Comments on: Opinion: I Miss The “Old” Days http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/ Latest Mets News, Links, Rumors and Opinion Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:22:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Regis Courtemanche http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-207096 Regis Courtemanche Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:42:43 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-207096 That era just reminds me of how much less stressed out I was when watching the Mets and although I seem to have done so, I didn't mean to single out the '91 team per se. True I was only about 13 at the time, but I expected less and it was easier on my psyche. That era just reminds me of how much less stressed out I was when watching the Mets and although I seem to have done so, I didn’t mean to single out the ’91 team per se. True I was only about 13 at the time, but I expected less and it was easier on my psyche.

]]> By: dykstraw II http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-207076 dykstraw II Mon, 09 Jun 2008 22:17:56 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-207076 yeah, i'm lost here regis, 1991 brought high expectations and actually a pretty good team up until right above the all-star break. i actually remember listening to a sweep at the hands of the pirates that july and even as a kid who had never followed a bad team, i knew the jig was up. that's how i feel now, actually. yeah, i’m lost here regis, 1991 brought high expectations and actually a pretty good team up until right above the all-star break.

i actually remember listening to a sweep at the hands of the pirates that july and even as a kid who had never followed a bad team, i knew the jig was up.

that’s how i feel now, actually.

]]> By: rsman http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-207063 rsman Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:52:42 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-207063 Would it have been as 'pleasurable' to you to watch Hernandez aquisition or Straw's rookie season if they had never won in 86? I doubt it. With out WINNING in 86 the Stache would not be even close to the icon he is for the Mets now and Straw wouldnt be loved for helping the Mets WIN a ring in 86 but for how great he could have been if he wasn't a complete @$$-hole. Games should be fun, sure, regardless of winning and losing you should have fun with your kids at the game and generally enjoy them. However there is a reason you could get prime seating minutes before game time. Because people don't like losing, they dont like going to a game where a team is expected to lose...people love winning. Same goes for the underdog theory. People don't remember underdogs unless they win! People remember the US win over Russia in the olympics and Villanova in the NCAA tourny. But 5 years from now noone will remember the rockies underdog run to the WS or George Mason's run to the Final 4 (I bet most people already forgot them). Winning isn't everything. Its the only thing. Would it have been as ‘pleasurable’ to you to watch Hernandez aquisition or Straw’s rookie season if they had never won in 86? I doubt it. With out WINNING in 86 the Stache would not be even close to the icon he is for the Mets now and Straw wouldnt be loved for helping the Mets WIN a ring in 86 but for how great he could have been if he wasn’t a complete @$$-hole. Games should be fun, sure, regardless of winning and losing you should have fun with your kids at the game and generally enjoy them. However there is a reason you could get prime seating minutes before game time. Because people don’t like losing, they dont like going to a game where a team is expected to lose…people love winning.

Same goes for the underdog theory. People don’t remember underdogs unless they win! People remember the US win over Russia in the olympics and Villanova in the NCAA tourny. But 5 years from now noone will remember the rockies underdog run to the WS or George Mason’s run to the Final 4 (I bet most people already forgot them). Winning isn’t everything. Its the only thing.

]]> By: Tidewater http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-207059 Tidewater Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:47:36 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-207059 Carter was most definitely traded because the Expos didn't want to pay him. If you scroll to my original post I said that both Keith and Kid didn't feel like mercenaries to me. I ceded the point because Carter probably was closer to that than any other. Certainly Keith was not. Carter was most definitely traded because the Expos didn’t want to pay him. If you scroll to my original post I said that both Keith and Kid didn’t feel like mercenaries to me. I ceded the point because Carter probably was closer to that than any other. Certainly Keith was not.

]]> By: Tidewater http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-207056 Tidewater Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:44:35 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-207056 There were fewer ways to get to the postseason those days, so finishing second and out of the playoffs was much more easily accepted. The 87 team had 10 pitchers on the DL!!!! So fans tempered their expectations a bit. 88 was frustrating, but they did make the postseason. Part of all this too is that the Yankees were awful then so the city belonged to the Mets win or lose. Also the run by the Yankees in the late 90s gave fans of both teams these unrealistic expectations of "winning it all." Lastly, the teams in 87 and 88 were just far more interesting to watch. There was a TON of personality on those clubs. There were fewer ways to get to the postseason those days, so finishing second and out of the playoffs was much more easily accepted. The 87 team had 10 pitchers on the DL!!!! So fans tempered their expectations a bit. 88 was frustrating, but they did make the postseason.

Part of all this too is that the Yankees were awful then so the city belonged to the Mets win or lose.

Also the run by the Yankees in the late 90s gave fans of both teams these unrealistic expectations of “winning it all.”

Lastly, the teams in 87 and 88 were just far more interesting to watch. There was a TON of personality on those clubs.

]]> By: Tidewater http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-207053 Tidewater Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:39:17 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-207053 "Did Willie decide to keep Delgado and Alou around?" Complain about keeping Alou around if you want, but Delgado is under contract. He has to be kept around or paid an enormous amount of money to not play. I know it's frustrating but you simply cannot blame Omar for Delgado's current state of play. “Did Willie decide to keep Delgado and Alou around?”

