ace and would get so much more in free agency. Obviously I was right, and I know that he’ll get a similar contract as these other legends; bartolo colon, jon Lieber, freddy garcia, and jeff weaver. Thats right thanks to my brilliant baseball strategy and my clients phenomenal performances so far, this off season will surely bring a multi-month contract, and if everything goes as planned, that contract will be with a major-league team. How awesome am I.
Bragingly
Scott Boras
The one silver lining to last night’s Olliecoaster was that it will make Bora$’ job that much harder in the offseason.
At least Zito was kind enough to wait until *after* Bora$ got him an obscene contract before imploding.
“Bragingly”?
I’m starting to understand how Pittsburgh gave up on a young lefty with so much talent. I just don’t think there’s much between the ears with this guy. It’s almost tragic in a sense that he’s been blessed with so much talent but burdened with a 2 cent head that can’t put it together. I’m not ready to get rid of this guy, but clearly the 15 win Perez is not showing up this season.
In my opinion, Oliver Perez represents everything that’s been wrong with the 07-08 Mets. An immensely talented player who has shown flashes of brilliance, but who sleepwalks through sections of games, and buckles completely when the adversity builds up too much. Frankly, he hasn’t been very good since the second half of last year.
I would love to give him the Steve Trachsel treatment, primarily to stick it to him and Boras, but my guess is, given the frailty of the rest of the rotation, we’re going to have to endure Ollie in the rotation through the end of the year. His trade value is minimal, so all we can hope is he somehow retains his “A” status and we can pick up two draft picks next year when some team falls for Boras’ hype and pays this dumb-dumb $12M a year.
i really hope i don’t have to change my handle to nomoreperez, but he’s awful. I can’t STAND watching this guy.
on the plus side, gutty effort from vargas last night. he’s growing on me.
How does one go about changing a handle? I’ve been stuck with this one for far too long…
Haven’t tried it here, but I imagine you just sign out (or clear the cache and cookies) and then sign up with a new handle.
No, keep nomoredelgado. Ollie only hurts us once every 5 days, Delgotnothing hurts us everyday!
It would be interesting to gauge the market for Sabathia.
With Perez and Sabathia both type A free agents, Cleveland might accept Perez in a package. Cleveland could either attempt to sign Perez (cheaper than Sabathia) or assume that Perez doesn’t accept arbitration after the season (a good bet with Boras as his agent). This means that the rest of the package would be view as the cost of a partial year rental.
A deal that included Perez, Heilman, a 2nd tier prospect and cash is what the Mets could afford. Depending on how Cleveland views next year’s draft, this might be better than any young talent another team offers.
AND, Heilman would be better than Blownsavski at this point.
oh I think it is CERTAINLY not a bad idea to send him down to AAA and MOST CERTAINLY not a bad idea to entertain a trade for him. You might have to swap him for another SP that is a FA to be, like just off the top of my head AJ Burnett (JUST off the top of my head).
But even if you can package him AND Heilman for one ML ready kid and some other good prospects, you might have to really sit down and consider it. The problem is you HAVE to lean on Pelfrey, Vargas, AND Pedro in the rotation.
Then if they falter, we have to call up an Armas Jr…
it might be rough but if we don’t contend, then I dont see why we cant sell our only assets, Heilman and Perez
Again, it’s a tough situation to be in. THere DEFINITELY are pros and cons…but it is something to consider
I thought Armas Jr had season ending surgery?
Think that was Bostick and Jason Vargas.
Armas Jr. pitched last night for Nola.
I just don’t get this guy, he is in a FA year and it seems like the lights are on and no one is home. He has the Ryan Church glazed look in his eyes all the time. It is time for Omar to seriously look into moving this guy by the trading dead line. The problem is he has no value right now. Nice job taking the Mets for that 6.5 million in arbitration, are you going to give any back?
The 6.5 Million makes up for the 15 million dollar pitcher we got last season.
Either way, who is going to trade for Perez? He is lost and in his last year. Maybe a salary dump? Someone mentioned Nate Robertson yesterday. I am sure with Willis in the bullpen and Robertson struggling they might think about it.
He should still be ashamed every time he cashes a check. but you are right, no one in their right mind would trade for this guy.
No shame. He probably has direct deposit. ;-)
Come on now, even you don’t think he was a $15 million dollar pitcher last year, or do you?
Look at his stats and compare them to the market.
A $15 million pitcher is the Santana level, do you honestly think he pitched like Johan? He had many blowups last year as well, one of many reasons why we didn’t make the playoffs, he is a #5 at best on many days.
You think Santana in this market is a 15 million dollar pitcher? Man the Met’s got burned there.
Look at these salaries and then look at their numbers last year compared to Oliver’s.
Silva 12 million
Meche 12 million
Padilla 12 million
Millwood 12 million
Pettitte 16 million
Mussina 11 million
Glavine 13 million declined option
Zito no need to even go there
Zambrano 18 million
Lilly 12 million
Bonderman 12.5 million
Perez made 2.235 last season and 6.5 this season. That’s 8.75 million total and still less than anyone on the list.
Yet here is a list of pitchers that Perez pitched better than last season.
Burehrle, Cain, Verlander, Harang, Halladay, Vazquez, Burnnett, Snell, Lilly, Blanton, Maddux, Petitte, Zambrano, Fancis, DiceK, Zito, Bonderman, Millwood, Dtrain, Menche, Padilla, Silva, Glavine, Mussina.
