Comments on: Read: The Cliff Floyd Factor http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/ MetsBlog.com features the latest Mets rumors, player movement, and news circulating around the Internet, as well as Mets related insights and opinions by Matthew Cerrone and his team of guest bloggers. Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:48:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: UpperDeckDweller http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207368 UpperDeckDweller Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:23:12 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207368 Maybe if his name was Cliff Fernandez or Feliciano, etc, Minaya would have signed him to a 4 year 25 million dollar contract. . . or does he need to have bad knees too? Maybe if his name was Cliff Fernandez or Feliciano, etc, Minaya would have signed him to a 4 year 25 million dollar contract. . . or does he need to have bad knees too?

]]> By: ebfnyc http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207334 ebfnyc Tue, 10 Jun 2008 07:00:24 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207334 Why do people think managers don't need previous experience? Keith Hernadez on SNY said, " the manager sets it up and the players make it happen." Besides, the Mets would need a player with the charisma of Beltran or Robinson G. Cancel to take over. Why do people think managers don’t need previous experience? Keith Hernadez on SNY said, ” the manager sets it up and the players make it happen.”

Besides, the Mets would need a player with the charisma of Beltran or Robinson G. Cancel to take over.

]]> By: ebfnyc http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207333 ebfnyc Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:55:59 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207333 There is no light at the end of the tunnel if you're headed to New Jersey. I'm pretty sure Cliff doesn't have any dealings there. Cliff is the veteran presence on an immature team with immense pitching talent. There is no light at the end of the tunnel if you’re headed to New Jersey. I’m pretty sure Cliff doesn’t have any dealings there. Cliff is the veteran presence on an immature team with immense pitching talent.

]]> By: breadclock http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207326 breadclock Tue, 10 Jun 2008 05:22:53 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207326 Cliffy "no light at the end of the tunnel" Floyd's impact as an effervescent guy in the Mets clubhouse is ridiculous. More accurately, he was a younger version of Moises Alou without the peeing on his hands, but with all the other assorted damaged body parts. However no one can doubt that he and LoDuca sure knew how to show David Wright the time of his young life out on the social scene. Cliffy “no light at the end of the tunnel” Floyd’s impact as an effervescent guy in the Mets clubhouse is ridiculous. More accurately, he was a younger version of Moises Alou without the peeing on his hands, but with all the other assorted damaged body parts. However no one can doubt that he and LoDuca sure knew how to show David Wright the time of his young life out on the social scene.

]]> By: PhillR http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207286 PhillR Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:12:33 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207286 I'm sorry but according to FSMism, if you don't use a cutlass you aren't a pirate. End of discussion. I’m sorry but according to FSMism, if you don’t use a cutlass you aren’t a pirate. End of discussion.

]]> By: repeal the DH http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207284 repeal the DH Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:10:25 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207284 first i hear perez sucks because pedro wasn't around all season to hold his hand. then i hear reyes is off to a bad start because valentin wasn't around to give him his milk and cookies and tuck him in at night. now david wright needs "uncle cliff" back. maybe they can put him in charge of waking his teammates up so they can get to the game on time. the real problem with most of the players on this team is that they are being coddled. how many fans think castillo should have been benched for doggin it on that ground ball the other night? just like manuel did to rollins last week... how many think castro should not only be fined but suspended(W/O PAY!!!!)? both instances are inexcusable and should be severely punished. examples have to be made of certain players and certain actions. the problem with willie isn't his managing abilities or baseball knowledge. his biggest problem is that he's too nice a guy. i know it's not his personality but you don't need to act like a raving maniac in order to discipline your team. bobby cox is a perfect example of that and all of his players respect him and as a result always perform for him and don't embarrass the team. sometimes adults behave like children so they have to be treated like such and receive the appropriate punishment. then they have to learn their lesson like the men they're supposed to be and make sure it doesn't happen again. willie does nothing but undermine his own authority when he neglects the disciplinary part of managing. that's when players lose respect and start "tuning out." this team doesn't need cliff floyd or anyone else. it just needs a little tough live every now and then. only then will the pride and commitment be restored and only then can we start winning again... first i hear perez sucks because pedro wasn’t around all season to hold his hand. then i hear reyes is off to a bad start because valentin wasn’t around to give him his milk and cookies and tuck him in at night. now david wright needs “uncle cliff” back. maybe they can put him in charge of waking his teammates up so they can get to the game on time.

the real problem with most of the players on this team is that they are being coddled. how many fans think castillo should have been benched for doggin it on that ground ball the other night? just like manuel did to rollins last week… how many think castro should not only be fined but suspended(W/O PAY!!!!)? both instances are inexcusable and should be severely punished. examples have to be made of certain players and certain actions.