Complain about keeping Alou around if you want, but Delgado is under contract. He has to be kept around or paid an enormous amount of money to not play.

I know it’s frustrating but you simply cannot blame Omar for Delgado’s current state of play.

]]> By: Sasseroni http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-207024 Sasseroni Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:05:05 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-207024 It's easy for a GM to toss money at successful veterans when their boss has deep pockets. ANY GM in Omar's position could have signed Wags, Beltran, Alou and Pedro. It's the small deals that make a GM, and Omar has generally failed in those, with guys like Brian Bannister, Heath Bell, Royce Ring, Matt Lindstrom and how many more out there holding their teams pens together. Oliver Perez had one nice season, other than that he's been a horse apple generally. D- Sanchez was nice in 06, but he did nothing last year (literally) and he's been really inconsistent in his comeback. Not sure I'd call that a great success, but since Seo did nothing afterwards, you can give Omar a C+ on that one. Church and Schneider are good guys, but Schneider has nothing to give with the bat and his prowess behind the plate hasn't done much for the club over what LoDuca did here, and Church probably won't be playing the full season now nor were they running off with the division with him healthy. B- at best The Delgado deal sent Jacobs to the Marlins.....he's sure look sweet hitting 5th for the Mets these days, eh? Trading a decent power hitting 1B for an older one just because he speaks Spanish isn't good play. At this rate, it's an F The only deal I give Omar credit for was the Benson-Maine trade. That's the only place he's really hustled someone. It's a shame that he's given so much credit for that one instead of what should be said: that the O's GM was even worse. A It’s easy for a GM to toss money at successful veterans when their boss has deep pockets. ANY GM in Omar’s position could have signed Wags, Beltran, Alou and Pedro. It’s the small deals that make a GM, and Omar has generally failed in those, with guys like Brian Bannister, Heath Bell, Royce Ring, Matt Lindstrom and how many more out there holding their teams pens together.

Oliver Perez had one nice season, other than that he’s been a horse apple generally. D-

Sanchez was nice in 06, but he did nothing last year (literally) and he’s been really inconsistent in his comeback. Not sure I’d call that a great success, but since Seo did nothing afterwards, you can give Omar a C+ on that one.

Church and Schneider are good guys, but Schneider has nothing to give with the bat and his prowess behind the plate hasn’t done much for the club over what LoDuca did here, and Church probably won’t be playing the full season now nor were they running off with the division with him healthy. B- at best

The Delgado deal sent Jacobs to the Marlins…..he’s sure look sweet hitting 5th for the Mets these days, eh? Trading a decent power hitting 1B for an older one just because he speaks Spanish isn’t good play. At this rate, it’s an F

The only deal I give Omar credit for was the Benson-Maine trade. That’s the only place he’s really hustled someone. It’s a shame that he’s given so much credit for that one instead of what should be said: that the O’s GM was even worse. A

]]> By: MH http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-206944 MH Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:04:14 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-206944 @EV---Injury is not an excuse, it's a fact. ...Are Church and Alou and Pedro bit players...? You don't think their presence and performance makes a difference in the overall performance of this team? Meanwhile, our projected bench was Pagan (how many games has he missed after having STARTED how many games?), Endy ( also injured early on), Easley (didn't he miss several games?) and Marlon Anderson (when did he last play?), and I believe Valentin (not in a game yet) as well....That too has been depleted because of injuries and because bench players are starting, forcing call-ups or forcing Willie to manage short-handed time and time again....Injuries as excuses? That's what high school coaches tell their kids to make sure they don't think they've lost before playing the game...These injuires account for much of the inconsistency. They also make it so players like Wright and Reyes and Beltran can't take a day off because the team needs them too much...and it makes it so the team hesitates to put Church on the DL ,as they should have, because they are already short handed. @EV—Injury is not an excuse, it’s a fact. …Are Church and Alou and Pedro bit players…? You don’t think their presence and performance makes a difference in the overall performance of this team? Meanwhile, our projected bench was Pagan (how many games has he missed after having STARTED how many games?), Endy ( also injured early on), Easley (didn’t he miss several games?) and Marlon Anderson (when did he last play?), and I believe Valentin (not in a game yet) as well….That too has been depleted because of injuries and because bench players are starting, forcing call-ups or forcing Willie to manage short-handed time and time again….Injuries as excuses? That’s what high school coaches tell their kids to make sure they don’t think they’ve lost before playing the game…These injuires account for much of the inconsistency. They also make it so players like Wright and Reyes and Beltran can’t take a day off because the team needs them too much…and it makes it so the team hesitates to put Church on the DL ,as they should have, because they are already short handed.

]]> By: zer09 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-206911 zer09 Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:45:58 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-206911 In '91, tickets were $10 and parking was $4. You're supposed to get what you pay for, that simple. In ’91, tickets were $10 and parking was $4. You’re supposed to get what you pay for, that simple.

]]> By: RockfordMetsFan http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-206894 RockfordMetsFan Mon, 09 Jun 2008 19:39:54 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/opinion-i-miss-the-old-days/#comment-206894 And their payroll in 1997 was only 15th or 17th overall depending on what records you use. And their payroll in 1997 was only 15th or 17th overall depending on what records you use.

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