Now do I want him back, NO. Should he be ashamed of his check? NO he earned it. Your salary is always based on your previous year’s performance. He is getting what he deserves because he has cost himself millions in the future.
actually santana level is about 23 million per year (averaged out, before all the technical people jump in).
I would say that Perez was about 2/3 of a santana last year. Wouldn’t you?
“The 6.5 Million makes up for the 15 million dollar pitcher we got last season.”
Give me a break. You need to learn more about the game. Everyday, I look at the opinions you display and I grab a co-worker to have a chuckle at your comments. Keep up the good work, youngin.
You are a tool, no offense.
You have to be someone who changed their handle that I embarrassed before.
What part of baseball do YOU not understand. Players are not paid based on their current season, they are paid based on their previous season and potential for the next.
Thus the fact that Ollie is gettting 6.5 this season is a REWARD for something that he earned last season by out pitching most of the SP in the majors at a salary of less than 2.5 million.
And the fact that I am bringing any sunshine to your dull life makes me happy.
Hey Littleman, how old are you? Seriously?
I just do not understand where you are getting your information from?
Because it really has no reasonable baseball sense,l
BTW, I am a lifer at Shea. Section 18 Mezz. Row G Seats 9, 10, 11, 12.
Stop by sometime
Was that your mom I hit the other day when I got my learners permit?
Seriously, there is no reason for you to just stalk my post.
And why on earth would I care that you are a lifer or your seat #? Did I question your loyalty to the team?
You my friend, are an Idiot.
What information are you refering to? The fact that Perez’s contract this year was uh… based on a really good season last year? DUH.
EXACTLY LITTLE BOY. yOU Never ever lived 1986.
sO Stop your lying and front you are putting on for everyone here. Everyone sees that you are a phony a sham a fake.
I am the real deal Staten Island ITalian Mobsta…Runnin it at Shea. Fool.
You are just a little boy
WOw sOmeBody TO bE an AdUlt SUre caN’t tYpe verY WELl, lOL.
Any credibiity that you had at all just went away with that post.
I now think that you attach on to my post to actually make ME look better, Thanks.
Little man…….Little man.
I am the bumba-clot rude boi.
You cannot mess with m e.
I C U P
Wow, I know this isn’t my fight here, but Shaolin, you’re really portraying yourself as an asshole.
Why must you resort directly to personal insults and things of that ilk? If you disagree with what TRS86 said, why not elaborate? Your age (or TRS86’s age for that matter) is completely irrelevant, but you make yourself sound like you’re a cocky little 14 year old school boy. Is that really how you want to represent yourself?
Original Italian mobster running it at Shea? Are you serious with that? If you’re going to call someone else a child, at least try to sound somewhat grownup yourself. You know?
It’s obvious that this is some kid who I have upset in a previous post and he has changed his handle to try and annoy me. He has made 5 post in his career all in response to me. Thus, he has no life and should not take up any more of either of ours. Thanks for the defense either way.
ITS A VERY LONG RACE.
yOUR MOVING AT THE VERY WRONG PLACE.
i SEEN BRENDA 143RD AND LENNOX…..
…GaVe her a sanchez….yes a dirty 1.
I aM 28 FoOL NoT 14…I CHiLL WiT RRAADDR VaN
Shaolin LoRD……those were my seats for the past 2 years when did you move there. serously.
Ok methead, describe the people who sit directly in front of us and describe the people who sit in the first row, after mezz box…..
he’s easy to understand, this is the pitcher he is, not the guy last night, but the guy that is up and down and has 3-4 good starts in a row and you think this is where he finally becomes a dominant starter, and then he throws a bunch of stinkers. He is a number4 pitcher in an ace’s body. he’ll never be more than that. I think baseball people are finally realizing that and I am relived that boras is a well you know because now we don’t have him locked up. I really don’t know what we’ll be able to trade him for.
A hole bunch of nothing. Thing is as much as we say he was an up and down pitcher he had a terrific year last year. Lead the team in ERA, K’s and tied in wins. I just think the pressure of a contract year has ruined him.
As I posted earlier, are there any teams looking for a salary dump? That’s the best we could hope for other than just holding him and waiting for draft picks.
I am pretty down on him at this exact moment, but I also realize that the guy can turn it around and have some strong starts in the coming months…
Fans on here are really starting to get to me because on the highs and the lows…the adoration for people when a guy has some great at-bats or outings, and the hatred for guys when they are in a rut.
Many people that are calling Ollie a dummy or idiot, were the people that wanted Heilman’s head, then loved him when he had four good outings, and are back calling for his head.
The same people who hated Willie, then the Mets won 5 of 7 and loved him…
The same people that said Reyes is done and lost and not mature etc etc…
Let’s give Olliver the All-Star Break please…the guy was more than solid last year and should have been the pitcher remembered for pitching us to the World Series if the bats didn’t choke.
Agree completely. Ollie has until the all-star break and at that point if he has not gotten any better you send him to AAA.
Bobkooler-
Agreed. I’ll say thought that we’d likely not be having this discussion if the team were, say, 33-23. Most of us longtime Mets fans rarely have high expectations coming into a season, yet a lot of us were stupid enough to get our hopes us this year. And now that we’ve clearly overrated ourselves, we’re directing undue vitriol at guys like OP.
I think the Mets will be sellers this year as they will be out of it fairly early. Sorry I’d like to believe but this team just doesn’t seem to ‘have it’.
do any body really think perez can get it together i say just cut ties and let him go in trade or waive him. the guy is a total wreck
Perez is one guy that we should trade within the division. He’d lose less games for us and win less games for our rivals. Atlanta and Philly need pitching right now, may be we could get a sweet deal from them…….a pack of smokes seems fair.