the problem with willie isn’t his managing abilities or baseball knowledge. his biggest problem is that he’s too nice a guy. i know it’s not his personality but you don’t need to act like a raving maniac in order to discipline your team. bobby cox is a perfect example of that and all of his players respect him and as a result always perform for him and don’t embarrass the team.

sometimes adults behave like children so they have to be treated like such and receive the appropriate punishment. then they have to learn their lesson like the men they’re supposed to be and make sure it doesn’t happen again. willie does nothing but undermine his own authority when he neglects the disciplinary part of managing. that’s when players lose respect and start “tuning out.” this team doesn’t need cliff floyd or anyone else. it just needs a little tough live every now and then. only then will the pride and commitment be restored and only then can we start winning again…

]]> By: Mustang1282 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207276 Mustang1282 Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:59:02 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207276 Remember when he went to the Expos? And then they moved out of the country! Remember when he went to the Expos? And then they moved out of the country!

]]> By: Chris in Japan http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207262 Chris in Japan Tue, 10 Jun 2008 02:33:19 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207262 I think it's so interesting that though none of us has ever stepped foot inside the Mets' clubhouse, we all sense a lack of leadership on this team. Though I would never say Cliff is the missing link, most of us would acknowledge that we need not just an outfield bat but a guy like him who can provide leadership and generate more positive energy in the clubhouse. Would anybody out there dispute that? I think Cameron, though he wasn't with the Mets as long as Cliff, also brought a lot of positive energy to the clubhouse. Those two were practically best friends, from what I understood. Is there anybody out there we could get via trade who could provide the kind of leadership and energy that Cliff had? What I wouldn't give to have 35-year-old Rusty Staub on the Mets' bench now! I think it’s so interesting that though none of us has ever stepped foot inside the Mets’ clubhouse, we all sense a lack of leadership on this team. Though I would never say Cliff is the missing link, most of us would acknowledge that we need not just an outfield bat but a guy like him who can provide leadership and generate more positive energy in the clubhouse.

Would anybody out there dispute that?

I think Cameron, though he wasn’t with the Mets as long as Cliff, also brought a lot of positive energy to the clubhouse. Those two were practically best friends, from what I understood.

Is there anybody out there we could get via trade who could provide the kind of leadership and energy that Cliff had?

What I wouldn’t give to have 35-year-old Rusty Staub on the Mets’ bench now!

]]> By: jimyager http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207166 jimyager Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:16:41 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207166 OK, here's the thing. We all love the METS and after 2006 we are wanted and thought that 2007 would be the year, it was not. Now in 2008 we still want it and we look at the team with blinders on. We dont see t he problems and holes we ignore them and think that faith and hope is enough to win, ITS NOT. This is a 500 team, thats all folks, nothing more and nothing less. We still have a few good games left in us and some great come from behind wins that will make us all remember that 2006 feeling, for a moment. But, when the season is over we will be a 500 team in the middle of the pack. I like to think of 2001. We got hot and played great at the end, but, fell short after giving it a run. That is what we will do in 2008. We will hang back and then catch fire and all our hopes will soar and we will all believe that this is our year and then, back down to earth. Im OK with that. It was OK for all the other years as a MET fans, so why should I expect anything other than that now? Lets have fun watch the games and be happy that baseball is back. We can cheer and Boo and have fun and know that in the end October is the end for us. OK, here’s the thing. We all love the METS and after 2006 we are wanted and thought that 2007 would be the year, it was not. Now in 2008 we still want it and we look at the team with blinders on. We dont see t he problems and holes we ignore them and think that faith and hope is enough to win, ITS NOT. This is a 500 team, thats all folks, nothing more and nothing less. We still have a few good games left in us and some great come from behind wins that will make us all remember that 2006 feeling, for a moment. But, when the season is over we will be a 500 team in the middle of the pack. I like to think of 2001. We got hot and played great at the end, but, fell short after giving it a run. That is what we will do in 2008. We will hang back and then catch fire and all our hopes will soar and we will all believe that this is our year and then, back down to earth. Im OK with that. It was OK for all the other years as a MET fans, so why should I expect anything other than that now? Lets have fun watch the games and be happy that baseball is back. We can cheer and Boo and have fun and know that in the end October is the end for us.

]]> By: Tim in LA http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207147 Tim in LA Mon, 09 Jun 2008 23:54:13 +0000 http://www.metsblog.com/2008/06/09/read-the-cliff-floyd-factor/#comment-207147 I've been saying this since he left. Uncle Cliff was hugely important as a team leader. I’ve been saying this since he left. Uncle Cliff was hugely important as a team leader.

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