Seriously, if you were playing behind him last night, instead of fielding a grounder and throwing to first for the out……..wouldn’t you rather peg OP in the back of the head? Maybe it would fix his metal lapses………
There is no way you take the chance with Perez going in division. That guy would be lights out against us. You know the change of scenery would make him focuss more and he would be the 07 version all over again.
Yeah, you’re right.
I forgot how Glavine dominated his last outing against us.
How about Japan? They have smokes there too…….or maybe a cup or ramen noodles?
ollie is a complete headcase. .. his antics and god awful pitching are getting old very fast. oh, and i also wanted to slap the guy in the face when he sprinted off the field and jumped over the firstbase as if he struck out the side. YOU ONLY GOT ONE DAMN OUT. HANG YOUR HEAD IN SHAME YOU PIECE OF CRAP!!
I know I’ll get flamed for this but why not at least take a flyer on Freddy Garcia is Ollie continues to falter. I don’t think he’s a terrible option at this point but I also heard the Yanks and a few other teams might be interested.
Not ready until late August at the earliest.
You shouldn’t get flamed for that suggestion, it makes a lot of sense for us to bring in a guy like Garcia who when he’s healthy and ready to contribute is clutch and can eat innings. I’d definitely advocate bringing him in if he proves in coming weeks that he’ll be able to fully return from his surgery.
Also, due diligence dictates that the Mets ought to be looking at every available FA that could potentially help the team.
DL him when you bring Pedro back. He completely blew up the bull pen last night and with Pedro probably going 5 innings at most tonight, they will be taxed again. DL him for some mental health time. His trade value is zero, look forward to the draft pick when he is lost to free agency.
Actually, he didn’t blow up the bullpen because Vargas pitched an excellent game in long relief. Vargas really gave this team a lift night and his effort will help the Mets for this entire trip.
Excellent post and spot on. Vargas really helped ease the balance of this trip for the pen
What a great start to the road trip, 1/3 of an inning from your starter in the first game, this has the markings of a horrible road trip.
Let’s not get our panties in a bunch yet. its 1 game on a 7 game road trip against 2 lower tier teams. Did you think they were going 7-0 on this trip? I think we can all still hope for and be very happy with 4-3 on this trip.
I would think that 5-2 was at least the goal against these 2 bad teams.
fair enough, but we have to win tonight to erase the memory of that ‘effort.’ I hope wagner doled one out to Ollie in the clubhouse.
5-2 is alot to ask on a 7 Game road trip all the way to the west coast without any days off in between. What ever happened to the formula of playing .500 ball (or slightly better) on the road and taking care of business at home.
I just don’t think you can ever go into a west coast trip expecting to win 5 out of 7 no matter who you are playing.
While I agree over the course of the season .500 on the road is what you are looking for, however do you expect to be .500 in Chicago, St. Louis, Arizona (yeah I know we do but realistically), Atlanta, Philly? So yes you have to win most of your games against bad teams even on the road. The formula for success is even more that you go win .650 against the bad teams and .500 against the good.
Play .650 ball at home and .500 ball on the road and you wind up 24 games over .500. That’s close to clinching the division and certainly right in the thick of the wild card race.
How’s that Nady/Perez/Hernandez trade looking now? That’s why you can’t judge trades right away. Everyone thought Omar fleeced the Pirates but right now it looks like exactly the opposite. I’d like to see how many people would rather have Nady than Perez today.
I’ll keep on the side of Perez. You got a pitcher who won you 15 games last year and he is going through his worst stretch right now. It is like the people who judge Willie and the Mets last weekend but love them today. If Ollie goes out and throws a 1ER game this weekend he’ll be back in everyone’s good graces. #3 starters are harder to find than corner OFs. Case in point, our #4 and 5 starters the past 2 years and Ryan Church.
I’d say the chances of a 1ER game from this nut job is VERY slim.
Again, I think you send him to AAA if he has options but to your point he has 5 out of his 12 starts that he has allowed 2 earned runs or less.
I am with Ollie too….he beats the yankees regularly and I was at game 7 in ‘06….the final results sucked but Ollie was magic….heres hoping he can pull himself together…
Last season, the trade favored us. Ollie pitched generally well and Nady provided replacement-level production from a corner outfield spot.
This season, Nady has been excellent and Perez has been a train wreck.
So far, I’d call the trade even. Keep in mind that we also were able to draft Eddie Kunz with the compensatory pick for losing Hernandez- a player with excellent stuff that should be a solid reliever/closer in the near future.
At this point I’m not sure Armas isn’t a more consistent starting pitcher.
Quite frankly, the Mets don’t need an ace to fill the role that Ollie is supposed to fill. They just need someone who gives up about 3 runs a game.
and can last more than 4 innings.
Armas is an option worth exploring, but let’s keep in mind that he hasn’t had an ERA under 4.80 since 2003- and that came in just 30 IP.
Having watched his every start in Washington from 2005-2006, I can tell you that his consistency is about on par with Oliver Perez. One start he’ll go out and look like a legit number two starter, and then the next he looks like AAA fodder.
no point trading him for nothing, since they can get draft picks at year end.
But, enough teams are desperate for pitching help that someone will take a flyer on the guy. There are always the egotistical pitching coaches that assume they can straighten out whatever is wrong with a talented guy like Ollie.
So, instead of some other medioce FA to be, if they trade him, they need to get some near ML ready prospects, or at least ML guys that they wil control for a while.
And they can’t be packaging Ollie + multiple prospects for 1 SP. Not enough in the cupboard for that.
Now, if they could somehow flip Perez into a player like Morales from LAA, then we got something going!
Of course, with this guy, he could pitch a dominant game next time out (against SD, in Petco, how hard can that be!)\
I’m guessing that he will stay in the rotation being erratic for the rest of the year, they will offer him arb and hope for the picks. Of course, Omar could decide to radically makeover the team, and anything could happen.
Trade Heilman and Perez? Right now that is known in the trade as “selling low.” Probably get a shiny new bucket of balls……
Throw in a couple packs of bubble gum and it’s a deal!
Only Boras could negotiate the bucket of balls AND the packs of gum…………….
While you know I love Morales, we have to have a starter for the rotation in return for Perez. Obviously I would love to get a near ready prospect for him but that is not happening. No team is going to give that. It has to be either the Mets hold out and try and fix him AGAIN and get the picks or he is dumped to a team for a bad contract. If we go that route it has to be for a guy that can pitch next season as we would not get the picks. That would be a win now move for sure.
Best thing I think we can do with Perez is send him to the pen or to AAA. I don’t know if he has options left.
excellent point about the draft picks they would get when Perez declined arbitration.
If they do trade him, it has to be for a starter though as we cant have a rotation with Pelfrey, Vargas, and Armas Jr for the rest of the year and stay over .500
Burnett or Sabathia would be my only targets, otherwise you just suffer through the ride with Perez.
From what I understand Morales is a pretty highly regarded prospect, even though he’s being blocked I don’t think the angels would give him up for head-case pitcher.
Not for a headcase pitcher that is a FA and they have no room for in the rotation. As for Morales, time is running out for the Angels. The guy is getting up in age and has no position on the team. If I were them I would look into trading him this season as this may be their best chance at a WS this season. Don’t know what else they need, maybe relief pitching. I would obviously do Heilman for Morales and I think they would too but for some reason I think the Mets still consider him too valuable.
Thank God I’m having my cable installed today and got to miss yesterday’s game.
Save your money read a damn book!
Wow, Marty Noble did not have many nice things to say about Perez this morning.
nobody does. perez is the opposite of a winner.
At this point why not pull the old switch a roo. I would send Heilman and Perez down to AAA. (Assuming they both have options). Let them compete with Armas and Figgy for the starter role. Let Vargas continue to pitch in the rotation and if he falters then bring up the one doing the best.
Willie shouldnt be making comments like this in public. Perez has enough mental/emotional problems as it is
I thought that Willie was supposed to throw his players under the bus?
what was willie supposed to say? that was the worst performance we’ve seen since the game that shall not be mentioned.
This guy is doing his best to throw Willie and the Mets under the bus. Willie has every right to do what is necessary to make this team tougher and more able to compete. The “Nice Guy in the Press” act doesn’t win games for the Mets. Since Willie has been more open and honest in the press, many Mets players (the ones that really matter) appreciate him for that.
Anyone can blame Willie for every loss, but this one was all Ollie. The other night that one was all Aaron. If these guys don’t want to compete at the major league level, they shouldn’t.
Let me put it like this. I used to throw in the mid to upper 90s. I couldn’t even pitch on my High School team because I had a two cent head. Just because I had ability didn’t mean that I should have pitched in the big leagues. Major Leaguers need guts, fortitude, focus and intelligence to be big leaguers. There are plenty of guys who can go through the motions. Only a few have what it takes to play big league ball.
And then when Willie “stands by his guys” in public and doesn’t criticize them he gets bashed. He can’t win can he?
He didn’t insult the guy’s mom or something. He called a crap performance what it was.
Perez has now been called out twice after poor performances and considering how he looks like hes gonna cry sometimes when hes on the mound im guessing that this kind of public criticism is only gonna make him pitch worse. This whole team has underperformed all year so lets not blame it all on one guy. But dont get me wrong, I realize perez has been a joke this year.
I have pointed this out before, but I have seen no mention if it. In the third or 4th game of the season (I forget which) Perez was hit in the pitching hand with a line drive. He picked up the ball and got the out and continued, but he seemed to have lost his control. Ever since then he has been more erratic than usual.
I am willing to bet he has a minor injury in his hand, but due to the condition of the rotation he has decided not to mention it an try to help the team – which he obviously has not been doing.
When you rely on movement in your fastball, a biting slider, and that slow curve – a minor injury in your fingers or wrist can really make your pitches go from snap to weak turn. It will ruin your control and remove movement.
He needs to miss a few starts on the DL … I am willing to bet he comes back strong.
Did he also get hit in the heart and the balls and the guts? Because he’s got none of those either.
LOL
You know what? I never thought of that. Could be something there.
That could affect his velocity and definitely his command.
Hey,
What about the idea of trading Perez and someone else (Heilman would probably be too much) for Teixera over the All-Star break? Think about it; the Braves need young pitching, as their staff is old and falling apart, and the Mets [will] need a 1st baseman. It provides a problem with Delgado, but who really cares about him at this point?
At this point, Vargas has been just as effective as Perez has been. And **hopefully** Pedro will be back for a while, too.
It’s just a thought. Any comments?
Are the Braves trying to help the Mets win? I can’t see any other reason they would give up Teixiera for Perez and Heilman.
That’s a great post. Why on earth would the Braves trade for Perez? Then trade Tex too? What would the incentive be for the Braves? A 30 year old middle reliever that wants to be a starter? They would not even be shedding payroll.
Sorry, I won’t do it but your post is going to get flamed by someone.
If Atlanta is in a position to shed veterans like Teixeira, a bidding war will likely ensue and the winning team will surely offer a better package than Perez and Heilman. There are a lot of teams out there starved for power hitters, and he’ll be in quite high demand, I’d imagine.
Yeah. Especially “veterans” that happen to be 28-year-old switch hitters with a career OPS over .900 who average 35 HR and 110 RBI a year. You’re right, though, Perez and Heilman probably would be too much…
Wow.
Was there a miscommunication here? I think that Perez and Heilman wouldn’t even be close to enough to get Tex.
We’re in agreement. I was just emphasizing your point. I think the misleading thing was that I put veteran in quotes. I only did that because I don’t think of guys like Teixeira as veterans, but rather stars at the top of their game. Also, the “You’re right” comment was directed at the original post, not yours. Sorry for the confusion. Reading over it I can see how poorly it was constructed. My bad.
No worries. And it is a stretch calling Tex a veteran, since the word veteran tends to connote “old.”
Perez/Heilman for Teixiera idea is about the dumbest thing I’ve seen on this forum.
But about Perez…..he’s braindead. Something doesn’t work right in his head. He was a throw-in the last time he was traded and he’ll likely be again. This type of guy you must continue to give one year contracts to so he consistently has a reason to perform well.
Send him down to work on things because practically anyone that takes his spot right now can perform at least as well. The team is unwatchable when he picthes.
I doubt that a one year contract would provide him any extra motivation to maintain focus, seeing as this is his walk year and he’s been a disaster.
agreed. If Texiera was on say the Padres then MAYBE i can see it…MAYBEEEE…but the braves? come on
now im not saying a package of OP and Heilman is gonna get us Verlander and Inge, but SOMEONE will take a bite on those 2 guys, maybe a team with a strong pitching coach like the cards with Dave Duncan. They’re still kinda scratching their way to the wild card. Do they have a 1B prospect blocked cuz of pujols?
We’ve seen WEIRDER trades in the past, and 2 guys who have a ton of talent but are having crappy first half of the season? Both relatively young? Come on, some team fighting for a playoff birth will take a chance on them come july 31st.
You’d almost HAVE to sign freddy garcia though, as more insurance for a VERY shaky stafff after OP leaves the rotation…but hey, we need to replenish this farm system, and by God if every other team can do it, why can’t the mets???
If Teixeira were on the Padres AND had just lost an arm in a surfing accident, then maybe.
Hey, the Rangers need pitching, maybe Perez and Heilman could get us Josh Hamilton. Or call the Astros, maybe Berkman’s available. He’s a little older, though, so they’d have to throw in someone like Hunter Pence too, y’know, to be fair.
i clearly said MAYYYYYYBE…im not some dickhole fantasy met fan…i kow that they aint gettin a guy like texiera anytime soon…but i think there definitely is a team out there that woudl take them both…just gotta prepare urself for it to be ONE slightly MLB ready player and a couple good, but not GREAT prospects.
We probably could get by with big pelf and vargas in the rotation with pedro johan and maine (barring injuries) and muniz in the bullpen. It would be rough but come on, with the way we’re playing now would anyone really be SHOCKED if we miss the playoffs?
DOnt get me wrong, i got faith..but this team has showed NOTHING that we can turn it around.
On a positive note, i did make myself 5hundo betting against the mets. With the RIDICULOUS move to the 8pm game, i just knew we’d be jet lagged and get our tits lit
My point was that no team would trade Teixeira for Perez and Heilman, not even the Padres. If people really are desparate to trade the two of them, they have to realize that the best we’re gonna get back is an overpaid, underperforming veteran. Someone like Adrian Beltre. I think the better idea is to make both players “available” but stipulate that we’re happy to let them “work through their rough patches” on our own and we’d have to be “blown away” to trade them. Let the market reveal the price and then bargain up from there. Regardless, I don’t think a deal is likely (or advisable) before the All-Star break. There’s a lot of parity this year, so there should be a lot of people willing to overpay at the deadline. It’d be nice to be sellers in that market for once.
Garcia will not be ready until late August at best. As for Perez he has very little value because a playoff team is less likely to gamble on him and a nonplayoff team would not want him because he is a pending FA. Heilman is a 30 year old struggling middle reliever that started a few games.
At this point we are better off sending them both to AAA and let them both try and come back as a starter. Let Vargas and Pelfrey stay up for now and if one falters then bring up Armas, Figgy or one of the two lost boys.
How is that one year contract working for him this season? Actually I think maybe he pitches better when he is not worried about a contract? Who knows.
He should have signed a longer term deal but Boras is the agent and that wasn’t happening. I guess he is worried that he is only on a one year deal that will pay him more than most people make in several lifetimes, poor baby. I agree with you real, send him for a taste of Nola.
Hey Guys…He’re an idea…What about trading for Barry Zito?
At this point he basically has zero expectations for anything, bring him back with the jacket and have the giants pay part of the contract while trading him for OP.
Why would the Giants want Perez who is a free agent?
For them I think it’d be less about getting Perez and more about unloading Zito. I think the two sides would be too far off on how much salary should be paid by whom to get things done though.
I don’t think they would be. Zito is a great idea if you ask me. The Giants would pay for half his salary and still unload him. Also, OP would go off of the books for them at the end of the year and that would help them overall.
While it makes a ton of sense and I even suggested getting Zito earlier this season, there is no way the Giants do that. Do you realize how much 1/2 of his salary is? They are already the laughing stock because of the signing but at this point they have to just ride it out for a few years and hope they get 1 good year just to save face.
Can Zito’s problems be fixed through a simple reuniting with the Jacket? Last time I saw Zito, has fastball was sitting 83-85 and that once-awesome curve looked rather pedestrian. I suppose it could be mechanical, but I’m skeptical… That being said, if SF wanted to pick up 3/4 of his salary (LOL, I know), I’d do it!
I think we can do better (if we’re willing to be patient), but at least this is the right type of possible deal. I just don’t think the Giants would be willing to eat enough of that absurd contract. Thanks for thinking about things realistically, though. It’s refreshing.
Considering his decreased velocity I’m starting to wonder if he might be hurt? Besides in the head of course.
Was just about to post that. It’s strange to call this wishful thinking, but as Matt referenced, OP’s lost a good 8mph on his fastball in ALL of his last 3 starts. He’s hurt, or at least, we should Yankify him with a slight strained pull in the 25th hand bone.
By the way…I just knew OP was going to have another horrible night, and I think it’s time to really consider moving him, we’re not going to sign him in the offseason anyway…
For who? Who will take him?
I think his best shot maybe the ….. Yankee’s? Who would they have that we would want at all?
i am totally not opposed to seeing what the trade market is like on him…send him back to the pirates haha…but honestly though, we know ollie has had his flashes of brilliance, but he has to be more consistent and really isn’t going to be worth the big money he is going to seek at the end of the season, so it’s not a bad idea to entertain some trade ideas just to gauge his value
You know now that I think about it the Yankee’s maybe perfect. They need starters badly. They have a ton of offense and no pitching.
Maybe a trade of Heiman and Perez could get you Damon OR Abreu? Abreu’s contract runs out this season and Damon is uh Damon and the Yankee’s are still on the hook for 13 million with him.
Go ahead and post away……
The Yanks are always a possible dance partner. I think those are reasonable enough trades, but Damon and Abreu are both lefthanded. I think we could maximize returns by waiting and cashing in when teams start to panic at the trade deadline.
I don’t care about the LH part, expecially with Alou coming back.
Against a RH
Reyes, Damon, Wright, Beltran, Church, Delgado, Schnieder, Castillo
Against a LH
Reyes, Damon, Wright, Beltran, Church, Alou, Castro, Castillo
would look pretty darn good and Yes Damon can and has played 1B.
I am pretty fed up with Perez. I am not a particually objective person when it comes to Perez because I have never liked him. I cannot stand pitchers that don’t consistently throw strikes. I would rather have a pitcher with average stuff that works quickly than a roller coaster ride.
i think instead of filtering out swear words, this blog should filter out stupid trade proposals.
I have only seen really one and that one was a doosey. Perez and Heilman for Tex is very uh creative.
I still think that the Yankee’s may be the best fit for both Perez and Heilman. You know that the Yankee’s would unload Damon.
You’ll get your wish if you try to post a stupid trade proposal involving a certain Reds outfielder who’s closing in on 600 HRs.
What about the M’s if we take Bautistia or Washburn and Ibanez. It would clear a lot of salary for them and fill 2 holes for us. Granted that both of those pitchers are potentially worse than Perez.
No team is going to take Perez and trade anything valuable when they could just sign him next offseason.
I wouldn’t mind trading for Washburn… a Heiman for Washburn trade is not out of the question.
I would think that the M’s would want to take a flyer on Perez because he is cheap and young. Kind of a tryout for them. They did give Carlos Silva 12 a year long term.
I would still love to get Ibanez in the deal considering he plays LF and 1B.
If you trade for Ibanez you are going to have Delgado sulking on the bench. You don’t want Ibanez sitting either. If we do that we need to make a commitment to benching Delgado. I don’t think we are there yet.
However, this is a trade I can see the M’s doing. Another place is possibly the Reds. I can see Heilman playing into their plans more than OP though.
Ibanez would play for Alou against RH and Delgado against LH until the team is ready to cut ties with Delgado. Also, you have to assume that Alou will get injured again.
Right, Ibanez would platoon in LF/1B. Spell Church and Beltran when they needed it… I like the idea of Ibanez. Agreed though that Seattle wouldn’t want OP, since he’s essentially a rental and Seattle will likely be a seller come the deadline.
I love when people suggest trades that include all our scrubs for a quality pitcher or hitter. Maybe if we can package Perez and Heilman and Delgado and Matt the bat boy we can get Roy Halliday.
The only trade that mentions a scrub for a quality hitter is for Tex. Again some trades like that make sense. Why considering the Yankee’s problems would they not take a flyer on Perez and Heilman? Their rotation and bullpen stinks. They have plenty of offense and will not miss either Abreu or Damon.
The M’s are terrible and would have to be looking to shed payroll so you take a FA to be away as well as a guy with a bad contract.
Those are sensible trading partners for Perez.
To you, maybe, (and to me too), but I don’t think Hankenstein thinks their rotation is terrible, especially now that his boy Jah-bah is in the rotation.
Besides, Abreu and Damon are ideal Yankees. Old, overpaid, overrated, soft, and past their prime. God forbid either of those players donned Mets jerseys.
Perez for Nady….errrr
wish we had colon…
I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT METSBLOG HAS SOLD OUT!!!!
HOW CAN YOU PREVENT POSTS THAT MENTION CERTAIN SENSITIVE TERMS, LIKE MNGMT…
ISNT THAT CENSORSHIP CERRONE???
TOO MANY TIMES PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PREVENTED FROM POSTING THINGS BECAUSE OF CERTAIN KEY WORDS THAT YOU HAVE DEEMED MAY HURT YOUR CHANCES OF GETTING ON SNY..
THAT IS BS
Caps lock get stuck buddy?
You can always get around a block. There are reasons for some of them. Who knows why you can post Gr iffey? You just posted mgmt and all of us knew what you were saying. Get over it. If you don’t like HIS blog then start your own.
Wow this nut is right you can’t say manage ment
Again it’s just a strange program that blocks some random words too. Like C he ese and Gr iff ey.
i know, matt is allergic to ch eese and his ex girfriends name was gr iffey
Crap, I hope Cerrone doesn’t have to do a post about Gr iff ey having c h ee se w/ Mgt.
Until I read the comments here I hadn’t considered that Perez might be hurting. I hope he is, but I kind of doubt it. And, if he is, why doesn’t he tell someone? Is he afraid that he’ll hurt the team if he goes on the DL?
Anyway short of an injury explanation I think we should all just accept that Oliver Perez has not got the character to pitch in the major leagues. He cannot handle expectation. When nothing’s expected, he shines. When his teammates and manager and coaches (and the fans and the media) begin to expect (rather than hope) he fades. The pressure of expectation is too much for him.
On top of the expectations for this year, Perez, stupidly, put extra pressure on himself by not signing the deal on offer before the season. Someday he’ll end up somewhere else where expectations will be low and he’ll dazzle. For a while. And we’ll all lament the fact that the Mets traded/didn’t re-sign him, but the truth is Perez is done for the Mets. For a while.
By the way, if you check the Pirate blogs they’ve never doubted that they got the steal in that trade.
not a nut, just pointing out something that a lot of others mentioned..
the real nuts are the ones saying, cut delgado, trade perez for abreu, trade for matt holliday and brian fuentes..
and believe me, there are plenty of them out there, who seem to think that real baseball is just like fantasy baseball..
Hey Booooooo, unless the Yankee’s want to resign Abreu then why would they not consider trading him for a starter AND a reliever? Not saying it would be Perez but they won’t get much for him in a FA year.
Anyone know what numbers Perez has to post to be considered a Type A FA?
I assume we aren’t coughing up Boras money and he may not get close to that if he keeps up. I’d just like him hit type A so we get a 1st Rd and a sandwich pick.
I’ve never seen the formula for determining Type A/B FAs. I’m almost certain that it’s never been made publicly available. I do believe that it is based off of the player’s past three seasons, so a good year out of Ollie should push him up to Type A status.
IIRC, once the Elias Sports Bureau issues a grade to a player (1-100), the top 20% of FAs at any given position would be Type A, and 21%-40% are given Type B.
Perez has had two good years. Look at his record:
GS W L ERA
2002 SD 15 4 5 3.50
2003 SD 19 4 7 5.38
2003 PIT 5 0 3 5.87
2004 PIT 30 12 10 2.98
2005 PIT 20 7 5 5.85
2006 PIT 15 2 10 6.63
2006 NYM 1 3 6.38
2007 NYM 29 15 10 3.56
2008NYM 12 4 4 5.70
the way oliver is pitching, omar definitely should and most likely is taking a long look at freddy garcia. seeing how the division is taking shape, the mets can’t afford to carry to carry two question marks in their rotation. how sad is it that i have more confidence in pelfrey on the mound than opie? and i loved oliver!
either way he’s not coming back unless he does a 180 in the second half.
I’m not sure if I can watch Ollie pitch another game. I have banned my wife and four boys from mentioning OP’s name in our house. He is officially barred!
As posted above, it appears to be a character issue. He did not even look slightly concerned when he came out. He had that “oh well” look on his face that almost caused me to throw my TV out the window. I’m not saying throw your mitt or kick a water cooler but man, how about a hint of dissapointment?
I am very protective about the momentum that we genrated over the last seven games and that effort was disgusting.
I also thought we had numerous chances to come back but it wasn’t ment to be.
Yeah, he almost had that look that Glavine had the final game last year.
Ollie Learned about kicking things after a bad performance … See 2005 in Pittsburgh when he kicked a laundry cart and went on the DL. He got yelled at for caring too much then!
Someone already posted it, but I was going to suggest the Yankees …
Perez is a young lefty and has dominated the Yankees. The Steinbrenner clan has always gone after players that dominated their team. The whole if you can’t beat ‘em – buy em philosophy
Se: Sidney Ponson, Jaret Wright, Carl Pavano, Randy Johnson, Danny Tartabull, Jess Barfield, Scott Erikson, Ken Phelps, Josh Phelps … the list could go on forever but those are the first that come to mind …
Ollie is way to inconsistent for us too ever sign him to a long term deal, but I actually think we should hold on to him. He isn’t incapable of contributing at all this year, plus I would like to offer him a straight arbitration deal after this year and hope someone grabs him up, so we can stockpile some more draft picks, and worst come worst, signing him another 1 year deal wouldn’t be THAT bad…..maybe…probably…hopefully.
We can offer him arbitration without having to worry that he’ll accept it. Boras won’t let him. No matter how bad of a season he has, Boras will insist he’s an ace. Thats how he works-he just refuses to back down until some team sees things his way, or more recently, until they his player can’t even find a Major League deal. The one thing I’d worry about is if a team like Kansas CIty or Texas signs him. The first 15 picks in the draft are protected (Philly only got a supplemental pick for Aaron Rowand because he went to the Giants, for example, Where as the Mets got the Braves 18th pick plus a supplemental for Glavine). The rule is designed to protect the the worst teams and further tax the richer teams. It’s risky to assume you’ll get both picks for him because of this rule, and I’d also worry about him losing type A staus by the end of this year. I say bargain like you have the two picks in hand and take the first deal you believe would help you more than the draft. If Perez were on the block I still believe multiple teams would be in on him. It would actually be kind of a big deal. It’s the type of move the Mets never make. They never seem to trade an established player (they do just the opposite with young players) until they and the rest of the League are satisfied he has no value at all.
enjoy that paycheck this year Ollie..
you won’t be seeing that next year!
I can always see O-Perez’s age standout when he throws in games such as last-nite. The youth has not been helping.
O-Perez looks like a good example of a player who doesn’t necessarily seem to be in it for the money. Moreover, his childish attitude when things get tough tells me that he doesn’t seem to care about the moment.
I’m obviously assuming a bit — which I do my best to steer clear of — however, I’m a pretty good when it comes time to view non-verbal ways, and the more obvious body language.
O-Perez has terrible body language when things get tough.
First off, of course the Mets sent Perez ahead before Sunday’s nights game, you could of sent him three days ahead and it wouldn’t of mattered. The bottom line the guy SUCKS, I’ve never seen a pitcher have something go wrong when’s he pitching and get more unrattled than him. Or he just comes out last night and throws batting practice to the Giants. If they decide to trade him great, if not, at the end of the year I say GOOD RIDDANCE and take the draft picks you get for him. Let him go get his 55 million from the the Texas Rangers or whatever team is stupid enough to give it to him because he’s not a big game pitcher. Oh yea by the way, I’ve never heard of a pitcher who can’t keep the same consistent arm angle more than this guy, that’s probably what the problem is.
Honestly both Pelf and Ollie are Jekyll and Hyde or two-face. One day they are good and next they are not. Therefore, we cannot afford have two pitcher that is similar. We should send Ollie or trade him and see what Pelf.
I can see the Mets pulling a Yankee move and putting Perez on the DL for some mystery ailment, slotting Vargas back into the rotation and/or maybe bringing Figgy back.
If you needed any more proof of how loud your body language can speak – please take a look at today’s sports cover-page of Newsday, and you’ll see exactly what I’m talking about in regards to O-Perez.
If you needed any more proof of how loud your body language can speak – please take a look at today’s sports cover-page of Newsday, and you’ll see exactly what I’m talking about in regards to O-Perez.
O-Perez looks like he’s a short minute away from shedding some tears on Delgado’s shoulder. Coach Peterson saved himself a mound visit that may have concluded with a hug.
The sad part of all this is that OP has real talent in there some where. When he’s on, the ball just breaks like a video game. So he does have the stuff but some where between the arm and the brain something is disconnected. I do agree with all the thoughts of sending him down for two or three starts, if possible. Maybe in a less stressful enviroment OP can focus on the mechanics and find himself. As talented as he may be I would never re-sign him though. And as for the trade talks why would anyone want to trade their headache for someone else’s, especially in a walk year. Best the team could hope for is that OP gets it together in AAA.
One last thing in watching his last few outings his delivery is all over the place. It seems as if he’s working on his mechanics with each pitch as his pitching. I wonder what kind of work/therapy he has been receiving from Peterson. I’m almost getting the impression that Peterson hasn’t been working with OP. I dunno know but OP is way off.
Well we’ve heard from Willie and Peterson this season that Ollie’s problem is that he can’t keep a consistent arm slot, so I doubt that Peterson would actually be instructing Ollie to tinker with that mechanical aspect.
I think Ollie just looks forward to those little visits from The Jacket — the touch of Peterson’s hand on his shoulder — pure goosebumps, I tells ya!
but not as much as he likes it when Willie pats his butt !
perez, heilman, tatis, and dan murphy for either:
CC Sabathia
Matt Holliday
AJ Burnett
Jason Bay
maybe David Ortiz (go to mlbtraderumors.com)
give me more names or opinions
Matt: “knowing this team intends to shake things up a bit before the deadline”
I didn’t know that. Thanks!
Oliver Perez: Thinking Change-Up
O-Perez definitely doesn’t make it easy for fans to stand by his side. If either a player or coach is not within site of Perez in the dugout, than it’s probably very safe to say that he doesn’t deserve fan support.
I’m without a doubt confident in his potential to be a consistent, ERA-friendly winner, so I remain along side other Mets fans who can only hope for his mind to get right.
The poor body-language, slumping shoulders, and miserable control, have all blended together and formed a win/loss column which is leaning quite heavily to the right.
I do feel confident that Pedro’s return will make a positive difference other than when he takes the mound. Moreover, his lead-by-example, relaxed, and confident demeanor should cause a domino effect throughout the bullpen and dugout. We have to believe that O-Perez looks-up to Pedro and Johan, thus, I’d like to trust how it’s only natural for Perez to want and perform admirably in-front of them. Nobody wants to let down their teacher/leader, so let’s hope I’m right about O-Perez.
In comparison – I used to practice martial arts when I actually felt in shape a few-years back, and I clearly recall my desire to consistently win approval from the Master (also called Sensei in certain martial arts forms). Furthermore, I wanted to be the best and prove to myself that I could accomplish things that I never thought were possible.
Additionally, I vividly remember the positive feeling that I received each time the Master showed signs of approval, respect, trust, and how I noticed the times he was proud of me. I did it for myself – and I did it to make my teacher proud of me.
I hope the young players can focus on learning from their teachers, while respecting them to a level of wanting to please by way of positive production. Let’s see if O-Perez can show signs of focus, on-the-mound leadership, and commitment.
Comments on this entry are closed.